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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: CAP1 on March 31, 2011, 09:56:03 AM
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that's what it cost me to fill my dakota today. :bhead
that is all.
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Already half full was it?
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Already half full was it?
:lol
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is that all? my F150 has a 37 gallon tank at 3.69 a gallon for regular add that up and its 136.53 if its on E to refill it, i never get below half a tank before i add more
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Already half full was it?
almost empty. i wasn't paying attention, and the light came on last night. i rarely let it go below half........
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don't get me started on gasoline prices...there is absolutely not reason for anything over $2 besides greed.
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$3.99 a gallon here, and that's the lowest price I could find.
Most prices are around $4.05 or so.
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Drive less, play AH more...
Strip
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I'm still rather impressed that you mine something out of the earth on the other side of the planet, ship it over an ocean, refine it, ship it out to a distribution network and I can still buy a gallon of the stuff for under $5.
That being said this $4/gal has got to go. :)
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don't get me started on gasoline prices...there is absolutely not reason for anything over $2 besides greed.
and Taxes... Oh wait, I think that may be covered by greed.
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I'm still rather impressed that you mine something out of the earth on the other side of the planet, ship it over an ocean, refine it, ship it out to a distribution network and I can still buy a gallon of the stuff for under $5.
That being said this $4/gal has got to go. :)
Makes you wonder how much of the cost of shipping it is linked to the cost of fueling the truck/train/airplane/cargo ship that brings it?
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Makes you wonder how much of the cost of shipping it is linked to the cost of fueling the truck/train/airplane/cargo ship that brings it?
you would think the petroleum companies would get the idea they are causing their own problems...increased fuel costs equal increased transportation costs which in turn increases production costs and joe consumer has to pay the price for it...but then how do you bill yourself for a business expense that you control the costs on?
and Taxes... Oh wait, I think that may be covered by greed.
:lol i should have worded that differently...no reason besides greed to justify the outrageous costs.
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Gas price are 1.32/L 'round here. That's equivalent to 4.98/us gal for those of you who are metric disabled. :lol
Cost me 50 bucks to fill my small toyota :bhead. If you think gas price are out of hand, look at the pricing of many common household items like cars, tv and other apparels like that. Even though the CAD is almost the same value as USD, I must pay up to 30% more than us citizen because they didn't change the price when CAD went up. Right now Canada is like a big milk cow for company all over. But hey! It's not like we have the choice...
Edit : my brother own a toyota tundra. It's always over 100$ when he goes to the pump.
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About 100 euros here to fill my audi A4... :cry
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Makes you wonder how much of the cost of shipping it is linked to the cost of fueling the truck/train/airplane/cargo ship that brings it?
Sure does :).
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lol i would like to add that i went today to fill the tank the rest of the way up and regular is now 3.78 up 9 cents sense sundays price of 3.69
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Just fueled my 1998 Ford F150 4X4 up this morning $85.00 ..not good at 12 mpg
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2008 Duramax 2500 Diesel...125$ to fill yesterday...even with the chip set in high fuel economy mode, it still kills me every time at the pump to see that number go into the triple digits. BOOOO!
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i wouldn't mind the taxes on the gas.....if they were applied where they're supposed to be. here in nj, the last i checked, i think it was something like 75 cents a gallon was highway tax. it was supposed to go to maintaining our roads. but they changed it to the transportation fund or some silly crap.....and everyone then robbed from that fund, so the roads are crap.
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This is about the time that I'm very happy I bought a Honda Accord. About 28 MPG and $50 for a full tank once a month!!
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This is about the time that I'm very happy I bought a Honda Accord. About 28 MPG and $50 for a full tank once a month!!
according to the "flight computer" on my dakota, i'm averaging 14.7 on that. mostly around tgown driving, with a weekly trip to mcguire afb..which is about an 80 mile round trip for me.
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The U.S. is lucky with the gas prices that we already have. We have one of the lowest in prices per barrel. Much of that is owed to U.S. holding world currency holder status. But because the value of the American Dollar is declining, we might lose that luxury.
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I spent 65$ to fuel up my tank, and I have to fuel every 3.5 days=/
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http://www.dailyfinance.com/story/market-news/gas-prices-world-high-low-country-pain-pump/19895547/?icid=maing-grid7|main5|dl3|sec1_lnk3|52904
scroll about half way down to tyhe chart........
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according to the "flight computer" on my dakota, i'm averaging 14.7 on that. mostly around tgown driving, with a weekly trip to mcguire afb..which is about an 80 mile round trip for me.
Yikes thats a scary number!!
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At about US $4.20 per gallon for 92-octane premium, it's been just under US $50 to top off my 2003 MINI Cooper S, which still gets from 26 - 34 MPG.
Over in New Jersey it's about $0.40 cheaper per gallon, due to lower state taxes. <sigh>
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Makes you wonder how much of the cost of shipping it is linked to the cost of fueling the truck/train/airplane/cargo ship that brings it?
The funny thing about all this is for goods it is cheaper to ship them via cargo ship than any other way. I can send a full LCL which holds about 20k pounds dimensional weight (Less than Container Load) shipment to New Zealand from Wisconsin going out of Port of Los Angeles for less than $1500 USD AFTER paying all the customs duties on both ends of the shipment. I can bring a full 40k pound dimensional weight container from Korea to Alabama for around $900 USD AFTER paying same customs duties on both ends.
NOW I know they are using a different type of fuel but it all goes through the same refinery processes to get made into something different.
Also the energy companies just write off the transport costs as a business expense so they don't really pay anything for their fuel costs on the shipments of crude oil or refined products.
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I fill up my car today with gas 1.17 CAD/L(4.53 USD/gallon) here in Windsor Ontario. But diesel price for my highway truck is 1.23 CAD/L(4.76 USD/Gallon) and i burn about 80-100 gallons/day , to fill up 2x150 gallons tanks=1428 USD.
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Every time somebody farts in the mideast "speculators" freak out!!
I'm not very informed at all on the subject, but what would happen to the oil prices if oil was taken off the "market"??
It would seem that the minoritys "panic" is dictating what the "majority" pays for the stuff.
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$55 to fill the Mustang
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Been thinking of changing my 4.6 over to run LP ..Be a little better on fuel and I will not have to stop at every gas station I pass .
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I don't run my truck too low. At 3.75 gallon I usually hit around 70.00 - 75.00. I have a 34 gallon tank.
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You guys a lucky. My engine is tuned for 93 octane, and now since I moved to AZ it's nowhere to be found :furious
And 91 is more expensive than the 93 I used to get :furious
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$35 to fill my car up 3/4 :neener:
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I'm putting an inline six turbo diesel into my nissan leopard/infiniti m30 to replace the inline six turbo gas engine.
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Every time somebody farts in the mideast "speculators" freak out!!
I'm not very informed at all on the subject, but what would happen to the oil prices if oil was taken off the "market"??
It would seem that the minoritys "panic" is dictating what the "majority" pays for the stuff.
they would drop significantly.
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60.80 for my Impreza and it's only a 16 gallon tank. Damn 93 octane gas.
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I'm putting an inline six turbo diesel into my nissan leopard/infiniti m30 to replace the inline six turbo gas engine.
My Jeep has a Mercedes built V6 diesel - a full tank lasts about 805km (503 miles) and costs 105 euros to fill (149 bucks). Note that the diesel will most likely be a lot heavyer than your original gas engine, you might need to upgrade your suspension or risk handling trouble.
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Every time somebody farts in the mideast "speculators" freak out!!
I'm not very informed at all on the subject, but what would happen to the oil prices if oil was taken off the "market"??
It would seem that the minoritys "panic" is dictating what the "majority" pays for the stuff.
That would never happen, gas and oil futures are how most large business hedge their fuel costs (from airlines to train companies). If you 'pulled' it off the market, you would be essentially fixing the price and most of the largest economic players in the US (Exxon, Cheveron, etc..) would be yelling "socialism" and unlike you or I, they have billions in cash to back up their yell.
(Ironically, the government is already engaged in a form of price fixing via the oil and gas subsidies that they provided to them in the past and you don't hear them complaining about that :headscratch:).
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That would never happen, gas and oil futures are how most large business hedge their fuel costs (from airlines to train companies). If you 'pulled' it off the market, you would be essentially fixing the price and most of the largest economic players in the US (Exxon, Cheveron, etc..) would be yelling "socialism" and unlike you or I, they have billions in cash to back up their yell.
(Ironically, the government is already engaged in a form of price fixing via the oil and gas subsidies that they provided to them in the past and you don't hear them complaining about that :headscratch:).
Not to mention the possibility of the oil traders dropping the U.S. dollar for a different exchange currency. That would be messy to say the least.
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Not to mention the possibility of the oil traders dropping the U.S. dollar for a different exchange currency. That would be messy to say the least.
Rubles.
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Rubles.
It would probably be the Chinese yuan or the Euro. Rubles are far too unstable to justify a switch.
EDIT: Then again, both the Yuan and the Euro are both tied to the dollar. I would say the Yuan has a better chance seeming that China manipulates the value of the Yuan and wouldn't be affected as much as the Euro would be.
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It would probably be the Chinese yuan or the Euro. Rubles are far too unstable to justify a switch.
I just like the word Ruble.
Its a nice woody word, not tinny.
Tin, tin, tinny
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gwXJsWHupg
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It would probably be the Chinese yuan or the Euro. Rubles are far too unstable to justify a switch.
It would be the Eruo, the Chinese fix the price of their currency by purchasing US and Euro Gov bonds with the money from surplus of trade to prevent it from floating on the open market.
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I'm putting an inline six turbo diesel into my nissan leopard/infiniti m30 to replace the inline six turbo gas engine.
You mite be better off going with LP . All you would have to change is the carb's and add a tank .
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It would be the Eruo
Won't be the Euro with all of the current financial problems floating around Europe. Maybe the Aussie Dollar, it's very strong.
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You mite be better off going with LP
LP is a great fuel. Very clean. Your engine will last forever running on propane.
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It would be the Eruo, the Chinese fix the price of their currency by purchasing US and Euro Gov bonds with the money from surplus of trade to prevent it from floating on the open market.
I truly doubt it would be the Euro. Just as you said, the Chinese fix their values. The Euro would take a hit if the US Dollar took a hit. The Yuan would be manipulated to show that it's still strong (even if it's not).
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If you factor in the price of the War in Iraq, which is blatantly about geo-political positioning and access to large energy deposits for US friendly energy companies, you are paying a substantial amount more for energy. Our kids and grandkids are actually picking up the tab.
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If you factor in the price of the War in Iraq, which is blatantly about geo-political positioning and access to large energy deposits for US friendly energy companies, you are paying a substantial amount more for energy. Our kids and grandkids are actually picking up the tab.
Good point... we have spent trillions in the last 20 years 'acquiring' access to energy resources. In essence that is a form of indirect an subsidy.
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Dano, we weren't talking politics bro. Just fuel prices and currency possibilities. Let's not bring politics into the thread.
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I was talking monty python
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I was talking monty python
You still need to work on your silly walk.
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Dano, we weren't talking politics bro. Just fuel prices and currency possibilities. Let's not bring politics into the thread.
Avoiding the political implications, we could reduce our demand by driving more fuel efficient and smaller vehicles, no need to drive a Ford F350 to work if you work at an office building and drive on paved streets. Although we may feel we don't have control over everything, we can control ourself, and adaptation begins with you.
Less demand == lower prices (baring supply doesn't change)
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Avoiding the political implications, we could reduce our demand by driving more fuel efficient and smaller vehicles, no need to drive a Ford F350 to work if you work at an office building and drive on paved streets. Although we may feel we don't have control over everything, we can control ourself, and adaptation begins with you.
Oh trust me, I know. I lived in L.A... It's amazing to see all of those trucks doing 10mph for 2 hours (91,15,5,60 freeways) during a commute. Usually there was only one person in the truck/SUV as well. Wasteful doesn't even begin to describe it.
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Avoiding the political implications, we could reduce our demand by driving more fuel efficient and smaller vehicles, no need to drive a Ford F350 to work if you work at an office building and drive on paved streets. Although we may feel we don't have control over everything, we can control ourself, and adaptation begins with you.
Less demand == lower prices (baring supply doesn't change)
less demand could also have the opposite effect.
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less demand could also have the opposite effect.
:headscratch: :headscratch:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_and_demand (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_and_demand)
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I'm putting an inline six turbo diesel into my nissan leopard/infiniti m30 to replace the inline six turbo gas engine.
Much more weight, new tranny, new electronics, new axle gearing. You have a long row to hoe.
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:headscratch: :headscratch:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_and_demand (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_and_demand)
if we start burning less a couple of things could happen.
local stations go out of business, due to overhead. those remaining can(and probably will) charge more
no one goes out of business, but since they're selling less, and their bills remain the same, they now raise their price to cover their bills. if not, they go under, and we're back to #1.
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Drive less, play AH more...
Strip
I like the first two suggestions, not sure about the third.
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CAP is right to a certain point. Gas stations make very little on their fuel sales though. The problem with demand for oil is that it's very dynamic in the fact that the U.S. (while being the biggest consumer) only affects part of the total equation.
If demand goes WAY down in the U.S. the prices will drop... For the U.S. The oil companies would try to cut their losses by driving the prices up elsewhere, increasing international shipping prices for imports and exports. That would lead to inflation of prices on other items. When it comes down to it, it's a balancing act. Until we find another source of fuel that can be used to power more than just cars, the oil companies will still hold most of the cards.
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Avoiding the political implications, we could reduce our demand by driving more fuel efficient and smaller vehicles, no need to drive a Ford F350 to work if you work at an office building and drive on paved streets.
I (respectfully) disagree, My wife drives a 2010 2500 series 4dr Silverado to work, and works in an office. The reason she drives this (other than she fell in love with driving my 2005 4DR Silverado) was partly my doing. I had absolutely no qualms buying her her own truck. I like to think shes much safer driving a big heavy truck, just in case she were to get into an accident. Both are also used to haul around our littleones (kids) and they are much safer in our trucks, than in a small(er) car. Couple that with the fact that i honestly think drivers (around here anyway) are getting worse. I think they rely on the fact that thier cars are new and high tech, and in being so, think their high tech cars will make up for them driving like morons.
I actually sleep better knowing that shes wrapped in a big steel beast. :aok
As far as the gas, yea its a bit expensive, but i wouldnt have bought the truck, if I couldnt afford to put the gas in it.
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I agree mbailey about being safe .I have notice that people don't pull out in front of my big 4X4 like they will in my ranger .
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Just be glad your fuel doesn't cost $15 a gallon like mine does...
:devil
Ryan Norton
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Actually, safety in a pickup is misleading. By NTHSA records, you're 4 times more likely to be in a rollover accident in a truck/SUV than a passenger car or minivan. Surely there's peace of mind, but that doesn't equate to being safer.
On the other hand, in a pickup/SUV vs. passenger car accident, the car's passengers are 2 times as likely to suffer injuries than the passengers in the larger vehicle.
All in all, with the safety systems in late model vehicles, it's a toss up. If you can afford it and it makes you feel safer, so be it. I also see idiots in SUV's and trucks that think they're invincible that pay no mind to people in cars and on motorcycles. For instance, there's an obliviot (oblivious idiot) soccer mom type that barrels down my road every day in her suburban. Most of the time you see her, she's got her cellphone plastered to her ear, doing 50 in a 35. Is she safer than me in her urban assault Suburban? Possibly. Is she more of a danger to everyone else? Yes.
The knife cuts two ways gents.
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Just be glad your fuel doesn't cost $15 a gallon like mine does...
:devil
Ryan Norton
i only paid $13 a gallon for purple last year.......
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Actually, safety in a pickup is misleading. By NTHSA records, you're 4 times more likely to be in a rollover accident in a truck/SUV than a passenger car or minivan. Surely there's peace of mind, but that doesn't equate to being safer.
On the other hand, in a pickup/SUV vs. passenger car accident, the car's passengers are 2 times as likely to suffer injuries than the passengers in the larger vehicle.
All in all, with the safety systems in late model vehicles, it's a toss up. If you can afford it and it makes you feel safer, so be it. I also see idiots in SUV's and trucks that think they're invincible that pay no mind to people in cars and on motorcycles. For instance, there's an obliviot (oblivious idiot) soccer mom type that barrels down my road every day in her suburban. Most of the time you see her, she's got her cellphone plastered to her ear, doing 50 in a 35. Is she safer than me in her urban assault Suburban? Possibly. Is she more of a danger to everyone else? Yes.
The knife cuts two ways gents.
obliviot....i LIKE that!! :aok
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obliviot....i LIKE that!! :aok
I stole it from a radio show that I heard about 10 years back... For the life of me I can't remember who said it though.
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Avoiding the political implications, we could reduce our demand by driving more fuel efficient and smaller vehicles, no need to drive a Ford F350 to work if you work at an office building and drive on paved streets. Although we may feel we don't have control over everything, we can control ourself, and adaptation begins with you.
Less demand == lower prices (baring supply doesn't change)
i think you're wrong...the majority of automobiles on the road are more fuel efficient than they were 10-15 years ago...yet fuel prices have continued to rise to the current price...it's not just the speculators or demand that is driving the prices up either, it's a combination of the speculators manipulating the value and the oil producing middle eastern countries slowing production to drive prices up...if saudi arabia says they are cutting production by a million barrels a day, every other oil producing middle eastern country follows suit...then the propaganda machine kicks in and the public has to swallow the poop while a very small number of people get filthy rich.
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Dano, we weren't talking politics bro. Just fuel prices and currency possibilities. Let's not bring politics into the thread.
Rog.
Although, there isn't much to talk about in regard to energy prices if politics are left out of the dialog. It's 90% of the equation.
I'll stay out, carry on.
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There are so many people driving that full size SUV that can barely afford the payment, insurance, and maintenance, let alone the fuel.
I have no sympathy for them. There are so many people who over-spend themselves and then they complain that they dont make enough money or costs are too high.
People have no clue how easy they have it in the USA, they would have no clue what to do if they had to ration food, fuel, and other such necessities.
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There are so many people driving that full size SUV that can barely afford the payment, insurance, and maintenance, let alone the fuel.
I have no sympathy for them. There are so many people who over-spend themselves and then they complain that they dont make enough money or costs are too high.
People have no clue how easy they have it in the USA, they would have no clue what to do if they had to ration food, fuel, and other such necessities.
There are a lot who can afford it too. It's all part of being born American.
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Try filling this beast up (my '71 Charger) with super, then add on top of that, Lead substitute and octane boost...
(http://i559.photobucket.com/albums/ss35/stampf/DSC01258.jpg)
(http://i559.photobucket.com/albums/ss35/stampf/DSC01259.jpg)
It's all relative... Play...you pay.
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Nice looking Charger you got there Stampf ..
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i think you're wrong...the majority of automobiles on the road are more fuel efficient than they were 10-15 years ago...yet fuel prices have continued to rise to the current price...it's not just the speculators or demand that is driving the prices up either, it's a combination of the speculators manipulating the value and the oil producing middle eastern countries slowing production to drive prices up...if saudi arabia says they are cutting production by a million barrels a day, every other oil producing middle eastern country follows suit...then the propaganda machine kicks in and the public has to swallow the poop while a very small number of people get filthy rich.
Despite the improvements in efficiency, demand has actually increased significantly in the past 30 years, so yes, we are using more now then we were 30 years ago. Demand is greater == higher price as supply has not kept up with demand.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_F3I5WHO6uq4/SqRGnrAo1pI/AAAAAAAAARQ/HbRlH0M9rrI/s400/Chart+1+Global+Oil+Demand.png)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_F3I5WHO6uq4/SqRcUZUZT5I/AAAAAAAAATA/sQv-j9Fa4rk/s1600/Chart%2B6%2BUS%2BHighway%2BMiles.png)
It's all part of being born American.
I know your comment was tung in check, but being an American is not a license to not take responsibility for ones actions, nor would most Americans agree to being ignorant about the consequences of their decisions.
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Nice looking Charger you got there Stampf ..
Thanks brutha...
... my baby.
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Despite the improvements in efficiency, demand has actually increased significantly in the past 30 years, so yes, we are using more now then we were 30 years ago. Demand is greater == higher price as supply has not kept up with demand.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_F3I5WHO6uq4/SqRGnrAo1pI/AAAAAAAAARQ/HbRlH0M9rrI/s400/Chart+1+Global+Oil+Demand.png)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_F3I5WHO6uq4/SqRcUZUZT5I/AAAAAAAAATA/sQv-j9Fa4rk/s1600/Chart%2B6%2BUS%2BHighway%2BMiles.png)
i love that stuff...more than 30 years ago gas prices tripled over night...an effect of deregulation to promote a more competitive market and keep consumer costs down...then we were told we needed to slow down to conserve fuel and save lives...then we were told there was a gas shortage and at the same time car manufacturers started marketing "fuel efficient" automobiles to save us money but they cost more to produce...then we were told there was no gas shortage, but there was a surplus and within 10 years new exploration technology would make us almost independent from foreign oil...we bought more expensive, more fuel efficient automobiles and slowed down to 55mph...
the entire time gasoline prices continued to increase from .68 cents a gallon national average to the current $3.70 per gallon...more oil is being produced daily than 30 years ago...yet somehow we are to believe that going from 8-10mpg to 12-38mpg we are using more oil than can be supplied...
ya right...the u.s. population has increased by estimated 102 million people since 1971...i wonder how many of those actually drive.
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The knife cuts two ways gents.
Agreed, but one of the reasons I have my wife in such a big vech is because of the clueless, cell phone talkin,makeup doing soccer moms in their big SUVs.Living in suburbia, these types of vechs is what we mostly see on the roads. I bet 75% of my kids friends moms drive them. Then theres the newspaper reading, shaving men in there little wanna be 4dr sports sedans that always seem to be perpetually late for something, and dont care who they cut off, or race by to get where their going. God forbid my wife was in an accident, she would fare much better in her truck, than in a small car. SUV vs small car bad. SUV vs Her truck (not good) but at least she has a fighting chance.
Just curious, Id like to see the data on the PU roll over rate. With the weight of the truck, and the wide wheel base id bet its low.
I believe the SUV rate is high, every time i drive my mother in laws Toyota Pathfinder, I feel like Fred Flintstone when he pulls up to the drive in and they put the giant rack of ribs on the platter. When i go around a corner in that thing, i feel like its gonna go over.
obliviot: Thats a great word Jager :aok :aok
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Thanks brutha...
... my baby.
I knew i liked you Stampf,lol Must be your taste in cars
My baby
(http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac82/mbailey166066/cid_00828322003032010-37F5.jpg)
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ya right...the u.s. population has increased by estimated 102 million people since 1971...i wonder how many of those actually drive.
Actually, an entire generation of new drivers have emerged.... all the baby boomers children are now in their 20s and 30s, and driving and communing just like their parents, may of whom are still working, driving and communing. Furthermore, people are living ever farther away from where they work due to other reasons (like housing expense), thus increasing the number of miles people are driving than before....
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I knew i liked you Stampf,lol Must be your taste in cars
My baby
(http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac82/mbailey166066/cid_00828322003032010-37F5.jpg)
Farking yeahoo!!
Nice bro!!! '69 my fav, but I couldn't pass up the one owner '71 when it came to auction. Gosh darn hot man! Love it!!
Mopar madness!!! :rock
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Much more weight, new tranny, new electronics, new axle gearing. You have a long row to hoe.
Not at all.
This is a mechanically injected diesel that is the same engine family as the current turbo six gas engine.
It bolts right in and the overdrive trans. has a good ratio to keep rpms down on the highway.
I can do this swap in 2 days but need to scrounge a manual transmission......because I want the ability to start this car regardless of battery condition.......or whether it is there or not.
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its 3.47 here :neener: Just kidding bout the face
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wow.i thought 48 from E was bad...guess thats why we let it get to half ful before we refill our cup :rolleyes:
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that's what it cost me to fill my dakota today. :bhead
that is all.
Mmm, so gas finally hit above 3.25 where you live? :D I was quite pleased to of filled the work truck ('01 F-150) this week for $80 (all twenty gallons), even though it's reimbursable. Not looking forward to filling up my civic today or tomorrow though.
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Try filling this beast up (my '71 Charger) with super, then add on top of that, Lead substitute and octane boost...
(http://i559.photobucket.com/albums/ss35/stampf/DSC01258.jpg)
(http://i559.photobucket.com/albums/ss35/stampf/DSC01259.jpg)
It's all relative... Play...you pay.
You need to fix your washing machine..... soap all over the lawn. :P
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Actually, safety in a pickup is misleading. By NTHSA records, you're 4 times more likely to be in a rollover accident in a truck/SUV than a passenger car or minivan. Surely there's peace of mind, but that doesn't equate to being safer.
On the other hand, in a pickup/SUV vs. passenger car accident, the car's passengers are 2 times as likely to suffer injuries than the passengers in the larger vehicle.
All in all, with the safety systems in late model vehicles, it's a toss up. If you can afford it and it makes you feel safer, so be it. I also see idiots in SUV's and trucks that think they're invincible that pay no mind to people in cars and on motorcycles. For instance, there's an obliviot (oblivious idiot) soccer mom type that barrels down my road every day in her suburban. Most of the time you see her, she's got her cellphone plastered to her ear, doing 50 in a 35. Is she safer than me in her urban assault Suburban? Possibly. Is she more of a danger to everyone else? Yes.
The knife cuts two ways gents.
You should drive down a road in a truck pulling a trailer loaded with cows.... you'll find that the folks in small cars are the ones that think they own the road.
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I knew i liked you Stampf,lol Must be your taste in cars
My baby
(http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac82/mbailey166066/cid_00828322003032010-37F5.jpg)
Very nice mbailey ! I had a black one just like that to out run me in my 72 firebird and I had a 455 in it at the time and he still blue my door's off .
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Mmm, so gas finally hit above 3.25 where you live? :D I was quite pleased to of filled the work truck ('01 F-150) this week for $80 (all twenty gallons), even though it's reimbursable. Not looking forward to filling up my civic today or tomorrow though.
was 3.339 yesterday....3.3379 now.
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was 3.339 yesterday....3.3379 now.
3.379? Bout right, been going up about a quarter a week since the latest and greatest mideast crisis. I really never knew that Libya supplied about a third of the world's gas-producing oil :rolleyes: .
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Very nice mbailey ! I had a black one just like that to out run me in my 72 firebird and I had a 455 in it at the time and he still blue my door's off .
Ty sir, Yea shes my pride and joy. Ask Stampf im sure he understands LOL. His is a beauty for sure!! Guys that love Mopar Muscle are a breed apart. I have a friend that has a 72 firebird, beautiful cars :aok
Funny story from this summer along the lines of what you wrote. Had some kid come up to me at a stop light and rev his engine in his wantabe nissan drift car. (you know the type that sound like a chainsaw with a cold) I looked over at him and im sure the look on my face said something like "Really?" Soooo i figured why not, I pulled forward a bit and dropped the clutch , lit the rear tires for about 7 to 10 seconds. I bet his car still smells like rubber to this day . I then drove off normally laughing like a school boy. Normally i wont do that, but the devil on my shoulder got the better of me. Apparantly the angel on my other shoulder was out to lunch :D
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140 to fill my 2500HD.
6-8MPG.
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He he he, nice Bailey - had a similiar one once on my way back from a fishing match. My friend and I were sat at lights, just talking while waiting for em to change. 2am in the morning. Got some numpty pull up next to me in a cheap, small engined car, with lots of body panels and a noise making exhaust. Looked over at me and rev'd his engine. I looked back and rev'd my engine. Lights change, I slipped it into reverse and went backwards - my friend was wetting himself laughing, the guy in the other car almost crashed looking around for me, and I had to pull over cos I coudnt drive I was laughing so hard. Once we got back moving, decided to drop the hammer a little, caught him before the motorway and left him for dead.
Mind you, my car at the time was a 4 wheel drive calibra, with a much bigger engine, with a twin turbo, uprated gearbox, drive train, brakes etc etc - fast as anything.
Much too old to do that sort of thing now, driving around in a 1991 ford escort pony, 1.9. Been sat in the desert for 7 years, we changed the oil, changed the battery, did a couple of other things, and the damn thing started right up.
Wurzel
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Cry me a river over your little gas bills. I topped off my tank last week. It was less than a third of a tank and it cost $269.00 for only 69 gallons and that was the discounted price. Now if I had been empty it would have been almost 300 gallons. How would you like a fillup that costs about $1000.00 or more?
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you would think the petroleum companies would get the idea they are causing their own problems...increased fuel costs equal increased transportation costs which in turn increases production costs and joe consumer has to pay the price for it...but then how do you bill yourself for a business expense that you control the costs on?
:lol i should have worded that differently...no reason besides greed to justify the outrageous costs.
Because so much "refined" gasoline comes from a barrel for crude that all this negates itself. gasoline is not just oil. its a mixture of other products that you start with a barrel of crude, and end with say, 10 barrels of gas
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3.379? Bout right, been going up about a quarter a week since the latest and greatest mideast crisis. I really never knew that Libya supplied about a third of the world's gas-producing oil :rolleyes: .
well...i think it's from the stock market....those schmucks panic if you drip oil out of your engine.........then the price goes up. take it off the market, and the price will mysteriously become normal and realistic again.....or we could start drilling here in the good ole usa again.....but i probably shouldn't go there for fear of getting my own thread locked......
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Agreed, but one of the reasons I have my wife in such a big vech is because of the clueless, cell phone talkin,makeup doing soccer moms in their big SUVs.Living in suburbia, these types of vechs is what we mostly see on the roads. I bet 75% of my kids friends moms drive them. Then theres the newspaper reading, shaving men in there little wanna be 4dr sports sedans that always seem to be perpetually late for something, and dont care who they cut off, or race by to get where their going. God forbid my wife was in an accident, she would fare much better in her truck, than in a small car. SUV vs small car bad. SUV vs Her truck (not good) but at least she has a fighting chance.
Just curious, Id like to see the data on the PU roll over rate. With the weight of the truck, and the wide wheel base id bet its low.
I believe the SUV rate is high, every time i drive my mother in laws Toyota Pathfinder, I feel like Fred Flintstone when he pulls up to the drive in and they put the giant rack of ribs on the platter. When i go around a corner in that thing, i feel like its gonna go over.
obliviot: Thats a great word Jager :aok :aok
By the estimates, pickup rollovers are 4x more likely then passenger cars. Like I said earlier, if you're in a large vehicle while hitting a smaller vehicle, you're more likely to survive. Unfortunately, large vehicles (even ones with a wide wheel base) tend to roll. It's a toss up. It depends alot on what type of driving you're doing.
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Ty sir, Yea shes my pride and joy. Ask Stampf im sure he understands LOL. His is a beauty for sure!! Guys that love Mopar Muscle are a breed apart. I have a friend that has a 72 firebird, beautiful cars :aok
Funny story from this summer along the lines of what you wrote. Had some kid come up to me at a stop light and rev his engine in his wantabe nissan drift car. (you know the type that sound like a chainsaw with a cold) I looked over at him and im sure the look on my face said something like "Really?" Soooo i figured why not, I pulled forward a bit and dropped the clutch , lit the rear tires for about 7 to 10 seconds. I bet his car still smells like rubber to this day . I then drove off normally laughing like a school boy. Normally i wont do that, but the devil on my shoulder got the better of me. Apparantly the angel on my other shoulder was out to lunch :D
what's actually REALLY fun........
when someone pulls up next to you at a light.....they think they wanna race ya.......when the cross light goes yellow, bring your rpms up to whatever you like to launch at...just make sure the dood hears it. green light....hammer it as if you're gonna launch....just enough to lift your front end, then let off and clutch it right away. don't smoke or chirp the tires. chances are good he'll take off full bore. it's the most fun if one of our men in blue happen to be nearby.
they can't touch you, since ya did nothing, and the schmuckster gets nailed. mean? yes. fun? hell yea!
now all htat being said......years ago in a buddy's 58 fairlane. 352..i think it was a police interceptor engine......dude in some kinda toyota pulls up, and tries to run him. he paces the guy. just stays exactly next to him.
next light, i ran the window down, and in our best japanese accents, we both said "toYOta!! GOOOOOOD CARRR!! then we left him sitting there in a cloud of smoke.
man the stupid crap we did when we were young.........
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Cry me a river over your little gas bills. I topped off my tank last week. It was less than a third of a tank and it cost $269.00 for only 69 gallons and that was the discounted price. Now if I had been empty it would have been almost 300 gallons. How would you like a fillup that costs about $1000.00 or more?
got a friend that used to drive for werner....he used to tell me of those fill ups every so often.
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By the estimates, pickup rollovers are 4x more likely then passenger cars. Like I said earlier, if you're in a large vehicle while hitting a smaller vehicle, you're more likely to survive. Unfortunately, large vehicles (even ones with a wide wheel base) tend to roll. It's a toss up. It depends alot on what type of driving you're doing.
cg. it's all about the cg.
did you know that in a ford 15pax van the cg is all the way up at the height of the steering wheel?
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cg. it's all about the cg.
did you know that in a ford 15pax van the cg is all the way up at the height of the steering wheel?
eek.... thats asking for a roll over, esp on a t-bone.
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eek.... thats asking for a roll over, esp on a t-bone.
yep.
i actually test our drivers within cap specifically for these things.
not in cap, but there was problems with them going over if they hit uneven pavement, such as drifting off onto the shoulder of the road.....instinct is to yank the wheel the other way to get back on the road. instead, it tosses them over rather nicely.
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The U.S. is lucky with the gas prices that we already have. We have one of the lowest in prices per barrel. Much of that is owed to U.S. holding world currency holder status. But because the value of the American Dollar is declining, we might lose that luxury.
Thats a given.Its just a matter of time.
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If demand goes WAY down in the U.S. the prices will drop... For the U.S. The oil companies would try to cut their losses by driving the prices up elsewhere, increasing international shipping prices for imports and exports.
The oil companies would just cut back on production,and keep the prices the same. Supply and demand.
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The oil companies would just cut back on production,and keep the prices the same. Supply and demand.
Then blame it on red tape as the reasons for the cut back in production....lol
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3.15 as of 5 mins ago
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There's something to be said for a large frame vehicle hitting a small one. However, there are major trade-offs for this increase in hitting power:
1.) Increased stopping distance
2.) Reduced handling ability
3.) And most interestinly- poorer driver attitude
When you drive something enormous (Suburban, F250+), you are betting your life that your car will simply demolish theirs. However, unless you drive an 18-wheeler, there are always larger vehicles out there. If you need a people mover (more than 3 kids), a midsize SUV with three rows of seats will give you the best of both worlds.
The other problem is that many collisions don't involve other cars, rather objects of (relative to your car) infinte inertia. Objects such as- mountainsides, bottoms of ravines, water, buildings, roads (ie rollover due to operator error) and trains. Your Expedition is still just a speck compared to the punch those things pack.
Furthermore, a driver who is high up is more aggressive. Those soccer moms all chose to drive those vehicles, and look what happened to them! You feel invincible, but you aren't; this is how people get killed. Those who feel they are invincible will behave that way, and frequently with horrific results.
Therefore, if you are willing to pony up 40k up front and over time for fuel, get a sedan! Then, if safety is the #1 priority, equip it with a reinforced roll cage, bucket seats, and six-point harnesses. You don't have to be big to be safe.
-Penguin
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That being said this $4/gal has got to go. :)
Stop driving and start carpooling and walking. Its called "supply and demand".
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The more people make plans to share cars the higher the price will rise.
It has nothing to do with oil supply and everything to do with target profits.
Tis the sad way of humans.
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30 years ago when gas was about 1.25 a gallon they asked a senior vp of an oil company why were they charging such high prices, his reply was because we can. price of gas has nothing to do with supply and demand and more to do with speculation. they dont even make sense with their zone pricing. same gas delivered to cities or gas stations a few blocks away are all different. it doesnt make any sense.
semp
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30 years ago when gas was about 1.25 a gallon they asked a senior vp of an oil company why were they charging such high prices, his reply was because we can. price of gas has nothing to do with supply and demand and more to do with speculation. they dont even make sense with their zone pricing. same gas delivered to cities or gas stations a few blocks away are all different. it doesnt make any sense.
semp
It makes it easy for them to charge a lot at the pump because there aren't that many gas mfgs. Lets face it, the market is an oligopoly, and thus unofficial/unstated price fixing is the name of the game. If we can find ways such that we don't need so much of their product, (bio diesel, etc..) then their impact is not as destructive on the economy.
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The more people make plans to share cars the higher the price will rise.
It has nothing to do with oil supply and everything to do with target profits.
Tis the sad way of humans.
pretty much what i said a few posts back.......just not as clearly. :aok
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I see more ford explorers upside down off the road than any other car.
I was driving from key biscayne to west palm beach at 1:00 am three weeks in a row on I95 and saw a ford explorer roll over both times......actually saw it happen.
Both drivers were not injured badly..............and they did not have bridgestone tires.
Third week was a jeep in the median already upside down when I got there.
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It would take a tank to turn over my F150 4x4 ..
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excuse my lack of sympathy but we're currently paying about £1.40/l here, about $10/gall.
so my golf's 10gall tank cost ~$100 to fill up, but I do get 350miles out of it ...
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excuse my lack of sympathy but we're currently paying about £1.40/l here, about $10/gall.
so my golf's 10gall tank cost ~$100 to fill up, but I do get 350miles out of it ...
350 miles won't get you half way across Texas. :) That is some miles per gallon though if all you need to do is get yourself somewhere.
My Daughter's 2010 Camaro is rated at 29mpg. She gets around 26 or 27 mpg and has close to 330 hp ATC. :D
We have some 600+ RWHP camaros in the club getting 19mpg.
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yeah I'm always surprised how good the mileage is - and I have a very heavy right foot :D
edit: just realised your gallons are a different size to our gallons ... now I'm really confused :headscratch:
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just spotted this on the bbc news site:
1 April 2011 Last updated at 14:39
Asda sold 12.9p petrol by mistake in Bradford
Asda has admitted drivers paid just 12.9p a litre for petrol after staff put a decimal point in the wrong place.
About 50 motorists stocked up on unleaded fuel at the petrol station in Rooley Lane, Bradford, West Yorkshire, on Thursday.
Drivers queued up to use the automatic card-payment pumps for about two hours until the mistake was spotted.
Some motorists also filled up petrol cans with the bargain fuel after word spread around the city.
An Asda spokesman said: "For a couple of hours some lucky customers got some petrol at the wrong price at our Rooley Lane store."
:lol :aok
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you use imperial gallons holmes? could explain the difference...isn't it something like 4.5 liters in an imperial gallon or something like that?
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yup, and 1 gall imp = 1.2 gall US apparently. its no wonder we moved to metric ...