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Special Events Forums => Scenario General => Topic started by: Brooke on March 21, 2011, 04:03:47 PM
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OK, creative minds.
It's time for a patch design for Battle Over Germany.
Here are what past patch designs look like:
http://electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/patches/patchDesigns.html
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Could have sworn we had the start of this discussion already :)
Two thrown together ideas from that thread
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/BoG2.jpg)
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/BoG-1.jpg)
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Maybe put the Axis logos on top...... :bolt:
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I like the eagle/hawk one.
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I like the eagle/hawk one.
Same...and I also agree with K-KEN
:salute
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Doesn't matter if Axis is on top or not. We know what happened.
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The Eagle/Hawk patch is great as is. How I see it is very symbolic. You have the Bird (plane) associated with Germany above the Bird(plane yet again) associated with the US basically as if US Bombers/ German Fighters. The right/left is good for the East/West relationship between the two locations, Also the countries height relationship is good because the only American things in this scenario were the planes over Germany. Only thing I'd change would be to swab the Eagle/Hawk's colors with each other since there is no blue with germany's colors.
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Looks good, but patches are 3" in diameter, and thread is not that high a resolution.
The bird heads as drawn would not work, although an outline or solid shape might.
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how do we get one?lol
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Picky picky! :)
For you LW on top guys. Make your own! :) The thinking was the USAAF was flying from West to East so the Star was on the west side and the LW marking was on the east. The Luftwaffe was having to rise to meet the attackers. So the Eagle attacking and the Hawk rising to the fight seemed to make sense to me.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/BoG2-1.jpg)
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Picky picky! :)
For you LW on top guys. Make your own! :) The thinking was the USAAF was flying from West to East so the Star was on the west side and the LW marking was on the east. The Luftwaffe was having to rise to meet the attackers. So the Eagle attacking and the Hawk rising to the fight seemed to make sense to me.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/BoG2-1.jpg)
i like that one a lot.
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Picky picky! :)
For you LW on top guys. Make your own! :) The thinking was the USAAF was flying from West to East so the Star was on the west side and the LW marking was on the east. The Luftwaffe was having to rise to meet the attackers. So the Eagle attacking and the Hawk rising to the fight seemed to make sense to me.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/BoG2-1.jpg)
I'll take one please.
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My vote goes to the original w/ the birds' faces. The design looks badarse as hell while still retaining a lot of symbolism.
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My vote goes to the original w/ the birds' faces. The design looks badarse as hell while still retaining a lot of symbolism.
Brooke is the man to get them done, and his experience with it tells him the original birds won't work.
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However it ends up I will take one for sure.
Now the 1'st one if I can get it in a resolution to do a T-Shirt, I would love that.
:cheers:
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Why a hawk? I dont get it?
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The Eagle/Hawk patch is great as is. How I see it is very symbolic. You have the Bird (plane) associated with Germany above the Bird(plane yet again) associated with the US basically as if US Bombers/ German Fighters. The right/left is good for the East/West relationship between the two locations, Also the countries height relationship is good because the only American things in this scenario were the planes over Germany. Only thing I'd change would be to swab the Eagle/Hawk's colors with each other since there is no blue with germany's colors.
Hawks do not represent German planes. I dont understand where that is coming from. The E/W thing is good I reckon. The Allied symbol being on top can signify that in the initial engagement they are almost always above us. But to be fair, if you put the allies on the bottom it would also be correct for it would signify them running after a very frantic Split S.
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I'm not a fan of the birds. Too random. I'm also not too much a fan of the "4 quarters" split since it seems to have been done. Maybe not in every patch, but in a number of designs that weren't accepted on the forum review, it's a very common theme.
I don't know.. It's middle of the road for me (neither like nor hate) but tilted towards dislike more than like.
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Can we put a bomber or P51 and a German fighter silhouette in place of the birds/bombs?
And like Krusty said, maybe split it in the center with an upside down T Allied Fighter one side and Buff the other? 2 Axis on the bottom.
Another thought, make a bomber and fighter HO Bottom and Emblems top.
I am not a designer.
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/ ______________\
| | Buff | Fighter |
| |_____|_____ | |
| | Axis | |
| | Fighters | |
| \_________/ |
\____________ /
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That gives me a different idea... I'll play around in a few days with it
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Why a hawk? I dont get it?
Well I'll tell ya so you do :)
Way back when I was a kid, I built my first 109 model. It was a 109F flown by Werner Molders. The insignia on the nose was a Hawk from JG51. Way back when I was a kid and built my first P51 model, it was a 51B flown by Don Gentile and it had a boxing Eagle on it.
I didn't want to play favorites and just go with those two groups or specifically those insignia, so I went with a Hawk and and Eagle. So basically it was my putting a bit of my own history into the patch while staying accurate to a LW symbol and a USAAF symbol without pointing out either unit. Eagles fighting Eagles didn't work for me.
I also didn't put a silhouette of a 51 or a 109 or a B17 etc on the patch as that also would seem to be playing favorites so I went with the fuselage insignia as it covers all the birds involved.
In all honesty I did it quick just to be an example. I did the DGS patch and didn't want to replicate it, but used it as a basis since it also was the bomber war over Europe. If anyone else wants to jump in, so be it :)
Btw I was sorely tempted to go with the JG51 Weeping Pelican at one point :)
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Pelican.jpg)
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Btw I was sorely tempted to go with the JG51 Weeping Pelican at one point :)
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Pelican.jpg)
Now that's funny! :) I really like your designs, just had a thought but lack the skills to do anything about it on my own! :(
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Thanks to K-KEN I have the patch page saved.
Now stop yer bickering and get a patch designed. :)
I am useless at designing such things so I will just have to watch your valued efforts. :cheers:
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Now stop yer bickering
Don't you realize where you are? :rofl It's not bickering, it's just family being family.
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Let me know when there ready i would like to donate for two of them
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While I can't draw, I hope this idea is good enough for someone to put a rough draft together.
I have in mind a black ring outside saying 'Battle Over Germany 2011 AH Scenerio.' The inner portion/circle would have a B-24 pictured in a front profile with wings just beginning to encroach on the outer ring. Behind the 24' would be an image of Germany and her boarders, as if the b24 was breaking through. Behind Germany, the background would be split equally with red white and blue covering one half, and half of the German cross featured for the other. I believe a vertical split is best. All Around the 24 would be Luft planes all nose in on the 24 to represent an attack on her as she tries to escape German Airspace.
As for the finer details.. I dunno, but I hope this idea is liked.
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While I can't draw, I hope this idea is good enough for someone to put a rough draft together.
I have in mind a black ring outside saying 'Battle Over Germany 2011 AH Scenerio.' The inner portion/circle would have a B-24 pictured in a front profile with wings just beginning to encroach on the outer ring. Behind the 24' would be an image of Germany and her boarders, as if the b24 was breaking through. Behind Germany, the background would be split equally with red white and blue covering one half, and half of the German cross featured for the other. I believe a vertical split is best. All Around the 24 would be Luft planes all nose in on the 24 to represent an attack on her as she tries to escape German Airspace.
As for the finer details.. I dunno, but I hope this idea is liked.
I'm picturing this in my small brain, and it looks AWESOME!
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Everything up until "all around the B-24" sounds like a good patch. Putting other smaller planes around it won't work. The level of detail and resolution isn't available to pull that off. However, even without that it might make a decent design.
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Someone should do the art thing and give us a visual of that Krusty.
I can barely do stick figures.. this will require a bit more talent.
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Did anyone ever get this figured out??????
I would like one. Is this the right thread?
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OK, since we are into Rangoon, it's time to get things moving here. Here are the posted candidate images so far. (I know some folks posted ideas, but unless someone turns it into artwork, I can't take it further into the patch-production process.) Time to vote.
Which do you want?
A:
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/BoG2-1.jpg)
B:
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/BoG-1.jpg)
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Brooke, with your experience with the patches so far, would the wingtips and talons stitch out in clearly in "A" ?
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I'll vote "A"
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Brooke, with your experience with the patches so far, would the wingtips and talons stitch out in clearly in "A" ?
They probably wouldn't be exactly the same as the artwork. Some of the detail would need to be turned down, I think, when they make the artwork into stitching.
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I'll give you my proxy, I like "A" but if it globs up at the finer points when you get a sample, then B is a solid replacement. At least, so far as those submitted.
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I'll give you my proxy, I like "A" but if it globs up at the finer points when you get a sample, then B is a solid replacement. At least, so far as those submitted.
This.
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"B"
The more I look, the symbolism of the bombs dropping toward the German Icon...and never quite hitting the mark! Mark-get it? :rofl
Seriously, it does have some irony - bombs pointing to the German symbol. "B" for me, please.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/BoG-1.jpg)
danged spell-checker is broke.... :(
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B. The A patch's symbolism is incorrect. Makes no sense. Guess the bombs will have to work.
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B. The A patch's symbolism is incorrect. Makes no sense. Guess the bombs will have to work.
You didn't read my explanation previously or are you going to teach me Luftwaffe history? :)
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Thinking about it more, I do think it might be hard to get the resolution to do A well. They are both nice designs, but I think I'd vote for B based on that.
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I like B. It will look better when it comes out all stitched up
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Solid B
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b :D
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I don't know that a suggestion is in order but with "B" what about replacing one bomb with the siloutte of either the 109 or 190?
Boo
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I change my vote to B
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I don't know that a suggestion is in order but with "B" what about replacing one bomb with the siloutte of either the 109 or 190?
Boo
To late to change now...this is the vote for as you see it, A or B.
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A
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B
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B
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I lean B...how's that for definitive?
Boo
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B
and I will take one! :)
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as many votes as I can put for A. Still think it's the best
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A
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You didn't read my explanation previously or are you going to teach me Luftwaffe history? :)
SO you used 1 example of a Hawk that you saw. Why not use a cat, or lion, or lion with wings, or black circle, or Green heart, or weeping pelican, or black terrier, or a greyhound? See my point?
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You said it was incorrect, Guppy showed you where the idea came from, now you are complaining because it was only 1 example.
You, however, have offered nothing but criticism.
I'm sure you can see where this is heading. This is a Vote for a patch, vote and move on, or produce something you prefer for us all to vote on as well.
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SO you used 1 example of a Hawk that you saw. Why not use a cat, or lion, or lion with wings, or black circle, or Green heart, or weeping pelican, or black terrier, or a greyhound? See my point?
You do know who Werner Molders was don't you? If not, do a bit of reading, and then you'll understand my reference. I think the guys who know their Luftwaffe history will get it. Clearly you are missing the point.
This particular pilot
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f0/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-L09694%2C_Werner_M%C3%B6lders.jpg)
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Who is Molders?
I apologize.
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Let me know when there ready i would like to donate for two of them
Here ya go. I was a walk-on for 1 frame and sent in my $18
http://electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/patches/patches.html
The $18 should cover KCDitto's and mine, at least. :aok
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Who is Molders?
I apologize.
Pretty important dude.
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Thinking about it more, I do think it might be hard to get the resolution to do A well. They are both nice designs, but I think I'd vote for B based on that.
Experienced patch-maker, or maybe more correctly patch-orderer, suggests B, I'll defer to him.
My vote is B.
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Pretty important dude.
Only one bite? I have lost my touch at this game :(
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Only one bite? I have lost my touch at this game :(
Not going to swing at the hanging curve you just threw. It was just a bit outside! :)
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A
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C. Both choices seem bland compared to the others :cry
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A
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I don't feel they capture the essence of BoG. I can't use gimp enough to make it look like a patch, but what about something like a counter patch to BoB perhaps? Sure someone could do better than I.
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm162/jonjdoe/BoG-1.png)
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Dead Horse Beatings...$15.00 an hour.....Right over there -------------------------->
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I saw the other thread bumping this one. I had hoped there'd be some improvement over the ideas put forth as time went by, but I see they are still the same. I think they are somewhat uninspired and a little boring. Further, you can't get the fine detail on the hawk as mentioned.
I didn't have the time (at the time) to whip anything up, but now I have.
It shows the bombs raining down upon Germany as a mighty spearhead, with a red shield in place to stop them from harming the fertile green fatherland. The shield is held up by the fighters of the Luftwaffe, scrambling to altitude as fast as possible to intercept the enemy. The point where both meet erupts in lightning bolts symbolizing fierce battle of explosive nature.
The subtle use of red white and blue is reference to the US national colors, while the red white and black are subtle references to the German national colors. The text is on a ribbon scroll along the top and bottom, giving the patch a vertical nature. I wanted to get away from the round designs that are so common.
I put a lot of thought into it, and tried to load in several different meanings and references on multiple layers, but overall it's only as good as my execution.
So here's my patch idea, on 2 different backgrounds like I used to do when submitting patch ideas.
(http://i814.photobucket.com/albums/zz63/krustacious/BoG_patch1a.jpg) (http://i814.photobucket.com/albums/zz63/krustacious/BoG_patch1b.jpg)
The bombs are easy enough. I think the planes might just be possible, due to simplified shapes I gave them. The lightning and shield/spear ought to be doable. Overall I think it's technically possible, and it only has 7 colors.
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No response, huh? That bad? :devil
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Feb 2012 ? :)
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Feb 2012 ? :)
lol I noticed that.
Aside from the little date error, I do like the patch idea. Looks good without massive detail and it gives the impression he was seeking.
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Er... yes.... Feb 2012.... That's right.... :noid
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Er... yes.... Feb 2012.... That's right.... :noid
B.O.G. was in 2011.
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Krusty running that post count up! :)
Yes, it was 2011
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I know... I was simply trying to hide my mistake and make you think nothing was wrong :devil
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For what it's worth, keep in mind the costs Brooke is taking on for these things even with donations. The more complicated the design with shape and colors, the pricier it's probably going to get. Maybe he'll say different, but I know when thinking of having a patch done in a past scenario for my Group, the more colors and shape the more it cost.
The other thing I'd suggest, and it's just my opinion and worth nothing more then that, is to think of a pilot's A2 or B10 jacket when designing them. Would it look appropriate either as a shoulder patch or on the front of a pilot's jacket?
Again, just my opinion, but I think worth taking into consideration
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I had taken that into account Guppy. From past discussions I believe that Brooke said either 7 or 9 was the limit on unique colors for the price he was paying. I can't recall which, but I was at 7, so either way I think the colors are safe. The design isn't bad shape-wise, as it could still fit in a row of round circle patches, or be near "badge"-shaped patches, or where ever you want to categorize it. I think simply having every patch be round isn't a good thing.
I was kind of getting my inspiration from patches like:
(http://www.wingsavionics.com/shop_image/product/3017.jpg) (http://unionpatches.com/gallery/patches/aviation.jpg) (http://www.av8rstuff.com/gifs/114tomhawk.JPG)
You have valid points and I have tried to keep them in mind.