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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: LThunderpocket on March 22, 2011, 12:34:45 AM
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ive been flying it for the past few days and today ive really gotten the hang of it.Its so fun to put 50% fuel and all DTs,climb to 25k and circle,just looking for a poor ol' bomb**** to come in under me.ive gotten at least 150 kills today alone.
does anyone else enjoy this plane as much as me?
sorry if this is in the wrong section.
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hijacked :aok :lol ^
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but seriously the P47 line is a good group of planes. try the older D models, they're not the uber crotch rocket the M is but are wonderful in good hands and give you alot more perks per kill
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the P47D-11. is the sexiest of the jugs line.
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my oldladie has the sexyist jugs
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You know that DTs weigh a lot and are massive drag sources, right?
You're better off taking 100% and no DTs (or just the center if that) and will be faster, better able to retain speed and gain it back.
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You are just discovering the tip of the iceberg. But trust me, you ain't getting the hang of the Jug if you fly it above 25k because it excels there as much as the Ta-152 and maybe the Spit14. Fly it at 5k-10k and furball/BnZ with it then come back here :aok
This plane is my second skin in this game so its not a bad bird. Juggler will tell you the same.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/scores/genchart.php?p1=102&p2=40&pw=2>ype=0)
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wow 150 kills in one day?? whats your game name?
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wow 150 kills in one day?? whats your game name?
^this
thats is at least 50 sorties if you killed one set of bomber each time. And the climb to 25k ia about 10 mins so that is 500mins of game time in 1 hour and 34 mins and 54 seconds becuase you posted in the AM. I smell BS.
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ive been flying it for the past few days and today ive really gotten the hang of it.Its so fun to put 50% fuel and all DTs,climb to 25k and circle,just looking for a poor ol' bomber to come in under me.ive gotten at least 150 kills today alone.
does anyone else enjoy this plane as much as me?
sorry if this is in the wrong section.
Really? :t
JUGgler
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Really? :t
JUGgler
lol i thought the same thing
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47M not much better than the N. It's about 5mph faster if I recall, and unless you put 100% internal in the 47N it's going to handle about the same at any alt. They have the exact same engine. N had a larger wing but a bit more empty weight. Overall these 2 jugs are very similar.
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i'm still in love with the 47D11 :D
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47M not much better than the N. It's about 5mph faster if I recall, and unless you put 100% internal in the 47N it's going to handle about the same at any alt. They have the exact same engine. N had a larger wing but a bit more empty weight. Overall these 2 jugs are very similar.
Except the M has round wing-tips and was flown in Europe by the 56th...for some of us that makes all the difference.
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I blame the spitfire!!! Stupid rounded-tips fetish!!!
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I blame the spitfire!!! Stupid rounded-tips fetish!!!
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But don't most people fly the "Spitfire" with SQUARE wingtips Krusty? :noid
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I blame the spitfire!!! Stupid rounded-tips fetish!!!
:neener:
Oh, rounded-tips fetish. Misread it the first time.
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47M not much better than the N. It's about 5mph faster if I recall, and unless you put 100% internal in the 47N it's going to handle about the same at any alt. They have the exact same engine. N had a larger wing but a bit more empty weight. Overall these 2 jugs are very similar.
oops
JUGgler
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47M not much better than the N. It's about 5mph faster if I recall, and unless you put 100% internal in the 47N it's going to handle about the same at any alt. They have the exact same engine. N had a larger wing but a bit more empty weight. Overall these 2 jugs are very similar.
oops
JUGgler
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47M not much better than the N. It's about 5mph faster if I recall, and unless you put 100% internal in the 47N it's going to handle about the same at any alt. They have the exact same engine. N had a larger wing but a bit more empty weight. Overall these 2 jugs are very similar.
Well I will say this about your assesment--> Me in the "N"aughty JUG will PWN me in the "M"onster JUG CO-ALT CO-E and probably any other flight parameters ;)
Just saying :aok
JUGgler
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what are ya trying to tell us JUG :headscratch: :rofl
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what are ya trying to tell us JUG :headscratch: :rofl
lol...that he doesn't understand the idea that hitting the elevator button more than once won't make it go faster...or hitting the post button more than once when the forums are obviously having lag issues will register multiple posts... :rofl :lol :rofl :lol
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WOW it wouldn't post so I hit enter a couple times, and rewrote it a couple weird :( sorry :bolt:
DOH!
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JUGgler
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Me in the "N"aughty JUG will PWN me in the "M"onster JUG CO-ALT CO-E
Just saying :aok
Not disagreeing. Just pointing out how similar the rides are. When folks gush over the M they often overlook the also-nice N.
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Not disagreeing. Just pointing out how similar the rides are. When folks gush over the M they often overlook the also-nice N.
OTOH, the difference in speed on MIL power is more pronounced than the difference on WEP
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/scores/genchart.php?p1=102&p2=83&pw=0>ype=0)
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You are just discovering the tip of the iceberg. But trust me, you ain't getting the hang of the Jug if you fly it above 25k because it excels there as much as the Ta-152 and maybe the Spit14. Fly it at 5k-10k and furball/BnZ with it then come back here :aok
This plane is my second skin in this game so its not a bad bird. Juggler will tell you the same.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/scores/genchart.php?p1=102&p2=40&pw=2>ype=0)
Good plane :aok
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OTOH, the difference in speed on MIL power is more pronounced than the difference on WEP
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/scores/genchart.php?p1=102&p2=83&pw=0>ype=0)
I'm thinking again that weight is the problem. With 1000lbs extra weight you'll have to fly at slightly higher AoA creating a bit of drag.
If you'll notice those charts have the D40 outclimbing the 47N by a long mile, too. However that's with full internal fuel. You load the 47N with similar weight and it outclimbs the D40 noticably. I made a chart a long time back (long since lost) to illustrate that.
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Not disagreeing. Just pointing out how similar the rides are. When folks gush over the M they often overlook the also-nice N.
I agree!
With the "prefered" B&Z method of most MJUG flyers I'm suprised more of them don't fly the N for B&Z as it retains far more energy for the "skirt lift scramble back up the "timid ladder" to their perch!:)
JUGgler
JUGgler
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I know my squaddies who only occasionally fly jugs like the sustained climbrate of the -M over the -N. That's the attracting factor.
I like the D-11 personally, good perk farmer for me and for the way I fly it, the performance the higher models give has a negligible impact on my success. If I die in the D-11, I'dve died in an -M or -N. The only perk the higher models give me is getting to alt a bit faster.
Wiley.
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ive been flying it for the past few days and today ive really gotten the hang of it.Its so fun to put 50% fuel and all DTs,climb to 25k and circle,just looking for a poor ol' bomber to come in under me.ive gotten at least 150 kills today alone.
does anyone else enjoy this plane as much as me?
sorry if this is in the wrong section.
Oh yeah, I call Shenanigans. :lol
edit: Just checked the plane stats for tour 134. The most kills anyone has in the P-47M is 101.
Are you sure that 0 at the end of 150 is supposed to be there? :)
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the P47D-11. is the sexiest of the jugs line.
I cant stand having the right side of my face up against the canopy while looking through the gun sight. Otherwise, it is highly under-rated, it can maneuver with the P51D anytime.
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JUGgler is a chubby chaser.
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I agree!
With the "prefered" B&Z method of most MJUG flyers I'm suprised more of them don't fly the N for B&Z as it retains far more energy for the "skirt lift scramble back up the "timid ladder" to their perch!:)
JUGgler
JUGgler
Preferred method of most "M" juggers is pretty much the same as most Lgay sticks---ho...toodle off, come back, ho again. I refuse to fly em....like riding a jap bike
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except i never ho.if they try to ho me i just climb cause i usualy have ALOT more E
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I can't judge which is better (I don't think I've even flown a P47N yet), but it would be interesting to see performance charts for both, using the same exact fuel weight. Can you leave off the drop tank pylons in AH? I doubt a single P47N ever flew without them, given their super-long-range missions, but in AH, with same weight of fuel, it would be interesting to see which one performs better. My understanding is they both had the same R-2800 engine and GE CH-5 turbosupercharger. The test bed for both the YP-47M and XP-47N was the SAME P47C (according to Bodie). Some later P47Ns, apparently got a slightly newer R-2800-73 (still combat AC, non-combat P47Ns after that apparently got -77 and -81 engines). I don't know if that makes a difference, nor do I know which engine AH models.
unrelated, probably totally meaningless piece of data: Checking the late war stats for the current tour, the P47M and N K/D ratios are quite different. Any theories as to why?
P47D11: 1.32
D25: 1.17
D40: 0.73 (!!!?)
P47M: 1.40
P47N: 0.70 (!!?)
some other AC:
P51D: 1.26
P38J: 1.60
P38L: 0.62
me262: 7.26 (hehe)
yak-9U: 0.98
F4U-4: 3.03 (perk points making folks more timid perhaps?)
F4u-1D: 0.76
F4U-1C: 2.89
C-47: 0.04 (ok, huh? auger nearby perhaps?)
A-20G: 1.53
B24: 0.33
B29: 0.98
ME109G6:1.13
Chute: 642.00 huh? I get that you can't really get killed in a chute, but 642 kills by people in chutes???
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Try the D-25....My lady.
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I can't judge which is better (I don't think I've even flown a P47N yet)
You will never fully understand the JUG series without a complete appreciation of the "N"aughty lady!
The closest JUG to the N would be the D40 but the D40 can't walk in heels :) True class and style are defined in the minor details :D
JUGgler
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Are you sure that 0 at the end of 150 is supposed to be there? :)
:lol
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You will never fully understand the JUG series without a complete appreciation of the "N"aughty lady!
JUGgler
I haven't had the time to fly anything the last few months, but I too prefer the "N"(aughty) ride.
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I agree!
With the "prefered" B&Z method of most MJUG flyers I'm suprised more of them don't fly the N for B&Z as it retains far more energy for the "skirt lift scramble back up the "timid ladder" to their perch!:)
JUGgler
JUGgler
I love your way of words :lol I'll be flying the N model just to see if i can try and get a higher perch, rather than falling off it.
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Having said what I said earlier in this thread, I took the N out for a few sorties last night.
Of course, I wound up turnfighting a guy on the deck, and based on my familiarity with the D11 I believe he would've gotten me without the power I was able to use in a couple maneuvers with the -N. I see now it is somewhat different. And it definitely does zoom like something that zooms really well.
Legs for days, too. Full gas gave me something like 53 minutes on the deck after liftoff.
Wiley.
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unrelated, probably totally meaningless piece of data: Checking the late war stats for the current tour, the P47M and N K/D ratios are quite different. Any theories as to why?
P47D11: 1.32
D25: 1.17
D40: 0.73 (!!!?)
P47M: 1.40
P47N: 0.70 (!!?)
IMHO the most likely reason is that the P-47N can haul 2500lbs of bombs and 10 rockets and the M cannot.
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Having said what I said earlier in this thread, I took the N out for a few sorties last night.
Of course, I wound up turnfighting a guy on the deck, and based on my familiarity with the D11 I believe he would've gotten me without the power I was able to use in a couple maneuvers with the -N. I see now it is somewhat different. And it definitely does zoom like something that zooms really well.
Legs for days, too. Full gas gave me something like 53 minutes on the deck after liftoff.
Wiley.
You have to keep in mind on weight of the AC. D-11 is far lighter then the N. Also, you might want to consider a lighter eight gun or six gun package. I always take the six gun package to reduce weight.
I face up against all Jugs and the only one that gives me the most problem is the M
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unrelated, probably totally meaningless piece of data: Checking the late war stats for the current tour, the P47M and N K/D ratios are quite different. Any theories as to why?
P47D11: 1.32
D25: 1.17
D40: 0.73 (!!!?)
P47M: 1.40
P47N: 0.70 (!!?)
D11- mostly used a "perk farmer" with carefull drivers, I think explains its hi K/D
D25- used as a bomb truck, most of these kills are GV I would suspect, also explaining why its K/D is hi
D40- I think this JUG is the "indecisive" JUG No-one really knows what to do with it so they try to do everything, also it is nose heay and most lose any fight after dropping the eggs
M- Hi K/D is explained by the incredible lengths most will go thru to fly it like a total panzy :rofl again this is just my opinion
N- Low K/D is explained cause I fly below 500' and am "piled on" by most of the community at some point or another :aok for the most part!! I am the destroyer of the Ns K/D
JUGgler
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D11- mostly used a "perk farmer" with carefull drivers, I think explains its hi K/D
D25- used as a bomb truck, most of these kills are GV I would suspect, also explaining why its K/D is hi
D40- I think this JUG is the "indecisive" JUG No-one really knows what to do with it so they try to do everything, also it is nose heay and most lose any fight after dropping the eggs
M- Hi K/D is explained by the incredible lengths most will go thru to fly it like a total panzy :rofl again this is just my opinion
N- Low K/D is explained cause I fly below 500' and am "piled on" by most of the community at some point or another :aok for the most part!! I am the destroyer of the Ns K/D
JUGgler
I found that the performance of the N at that alt is poor. I could be wrong on that but i face up against the N many times at that alt.
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I found that the performance of the N at that alt is poor. I could be wrong on that but i face up against the N many times at that alt.
I believe most folks judge performance in terms of speed, acceleration, climb rate and turn ability. For me performance is far more subtle than this. I have an envelope my plane will "move around" in that includes all of the above plus a few more. The envelope for the "N" is bigger and more flexible IMHO!
I think you would be suprised to run in to a well flown "N" below 500' It just might turn you on ;)
:salute
JUGgler
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I also love the Jug. IT's such a big tasty target. Not like those small little Lalas and Spits or those darn multi target P38s, the Jug is one big solid bullet sponge. Tater meet Jug, Jug met Tater :devil
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Chute: 642.00 huh? I get that you can't really get killed in a chute, but 642 kills by people in chutes???
I shot a smoking T34/85 in the track once with the .45 and the turret flew off, one of the funniest things I have ever seen in AH
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For whatever reason, (ya can check plane stats), lotta folks use the N as a gv-popper. D40 would be far better choice--it climbs TONS faster with ord
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For whatever reason, (ya can check plane stats), lotta folks use the N as a gv-popper. D40 would be far better choice--it climbs TONS faster with ord
It really just depends on how much fuel a P47N takes in addition to the ords. A 47N with 50% fuel and ords would certainly outclimb a D40 with full fuel and ords.
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(50% fuel) N + wep mid 1900's feet per minute (this lasts ~ 5 min or so, takes 10 or so to cool off)
(Full fuel) D-40 + wep mid 1700's feet per minute
N sans wep 1100 feet per minute
D40 sans wep 1250 feet per minute
With N, if ya hit target with engine overheated, drop ord/lose alt, you have a big, fat, LOW plane with no extra horsepower--also, 75% gas in D40 would be better comparison
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Frankly, I like the M Jug as a B-29 killer - it is fast at high alt, 8 x .50s rip B-29s to shreds, and it has enough toughness to take fire from a B-29 and live. Have to agree with the poster earlier that many people fly it like a pansy tho - the "N"aughty flyers are usually loaded full of ord and taking it to a base down low which is why I think the K/D ratio is so much different.
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You're all missing the most obvious point and that is the "M" default paint sceme if far cooler than any other jug paint jobs. It is far more suave to fall out of the sky in a flaming hulk with cooler paint.