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Title: Best way to descend in a B29.
Post by: Tupac on February 24, 2011, 08:25:45 PM
I found the best (and fastest) way to descend in B29s.

Set your climb speed to 160 and cut the engines, them click on autoclimb, and then just drop your gear and full flaps.

Depending on loadout you should get -3,000 to -4000 fpm rate of descent. You don't have to worry about losing control surfaces or anything.


Title: Re: Best way to descend in a B29.
Post by: MarineUS on February 24, 2011, 08:50:50 PM
 :bolt:
*offline mode*
Title: Re: Best way to descend in a B29.
Post by: Tupac on February 24, 2011, 08:53:43 PM
:bolt:
*offline mode*

What does that mean?
Title: Re: Best way to descend in a B29.
Post by: MarineUS on February 24, 2011, 08:55:48 PM
gonna go test it in offline mode :P

(when I get the time)
Title: Re: Best way to descend in a B29.
Post by: L0nGb0w on February 24, 2011, 08:55:55 PM
will you descend faster if you set the .speed higher, like 190 or 200?  
Title: Re: Best way to descend in a B29.
Post by: CAP1 on February 24, 2011, 09:26:42 PM
has anyone just tried doing a forward slip yet?
Title: Re: Best way to descend in a B29.
Post by: MachFly on February 24, 2011, 09:28:35 PM
you can decent up to 300mph safely
Title: Re: Best way to descend in a B29.
Post by: Beefcake on February 24, 2011, 09:37:34 PM
Best way to descend in ANY bomber.

Step 1: Open up the chat buffer and type .speed 200

Step 2: Cut your throttles, watch your speedometer and wait for it to get near 200mph.

Step 3: Engage Auto Speed (Alt X)

Step 4: Enjoy your nice controlled decent.

Title: Re: Best way to descend in a B29.
Post by: Tupac on February 24, 2011, 09:42:54 PM
I use 160 because you get an extra 200 fpm descent with your gear down, and I've sheered it off using the default speed of 190.
Title: Re: Best way to descend in a B29.
Post by: GNucks on February 24, 2011, 10:45:32 PM
Never thought of using my gear early just to create more drag. Gonna' be lowering them anyway, might as well get a steeper decent while I'm at it. Thanks, dude.
Title: Re: Best way to descend in a B29.
Post by: Beefcake on February 24, 2011, 10:46:02 PM
I use 160 because you get an extra 200 fpm descent with your gear down, and I've sheered it off using the default speed of 190.

I normally leave the gear it up, but whatever works. I guess it doesn't really matter as long as you get on the ground safely.  :)

NOTE: Don't forget about opening your bomb bay doors, they create more drag as well.
Title: Re: Best way to descend in a B29.
Post by: JOACH1M on February 24, 2011, 10:49:56 PM
I cut throttle open doors and sit on the rudder...
Title: Re: Best way to descend in a B29.
Post by: M0nkey_Man on February 24, 2011, 10:53:28 PM
meet me and my 38 and youll be on the ground pretty fast :D :cheers:
Title: Re: Best way to descend in a B29.
Post by: MachFly on February 24, 2011, 11:58:46 PM
I can't believe this. You people are so afraid to loose your B29, that you climb so high, and then you have a problem descending.  :rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: Best way to descend in a B29.
Post by: Tupac on February 25, 2011, 12:04:09 AM
I can't believe this. You people are so afraid to loose your B29, that you climb so high, and then you have a problem descending.  :rofl :rofl :rofl

The control surfaces separate from the airplane at about 370 IAS

You can get them knocked off going from 5k to the deck.
Title: Re: Best way to descend in a B29.
Post by: 321BAR on February 25, 2011, 12:50:01 AM
I can't believe this. You people are so afraid to loose your B29, that you climb so high, and then you have a problem descending.  :rofl :rofl :rofl
The B29 is fragile in maneuvers and speed.

Personally i just hammerhead it then pull up too hard to rip my wings off!. then drop my payload and hit the tarmac of the enemy base :D
Title: Re: Best way to descend in a B29.
Post by: Ack-Ack on February 25, 2011, 01:09:23 AM
I found the best (and fastest) way to descend in B29s.

Set your climb speed to 160 and cut the engines, them click on autoclimb, and then just drop your gear and full flaps.

Depending on loadout you should get -3,000 to -4000 fpm rate of descent. You don't have to worry about losing control surfaces or anything.




Or you can do what Gordon Bennet Robertson Jr., did on his first B-29 flight over Tokyo when his B-29 hit a powerful thermal updraft from the fires that rolled his plane (flying at 5,000ft) inverted.  He did a Split-S to recover, exceeding 400mph and had to pull into a zoom climb to burn energy after he pulled out of the Split-S.

ack-ack
Title: Re: Best way to descend in a B29.
Post by: Ack-Ack on February 25, 2011, 01:10:42 AM
I can't believe this. You people are so afraid to loose your B29, that you climb so high, and then you have a problem descending.  :rofl :rofl :rofl

I know, especially when in real life B-29 pilots were bombing Tokyo from as low as 5,000ft. 

ack-ack
Title: Re: Best way to descend in a B29.
Post by: MachFly on February 25, 2011, 01:11:43 AM
The control surfaces separate from the airplane at about 370 IAS

You can get them knocked off going from 5k to the deck.
The B29 is fragile in maneuvers and speed.

Personally i just hammerhead it then pull up too hard to rip my wings off!. then drop my payload and hit the tarmac of the enemy base :D

I know, just making fun of you  :)  :bolt:
Title: Re: Best way to descend in a B29.
Post by: OOZ662 on February 25, 2011, 04:13:31 AM
and cut the engines

Idle engines will create more drag than when they're offline. Especially if they've modeled prop feathering like in the P-38.
Title: Re: Best way to descend in a B29.
Post by: ap1102 on February 25, 2011, 05:21:14 AM
Dang this controlled descent thing works great thanks for posting.

EZRhino (2 years in and still learning)
Title: Re: Best way to descend in a B29.
Post by: StokesAk on February 25, 2011, 05:48:08 AM
you can decent up to 300mph safely

B25C can do 375


B25C > B29
Title: Re: Best way to descend in a B29.
Post by: groundfeeder on February 25, 2011, 07:09:55 AM
From what i have seen, they have modeled the fragility of the aircraft to the point of a paper airplane! If that was real life equivalent, the japs could have destroyed whole formations with potato guns and a strong fart! Get ready because on this issue I believe we are going to hear a bit more. Oh yeah the best way to descend seems to be straight down, or at least the most common.
Title: Re: Best way to descend in a B29.
Post by: Ghosth on February 25, 2011, 07:27:52 AM
Your choice on dropping gear or not, personally I leave gear up most times because that keeps my drones in formation.

Once you drop both gear and flaps they will go into landing mode and go line astern, and setup their landing.

I prefer to keep mine close, drop gear 300 yards off the threshold, and let them slip right in behind me.

But as noted either method works.
Title: Re: Best way to descend in a B29.
Post by: The Fugitive on February 25, 2011, 07:38:19 AM
Just another way to "game the game". Why not use it as it was intended. Take off from a secure base way back in friendly territory, climb to a safe alt, run mission and return to a friendly base deep behind the front lines where you have the safety and space to descend normally.

Oh that's right this a game and we MUST find the quickest and easiest way to do things. 
Title: Re: Best way to descend in a B29.
Post by: CAP1 on February 25, 2011, 08:06:36 AM
forward slip. it works for everything.
Title: Re: Best way to descend in a B29.
Post by: GNucks on February 25, 2011, 08:49:15 AM
Just another way to "game the game". Why not use it as it was intended. Take off from a secure base way back in friendly territory, climb to a safe alt, run mission and return to a friendly base deep behind the front lines where you have the safety and space to descend normally.

Oh that's right this a game and we MUST find the quickest and easiest way to do things.  

I don't see this as an exploit. Using all of your options to create more drag is just a safe way to achieve a steeper decent. That's not "gaming the game", that's being smart.

Just last night I was at 30K in B17's while rtb'ing and there was 20 min left in the arena. Rather than doing a right and proper "normal" decent as you describe and landing deep in friendly territory (and risk being in the air when it's time to get disco'd), I used all the methods described in this thread to perform a steep decent and land at a frontline base.

And besides, what's to stop anyone from using the tips in this thread to land deep in friendly territory anyway? In fact, keeping your altitude all the way to your LZ and decending as late as possible is the safest option when returning to base.
Title: Re: Best way to descend in a B29.
Post by: The Fugitive on February 25, 2011, 09:16:12 AM
I'm sorry, everything about this B29 just rubs me the wrong way. I apologize for my last post.
Title: Re: Best way to descend in a B29.
Post by: GNucks on February 25, 2011, 09:38:06 AM
Bah, my reply was inappropriate and condescending. I scratched out the bits where I cast doubt on your intelligence. Truly ungentlemanly behavior on my part. Happy 29 hunting, sir.  :salute
Title: Re: Best way to descend in a B29.
Post by: Westy on February 25, 2011, 10:00:56 AM
Incredibly pathetic.

It took less than a week for the tutorial on
'How to dive bomb with a B-29 in Romper Roomville'
to appear


you guys rAwQue!!

(http://us.123rf.com/168nwm/luislouro/luislouro1006/luislouro100600183.jpg)
Title: Re: Best way to descend in a B29.
Post by: Lusche on February 25, 2011, 10:07:47 AM
Incredibly pathetic.

It took less than a week for the tutorial on
'How to dive bomb with a B-29 in Romper Roomville'
to appear


you guys rAwQue!!

(http://us.123rf.com/168nwm/luislouro/luislouro1006/luislouro100600183.jpg)

Yeah, there is so much about divebombing in this thread...

 :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Best way to descend in a B29.
Post by: Westy on February 25, 2011, 10:37:06 AM
When there's talk about almost stalling the plane so it can be nosed over
for a rapid, controlled descent and you can't see it will lead to using the
B-29 as a Stuka then you're myopic.

Title: Re: Best way to descend in a B29.
Post by: Beefcake on February 25, 2011, 10:45:23 AM
When there's talk about almost stalling the plane so it can be nosed over
for a rapid, controlled descent and you can't see it will lead to using the
B-29 as a Stuka then you're myopic.



Westy at the rate B29's are going down in the arena I doubt this will be a problem. So far the only B29's I've seen at low alt are either taking off or landing, and that's when I actually see them. Unless they're doing it for a joke I highly doubt anyone is going to seriously use the B29 as a Superstuka and dive bomb GVs. The 100 perk point tag will see to that.

Trust me, the Lancstucka will live on quite well.
Title: Re: Best way to descend in a B29.
Post by: Lusche on February 25, 2011, 10:46:59 AM
When there's talk about almost stalling the plane so it can be nosed over
for a rapid, controlled descent and you can't see it will lead to using the
B-29 as a Stuka then you're myopic.



This kind of controlled, rapid descend can and often os used by most bombers in game  prior to landing. In comparison, it's hardly ever used in combat in Aces High to "divebomb" with heavies. And how often do you think it will happen with a 100 perks bomber, that is on top f that slow to get in the necessary position in the first place?