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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: MachFly on February 26, 2011, 07:58:40 PM
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How many perks do you need to take down HQ? The AH training site says 371000lb, but that sounds a little to much.
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How many perks do you need to take down HQ? The AH training site says 371000lb,
It does say 37 1000lbs bombs = 37,000lbs, not 371000 ;)
oh, and the reason it's expressing the needed lbs in 1000lbds bombs is that the program itself is set up that way. A 1000lbs bomb is standard by which everything is measured and actually "worth" 1000lbs of damage. Smaller bombs have more power for their size, bigger bombs have less.
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Ahh, got it, thanks.
So now a single person can take out the HQ :x
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So now a single person can take out the HQ :x
In theory, yes. But it's very difficult. The HQ is a hardened target similar to a SB, all bombs must be direct hits. Combined with relatively small size it means that a Lancaster has to fly either very slow, or use at least two passes. Both dangerous options with a 163 base nearby.
I did only one try with the B-29 yet (4x4000lbs), but I did find that the formation is spread too far apart (huge wingspan) to achieve hits by all three planes.
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In theory, yes. But it's very difficult. The HQ is a hardened target similar to a SB, all bombs must be direct hits. Combined with relatively small size it means that a Lancaster has to fly either very slow, or use at least two passes. Both dangerous options with a 163 base nearby.
I did only one try with the B-29 yet (4x4000lbs), but I did find that the formation is spread too far apart (huge wingspan) to achieve hits by all three planes.
Thanks for the explanation. Always wondered about formations being able to hit HQ with more than one plane.
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In theory, yes. But it's very difficult. The HQ is a hardened target similar to a SB, all bombs must be direct hits. Combined with relatively small size it means that a Lancaster has to fly either very slow, or use at least two passes. Both dangerous options with a 163 base nearby.
I did only one try with the B-29 yet (4x4000lbs), but I did find that the formation is spread too far apart (huge wingspan) to achieve hits by all three planes.
What if you take 40 500lb? 40x500=20000x3=60000lb
4x4000=16000x3=48000lb
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What if you take 40 500lb? 40x500=20000x3=60000lb
4x4000=16000x3=48000lb
48K would be more than sufficient if you hit. With 40 bombs it's even more difficult to get the required hits than with 4. IF you drop 40 bombs with minimum delay at 350mph, the resulting line of impact is almost 90 yards long. And you still have the problem that your drones are too far apart, so in the end only a tiny fraction of your bombs achive direct hits.
I'm not saying it's impossible to kill HQ with one set of B-29's only, but so far I had no success, not enough hits on target. Maybe I try again during the week.
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How much more ord will you need? What if you have a heavy pony fly with you?
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How much more ord will you need? What if you have a heavy pony fly with you?
You need the equivalent of 37x1000lbs directly on target. If only the lead bomber's bombs do hit, and due to bomb drop delay only 1/3rd of them hit the target, that would be ~13x500lbs only... you do the math ;)
I think I may post a few screenshots later today to illustrate the problem
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Right, however the drones also do damage, not as much as direct hits but it still counts.
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Right, however the drones also do damage, not as much as direct hits but it still counts.
Do they? How much do they count vs a hardened target, and how did you verify this?
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Do they? How much do they count vs a hardened target, and how did you verify this?
IDK, I was expecting you to explain it.
I know when you drop 3 250lb on a hangar (with formation) the hangar goes down, so the bombs that hit right next to the target still count. I realize HQ is a hardened target, so I assume the bombs that hit next to HQ would not count as much, but they should still count.
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IDK, I was expecting you to explain it.
I can't explain what I don't know. From my experince, near misses do not help. You are assuming they do... time for a test :banana:
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I can't explain what I don't know. From my experince, near misses do not help. You are assuming they do... time for a test :banana:
Please record.
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I can't explain what I don't know. From my experince, near misses do not help. You are assuming they do... time for a test :banana:
I think i know who might be able to explain this.
(http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/4598/skuzzysignal.gif)
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I think i know who might be able to explain this.
(http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/4598/skuzzysignal.gif)
I think he won't be offended when I dare to say: No very likely ;)
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I think he won't be offended when I dare to say: No very likely ;)
They have to know what they program into the game, at least I would think so.
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They have to know what they program into the game, at least I would think so.
Skuzzy doesn't program anything in this game.
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Skuzzy doesn't program anything in this game.
I don't have a "HiTech call" .gif
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I don't have a "HiTech call" .gif
Well he should know
but shhhhh... even himself had been proven wrong about some ingame stuff...very rare, but it did happen before :noid :D :bolt:
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Some need to make a big one for the whole team.
Can't find Sudz & Rosie
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First test: HQ hardness was set to 0.1 x 1000lbs. One 4000lbs bomb (=31 times more damage than necessary!) precisely placed next to the HQ from low altitude. All the guns on HQ blown away, HQ itself still up.
Second test:: HQ set to 0.01x1000lbs (that's 10lbs needed only!). Again dropped 4k bomb right next to it, just a few feet. Nil effect on the HQ itself, only guns and some town buildings blew up. But a few rounds of 0.50 cal brought it down.
(http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/37/testuh.jpg)
So even a bomb 310 times more powerful than needed to kill the HQ had no effect on it. Which proves my initial statement: You need direct hits. :old:
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I've taken down HQ with single sets of lancs by dropping 14x1000 at minimum altitude. Approx. 950ft agl. Higher and the bomb spread was too great, lower and you blow yourself up. Either way the HQ ack chews you up. Had a situation when they forgot to make an airfield adjoining HQ uncapturable on the Mindanao map in MW one tour and got to try it repeatedly. Incidentally there was no damage credited for destroying the associated HQ city and guns.
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This picture shows the problem of the B-29 bomb spread:
(http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/8244/salvo.jpg)
This was part of a 40 bomb salvo from a B-29 at only 278 mph @ ~2000ft and delay 0.05. The actual total length of the carpet was about 3 times longer than that what you see.
More importantly, you can see how far apart the drones are from each other. The total formation width is greater than the HQ dimensions. So even when dropping 4x4000lbs bombs only the lead bomber, or at best the lead and one drone could hope to achieve direct hits.
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I wonder if you got slow enough to drop your gear and make your drones form up directly behind you, if they would still drop the bombs?
Hrmmm....
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bottom line its like strafing a SB with 303s
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We have been taking out HQ with single set of Lancs for years now.
:cheers:
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We have been taking out HQ with single set of Lancs for years now.
:cheers:
What exactly do you do that?
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Lusche, take a look at this thread: http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,307652.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,307652.0.html)
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In theory, yes. But it's very difficult. The HQ is a hardened target similar to a SB, all bombs must be direct hits. Combined with relatively small size it means that a Lancaster has to fly either very slow, or use at least two passes. Both dangerous options with a 163 base nearby.
I did only one try with the B-29 yet (4x4000lbs), but I did find that the formation is spread too far apart (huge wingspan) to achieve hits by all three planes.
but if you wanted, couldnt you put the gear down, adjust the bomb arm height thingie, and get really really really really really really low? at least in offline mode, so that you could just get a massive line?
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but if you wanted, couldnt you put the gear down, adjust the bomb arm height thingie, and get really really really really really really low? at least in offline mode, so that you could just get a massive line?
Yes, you can drop with gear down and having the drones in a line... but thats totally without any practical merit ;)
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Do we know the length of the HQ?
If we do then we can fly at the speed which will drop all bombs on HQ.
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Do we know the length of the HQ?
If we do then we can fly at the speed which will drop all bombs on HQ.
With the "gear out, drones in line" trick? Won't work, as the drones do drop at the vey same moment the lead bomber does.
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With the "gear out, drones in line" trick? Won't work, as the drones do drop at the vey same moment the lead bomber does.
I understand that, I'm saying that we need to slow down the bombers so they do not pass the target in the 2 seconds that it takes to drop the bombs. So I am trying to figure how how long is the HQ so we can calculate the speed required to pass it in 2 seconds.
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(http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/files/rolex/machfly.jpg)
:D
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these would work nicely, still 2 sets of lancs though ...
(http://www.v2rocket.com/start/deployment/tallboy-earthquake-bombs.jpg)
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What exactly do you do that?
lancs at 200 ft above the ground, set salvo to 14, and pull up to try and avoid killing yourself.
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these would work nicely, still 2 sets of lancs though ...
(http://www.v2rocket.com/start/deployment/tallboy-earthquake-bombs.jpg)
They won't fit in a B-29 either.
:devil
wrongway
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It would seem what you really need is not a formation, but 3 single-planes flying together hitting the same target?
Mach, you cannot take out an HQ with 1 single formation. Not even if you hit every bomb (which Lusche has shown you cannot do, especially with formations). The required lbs of explosives is about 2 formations' worth of lancasters, last I checked.
Lusche: Have you tried the 4x 4k with a formation? What's the spread on that? Less ord overall, but still 16000lbs per plane. Less bombs = less scattering, right? Less line-in-the-sand carpetting, in and out and gone.
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Lusche: Have you tried the 4x 4k with a formation? What's the spread on that? Less ord overall, but still 16000lbs per plane. Less bombs = less scattering, right? Less line-in-the-sand carpetting, in and out and gone.
That was actually the first thing I ever tried in the B-29. Even though my speed was very moderate and I was bombing from low alt, I failed. The formation width was too big, the drone's bombs were missing the HQ left & right. And as shown in this thread, near misses do not scratch the HQ.