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Title: Italiano per favore
Post by: fullmetalbullet on March 20, 2011, 03:51:10 AM
Reggiane Re 2005.

specs

Crew: 1
Length: 873 cm (28 ft 7.7 in) ()
Wingspan: 1,100 cm (36 ft 1.1 in) ()
Height: 315 cm (10 ft 4.0 in) ()
Wing area: 20.4 m2 (219.6 sq ft) ()
Empty weight: 2,600 kg (5,730 lb) ()
Loaded weight: 3,610 kg (7,960 lb) ()
Powerplant: 1× Fiat R.A. 1050 RC 58 Tifone, (license built DB 605A-1), 1,475 PS (1,085 kW; 1,455 hp) [15] ()
Performance

Never exceed speed: 980 km/h (609 mph)
Maximum speed:

628 km/h (390 mph) at 2,000 m (6,600 ft),
678 km/h (421 mph) at 7,000 m (23,000 ft) [15]
Cruise speed: 515 km/h (320 mph)
Stall speed: 155 km/h (96 mph) ()
Range: 980 km (610 mi) on internal fuel (1,130 km (700 mi) w/ 300 L drop tank; 1,270 km (790 mi) w/ 300 L + 2 × 150 L drop tanks)
Service ceiling: 11,500 m (37,700 ft) ()
Rate of climb: 20 m/s (3,900 ft/min) (6,000 m in 6.5 min)
Wing loading: max. 177 kg/m² (36.25 lb/sq ft) ()
Armament


Guns:

2 × 12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT machine guns in upper cowling (350rpm);
1 × 20 mm MG 151 cannon firing through propeller hub (150rpm);
2 × 20 mm MG 151 cannon in wings (200rpm)
Bombs:

Underfuselage (non standard) hardpoint 1,000 kg (2,200 lb) bomb or 1 × 300 L (79.3 US gal) drop tank
Hardpoints on wings: 160 kilograms (350 lb) bombs or 2 × 150 litres (39.6 US gal) drop tanks

flame on please. hate it or love i dont care. but we do need more italian aircraft.

some pics of it i was able to find.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/92/Reggiane_Re.2005_Sagittario.jpg/300px-Reggiane_Re.2005_Sagittario.jpg)


(http://www.finn.it/regia/immagini/reggiane/re2005_01.jpg)

i understand that this has or may have been wished for before, but hey never hurts to have a reminder every once in a while.
Title: Re: Italiano per favore
Post by: Tyrannis on March 20, 2011, 04:09:35 AM
looks like a 109 with class  :aok
Title: Re: Italiano per favore
Post by: fullmetalbullet on March 20, 2011, 04:14:20 AM
looks like a 109 with class  :aok

it does have a daimler benz engine in it, produced under license by alfa romeo i believe the 2005 had a DB 605.
Title: Re: Italiano per favore
Post by: Tyrannis on March 20, 2011, 06:31:10 AM
it does have a daimler benz engine in it, produced under license by alfa romeo i believe the 2005 had a DB 605.
ya know now that i look at it a little closer...it reminds me more of a ki-61 thats had an italion remake.
Title: Re: Italiano per favore
Post by: TwinBoom on March 20, 2011, 12:54:12 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3mdRB10C1g (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3mdRB10C1g)
Title: Re: Italiano per favore
Post by: Imowface on March 20, 2011, 01:59:48 PM
not a good choice imo, as far as I know this plane didnt even see combat, if you want another C.205 I think our best bet is the G.55 (I am no biased I actually like the Reggiane design more then the Fiat or the macchi) (wing looks sexier)
Title: Re: Italiano per favore
Post by: Tyrannis on March 20, 2011, 02:06:41 PM
not a good choice imo, as far as I know this plane didnt even see combat, if you want another C.205 I think our best bet is the G.55 (I am no biased I actually like the Reggiane design more then the Fiat or the macchi) (wing looks sexier)
The plane's operational career began in May 1943, when it was assigned to the 362nd Squadrigia of the 22nd Gruppo. The unit was sent to Sicily at the time of the Allied invasion. Late in June it was based in Capua and used in operations against Allied bombers until 26 August 1943. When the armistice was signed in September, many of the surviving Re.2005s were destroyed by their pilots to prevent them from falling into German hands. Mussolini's forces in the north did manage to get six of these aircraft which they used as trainers. Some aircraft (as many as 13) were captured by the Germans. Some sources maintain that these aircraft were used late in 1943 against Allied bombing raids on Berlin. Others believe that these planes were used as interceptors in defence of the Romanian oil fields.

http://www.century-of-flight.net/Aviation%20history/photo_albums/timeline/ww2/Reggiane%20Sagittario.htm

Title: Re: Italiano per favore
Post by: fullmetalbullet on March 20, 2011, 02:29:00 PM
not a good choice imo, as far as I know this plane didnt even see combat, if you want another C.205 I think our best bet is the G.55 (I am no biased I actually like the Reggiane design more then the Fiat or the macchi) (wing looks sexier)

it did see some combat. and one italian pilot claims he shot down a B-24 over italy, but the USAF have no records of it. but it did see combat non the less.
Title: Re: Italiano per favore
Post by: EagleDNY on March 20, 2011, 02:33:44 PM
+1 on this - I'd fly it.  The wing does kind of remind one of a spitfire wing doesn't it?   Have to agree that we would be more likely to get the Fiat G.55 though.



Title: Re: Italiano per favore
Post by: fullmetalbullet on March 20, 2011, 02:37:00 PM
+1 on this - I'd fly it. The wing does kind of remind one of a spitfire wing doesn't it?  Have to agree that we would be more likely to get the Fiat G.55 though.





G.55 would be nice to have. although i dont particularly fly Italian planes i do admire the beauty of their aircraft.
Title: Re: Italiano per favore
Post by: Sakai on March 20, 2011, 03:08:11 PM
I have the livery of one 2005, from 362a Squadriglia (22 Gr., 42 St.) out of Sicily in 1943.  It's the dark olive scheme.  I can find that squadriglia operating 2005s only after the armistice, based then in Napoli.  Only 36 were built, the Germans considered it very highly.  I think about 29 or so were complete pre-armistice and very few of those flew any combat missions, having zero impact on the outcome.  It flew so sparingly, the data would be a total "what if" experiment. 

All data from: Dunnig, C. 1998. Courage Alone: The Italian Air Force 1940-1943.  Hikoki, Great Britain. 
Title: Re: Italiano per favore
Post by: fullmetalbullet on March 20, 2011, 03:15:08 PM
well what else besides the Re 2005 and G.55 did the italian airforce fly? i got alot of my info from military factory.com but idk if its got a complete list of aircraft that flew in WW2.
Title: Re: Italiano per favore
Post by: Imowface on March 20, 2011, 04:30:28 PM
Re.2001
Re.2002
C.200
C.r.42
Cant Z.506B
Cant Z.1007
S.M.79
P.108
G.50
G.55
S.M.82
 :)

edit: I left out the C.202 and the C.205 as we already have them in game
Title: Re: Italiano per favore
Post by: phatzo on March 20, 2011, 04:38:43 PM
Si
Title: Re: Italiano per favore
Post by: JOACH1M on March 20, 2011, 04:42:31 PM
Stats make it look like a hopped up 205, never heard of this plane.


+1
Title: Re: Italiano per favore
Post by: Imowface on March 20, 2011, 04:50:21 PM
Stats make it look like a hopped up 205, never heard of this plane.


+1
same engine as the 205, but imo ( could anyone back this up with scince?) the wing design of the Re series A/c is much better then the Macchis, but the 2005 is also 200lbs heavier the the 205
also, another thing to look at is that very few Italian A/c were built during the entire time up to their surrender, like the 2001, out of the 250 something of them built, 150 of them were the Re.2001 CN2 night fighters with 20mm wing guns replacing the 7.7mm's so though only 48 of the Re.2005 were built, you have to look at it from more of a service point of veiw (from which people tell me on here that it did see combat and squadron strength
Title: Re: Italiano per favore
Post by: JOACH1M on March 20, 2011, 06:43:04 PM
same engine as the 205, but imo ( could anyone back this up with scince?) the wing design of the Re series A/c is much better then the Macchis, but the 2005 is also 200lbs heavier the the 205
also, another thing to look at is that very few Italian A/c were built during the entire time up to their surrender, like the 2001, out of the 250 something of them built, 150 of them were the Re.2001 CN2 night fighters with 20mm wing guns replacing the 7.7mm's so though only 48 of the Re.2005 were built, you have to look at it from more of a service point of veiw (from which people tell me on here that it did see combat and squadron strength
Ic, just throwing this out there but the 109g2 was only 200pnds heavier then the 109f4, not much of a weight difference but it will make the turning radias bigger, but the engine power will make up for that
Title: Re: Italiano per favore
Post by: Imowface on March 20, 2011, 06:52:01 PM
thats the trick too it though, the 205 2005 and G.55 all have the same Alfa Romeo RA. 1050 ( DB605A) engine making 1,475hp, so, the wieght of the 2005 may hamper it over the 205, but, the 2005's better wing design (less wing loading) should help it overcome the extra fat, but out of the three "5 Series" planes, the G.55 has both the lowest wing loading and the lowest loaded weight
Title: Re: Italiano per favore
Post by: JOACH1M on March 20, 2011, 06:59:48 PM
thats the trick too it though, the 205 2005 and G.55 all have the same Alfa Romeo RA. 1050 ( DB605A) engine making 1,475hp, so, the wieght of the 2005 may hamper it over the 205, but, the 2005's better wing design (less wing loading) should help it overcome the extra fat, but out of the three "5 Series" planes, the G.55 has both the lowest wing loading and the lowest loaded weight
We wil never know unless we get it :noid

+1
Title: Re: Italiano per favore
Post by: Imowface on March 20, 2011, 07:01:05 PM
 :) we can only hope  :aok
Title: Re: Italiano per favore
Post by: alpini13 on March 21, 2011, 12:24:07 AM
LOL,well acording to italys national archive, yes virginia there is a santa claus(babo natale in italy) and yes it saw combat and yes it did shoot down enemy aircraft and yes the germans did use it in combat....but fuel was in short supply and mosy records were destroyed by anti fascists...does that mean it didnt have successes??  not at all. if a tree falls in the forest, the re 2005 still saw combat and still shot down aircraft.   at least more than the p-47N  and the ta- 152
Title: Re: Italiano per favore
Post by: Sakai on March 21, 2011, 05:33:39 AM
LOL,well acording to italys national archive, yes virginia there is a santa claus(babo natale in italy) and yes it saw combat and yes it did shoot down enemy aircraft and yes the germans did use it in combat....but fuel was in short supply and mosy records were destroyed by anti fascists...does that mean it didnt have successes??  not at all. if a tree falls in the forest, the re 2005 still saw combat and still shot down aircraft.   at least more than the p-47N  and the ta- 152

They flew, they were stationed in Sicily with the 362nd, likely to fight the Invasion.  The 2005 does not fill a huge need in the plane set though.  Not like modeling the excellent Fiat CR42 Falco would.