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Title: would like to learn the P-40
Post by: Wildcat1 on March 07, 2011, 05:38:59 PM
 :salute all

was wondering if i could find a trainer, or just anyone who knows the P-40, to help me out in the bird.

i'm trying to learn it for the Rangoon scenario in April, and all i know about it is if you're in trouble, stick the nose down. any hidden tricks up it's sleve?

thanks
Title: Re: would like to learn the P-40
Post by: bortas1 on March 08, 2011, 09:21:43 AM
 :salute p40 has always been my favorit plane. i would like to learn as well.
bortas1
Title: Re: would like to learn the P-40
Post by: ebfd11 on March 09, 2011, 04:30:28 PM
Wildcat pm caldera on bbs he is the schiznit (in my opinion) with the p40, he might be able to help.

LawnDart
Title: Re: would like to learn the P-40
Post by: ink on March 09, 2011, 04:44:56 PM
Flaps come out at high speed....not sure what that speed is, cant remember  :(
Title: Re: would like to learn the P-40
Post by: Plazus on March 09, 2011, 04:47:27 PM
Wildcat1,

Which P40 variant do you wish to learn to fly?
Title: Re: would like to learn the P-40
Post by: Wildcat1 on March 09, 2011, 05:48:07 PM
Wildcat1,

Which P40 variant do you wish to learn to fly?

the -E, hoping to lead a P-40E group in the upcomming Rangoon scenario

 :salute
Title: Re: would like to learn the P-40
Post by: 321BAR on March 10, 2011, 05:55:32 AM
Although i've never flown the Kittyhawk or Warhawk i'd love to check it out also. The 20th might be flying majority allied for the next scenario
Title: Re: would like to learn the P-40
Post by: Shane on March 10, 2011, 08:39:52 AM
watch for AvA matchups that feature the P-40E.. allows you teh chance to face opponents on a little more equitable grounds in terms of planes.

ditto for SEA events that feature it.

or find someone - another p-40, or similar opponent and use the DA for 1 v 1 action to wrack teh plane around and find your comfort zone.

or find a wingy and tear up furball lake (or the MA)

The thing is, unless you fly and push it to your limits, you'll not learn the full potential and limitations, for any ride for that matter.
Title: Re: would like to learn the P-40
Post by: caldera on March 10, 2011, 11:45:30 AM
Wildcat pm caldera on bbs he is the schiznit (in my opinion) with the p40, he might be able to help.

LawnDart


Thanks EB, but I haven't really flown it in months and was only so-so due to spending so much time getting clobbered in it.  FBLazy is pretty good in it, I think. 

I wouldn't recommend it for furballing, unless you are a masochist.  It can surprise a lot of people with good instantaneous turn and roll rate.  Flaps are great but slow you down, as well as being made of very thin glass (that went through the dishwasher a few too many times).  You will lose a flap from any hit on your wings and handling will suffer badly thereafter.  Just remember not to get hit.  You can cause many an overshoot with the slow speed handling but have trouble catching anyone that runs.  You can have a ton of fun flying the P-40, as long as you don't mind being a magnet for every red icon in range.  :)
Title: Re: would like to learn the P-40
Post by: FLS on March 10, 2011, 12:02:59 PM
I believe the Flying Tiger's doctrine was to start with an altitude advantage, dive through the Japanese formations and extend away.
Title: Re: would like to learn the P-40
Post by: FBLazy1 on March 10, 2011, 02:21:32 PM
WOW  :O

Thanks Caldera but I believe there is better sticks in the P40 than me. I have had my  :ahand to me and been lucky in it a couple times  :joystick:, by no means do I think I could help anybody but do a little of  :bhead. I've only been able to do good in it when partnered with a wingman or was able to get my opponent into a slow fight  :devil.

But Sweet Ride the P40 is and the Perks are awesome when you get some kills in it  :rock  :banana:.

:airplane:
Title: Re: would like to learn the P-40
Post by: caldera on March 10, 2011, 05:24:08 PM
Just threw your name out there as the only person I've seen land P-40 kills more than once.   ;)
Title: Re: would like to learn the P-40
Post by: M0nkey_Man on March 10, 2011, 06:10:45 PM
dont let your speed get too low, helped me survive some fights on here
Title: Re: would like to learn the P-40
Post by: Agent360 on March 11, 2011, 07:39:13 PM
The p40 and other planes in its class suffer from being under powered as compared to plane models a year later.

A zeek will out maneuver the p40 at co alt.

A 109f4 will run cirlcles around a p40

The point s if you want to "learn" the plane you need to really learn how to CONSERVE energy. All early war planes require attention to energy managment. This means you must learn to fly in such a way as to conserve your energy until you need it to make/close for a shot but not totally blow it all on that shot.

It is a more conservative type of flying. Keep your alt as much as possible. Fly as fast as possible. You really need two p40's (you and wingman) to take on any plane of better or equal value.

First take in the MA and fly at around 5k. You will immedialty see how energy is absolutly necessary. When in a 109k4, P51 or Kia4 for example these planes have enough power and speed to get out what they get into.

The p40 cant get out....so you must learn to get in and out with enough energy to defend yourself.

Quite simply...if you get slow and low you are dead.



Title: Re: would like to learn the P-40
Post by: TOMCAT21 on March 11, 2011, 11:40:44 PM
been flying 40b/e. i like them... turn ok
Title: Re: would like to learn the P-40
Post by: MaSonZ on March 15, 2011, 09:33:35 PM
back in my more active days I would play with the P40-E every now and then. if you use your flaps, and your advantages (not that she has many in LW  :rolleyes:)you can do a lot with her. toot around the DA with it, do some 1-1's get a feel for it, then move to the MA and try what you learned. Trim helps a lot with it too. if your turnin tight I found trimming my elevators up helps a lot.
Title: Re: would like to learn the P-40
Post by: FLS on March 16, 2011, 07:03:04 AM
Trim helps a lot with it too. if your turnin tight I found trimming my elevators up helps a lot.

Trimming up may help you personally turn tightly but it's useful to know that it doesn't allow you to turn any tighter or faster than not trimming up.
Title: Re: would like to learn the P-40
Post by: MaSonZ on March 16, 2011, 01:58:28 PM
Trimming up may help you personally turn tightly but it's useful to know that it doesn't allow you to turn any tighter or faster than not trimming up.
really? always seems to make my plane turn tighter... must be placebo.
Title: Re: would like to learn the P-40
Post by: Soulyss on March 16, 2011, 02:16:33 PM
really? always seems to make my plane turn tighter... must be placebo.

The trim function does not increase the control surface deflection any more than normal joystick input.  The only thing I can think of that may change that is if you fly with stall limiter on,  I can't say for certain one way or the other in that case since I don't have any experience with it.
Title: Re: would like to learn the P-40
Post by: MaSonZ on March 16, 2011, 02:22:37 PM
The trim function does not increase the control surface deflection any more than normal joystick input.  The only thing I can think of that may change that is if you fly with stall limiter on,  I can't say for certain one way or the other in that case since I don't have any experience with it.
have the stall limiter off. Idk, bust be in my mind that trimming up helps me turn tighter.
Title: Re: would like to learn the P-40
Post by: FLS on March 16, 2011, 04:28:19 PM
really? always seems to make my plane turn tighter... must be placebo.

If you scale your pitch axis, trimming up will move the more scaled portion closer to the critical AOA.  You won't turn tighter because you trimmed but you may find it easier to ride the edge.
Title: Re: would like to learn the P-40
Post by: MaSonZ on March 16, 2011, 06:22:04 PM
havent touched the scaling on my x52. idk. its all mental i spose.