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Special Events Forums => Friday Squad Operations => Topic started by: slayem on March 12, 2011, 10:17:57 AM
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Thanks to the guy who vulched me on the rearm pad. All this time the Swampdragons thought vulching was
taboo in FSO but apparently it is not according to posts. So just a little thank you for all the extra kills we are gonna get from here on out. :joystick:
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Sorry for the frustration.
Vulching is quite allowed in FSO. Best way to avoid it is to:
1. Rearm at a rear field.
2. Never rearm at a flashing field.
3. Have a CAP overhead when you rearm.
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Hey I'm fine with it. We have just let a lot land that won't now. Just more for us to kill. :cheers:
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Thanks to the guy who vulched me on the rearm pad. All this time the Swampdragons thought vulching was
taboo in FSO but apparently it is not according to posts. So just a little thank you for all the extra kills we are gonna get from here on out. :joystick:
What makes you think that it was not allowed?
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I cant even remember when it came up. Sometime way back and may have been a no vulch frame or something
that we thought was policy. I really am fine with it and am glad it happened since my one death will yeild us many additional kills in the future. It is more real world that way anyway. i also agree that the pilot using .45 should
be illegal since it isn't likely.
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I cant even remember when it came up. Sometime way back and may have been a no vulch frame or something
that we thought was policy. I really am fine with it and am glad it happened since my one death will yeild us many additional kills in the future. It is more real world that way anyway. i also agree that the pilot using .45 should
be illegal since it isn't likely.
I wounder if you are thinking about ppl using .45 at air fields, as far as vulching? About two years ago, i am the one the caused the problem when i assassinate the axis CiC on the rearmed pad. I was not aware that we cannot do that......I think it was because the rule was really never posted on the FSO rules.
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That could have been it. After 100 missions or so they start to blend together. :old: We have all seen plenty
of footage of 51's and 47's wasting planes on the ground if they get the chance. Keeping it real world is what
makes FSO so cool. :rock
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Anybody have an idea of how many ally planes had to tower premature because the axis hitting a65 last night?
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Anybody have an idea of how many ally planes had to tower premature because the axis hitting a65 last night?
I don't know but this I do know. If I were the 68th Lightning Lancers, I'd be pissed. We killed a lot of you guys last night on your final bomb run while your escort appeared to wait until we were low or out of ammo then they engaged us after you were virtually wiped out.
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Sorry for the frustration.
Vulching is quite allowed in FSO. Best way to avoid it is to:
1. Rearm at a rear field.
2. Never rearm at a flashing field.
3. Have a CAP overhead when you rearm.
That's fair enough...but is being in your chute just outside of base ack range spotting the rearm pad for your vulching teamates OK also? A65 had two axis guys in chutes doing just that. I have film as I'm sure several others do too. This is waaay too much like MA stuff....
BTW-apparently there's a bug in the terrain because the chutes couldn't be killed.
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That's fair enough...but is being in your chute just outside of base ack range spotting the rearm pad for your vulching teamates OK also? A65 had two axis guys in chutes doing just that. I have film as I'm sure several others do too. This is waaay too much like MA stuff....
BTW-apparently there's a bug in the terrain because the chutes couldn't be killed.
This is definitely against the rules. All pilots are supposed to end flight immediately after being shot down.
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Seems pretty clear cut:
- Pilots are expected to do their "fighting" from the AC or GV's that they have been assigned to by their CiC. Once you have been shot down, you should be heading to your tower. Shooting of Enemy AC with your .45 while they are on the ground is not allowed. You may be suspended for doing so.
I imagine that should cover spotting for your squaddies as well
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That's fair enough...but is being in your chute just outside of base ack range spotting the rearm pad for your vulching teamates OK also? A65 had two axis guys in chutes doing just that. I have film as I'm sure several others do too. This is waaay too much like MA stuff....
BTW-apparently there's a bug in the terrain because the chutes couldn't be killed.
I managed to kill one, just took a 37mm HE round to do so, which means he was in a pretty deep foxhole at the end of that runway. :)
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Anybody have an idea of how many ally planes had to tower premature because the axis hitting a65 last night?
I think you already know.
The fish ain't biting here.
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I think you already know.
The fish ain't biting here.
Worth a shot :D
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Does anybody know how many points the Axis are being penalized for having two jerks in chutes spotting for the vulchers?
Anybody have an idea of how many ally planes had to tower premature because the axis hitting a65 last night?
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:uhoh
We got intercepted 29 minutes in tonight.......
So I can only think about the Axis cheating that occurred in frame 2
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:uhoh
We got intercepted 29 minutes in tonight.......
So I can only think about the Axis cheating that occurred in frame 2
:lol :rofl :lol :rofl uh huh...
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LLogann was drunk, not in game, and ran the log from his phone at some odd hour last night totally freaking out. :eek: Very bad form. That dumb reply last night should never have happened.
:lol :rofl :lol :rofl uh huh...
I also just want to add a footnote..... As I was smacked around by several of my brothers for using the C word............ Now I could be completely off base with this and I'm sure the Great members of the SEA CM staff can step in and say I'm a dumbarse and never use that word, ever........ But SEA is different for all the other aspects of the game. In the MA's and the DA, they're pretty much anything goes areas. In AvA it is looked at as common courtesy or the SOP of the arena. But in SEA we have something totally crazy, totally left field, some things that are called rules. One such rule regards not staying in a chute for more than a few seconds.
I do not want anybody to think my use of that terrible, terrible word was for anything more than calling out what we, the Allied side, viewed as a rule violation.
daddog & ghostdancer, sorry for any trouble I may have caused either of you or any member of a wonderful team! :salute
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But in SEA we have something totally crazy, totally left field, some things that are called rules. One such rule regards not staying in a chute for more than a few seconds.
I do not want anybody to think my use of that terrible, terrible word was for anything more than calling out what we, the Allied side, viewed as a rule violation.
Note that I condone hanging in a chute to call out bandits for your side, and especially not to draw ack fire (which has been stated is not allowed), but there is no rule against hanging in your chute for Intel-gathering. The rule to which you are referring suggests (using "should" instead of "shall" or "must") that you tower out, and only specifies that capping people with your .45 while on the ground is not allowed.
FSO Rules - Penalties - Point #7 (http://ahevents.org/fso-rules.html) at the very bottom of the page.
Pilots are expected to do their "fighting" from the AC or GV's that they have been assigned to by their CiC. Once you have been shot down, you should be heading to your tower. Shooting of Enemy AC with your .45 while they are on the ground is not allowed. You may be suspended for doing so.
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I have to agree with DOT on this one also. The rule states no shooting with your .45. Nothing against standing there and reporting what you see. There would be no difference in this or jumping from your destroyed AC, floating down or landing on the ground under the furball and giving check 6's to your members fighting above. No its not realistic but the game isnt either, its a game and we work with what we have in the hopes of having fun.
I was the AXIS CIC for frame 02 and there were no orders given to conduct intelligence gathering by pilots on the ground. I don't have any personnel knowledge of this happening at A65 but I believe the ones that saw it. I suspect that a pilot was shot down and happened to land close to A65 and decided to report intell to the AXIS side.
But I also believe that a pilot in the air or on the ground is still a combatant especially if he is reporting intelligence or you think he is. And engaging and shooting these pilots would be valid. I have never had to shot a pilot in a chute or on the ground in the FSO but I would in a heart beat if I thought he was still a combatant and working against my side. So shotting the pilot in the head with a 37mm is OK with me even if it was on my side.
If the rule is going to be "tightened up" I recommend caution in how it might be written as it will be a slippery slope and would probably lead to other issues in rule creation that we all wont like. Personally I recommend leaving the rule as is. It is clear enough and the fact is most personnel don't read the rules and they make assumptions.
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Note that I condone hanging in a chute to call out bandits for your side, and especially not to draw ack fire (which has been stated is not allowed),
Stupid spell-check doesn't catch ID10T errors. I meant to say "Not that I condone...", which is to say I don't think one should hang out in a chute. The rest of what I said is accurate, though.
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I have to disagree. The rules say you should go to the tower. Just because intel gathering isn't specifically proscribed doesn't mean you should use that as a loophole.
FSO isn't the MA, and downed pilots in WWII sure weren't radioing intel back to their comrades still flying.
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I'm not arguing, but just saying that the rules state you should go to the tower, not that you must go to the tower. The rules do, however, say that you cannot use your .45 to continue the fight against the enemy.
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I wish that both text and vox functionality in the chute could be arena settings, so they could be turned off, and this wouldn't come up again.
I have to disagree. The rules say you should go to the tower. Just because intel gathering isn't specifically proscribed doesn't mean you should use that as a loophole.
FSO isn't the MA, and downed pilots in WWII sure weren't radioing intel back to their comrades still flying.
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I was actually just trying to clear up the use of the C word......................... ... :bolt:
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FSO isn't the MA, and downed pilots in WWII sure weren't radioing intel back to their comrades still flying.
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Thats for sure. They didnt have the capability to do so. But even if they had the ability they would have just been trying to survive. There were a number of instances where allied aircrew were saved by the enemy military from angry mobs of civilians. Sadly in some cases that didnt happen
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Damn...
Folks had :ahand and I missed it this time :furious
Sorry you got vulched, Jim.
FB's did it to me a few weeks ago. It sucked. It was highly effective, also. :aok
As DD stated, there are ways around it...
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I was actually just trying to clear up the use of the C word......................... ... :bolt:
My wife tolerates the C word.
As long as I don't use it when referring to her... :noid
:uhoh
We got intercepted 29 minutes in tonight.......
So I can only think about the Axis cheating that occurred in frame 2
... or it wasn't their first trip to the rodeo and they read the allied plans like a book...
:bolt:
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Cheat, not cheap........... :uhoh
:D
My wife tolerates the C word.
As long as I don't use it when referring to her... :noid
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Listed under 7. Penalties
- Pilots are expected to do their "fighting" from the AC or GV's that they have been assigned to by their CiC. Once you have been shot down, you should be heading to your tower. Shooting of Enemy AC with your .45 while they are on the ground is not allowed. You may be suspended for doing so.
This rule is somewhat ambiguous. If someone hangs in their chute for a couple minutes watching the action or giving a report I don’t have a problem with it. If they start drawing ack while behind a hill or shooting with their .45 on the ground then it is a problem.
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I cant even remember when it came up. Sometime way back and may have been a no vulch frame or something
that we thought was policy. I really am fine with it and am glad it happened since my one death will yeild us many additional kills in the future. It is more real world that way anyway. i also agree that the pilot using .45 should
be illegal since it isn't likely.
Wow. The very first FSO event in which I flew ended in a gang-vulch. JV44 Wurger was assigned to allies that scenario and so we were flying Seafires. We flew around for about an hour and started getting low on fuel. We were directed to split - some to land, some to cover. I was pretty green and was coming in on a rather shaky approach when the cover started warning of swarms of 190a-5s dropping. I circled and tried to climb to meet the Hun.
Long story short, first FSO, first death... My CO apologized to all of us for getting us vulched like that. Hell, it wasn't really his fault. Besdies and as I pointed out to him, I didn't get vulched, really, I got shot down after aborting my approach.
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Sorry, had a weird server issue. I've been double-tapping all pm.
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In the FSO I'm going with Vulch, dead pilots can't fly planes. In the MA I'll vulch someone taking off, I won't vulch someone landing, don't see the point. If your chut or crippled bird stays to long chute dies. No tactical advantage and safe from my guns.
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Listed under 7. Penalties This rule is somewhat ambiguous. If someone hangs in their chute for a couple minutes watching the action or giving a report I don’t have a problem with it. If they start drawing ack while behind a hill or shooting with their .45 on the ground then it is a problem.
With all due respect sir, I don't recall any ambiguity when the rule was first published. It was made crystal clear that when (if) you got shot down, you go to the tower.
So is this allowed? Or is it not allowed according to current rules and playing standards? It's a fair and simple question that deserves a fair and simple answer.
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- Pilots are expected to do their "fighting" from the AC or GV's that they have been assigned to by their CiC. Once you have been shot down, you should be heading to your tower. Shooting of Enemy AC with your .45 while they are on the ground is not allowed. You may be suspended for doing so.
Is what allowed? Floating in your chute?
If you don't think that is ambiguous, fine. I think it has some 'grey' area and am comfortable with that. I am certainly not going to be watching films with a stop watch to see how long someone is in their chute.
If someone floats down in their chute for a couple minutes I am fine with that. If they spend 10 minutes in it and then run around on the ground it's a problem.
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Thats not at all what we're talking about Daddog. To be more specific, is staying in your chute on the ground for 10-15 minutes and spotting the re-arm pad for your vulching squadmates an acceptable practice in FSO?
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Thats not at all what we're talking about Daddog. To be more specific, is staying in your chute on the ground for 10-15 minutes and spotting the re-arm pad for your vulching squadmates an acceptable practice in FSO?
Not speaking for the CM staff, but rather speaking for myself...as long as you are not drawing ack fire or shooting the enemy yourself, I see nothing wrong with providing intel for your guys. I personally think you'd do more good as a gunner in someone's bomber (or another pair of eyes in their fighter), since the guys you're spotting for can see enemy planes just fine without you.
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Well, the rule IMHO does not address that specifically Dan. I really don't want to draw a clear line. More often than not it creates more work for the CM's.
Once you have been shot down, you should be heading to your tower.
Says should. When this first came up and the rule was added I remember thinking I really wanted to avoid CM's have to view films of guys running around on the ground counting the seconds and deciding on some kind of penalty. I know for some they just grind their teeth with vague generalities for a rule, but I hope you see what I am trying to avoid and the nonsense it would cause if I implemented some kind of 5 second rule for time on the ground.
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I feel your pain Daddog...I really do. Please understand that I'm not asking that you declare a hard time limit of say, x seconds before one must return to the tower. My interpretation of the rule is (and has always been) that we 'should' tower after being shot down. As stated in a previous post, the rule does not use the term 'shall', but a lot of other hard and fast rules don't either. The purpose of this rule (by my understanding) was to address gamish behavior and practices in FSO. Speaking for myself, and probably quite a few others, the primary reason I fly FSO is to get a break from the gamish behavior and lack of discipline we all see in the MA's. FSO has always held the player to a higher standard.
Now that said, how realistic is it to see two chutes just outside of base ack range spottting the rearm pad to let their squaddies come in to vulch? On top of that, numerous people tried shooting the chutes with 20mm cannon rounds but apparently there is a bug in that terrain that prevented it. Did those pilots shot down over Europe and in the PTO have hand held radios doing this? Not hardly.
The rule clearly says you should return to the tower. These two obviously didn't.
Sorry for the rant Daddog. I just want to fight guys I can have some respect for in FSO.
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Dan
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Lot of WAAAA in this thread.
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Sorry for the last post, I see Daddog answered my question. My bad. I must have missed it on the first read.
The fishing hasn't been good lately.
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Terrains don't affect game mechanics in regards to chutes or planes.
What terrains can affect are any objects built into terrains such as AA (we have had instances of AA rounds not matching up with gun sights, or rounds firing through a building but not destroying it, etc.).
Neither flying planes or people in chutes are part of a terrain file nor is there code. So it wouldn't be a terrain bug. Please provide film of 20mm rounds from planes being fired at the shoots so it can be diagnosed.
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No worries Dan. :)