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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Rob52240 on March 26, 2011, 08:42:06 PM
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I think the M18 Hellcat Tank Destroyer would be a nice addition to the game
60mph Top Speed
76mm High Velocity Anti Tank Gun
Open Turret
Made By Buick
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Waits for Bar... :uhoh
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:x :aok :ahand :cheers: :bolt: :noid
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Bar, what are you going to do if we get it and it sucks? :neener:
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Bar, what are you going to do if we get it and it sucks? :neener:
:cry :bolt: :bhead
^this
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lol
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Although I asked for it, I won't use it if it sucks but with it's speed and gun I'm sure it would it's niche.
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Although I asked for it, I won't use it if it sucks but with it's speed and gun I'm sure it would it's niche.
I know, it was a joke.
+1
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I didnt like the panther when they first added it but I do now, I still think it's overpriced though.
You just have to sit way back cause its seriously weak up close
I dont think I'll have trouble with the m18
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Though would the M-18 be perked? Yes, It does have a great gun and great speed. But, It lacks Armour and can easily be vulched by any aircraft with a 50cal+.
Ace
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all of BAR's emoticons are reminding me of something......
oh yes, we will all be like :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :bhead :bhead :bhead :furious :furious :furious :joystick: :joystick:
and BAR in his new hellcat will be like :banana: :banana: :banana: :neener: :neener: :airplane: :airplane: :rock :rock
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If HTC continues on its current trend when assigning top speeds of AH gv's, the M18 Hellcat will have a 50mph top speed.
Do people realize that the M8 Greyhound had more armor up front than the M18 does??? The most armored place on the M18 is the front of the turret with 44mm of armor (25mm on actual turret and 19mm from the mantlet). Otherwise the front of the hull of the M18 had 13mm of armor. Yes, I said 13mm. The M8 Greyhound had 16mm.
So basically, the M18 will be an M3 (M3 = 48mph) running around with a big gun. While I'll vouch for any new gv that will fill a gap (the high mph/hvy AP firepower slot is currently void), a remodeled M3 and corresponding 4-5 variants might go further. :aok
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*SMACKS* SmokinLoon with a herring up the side of the beak. Don't disrupt the
M18 quest.
M18.....Beau
Keep with the program.
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If HTC continues on its current trend when assigning top speeds of AH gv's, the M18 Hellcat will have a 50mph top speed.
Do people realize that the M8 Greyhound had more armor up front than the M18 does??? The most armored place on the M18 is the front of the turret with 44mm of armor (25mm on actual turret and 19mm from the mantlet). Otherwise the front of the hull of the M18 had 13mm of armor. Yes, I said 13mm. The M8 Greyhound had 16mm.
So basically, the M18 will be an M3 (M3 = 48mph) running around with a big gun. While I'll vouch for any new gv that will fill a gap (the high mph/hvy AP firepower slot is currently void), a remodeled M3 and corresponding 4-5 variants might go further. :aok
DIE HERETIC! :furious
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I think Bar is sub-contracting out his wishes now :neener: :lol :aok
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DIE HERETIC! :furious
:rofl
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my only surprise is this thread isn't owned by BAR
and +1 to this, I'd like to see how people will 'game the game' with this tank
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my only surprise is this thread isn't owned by BAR
and +1 to this, I'd like to see how people will 'game the game' with this tank
I'm sure he is tried for requesting the M18, he does it only ones a week now.
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if we add m18 have to even it up with jadgapanzer tank desroyers but m18 would be great start
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if we add m18 have to even it up with jadgapanzer tank desroyers but m18 would be great start
Even it up??? I think people forget that the M18 has armor like the M8 Greyhound. The M18 may have the speed of the M3 half track and the same gun of the 76mm M4A3 (W) Sherman, but it does have a huge weakness in its very thin armor. If HTC ever adds it to the line up, it will almost certainly need to be used in conjunction with other armored units. Oh, and dont forget the open turret. A quick burst from a fighter and that M18 tank destroyer just became a mule.
I think the M18 will be a huge disappointment to many people if and when it is ever added. Granted, it would fill in the "fast/powerful" gap that is currently void, but there might be other AFV's worth adding first. ;)
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ok m18 didnt have armour like german tank destroyers but it had a fully traversing turret and was faster
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well...i can see it now...
OMG!!! MY M-18 GOT VULCHED BY A P40-B 20 TIMES!!!!!!!!!!
:bhead :bhead
sure its got a gun and speed but its got no armor and a C202 could kill it...
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+1
I'll love to see every one crying it out cuz it sux, the only good thing about the M18 was the speed and the gun and worked back then cuz the alied got air control, and it wasn't alone, but in here a single M-18 is goin to be a better target than a m3, even the spit I can out turret that thing, and a few hits from an M8 can kill it, so agains the medium tanks in here is just 1 thing.. dead meat, 1 ping kill.
btw...
IS-2!!!
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+1
I'll love to see every one crying it out cuz it sux, the only good thing about the M18 was the speed and the gun and worked back then cuz the alied got air control, and it wasn't alone, but in here a single M-18 is goin to be a better target than a m3, even the spit I can out turret that thing, and a few hits from an M8 can kill it, so agains the medium tanks in here is just 1 thing.. dead meat, 1 ping kill.
btw...
IS-2!!!
IS-2??? No no no. You misspelled "Su-100". Try it with me: S u 1 00. OK? :aok
There were 3400+ IS-2's produced. Keep in mind that the IS-2 only carried 28 rounds of ammo and had about a 10 second reload rate. The 122mm cannon was in the same category as the 17 Pdr, Panther's 75mm, and Tiger's 88mm. So it would be a slower moving and slower firing Tiger, oh and dont forget the high maintenance (very low ammo count).
The Soviets produced 2300+ Su-100's. Like the IS-2's 122mm gun, the 100mm gun is on par with the 17 Pdr, Panther's 75mm, and Tiger's 88mm, but it also had a very slow reload rate at around 10 seconds between shots. It had similar armor to that of the Panther tank: strong up front, average on the sides. It did have good speed for such a big TD at 30mph, but it lacked a single MG for defense vs infantry. Oh, and it carried 34 rounds of AP. It is one of the few TD's that left the HE behind in most cases.
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well...i can see it now...
OMG!!! MY M-18 GOT VULCHED BY A P40-B 20 TIMES!!!!!!!!!!
:bhead :bhead
sure its got a gun and speed but its got no armor and a C202 could kill it...
you have negative comments on everything huh?
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you have negative comments on everything huh?
its not negative its just that i dont like the idea...you didnt get what i was saying when i posted that, did you?
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IS-2??? No no no. You misspelled "Su-100". Try it with me: S u 1 00. OK? :aok
There were 3400+ IS-2's produced. Keep in mind that the IS-2 only carried 28 rounds of ammo and had about a 10 second reload rate. The 122mm cannon was in the same category as the 17 Pdr, Panther's 75mm, and Tiger's 88mm. So it would be a slower moving and slower firing Tiger, oh and dont forget the high maintenance (very low ammo count).
The Soviets produced 2300+ Su-100's. Like the IS-2's 122mm gun, the 100mm gun is on par with the 17 Pdr, Panther's 75mm, and Tiger's 88mm, but it also had a very slow reload rate at around 10 seconds between shots. It had similar armor to that of the Panther tank: strong up front, average on the sides. It did have good speed for such a big TD at 30mph, but it lacked a single MG for defense vs infantry. Oh, and it carried 34 rounds of AP. It is one of the few TD's that left the HE behind in most cases.
I'll love to see the SU-100 here too like the Stug III, but the IS-2 even is slower he got more cons, 4 MG's for self defense, better armor, a turret, looks cool, and remember the IS-2 is a heavy tank, and the SU-100 is a tank destroyer, not the same.. im just asking for a soviet heavy tank :)
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We should be good as soon as we get a tank that's in the tank destroyer archetype.. Above average speed, top tier gun, above average armor in the front.
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We should be good as soon as we get a tank that's in the tank destroyer archetype.. Above average speed, top tier gun, above average armor in the front.
The JagdPanzer IV with the Stu.K.42 L/70 (same as the Panther's Kw.K L/70 but w different mount) fits that bill perfectly albeit a 25mph speed. Reload rate was very good too, 1 round every 5 seconds. It carried 57 rounds of AP and the gun could traverse 20 degrees either way. Frontal armor was 80mm at a 40 degree slope. The Germans produced 930 of them.
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its not negative its just that i dont like the idea...you didnt get what i was saying when i posted that, did you?
if you say so :rolleyes:
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We should be good as soon as we get a tank that's in the tank destroyer archetype.. Above average speed, top tier gun, above average armor in the front.
I don't think there are a lot of tank destroyers that meet your archetype.
wrongway
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if you say so :rolleyes:
what im simply saying is that if we perked it (which would be completely stupid) people would whine about loosing 10 perks coz its got wet paper tissues as armor. a well aimed 37mm from a M8 would kill it.
we really dont need an underarmored fast moving high powered gun because, how would that help in any way possible? sure it could fill in a gap in the AvA or FSO every once in a while but nobody would use it if there were planes with guns above them.
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I don't think there are a lot of tank destroyers that meet your archetype.
wrongway
I don't know anything about tanks historically. What I'm thinking of is whatever vehicles that'd add variety to the current ground battle. Looking thru Tarrif.net database..
Panzerkampfwagen V Ausf. G "Panther" - 28.75 mph. we got this one
Panzerkampfwagen V Ausf. D (A1) "Panther" - 34 mph, 75mm KwK 42 L/70. unless I'm mistaken that's same gun as Panther G's. Armor is the same except 10mm more than G model's 100mm turret front. So faster and a little more armor than the G we got. Why did we get the G?
Panzerkampfwagen V Ausf. A (A2) "Panther"- same speed as our Panther G - redundant
Panzerkampfwagen VI Ausf. B "Tiger II" - 24 mph, too slow
Jagdpanzer 38(t) "Hetzer" - 26 mph, too slow
Jagdpanzer IV / 48 - 25 mph, too slow
Jagdpanzer IV / 70 (A) - 24 mph, too slow
Jagdpanzer IV / 70 (V) - even slower
StuG III Ausf. F - 25 mph
StuG III Ausf. G - same
StuG IV - even slower
Jagdpanther - 34 mph 88mm Kw.K.43 L/71 with 10x, 7° sight. Same armor as the Panther G.
is that gun any good? Doesn't look like the same 88 as our Tiger. It looks like it's got better ballistics and significantly more penetration.
Jagdtiger - too slow
Marder II Ausf. D/E 34 - little armor and not that fast to offset it.
Sd.Kfz.234/2 (8 Rad) "Puma" - 50mph: Slower than M8 and gun looks similar - redundant.
Sd.Kfz.234/4 (8 Rad) - 50 mph, 75mm PaK 40 L/48: Same speed, better gun, worthwhile? It ain't pretty.
M18 Hellcat - 50mph, 76mm M1A2 L/55 with 5x, 13°
Armor Piercing Composite Rigid seems like only round competitive with Jagdpanther gun. Barely any armor but very good speed advantage.
M36 - 26mph, too slow
So it's either M18 or Jagdpanther. The Jagdpanther's very slow but the optics and gun look like in a class of their own. The Pz.V Ausf. D (A1) Panther looks good but too redundant with the G we just got.
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:D
I think Bar is sub-contracting out his wishes now :neener: :lol :aok
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what im simply saying is that if we perked it (which would be completely stupid) people would whine about loosing 10 perks coz its got wet paper tissues as armor. a well aimed 37mm from a M8 would kill it.
we really dont need an underarmored fast moving high powered gun because, how would that help in any way possible? sure it could fill in a gap in the AvA or FSO every once in a while but nobody would use it if there were planes with guns above them.
It would be better than the 17 pounder anti tank guns found at ports and vehicle bases
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It would be better than the 17 pounder anti tank guns found at ports and vehicle bases
yeah but why not just up a regular sherman or panzer?
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If HTC continues on its current trend when assigning top speeds of AH gv's, the M18 Hellcat will have a 50mph top speed.
Do people realize that the M8 Greyhound had more armor up front than the M18 does??? The most armored place on the M18 is the front of the turret with 44mm of armor (25mm on actual turret and 19mm from the mantlet). Otherwise the front of the hull of the M18 had 13mm of armor. Yes, I said 13mm. The M8 Greyhound had 16mm.
So basically, the M18 will be an M3 (M3 = 48mph) running around with a big gun. While I'll vouch for any new gv that will fill a gap (the high mph/hvy AP firepower slot is currently void), a remodeled M3 and corresponding 4-5 variants might go further. :aok
M18 had 25mm of frontal hull armour or so I thought.
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M18 had 25mm of frontal hull armour or so I thought.
The M18 has 13mm armor all the way around the hull. The front of the turret had 25mm, and that is also supplemented by 19mm from the gun mantlet.
The M18 Hellcat and the M8 Greyhound have ultimately the same amount of armor with a slight edge going to the M8's front hull armor at 16 and 19mm, and a respectable 25mm edge going to the M18's front turret. Either way, both are toast when any AP round impacts anywhere from any tank at any feasible range. The only hope the M18 has is to fire and kill the enemy tank before the enemy tank has a chance to fire.
The speed and team work induced flanking shot is where it will be at for the M18. Working alone, I have a hard time seeing it being successful.
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That's right, the M18 isn't just fast but has the advantage of a turret rather than fixed gun, over the other destroyers listed above.
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Wouldn't these Tank destryoers would render the tanks obsolete?
A firefly, Panther, T-85, even a panzer can each kill every tank in the game (exception Tiger) with one shot. So killing a destroyer isn't really easier, because it still take one shot to kill it. But 60mph top speed is a game changer isn't it. Dropping an egg would be easier because you could miss by a bigger amount and still kill a destroyer, and maybe a whirble could kill it easier than it kills a tank. But with destroyers in the game, who's going to to take a tank?
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Wouldn't these Tank destryoers would render the tanks obsolete?
A firefly, Panther, T-85, even a panzer can each kill every tank in the game (exception Tiger) with one shot. So killing a destroyer isn't really easier, because it still take one shot to kill it. But 60mph top speed is a game changer isn't it. Dropping an egg would be easier because you could miss by a bigger amount and still kill a destroyer, and maybe a whirble could kill it easier than it kills a tank. But with destroyers in the game, who's going to to take a tank?
Won't an M-18's 76mm rounds bounce off as much as an M-4's 76mm rounds?
:headscratch:
wrongway
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Won't an M-18's 76mm rounds bounce off as much as an M-4's 76mm rounds?
:headscratch:
wrongway
Considering that they are the same ammunition (M79 AP) ... ... yeap. :D So again, the M18 would almost be regulated to squad tactics because the 50mph speed would have to exploited. In a 1v1 situation it is a sitting duck.
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The speed and team work induced flanking shot is where it will be at for the M18. Working alone, I have a hard time seeing it being successful.
you've never seen me in an M8 have ya? :D
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you've never seen me in an M8 have ya? :D
"c'mon guys, let's storm the v-base!!!!"
BAR drives with the hammer down, straight into the enemy v-base, and spots a panzer
ping..... ping...... ping..... ping..... ping......
"i tracked him!"
the panzer gets his turret around
KA-BOOM
BAR in the tower: "yeah i ran outta ammo, or else i would have gotten him"
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all of BAR's emoticons are reminding me of something......
oh yes, we will all be like :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :bhead :bhead :bhead :furious :furious :furious :joystick: :joystick:
and BAR in his new hellcat will be like :banana: :banana: :banana: :neener: :neener: :airplane: :airplane: :rock :rock
:D really who? :angel:
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Won't an M-18's 76mm rounds bounce off as much as an M-4's 76mm rounds?
:headscratch:
wrongway
I must be mistaken. I thought the hellcat had the Firefly gun.
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I still want to see the m-18, might not change the game at all, and there may be other tanks that should be added first, I just want to see it one of these days.
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"c'mon guys, let's storm the v-base!!!!"
BAR drives with the hammer down, straight into the enemy v-base, and spots a panzer
ping..... ping...... ping..... ping..... ping......
"i tracked him!"
the panzer gets his turret around
KA-BOOM
BAR in the tower: "yeah i ran outta ammo, or else i would have gotten him"
look at my list of M8 kills in the last tour buddy :aok :D :bolt: :ahand
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nah, the Americans were not interested in fitting a foreign gun on anything. It used the 76mm high velocity gun.
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nah, the Americans were not interested in fitting a foreign gun on anything. It used the 76mm high velocity gun.
Hispanos are on the F4U1C
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look at my list of M8 kills in the last tour buddy :aok :D :bolt: :ahand
6? :banana:
wrongway
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6? :banana:
wrongway
:rofl :aok
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6? :banana:
wrongway
and how many deaths? :aok the 6 was one run and i died the second time from a camper. an hour of driving and that isnt bad :lol look into past tours (not all of them) and you'll see similar streaks pop up for me. If i videoed my T34/76 runs you'd notice i can pull off shoot and scoots in them well also (i just hate being camped...)
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The M-18 is just the M3 halftrack with a 75mm, right?
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The M-18 is just the M3 halftrack with a 75mm, right?
:( :cry :bolt:
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The M-18 is just the M3 halftrack with a 75mm, right?
Maybe. But i do know that it is another target for me in my P-47D-25. :aok
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im happy we have the M3 soon but... its no M18 :ahand
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im happy we have the M3 soon but... its no M18 :ahand
Keep on wishing, we will get it.
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Keep on wishing, we will get it.
oh trust me i will be
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The M-18 is just the M3 halftrack with a 75mm, right?
(http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lbwdevoVmm1qa02x4o1_400.jpg)
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(http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lbwdevoVmm1qa02x4o1_400.jpg)
you know its bad when the makers of the game try to troll you. but i just took it as a joke so joked back :lol :aok
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and how many deaths? :aok the 6 was one run and i died the second time from a camper. an hour of driving and that isnt bad :lol look into past tours (not all of them) and you'll see similar streaks pop up for me. If i videoed my T34/76 runs you'd notice i can pull off shoot and scoots in them well also (i just hate being camped...)
the T34/76 isnt that bad of a vehicle in this game...it can take out a pazer/sherman in 1 hit if you hit the right area, the sides and back.
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the T34/76 isnt that bad of a vehicle in this game...it can take out a pazer/sherman in 1 hit if you hit the right area, the sides and back.
and this means that you can easily get kill streaks with the lowest reload time for a tank, a low velocity gun, with only speed as an advantage?
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and this means that you can easily get kill streaks with the lowest reload time for a tank, a low velocity gun, with only speed as an advantage?
for gods sake...
im saying the t34/76 isnt the worst but its not the best. you have to argue everything with me dont you? the gun, reload time or speed doesnt count for crap its just the way you use it. :rolleyes:
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for gods sake...
im saying the t34/76 isnt the worst but its not the best. you have to argue everything with me dont you? the gun, reload time or speed doesnt count for crap its just the way you use it. :rolleyes:
actually... everything counts in GVing and how you use it...
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I think that the T-34/85 is a good tank and the /75 is a decent tank with some things that set it apart from most tanks in positive ways as well as negative ways.
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for gods sake...
im saying the t34/76 isnt the worst but its not the best. you have to argue everything with me dont you? the gun, reload time or speed doesnt count for crap its just the way you use it. :rolleyes:
actually... everything counts in GVing and how you use it...
I think that the T-34/85 is a good tank and the /75 is a decent tank with some things that set it apart from most tanks in positive ways as well as negative ways.
Lets all just use the M475!!!