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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: R4M on September 04, 2001, 08:26:00 PM
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to avoid unbelievable,unrealistic kills as this one:
http://www.airtel.net/hosting/0003d/ebringas/film28.ahf (http://www.airtel.net/hosting/0003d/ebringas/film28.ahf)
at least for CT arena, PLEASE remove that laser rangefinder thing.
P.S. this goes for the "is so dificult to get pings at 800+ range" , "show me a film" and "50 cals are undermodelled" crowds. What this film shows are SOLID hits at 850-800 yards. Had it been 950 I would have had a good deal of pings 2... :)
P.S. x2: I also have my problems believing that a P47 could stand such a slow,nose-up attitude for so long, so stable, with the 2500hp engine it carried.
P.S. x3: IMO P47D25 is the most underrated plane of this game :)
[ 09-04-2001: Message edited by: R4M ]
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Need I say anything?
Yawn.
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Originally posted by R4M:
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--Asts--
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
Hmmm, I didn't catch any of that!
SOB
[ 09-04-2001: Message edited by: SOB ]
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what are you saying ram? I looked at the film, you did a good job of squeezing all the E out of that D25 you could get. You sent a barrage of 50 cals at him from 850 on your FE, 8 fifty cals ram, thats alot of ammo. You are suggesting that the 50 cal is overmodeled? the AH gunnery model is wrong? what? Im sorry, I dont see a problem. Non beliving is not the issue. You just trying to make everyone believe it is wrong. I dont see it bud. Go get better bait. I got alot of films in my P-47, you wanna see them?
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SOB, He said he's found the error of his ways.
He admits that the only reason he disliked the F4U-1C so much, and so affectionatly called it the 'chog', is because he has this sick passion for the plane. He wanted it perked so he would no longer fly it and because it was so hard for him to get kills in while everyone else could rack up 3 or 4 a flight. It would take him, on average. 4 flights to get an assist.
He admits, the Hispanos are not uber but they are indeed correctly modelled as the best armament of the game.
He admits his incessant babbling (whining) in regards to the Chog, N1K2 (or niki as he refers to it), Hispanos being overmodelled and the Fw being under modelled is because he is in fact ashamed of his small member- which he makes up for by getting the Chog perked (because he feels inadequate with an arena full of them) and constantly trying to get things HARDer so he can fool himself into believing he is the best sack jockey of all time with the women.
We know your secrets now RAM.. we're glad you've found your true self.
-SW
[ 09-04-2001: Message edited by: SWulfe ]
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LOL, SOB. :D
Mitsu
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well... On Monday I was in a bomber of some sort.. I was running for all I was worth as a YAK T was slowly trying to catch me at about 2k ft
He was slooowwwly gaining, he was creeping up on my low 6 and I didn't have a shot. He went into a gentle climb and was positioned on my 6 at about d1.5, so I held my fire. He closed to 1.4 or so and started taking the occasional shot... his first hit came at 1.3...... the fatal blow came at 1.1..
I was soooooo pissed!! granted I gave him a very steady target, but a shot like that would NOT have been possible with only 32 rounds and no rangefinder...
Was awesome shooting Yeager, but at the time there was NO WAY IN HELL i was gonna say so +)
May have the final shots on film...
SKurj
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I was hit once at 1.4k out. That was terrible.
but then again, i can hit at 1.2k myself.
I'll just wait and see what happens.
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No ammo, all hes saying is that its way to easy to get long range kills in AH.
I couldnt care less if this is realistic or not now, if it indeed is realistic now, then i want it changed to be unrealistic, make it harder.
Regards.
[ 09-05-2001: Message edited by: Maniac ]
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SOB, link broken....
LOL @ SOB :D
Cheers,
Pepe
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To go back to the issue.
I agree with RAm about the laser range finder.
As it is now, it is possible for us to see that we're extending by 1 yard a minute, and then assume we're safe. Or that the enemy is gaining at 1 yard a minute. We know exactly when it's 300 yards and thus when to open up.
Make it come in .5 mile increments. That way once yer at d1.0, the next update you'll get is either d1.5 or d.5. will make shooting and fighting a LOT more intense, as it'll force people to break because the enemy MIGHT be gaining; ya just don't know.
It'll actually benefit the .50/hisp crowd more than the LW d00ds, as they have further ranging guns. So you chaps can be happy too :)
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excuse me, this was spoken by RAM and has nothing to do with the ranging icons--
P.S. this goes for the "is so dificult to get pings at 800+ range" , "show me a film" and "50 cals are undermodelled" crowds. What this film shows are SOLID hits at 850-800 yards. Had it been 950 I would have had a good deal of pings 2...
now, if all he had to say was about the ranging icons, then I would prolly agree with the issue, but as usuall there had to be the standard LW whine about "oh no mr Pyro, the 50 cals are too good" and he even brings in the P-47D25 into the issue. So, if the icons truly were the issue, then the origional post has some extra non-needed stuff that brings up the "uh uh, here we go again" flag.
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Baaaaaaaad SOB, lol!
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jeez, QUOTE ME SAYING THAT THE 50 CALS ARE OVERMODELLED. Try to do it!.
I ASK for the RANGEFINDER to get lost so that hittings at those ranges is as difficult as it SHOULD, not the Kid's game IT IS RIGHT NOW.
oh, YES, I said that the film goes aswell for the "800 yard crowd" because IT GOES ASWELL FOR THEM. For AGES people has filled their mouth with the "post me a film on how do you hit at those ranges" WELL; YOU THERE HAD THE F!"·ING FILM (not any more as I erased it from my server...) So, if you dont present the proof, you are a WHINER because you dont have a proof. But if you present the proof then you get beheaded because you supposedly WHINE about the 50 cals.
WELL; NO ;SIR! I DONT SAY A WORD ABOUT THE F·!$!ING 50 CALS (I would say about the mauser 20mm dispersion, but I didnt mention it in this thread as it does not belong to the topic), I DO say that to hit at 850 yards SHOULD BE MUCH MORE DIFFICULT, and that if it isnt difficult now is for the rangefinder icons WICH I ASK PLEASE TO BE RETIRED IN THE CT -not in the MA-
Oh, yes, I note that I was nose up, at 120mph, AS STABLE AS A ROCK while firing 8mgs, and having a full-wepping 2500hp engine in my nose. I do have a complain on that, but not just on the jug, but also on the nik,109, 190, P51, and ALL the planes.
And yes, I am pretty !·!"ing IRRITATED with your answers. Anyone in my place would be. Is hopeless...if you say that you get regular hits at 900-800 yard ranges they ask for the film ,and when they get the film they call you whiner.
you group of...........
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yes, the d25 is overmodelled just like it's kid brother the d11. :rolleyes: Looks like you're complaining about some dang good flying and shooting on your part.
I'm in agreement that icons suck, BTW. But given your situation, wouldn't you have taken that shot anyway even without the laser rangefinder? Taking a P-47 into a gangbang like that... sheesh!
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The D11 is a different issue I'm not discussing here. But in other threads I've stated my opinion on it anyway.
About the film, no, I wont have tried to take that shot with no rangefinder. Had I missed the shot, that La7 would've sent me to hell in the dive he was about to start. I dont like to be rope-a-doped :)
And in fact I went up for the shot because I knew I was dead anyway with all those cons coming up for me. Had we been alone I would have tried to force him to burn more E. That film doesnt show the opening stages of the fight vs the La7, neither it shows the previous fight I had one on one vs a N1K2. We were alone, and just after I killed the N1K, this La7 showed up coming for me with alt and speed advantage. Then the rest came up too ;).
And I stand in what I said, the P47D25 is a plane NOT to be underestimated. I happen to like it :)
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Watch out, another quitting is close!
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Heh, those range finding icons sure make it easy to know when to pull a defensive manuever as well........just food for thought, carry on :)
Cobra
[ 09-05-2001: Message edited by: Cobra ]
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I happen to agree about the icosn issue. Just not the planes. ALL the AH aircraft can get long range hits if someone gets even minimal gunnery skills or just wants to blow thier whole wad of ammo at a fleeing con.
My number one wish would be for AH to have icons with NO range indicator at all. I've always thought (before WW2O ever came out) that semi transparant icons was the way to go. Going from lighter to darker in opacity as range increased and decreased. No digital read out and no analog representation.
In general and to no one in particular about gunnery: I find it hard to believe anyone wants to ask for more UNrealism? We already have "combat trim" and "automatically retracting" flaps? I vote to keep gunnery and ballistics as real as it can be. IMO folks need to learn to adjust to it the AH realistic ballistics just as they would if shell range or impact damage were adjusted for <coughhblowme> gameplay. There are other games out there that make that concession, amongst others like adding 'mush'. Those people 'there' piss and moan about "bb guns" as well as "d6" shots versus "d2". So the argument never ends anyway no matter what gets done.
Westy
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Time for more beer bets! :D
(Ram, recuerda que tenemos un acuerdo..)
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I couldnt care less, every month or so new revelations comes along about what is real or not... Remember the 1.03 FM, Well everyone said that was so fricking real and then what??
Make it hard.
[ 09-05-2001: Message edited by: Maniac ]
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Originally posted by R4M:
you group of sweet lovable, handsome virtual pilots....
Aw RAM, that's sweet. Yer making me blush! :)
I think it'd be nice if the icons either displayed less information, or better yet disappeared all together once you get within 1k of the enemy aircraft. Not because of however the icons do or don't affect gunnery or their perceived "gameyness", but because I think it'd add to the immersion factor a little bit. Maybe I'll try this manually for the next day or so when I'm online to see if it really does add something to immersion or if it just sucks. :)
SOB
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As a game I think AH does very very well.....
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I like the lower icon settings in CT.
It would be neat if one of the icon settings could be "no range under d1". I'd like to see that in the CT and even in scenarios. Would probably take more coding by HTC tho; probably back burner.
Probably not in the MA tho.
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Originally posted by SOB:
R4M, 'ol buddy. I want to tell you that I am here for you if you ever need a friend to talk to. I am your friend, and would like more than friendship if that could be possible. I don't care what these guys say, I've thought you were something else ever since the first time I saw that 190 whiz by me in the main arena. I hope I'm not being too forward here...
SOB
Although I admire you trying to get along, I think you may be going too far here SOB. I just about threw up reading that man...
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When did the N1K2 and the LA-7 get added into the planeset for the Combat Theatre? I guess I need to check that one out if I can fly my UFO in there now too. :rolleyes:
Oh wait...you mean you werent in the CT? I thought all these "I want realism" whiners were going to stay in the CT? I mean, after all, HTC gives you a place to play with no dweebery and you still wont populate it?
The MA is what it is and it definitely isnt the place for no icons or whatever. If you want that stuff, show up for scenarios....or go fly all by yourself in the CT. I guess the CT wasnt exactly the savior that you all thought it would be, huh?
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tangent! :eek:
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hijacked already :)
RAM, you are way too emotional man. I do not agree with half of what you psot about. As a personanlity within the game you are humorous and OK. But you got this tag of whiner (rightfully so) and you have lost alot of credibility too. Sorry, I dont tkae it seriously. Heres an idea. Try one issue at a time. The "rangefinder" icon is a valid point that alot of regulars will agree with. That issue stands alone. Dont add the whine about the ammo, or the tangent about the torque model of the jug or whatever. You are like a bucket, just dumps everything at the toss of the hat.
and... save your cursing for something that really matters like life, not AH :)
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I think it's funny.... you show one film and expect it to prove to all of us that the long range shots happen..
Yes, they do happen. Like they did in the real war.
You know what else? They happen rarely.
You have ONE (1) film showing me that you finally got ONE (1) good long range shot on film.
Out of how many kills does anyone average at 700-800yards?
If you can't produce the results consistently and repeatedly, then save it for someone who gives a toejam.
-SW
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I don't know what difference range listing on icons had there, he was stalled out and motionless, would have been dead no matter what.
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Sorry Ram....
Pretty damn funny SOB! <S>
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hmmm childs always scream when prefered toys taken away ;)
but actualy a no laser range finders in CT my vote is away with range icons
even for what a hell we have plane id there ???????????????
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Originally posted by minus:
hmmm childs always scream when prefered toys taken away ;)
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You must be an expert on childish screaming by now ;)
Cobra
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Originally posted by hblair:
Although I admire you trying to get along, I think you may be going too far here SOB. I blew chow after reading that man...
LOL! You bastard, how dare you twist my words around like that! Oh well, I forgive you, it's just good to see you back with Chow again. :D
SOB
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Originally posted by sling322:
When did the N1K2 and the LA-7 get added into the planeset for the Combat Theatre? I guess I need to check that one out if I can fly my UFO in there now too.
yah I flew on the MA. My sin. Forgive me, for I have sinned.
Happens that I am in the middle of a week of exams. Yersterday I had one. Today I am just out of the second. Tomorrow I have 2 more and Friday I have 2 more.
I logged in yesterday for the first time since 1 week ago, 1.30pm my hour. There were 0 people on the CT, so I logged into the MA fora 30 minute ride in a P51B.
Yesterday night I took a break from studying, logged in, saw just 2 ppl on the CT, and as all I wanted was 30 minutes of fun I went into the MA. I ended flying some 45 minutes or so, and then was back to my books.
Had it been a normal day, you bet I would've gone right into the CT. But it wasnt. Guess that what I just wanted was a short, fast break with lots of action to distract me. Wow, what a sin. :rolleyes:
Anyway wtf am I doing here posting?. Back to my books. After 5 hours of exam, I have 2 more tomorrow and 2 more the day past tomorrow, of 4-5 hours each.
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Akswulfe,
Isn't it about time to do your thread lock magic????
Mav :D
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Mav, I'm sure this thread will head down hill fast enough without my assistance.
Besides, I see a good prissy fight ah brewin' here. Could be fun to watch. ;)
-SW