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Title: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: Wmaker on March 23, 2011, 09:01:42 PM
Kanttori has kindly allowed me to post some teaser shots of his upcoming second version of the Karelia map for AvA and SEA -arenas. The original Karelia debuted with the 2006 Stalin's Fourth -scenario. The map is made mainly for Continuation War -setups but can be used as a general easter front map aswell. This is a totally new version basically made from scratch except for the great 3D-objects made by Blauk. Kanttori worked couple weeks lot of the time literally around the clock to get this done.

Without further ado, here are the shots:

Map coverage:
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/Karelia1cb.jpg)

Soviet airbase near Leningrad:
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/Karelia1.jpg)

Kymi-airbase near the coastal city of Kotka:
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/Karelia2.jpg)

Soviet airbase in the island of Lavansaari, Gulf of Finland:
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/Karelia3.jpg)

Last but certainly not least, the city of Viipuri in all its glory:
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/Karelia4.jpg)
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: Rhah on March 23, 2011, 09:08:31 PM
 :O
Wow. that is a really well done map. Great work Kanttori  :salute
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: Imowface on March 23, 2011, 09:11:11 PM
that is the best AH map I have ever seen, no smily or words can say how mush I love it!
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: JOACH1M on March 23, 2011, 09:12:09 PM
Best map I've seen, dirt and grass runways
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: JunkyII on March 23, 2011, 09:34:23 PM
I want this type of stuff in the MA!!!
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: Debrody on March 23, 2011, 10:11:23 PM
wow  this is awsome...  +1, Junky
BIG <S> Kanttori
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: Ardy123 on March 23, 2011, 10:11:26 PM
WOWO cool we need that in the MA that would be soooo fun
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: lyric1 on March 23, 2011, 10:18:55 PM
 :aok
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: Oddball-CAF on March 23, 2011, 10:46:45 PM
Man, I see that and I wonder if I'm playin' the same game. How come we get stuck with
rinky dink crap and that's availlable? :)
  I love the dirt airfield the best!  AWESOME WORK! <S>

Regards, Odd
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: moot on March 23, 2011, 10:49:55 PM
Best I've ever seen too.  Someone had done some pretty impressive towns a few years ago but never anything this intricate.  Hat's off to Kanttori
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: ROC on March 23, 2011, 10:57:50 PM
 :aok 
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: kvuo75 on March 23, 2011, 10:59:24 PM
this map has been needed to be updated for awhile <S>! (or was that finrus)

but it still looks like Minnesota to me  :D


Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: 321BAR on March 23, 2011, 11:03:54 PM
that is the best AH map I have ever seen, no smily or words can say how mush I love it!
its definitely in my top 5 :aok
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: Slash27 on March 23, 2011, 11:24:25 PM
 :banana: <------that :aok
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: Volron on March 24, 2011, 12:03:46 AM
 :O :x
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: Raphael on March 24, 2011, 12:05:46 AM
OH MY GOD IT LOOKS AWESOME THANK YOU SIR!!!!
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: Plazus on March 24, 2011, 12:06:26 AM
Jaw dropping map! I like it!
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: mechanic on March 24, 2011, 12:08:03 AM
absolutely amazing  :O
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: SASMOX on March 24, 2011, 12:14:59 AM
Hmmm...now what was that scenario that used the Karelia map ........ ;)
:aok
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: AWwrgwy on March 24, 2011, 12:15:36 AM
Man, I see that and I wonder if I'm playin' the same game. How come we get stuck with
rinky dink crap and that's availlable? :)

Regards, Odd

Because you won't be able to find a fight.
Because you won't find a gv fight.
Because it's too far between fields.
Because everyone is hoarding somewhere.
Because someone is bombing the gv's.
Because there is no cv action.

What whines did I miss?

 :salute Beautiful looking map.
(The whines above do not apply)

What's it look like in lo-res?


wrongway
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: Warty on March 24, 2011, 12:16:21 AM
beautiful work!
 :salute
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: cactuskooler on March 24, 2011, 12:19:46 AM
I want airstrips like that everywhere!
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: DrBone1 on March 24, 2011, 12:55:29 AM
 :x OMG!!  very nice  :salute :salute
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: Imowface on March 24, 2011, 01:21:11 AM
anyone else feel that we should cut the Ma down to two countrys, and just use this from now on  :)
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: MarineUS on March 24, 2011, 01:27:46 AM
 :O :x :banana:
awesome!
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: morfiend on March 24, 2011, 02:58:45 AM
I want airstrips like that everywhere!


  Why Cactus,you headhunters would just spread assorted plane parts all over the place and make it look like a dump! :devil


  Absolutely beautiful work. :aok



    :salute
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: Noir on March 24, 2011, 03:04:02 AM
amazing  :aok I that really the same game?
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: waystin2 on March 24, 2011, 07:37:21 AM
Dah is butiful Dah!  :aok
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: Oldman731 on March 24, 2011, 07:42:27 AM
Superb, as were his earlier maps.

FinRus was always an AvA favorite and we have missed the map very much.  Please thank Kanttori and his little elves!

- oldman
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: Nefarious on March 24, 2011, 08:00:20 AM
Looks great! Can't wait for an FSO on this Map! <S>
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: kanttori on March 24, 2011, 09:43:51 AM
Thank You Bros!  :)

This new Karelia map is replacing 10 years ago released FinRus and 5 years ago released Karelia. This new terrain is now 256 x 256 miles, but I am going to large it later to 512 x 512 map. Then it contains the whole historical Finland and Russian frontlines during our Winter War and Continuation War 1939 - 1944. Coming soon out it is now on Skuzzy's table.
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: badhorse on March 24, 2011, 10:17:18 AM
Man, I see that and I wonder if I'm playin' the same game. How come we get stuck with
rinky dink crap and that's availlable? :)
  I love the dirt airfield the best!  AWESOME WORK! <S>

Regards, Odd

Are you kidding?  We've got the Baltic map. What more could a man ask.
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: Knite on March 24, 2011, 11:03:19 AM
I can't wait to see this. I loved the original so much it inspired me to make my first, and only, Aces High video years ago.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1YW45ncjv0


thanks Kanttori for the hard work!  :salute
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: pervert on March 24, 2011, 11:15:08 AM
Thats just awesome! I love the attention to detail and the way the coast lines are done looks very realistic!  :salute

The only criticism I'd have, and this goes for all the aces high maps is the transitions from land to sea, for some reason in this game the land looks very sharp where it meets the sea.
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: RTHolmes on March 24, 2011, 11:18:45 AM
looks fantastic :aok

just goes to show what the game engine is capable of ... which makes me wonder why the MA maps are so basic. :headscratch:



PS I hope you're going to get a few years free sub for all that work :)
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: B4Buster on March 24, 2011, 11:39:59 AM
WOW!  :O
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: kanttori on March 24, 2011, 11:56:37 AM
Thats just awesome! I love the attention to detail and the way the coast lines are done looks very realistic!  :salute

The only criticism I'd have, and this goes for all the aces high maps is the transitions from land to sea, for some reason in this game the land looks very sharp where it meets the sea.

Yes Pervert, I must to remove all 60 000 small ponds and lakes away from this terrain, because there are also any trees near the coastlines. I am waiting that HTC stuff repairs soon that visual problem. Those "cutted" coastlines are not beautiful and they also destroys very succesfully ther feeling of higness and beautiful landscapes. After this weakness is repaired I can update all the real waterways to this terrain of the thousand lakes!
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: ebfd11 on March 24, 2011, 11:58:31 AM
(http://www.mydisplayimage.com/aim/premium/hubba_hubba.gif) is all I can say

I just checked out the vid and ... I am drooling more for the terrain .. I vote we get this for MA
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: ink on March 24, 2011, 11:59:58 AM
awesome map :aok


when can we fly on it? offline?     would love to fly around on it.
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: Vudu15 on March 24, 2011, 12:02:45 PM
 :x BREWS UNITE!!!
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: pervert on March 24, 2011, 12:07:16 PM
Yes Pervert, I must to remove all 60 000 small ponds and lakes away from this terrain, because there are also any trees near the coastlines. I am waiting that HTC stuff repairs soon that visual problem. Those "cutted" coastlines are not beautiful and they also destroys very succesfully ther feeling of higness and beautiful landscapes. After this weakness is repaired I can update all the real waterways to this terrain of the thousand lakes!

Here's a quickly done sightseeing tour with the CM eye from the terrain:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5pNH9yObcM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5pNH9yObcM)

Oh my apologies for expressing an opinion  :lol, I will try in future to steer away from constructive criticism in these sorts of threads.

Its still 100 times better looking than other maps I've seen, again great work  :salute
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: pervert on March 24, 2011, 12:08:51 PM
Grr youtube has blocked the link based on copyright in my country from EMI for some reason  :mad: frigging youtube
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: kanttori on March 24, 2011, 12:08:54 PM
Here's the last beta-version to Offline check:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22264752/karelia%20beta05.rar (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22264752/karelia%20beta05.rar)
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: oakranger on March 24, 2011, 12:13:54 PM
Great Jobs guys.....i hope my map is as good as your.   :aok
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: ink on March 24, 2011, 12:19:06 PM
Here's the last beta-version to Offline check:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22264752/karelia%20beta05.rar (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22264752/karelia%20beta05.rar)


dude you are the man :salute

down loading now cant wait to fly on it,     


USRanger.........you should use your genius for a off line mission :D
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: Kermit de frog on March 24, 2011, 12:30:26 PM
Beautiful map!
No - no words. No words to describe it. Poetry! They should've sent a poet. So beautiful...



Here is a film Yucca made that shows the older version of this map.
Download (http://www.lgmfilms.net/AH/Films/STALIN.zip)

Other films of this beautiful map from way back in the day...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1YW45ncjv0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1YW45ncjv0)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZbpE8IvqN8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZbpE8IvqN8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJb6LqA0i2s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJb6LqA0i2s)


I can not wait to fight on this beautiful landscape.   :banana:
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: ink on March 24, 2011, 01:52:21 PM
Here's the last beta-version to Offline check:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22264752/karelia%20beta05.rar (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22264752/karelia%20beta05.rar)



I loaded up the map but every time I try to play it wont load it just goes back to the online/offline screen :headscratch:

should there be two files?    a res and FLA?        there is only one the RES.   

im gonna try to redown load it
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: Chilli on March 24, 2011, 02:14:16 PM
 :cheers: Sweet  :rock  No amount of thanks can say how much this is appreciated.  :salute
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: kanttori on March 24, 2011, 02:40:02 PM
It is just now available in the SEA I arena. Download it from there, please, it's the official release! I am going to be there making the aircraft setup soon.
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: whiteman on March 24, 2011, 02:41:48 PM
WOW, that is amazing!
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: ink on March 24, 2011, 02:52:49 PM
ya the first down load got screwed up, new one just finished I put in the correct folder now to go check it out :aok

I will return and give my opinion :D
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: Greebo on March 24, 2011, 02:53:07 PM
Beautiful map Kanttori, thanks for all your hard work.
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: Vapor on March 24, 2011, 03:53:56 PM
Great map. The detail is beautiful. The different airstips looks are spot on. More maps like this are really needed in the main arena too. Thanks to all the map, terrain, objects, skins, and sounds creators and producers. I can not imagine the amount of time and knowledge required.  :rock  :cheers:
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: Krupinski on March 24, 2011, 04:03:19 PM
I would pay for this map.
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: kanttori on March 24, 2011, 05:34:15 PM
A new sightseeing link, I hope it works: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NxXaRu3LI4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NxXaRu3LI4)

Download it fromthe  SEA I now, please! We have there just now a dogfight session, everybody are welcome!

PS. Knights is Finland and Germany, Bishops is Russian. Rooks can not fly, they're Swedish...  :rofl
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: Wmaker on March 24, 2011, 06:47:35 PM
Here are couple pics that show how Kanttori has made those airbases:

Kymi-airbase texture:
(http://www.llv32.org/kartat/kymi.jpg)

Heinjoki-airbase texture:
(http://www.llv32.org/kartat/heinjoki.jpg)

So the bases aren't figment of Kanttori's imagination but are based on wartime recon/aireal photography. IIRC there are currently 19 unique bases. The most important bases are authentic and then some of them like Suulajärvi base "double" as "general Soviet round airfield" on some less important locations. This due to the texture limitations of the current terraineditor/game engine. The textures are originally done as 1024x1024 and resized to the current rexture size of 512x512. So as soon as AH allows 1024x1024 textures, they are all ready done.


Oh my apologies for expressing an opinion  :lol, I will try in future to steer away from constructive criticism in these sorts of threads.

Hi Pervert,

I think there was a slight misunderstanding here. ;) Kanttori wasn't being sarcastic or anything. He was very much agreeing with you!

He had to remove a lot of small lakes/ponds because the current system wont let any trees to crow near water. :( Kanttori, me and you all agree on the coast lines. To have somewhat smooth transitions between water and land it would need those "whole coast long" beaches which in turn wouldn't be very realistic.
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: kvuo75 on March 24, 2011, 06:52:38 PM
that really is frickin cool.  :aok

that's attention to detail!
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: Brooke on March 24, 2011, 07:26:48 PM
Amazing, spectacular, and wonderous!
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: SmokinLoon on March 24, 2011, 07:38:02 PM
Wow.  Just wow!!!   :O

That has to be the most beautiful map ever made for AH.  It is too bad it will never see the light of day in the MA.  Too bad it cant somehow be converted.
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: steely07 on March 24, 2011, 07:39:04 PM
Beautiful!!! <S> Sir!
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: ink on March 24, 2011, 08:16:57 PM
yup Awesome :aok

this would so very cool for a MA map
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: mausil on March 24, 2011, 11:57:50 PM
 :O :O :O :O :O :O :O :OAMAZING JOB DUDE!!! :O :O :O :O :O :O :O
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: LCADolby on March 25, 2011, 12:57:37 AM
That's awesome!  :aok

Any chance of a version being modded for use in the MA?
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: pervert on March 25, 2011, 05:33:11 AM
Hi Pervert,

I think there was a slight misunderstanding here. ;) Kanttori wasn't being sarcastic or anything. He was very much agreeing with you!

He had to remove a lot of small lakes/ponds because the current system wont let any trees to crow near water. :( Kanttori, me and you all agree on the coast lines. To have somewhat smooth transitions between water and land it would need those "whole coast long" beaches which in turn wouldn't be very realistic.

60000!! I thought it had to be a bit of sarcasm to be honest wow thats a lot  :eek:, I wish HTC would give guys like Kanttori and other map makers the tools to do this more easily was more what I was getting at, apologys for my hasty response or if I have offended anyone  :salute

The attention to detail really is on a different planet here, it must have been a real labour of love we are lucky to have such talent in the game!  :salute :salute
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: OOZ662 on March 25, 2011, 05:54:23 AM
I'm extremely happy to see this terrain remade. One of my favorite (if not most soul-crushing) moments in all of my AH career was in the Stalin's 4th scenario, rushing past the castle on the bridge toward the maproom in an M3, minutes before the frame was to end...the enemy took a field, breaking our chain of supply, but if I could take the city, we'd have two supply sources and nothing would be lost. Came to a screeching halt with the door swung open, unloaded troops, last one in with 30sec left in the frame...and nothing. Later viewing showed ONE bunker (the scenario's version of town buildings) had been left up because a bomb crater had covered it and made it look destroyed, which means you could have sneezed on it and blown it down. We lost over half our progress in the frame and never got back on track to the designed objectives.

That event was amazing.
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: BoilerDown on March 25, 2011, 08:33:39 AM
Holy @#$% nice.
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: Shuffler on March 25, 2011, 09:59:10 AM
Speechless.
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: Have on March 25, 2011, 10:02:59 AM
The first chance to see this map in action is tonight at 3PM EST, when we run the "Sturmovik" special event.

See more details from here:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,309580.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,309580.0.html)
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: kanttori on March 25, 2011, 12:19:29 PM
Very many Finns are on the annual meeting in this weekend and they're flying this snapshot as Finns together. I hope that there are coming many players and join to Red Stars bombing the Finnish Airfield A44 down!
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: Molsman on March 25, 2011, 05:26:53 PM
very excellent work here cant wait to fly on it

<S>
<S>
<S>
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: fudgums on March 25, 2011, 06:52:51 PM
Can someone hit me up with a link for download? Takes about 6 hours to download it through the ingame autoloader  :(


PS.
Can anyone else say, Stalin's Fourth?
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: rabbidrabbit on March 25, 2011, 07:18:41 PM
Exceptional work!

I'd really like to see more of this high quality stuff in the MA's.
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: sparow on March 25, 2011, 07:25:48 PM
Thank you Kanttori.

My favourite map has got even better. I miss flying it in AvA without icons.

<S>
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: Zoney on March 25, 2011, 07:29:54 PM
OMG!  Fan-effin-tastic.  Thank you for your hard work sir,  :salute
Title: Re: The new coming of Karelia (56k warning)
Post by: HellFire on March 25, 2011, 07:33:32 PM
TY Kanttori for the great terrain ... well done  ... I d/l'd the 1st link for online/offline Karelia map ... everything works fine ...flew arnd & checked it out, kudos on a job well done  :aok  :banana:  :cheers: