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Title: What AH needs at the moment
Post by: Mygg on March 19, 2011, 07:03:06 AM
After coming back to play for a bit after a long break, some things struck me as needed to evolve the game-play.

- Larger non-perk buff formations (4 or 5)
- More capable Bomber hunter (110 just doesn't cut it)
- WW1 Arena needs a proper "World" to interact with, it lacks the proper variables to even feel like DOA did (although its got much more potential).
Title: Re: What AH needs at the moment
Post by: Lusche on March 19, 2011, 07:06:41 AM
After coming back to play for a bit after a long break, some things struck me as needed to evolve the game-play.

- Larger non-perk buff formations (4 or 5) why? how does that evole gameplay?
- More capable Bomber hunter (110 just doesn't cut it) It may surprise you... we have much more capable bomber hunters among the ~86 planes in game already. You know any more capable than them that's still missing?

Title: Re: What AH needs at the moment
Post by: Mygg on March 19, 2011, 07:23:10 AM
I am sure someone could generate tons of scenarios/etc that would justify the implementations in their own contexts, but thats not my place.

I don't have to convince the community of its validity; I only need to say what other people may agree with in their own minds (hopefully HT in this case as well).


On a side note:
Some things are best unreasoned, but maybe you can reason; conversely: Instead? I'm sure that would be fun to read if you don't mind entertaining me? :-)
Title: Re: What AH needs at the moment
Post by: gyrene81 on March 19, 2011, 07:28:02 AM
After coming back to play for a bit after a long break, some things struck me as needed to evolve the game-play.

- Larger non-perk buff formations (4 or 5)
you must be having trouble hitting targets with a bomber...larger formations won't help you.

- More capable Bomber hunter (110 just doesn't cut it)
that tells me you don't know what you're talking about...ta-152, p-38, me-262 just to name 3 others...

- WW1 Arena needs a proper "World" to interact with, it lacks the proper variables to even feel like DOA did (although its got much more potential).
there wasn't much of a "world" in doa considering the amount of time it's been around...like everything else over there, it took forever to get the flight models to work properly...the terrains are complete junk...give the ww1 setup here some time to develop.
Title: Re: What AH needs at the moment
Post by: thndregg on March 19, 2011, 07:36:46 AM
After coming back to play for a bit after a long break, some things struck me as needed to evolve the game-play.

- Larger non-perk buff formations (4 or 5)
- More capable Bomber hunter (110 just doesn't cut it)
- WW1 Arena needs a proper "World" to interact with, it lacks the proper variables to even feel like DOA did (although its got much more potential).

Trust me (as I have been here a while) that the formations are fine, and there are plenty of extremely capable aircraft able to intercept and wipe out bombers. It not only has to do with aircraft capability, but the patience and ability of the pilot(s) intercepting one flight or multiple flights.
Title: Re: What AH needs at the moment
Post by: CAP1 on March 19, 2011, 07:48:08 AM
After coming back to play for a bit after a long break, some things struck me as needed to evolve the game-play.

- Larger non-perk buff formations (4 or 5)negatory on that ghostrider. the only thing that needs to be done to the bombers, is to lose the ability to "fire all", where every gun on every bomber is fired at you by one single player.
- More capable Bomber hunter (110 just doesn't cut it)wrongo snappy. most of what we have in the game can catch pretty much every buff(i dunno bout the 29 though, as i've not flown or fought it yet)
- WW1 Arena needs a proper "World" to interact with, it lacks the proper variables to even feel like DOA did (although its got much more potential).
Title: Re: What AH needs at the moment
Post by: Masherbrum on March 19, 2011, 09:39:19 AM
After coming back to play for a bit after a long break, some things struck me as needed to evolve the game-play.

- Larger non-perk buff formations (4 or 5)
- More capable Bomber hunter (110 just doesn't cut it)
- WW1 Arena needs a proper "World" to interact with, it lacks the proper variables to even feel like DOA did (although its got much more potential).

"Larger Non-Perk Formations" -  :rofl  Yeah, right.

"More capable Bomber Hunters" - The ones I use are the 262, Ta-152, D9, A8, 38, Ki-61 on down to a Hurricane if I stumble across a formation.   They all do the job, my guess is one of two things:  

   

In closing.   All I can manage is a good laugh.
Title: Re: What AH needs at the moment
Post by: The Fugitive on March 19, 2011, 09:43:22 AM
After coming back to play for a bit after a long break, some things struck me as needed to evolve the game-play.

- Larger non-perk buff formations (4 or 5)
- More capable Bomber hunter (110 just doesn't cut it)
- WW1 Arena needs a proper "World" to interact with, it lacks the proper variables to even feel like DOA did (although its got much more potential).

Maybe you should/could explain "why" these things are needed. It's seems the rest of us must be missing something.
Title: Re: What AH needs at the moment
Post by: SWrokit on March 19, 2011, 10:46:20 AM
Quote from CAP1:

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Larger non-perk buff formations (4 or 5)negatory on that ghostrider. the only thing that needs to be done to the bombers, is to lose the ability to "fire all", where every gun on every bomber is fired at you by one single player.


Fair enough, then make all gun positions where they can be manned.  Then you'll have the very same thing.  Does anyone really think that during WWII, or any war for that matter, that ALL guns didn't come to bare when a nme fighter came swooping in?  :huh  Kinda defeats the design purpose of "Multiple Gun Emplacements" on buffs.

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Rokit
Title: Re: What AH needs at the moment
Post by: Zoney on March 19, 2011, 10:57:52 AM
You wanna shoot down bombers.  Take an F4Uc up.  You will need patience to get to alt but the rewards are 4 20mm guns tearing the buffs up when you do, on the assumption you can actually hit them.  Shooting down buffs is an art.  With practice you can do it without taking one ping.  I promise.  (Unless it's 999000.  If it is him take my work for it, find a different target.  You will know it is him not from shooting down one of his drones but rather from this message: You have been shot down by 999000 ).

Have fun.
Title: Re: What AH needs at the moment
Post by: CAP1 on March 19, 2011, 12:24:17 PM
Quote from CAP1:
 

Fair enough, then make all gun positions where they can be manned.  Then you'll have the very same thing.  Does anyone really think that during WWII, or any war for that matter, that ALL guns didn't come to bare when a nme fighter came swooping in?  :huh  Kinda defeats the design purpose of "Multiple Gun Emplacements" on buffs.

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Rokit

i thought they already were mannable?

 
Title: Re: What AH needs at the moment
Post by: crazyivan on March 19, 2011, 12:43:05 PM
i thought they already were mannable?

 
Multiple buff gunners.
Title: Re: What AH needs at the moment
Post by: outbreak on March 19, 2011, 12:47:18 PM
Typhoon for the win on Buff killer =] Lots o Cannon and Fast =] but my 2nd choice is a Ta-152
Title: Re: What AH needs at the moment
Post by: SWrokit on March 19, 2011, 12:56:22 PM
1 pilot, plus 1 gunner.....out of how many guns?  Even then it's like pulling teeth to find 1 gunner.  Even when you have that single gunner position manned, all guns still track.  I don't have a beef about being tracked and fired on with buff guns.  HTC has made it as realistic as possible.  If you're within view of a gun mount you're fired upon, just as it would be in RL.

But that's me.   :D

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Rokit
Title: Re: What AH needs at the moment
Post by: DrBone1 on March 19, 2011, 01:31:50 PM
- More capable Bomber hunter (110 just doesn't cut it)
410 FTW  :rock
Title: Re: What AH needs at the moment
Post by: SmokinLoon on March 19, 2011, 01:46:08 PM
Disagree with the O/P, but no need to be rude jack-asses about it.   :frown:

I'd hesitate making the formations any bigger than they are.  3 bombers already deliver massive amounts of ordnance.  Grab a a squad-mate or countryman and take 2 sets of buffs. 

There are lots of bomber hunters in AH.  The P38 (it was designed as a bomber interceptor, ya know  ;) ), 190D-9/A-8, 109G-6/G-14/K-4, NiK2 "George", and a number of others.

The WWI server is there to provide air to air combat, over time I'm sure HTC will branch out.   

Title: Re: What AH needs at the moment
Post by: MORAY37 on March 19, 2011, 01:52:37 PM
After coming back to play for a bit after a long break, some things struck me as needed to evolve the game-play.

- Larger non-perk buff formations (4 or 5)
- More capable Bomber hunter (110 just doesn't cut it)

4 or 5 formation Buffs?  Like 3 doesn't do the job now?  1 formation of lancs can take down a Medium Base, by themselves.  Seems like you just want it to be even easier.

110 doesn't cut it?  You've got to be kidding....works just fine for me.  Maybe you should brush up on your tactics, and not just saddle up dead six.  :aok  Problem is, instead of working for your kills and getting the gunnery down, you want an easier ride to sit back on dead six and get easier kills.  Work on 110 3-9 hi lo attacks, switching up as often as possible.  Heck, you can tell when someone needs to switch gun positions..  there's a big hint right there.

  Only sit at dead six when you're shooting off the WgR's.....LOVE THOSE THINGS!  FORMATION SMASHERS!

Late War Tour 134
Kills by A8Moray in a
Bf 110G-2 by model type
Model Type    Kills    Percent
B-17G    6    12.500
B-24J    12    25.000
B-25C    4    8.333
B-26B    5    10.417
B-29    1    2.083
Boston III    2    4.167
F6F-5    1    2.083
FM2    1    2.083
Fw 190D-9    1    2.083
Il-2    2    4.167
Ki-84-Ia    1    2.083
La-7    1    2.083
Lancaster III    6    12.500
N1K2    2    4.167
P-47-D25    1    2.083
P-47M    1    2.083
Yak-9U    1    2.083
     48 Kills, 11 Losses   

But, that being said... the 410 definitely could find a place in my heart.

(http://ww2db.com/images/air_me410_3.jpg)
Title: Re: What AH needs at the moment
Post by: Becinhu on March 19, 2011, 02:57:49 PM
3 bombers is more than enough.  1 set of 17s can drop 4 hangers.  As for bomber hunters just about any fighter here can drop a set of buffs if you can aim for the vital areas.
Title: Re: What AH needs at the moment
Post by: LLogann on March 19, 2011, 09:04:07 PM
This wish needs an enema!!!
(http://tidewaterliberty.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/jokerjack.jpg)

EDIT.......... GD thread......  This discussion needs an enema!
Title: Re: What AH needs at the moment
Post by: RedDg on March 19, 2011, 09:43:04 PM
More cowbell !

(http://x-plane.org/home/RedDog/cowbell.gif)
Title: Re: What AH needs at the moment
Post by: JOACH1M on March 19, 2011, 09:50:15 PM
410 FTW  :rock
:aok
Title: Re: What AH needs at the moment
Post by: Mygg on March 21, 2011, 02:20:01 PM
Lots of assumptions here, at least I got the entertainment I asked for; whats that old saying?

“When you assume, you make an bellybutton out of u and me.”
~ Oscar Wilde (I think?)

But at least I didn't do the donkeys share of work in this thread  :cool:

Title: Re: What AH needs at the moment
Post by: MachFly on March 21, 2011, 02:25:47 PM
- Larger non-perk buff formations (4 or 5)

I don't really see a reason to have more than 3. You'll be waisting thous bombs anyways because they will drop to the side of the target.

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- More capable Bomber hunter (110 just doesn't cut it)

Try the following: F4U-1C, Spit14, Temp, P-47M, 152, and a 262.

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- WW1 Arena needs a proper "World" to interact with, it lacks the proper variables to even feel like DOA did (although its got much more potential).

+1, but right now it's just a dogfighting arena, I don't think HTC meant it to be anything more.