Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Delirium on February 28, 2011, 11:22:59 AM
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Imho (yea, I know, but here goes);
CV should not be able to roam independently but should require supply ships to occasionally steam out to resupply them. Even a CV without air operations still needs to be refueled from time to time, needs provisions for the crew, etc. In addition, the more air operations that are conducted, the more av-gas would need to be steamed to the CV group to keep the birds fueled up. At short distances, we can use the supply barges (which are already in the game) but at longer distances we can use ocean going cargo ships.
What would this accomplish? It would; allow hidden CVs to be found, create a strategic type of gameplay by hunting down those cargo ships, and overall create more play and targets for a bomber force which has little to do.
(http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h95000/h95560.jpg)
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+1 more boats to shoot at!
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so, based on that suggestion would it also be possible to "fix damages" using supply runs to a cv, much like is done to resupply bases?
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so, based on that suggestion would it also be possible to "fix damages" using supply runs to a cv, much like is done to resupply bases?
I don't see why not, but that wasn't the intent for the initial suggestion.
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Damaged CV's already repair over time, this would just give them a concrete supply trail of some sort that represents that repair and refit. +1 I like it. :aok
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it's too bad people running supplies and stuff to bases/strats don't get any perks for doing it...i personally don't care about points one way or the other but, i bet there would be a lot more people willing to run supplies if there were some sort of reward.
:lol imagine that stat every tour - top supply gopher :lol
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it's too bad people running supplies and stuff to bases/strats don't get any perks for doing it...i personally don't care about points one way or the other but, i bet there would be a lot more people willing to run supplies if there were some sort of reward.
I thought you did get perks for resupplying a base... Pretty sure you used to.
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YES u do, depends on the amount of damage, and the number of people on for each side, have received anywhere from 0.8 to over 4 some times more.
DHawk
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Hey, I like this idea!
I think it would open the door to re-supply of CVs with... PBY??? :D
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I think it would open the door to re-supply of CVs with... PBY??? :D
Now I had not thought of that. Adding another +1
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Make cruisers stronger then carriers.
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YES u do, depends on the amount of damage, and the number of people on for each side, have received anywhere from 0.8 to over 4 some times more.
DHawk
:rofl shows how much i pay attention to points...never noticed :lol
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but wouldnt you have to give the task force the ability to stop in order for the supply ships to reach it? how fast are the supply ships compared to a cv's speed?
maybe have it where the computer will announce to everyone on that country that the supply convoy is leaving port for the # of cv group its going to (similer to the "base under attack" msg happens) so the country can steer the cv away from a vunerable point and stop it so the supply convoy can reach it.
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figure 10-15kts for merchantmen, 15-20kts for the fastest (converted battleships and liners.)
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I think our TG's move at 32 knots. So they will out run the resupply.
To add on to what you were saying Tyrannis, if no one does anything for maybe 30 minutes after announcement, the TG will automatically steer itself towards the Supply Convoy or start making a sector wide circle, waiting for the Supply Convoy? Just having the announcement alone, people are not likely to notice it, even if the TG is in bad shape. You would be able to override the TG's auto wait for supply, but it will give you a pop up window telling you this. Something like, "Warning! Supply Convoy in route. If you wish to proceed, a delay in resupply/repair may occur. Do you still wish to proceed with your command?".
Either way, a +1 on this.
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so if we could hit these ships,a person could effectively shut down a cv?
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I hate to rain on your parade but this never really happened.
First as a bit of background for years I've been thinking of returning to my childhood and building a model but unlike when I was a kid I wanted to do it in a very detailed way. Always fascinated by the battle of Midway I decided to start with the USS Hornet CV-8. I've been doing tons of research to begin this project. Someday I'll post photos of the hard work I'm about to take on.
CV's always resupplied/refueled in port. The Hornet and her task force went half way around the world from the east coast, refueling at Pearl Harbor and loading Doolittle's raiders, then sailing to within 600 miles of Japan and returning to Pearl to resupply prior to heading out to Midway.
What could be added is enlarging the fleet to include oilers and their dedicated destroyer screeners; typically one destroyer per oiler with a couple of oilers per task force.
Sorry but -1.
I forgot to mention that even damaged ships sought port. The Admiral Graf Spee was forced into a neutral port for repairs but was forced under International law to leave after three days. The Captain, thinking that they would be hunted and killed by the British scuttled the ship soon after leaving port.
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Battle of the River Plate has some excellent scenes of the cruisers (Ajax, Achilles and ?) under full steam attacking Graf Spee, worth a watch :aok
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Before seeing the dynamic supply routes implemented, I'd like to see snailman's proposition come to AH.
This thread is another fine example why a max life span of a CV without it's corresponding port could make sense ;)
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I hate to rain on your parade but this never really happened.
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CV's always resupplied/refueled in port
I hate to rain on yours, but this did occur, particularly for support vessels. I made sure I researched it prior to making the suggestion. In fact, they even refueled CVs and (of course CVEs) while at sea. Here is a picture of an Essex Class CV undergoing refueling at sea.
(http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USN/GSBO/img/GSBO-18-7.jpg)
Here is a picture of a CVE under going refueling.
(http://www.ussnewdd818.org/SB-4.jpg)
This is a link to a diary made by a sailor, note the multiple refuels in his log.
http://www.cowpensvets.org/wardiary.html
Now I'll quote Donald L. Miller, who is well known for his consulting work and historical background.
"... along with a sea train of fuel (bold added by me), cargo, repair and hospital vessels that allowed the task groups to operate out of port for as long as 70 days. Each carrier group was refueled every 4 days by oilers, which also brought the mail and the latest movies."
This is a nice reference for the use of resupply during the Okinawa campaign. (Summary of Service, Biographical File: Rear Adm. Edward E. Paré)
"The fuel required for the Okinawa operation far exceeded that consumed during any previous campaign. This large consumption was the result of the many ships employed and an increase in their endurance at sea because of the underway replenishment facilities of Service Squadron 6. Between 17 March and 27 May, the amount of fuel oil, diesel oil, and aviation gasoline issued by Task Group 50.8 for replenishment at sea (including its own use) was 8,745,000 barrels of fuel oil (ninety tankers' worth), 259,000 barrels of diesel oil, and 21,477,000 gallons of aviation gasoline. This was more petroleum than Japan managed to import or produce during the entire year of 1944!"