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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: 1Nicolas on April 02, 2011, 01:24:24 PM
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Hey Aces High staff! Germany needs a heavey bomber.The He-177. It can carry the Fritz X or Hs-293 Radio Guided Munitions. It can also Dive-Bomb! Here is a little Info on it:
Crew: 6
Length: 22 m (72 ft 2 in)
Wingspan: 31.44 m (103 ft 1¾ in)
Height: 6.40 m (20 ft 11¾ in)
Wing area: 101.99 m² (1,097.918 ft²)
Empty weight: 16,800 kg (37,038 lb)
Loaded weight: 27,200 kg (59,966 lb)
Max takeoff weight: 31,000 kg (68,343 lb)
Powerplant: 2× Daimler-Benz DB 610 24-cylinder liquid-cooled inline piston engines, 2,900 PS (2,133 kW) each
Performance
Maximum speed: 565 km/h (351 mph) at 6,000 (19,685 ft)
Stall speed: 135 km/h (84 mph)
Combat radius: 1,540 km (957 mi)
Ferry range: 5,600 km (3,480 mi)
Service ceiling: 9,400 m (30,840 ft)
Rate of climb: 190 m/min (623 ft/min)
Wing loading: 303.9 kg/m² (62.247 lb/ft²)
Armament
Guns: **1 × 7.92 mm MG 81 machine gun in nose
1 × 20 mm MG 151 cannon in forward ventral gondola position
2 × 7.92 mm MG 81 machine guns in rear ventral gondola position
2 × 13 mm MG 131 machine guns in FDL 131Z remotely-operated forward dorsal turret, full 360º traverse
1 × 13 mm MG 131 machine gun in manned aft dorsal turret
1 × 20 mm MG 151 cannon in tail position
Bombs: Up to 6,000 kg (13,227 lb) of disposable stores internally or 7,200 kg (15,873 lb) externally or up to 3 Fritz X or Henschel Hs 293 radio-guided munitions
48 × 50 kg (110 lb) bombs (2,400 kg/5,291 lb total)
1 × 2,500 kg (5,511 lb) bomb (2,500 kg/5,511 lb total)
12 × 250 kg (551 lb) bombs (3,000 kg/6,613 lb total)
6 × 500 kg (1,102 lb) bombs (3,000 kg/6,613 lb total)
2 × 1,800 kg (3,968 lb) bombs (3,600 kg/7,936 lb total)
2 × 1,800 kg (3,968 lb) bombs + 2 × LMA III mines (4,600 kg/10,141 lb total)
10 × 500 kg (1,102 lb) bombs (5,000 kg/11,023 lb total)
2 × 1,000 kg (2,204 lb) bombs + 2 × 1,800 kg (3,968 lb) bombs (5,600 kg/12,345 lb total)
6 × 1,000 kg (2,204 lb) bombs (6,000 kg/13,227 lb total)
2 × FX 1400 Fritz X + 1 × FX 1400 Fritz X under the wings and fuselage
2 × Hs 293 or 294 + 1 × Hs 293 or 294 under the wings and fuselage
82 × 500 kg (1,102 lb) bombs internally + 2 × Hs 293 under the wings
2* × LT 50 torpedoes under the wing
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Since all Germans were Nazis.
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Since all Germans were Nazis.
And didn't even refer to themselves as "Nazis." Good idea, though. Germany needs some heavy ords.
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LUFTWAFFE bomber.
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Maybe it was a typo and he actually meant Nasty Bomber.
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errrrrr....i hope you mean German bomber
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The best German bombers were the Ju188 and Do217. He177 was a pile of crap.
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He 111
HE111 :furious
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Wouldn't mind the 177 (+1 eventually), however...
(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc473/UnkShadow/Bundesarchiv_Bild_101I-385-0586-16_Flugzeug_Heinkel_He_111.jpg)
Must come first... :D
EDIT: I meant it must come before the 177. :D
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YES IT MUST! :rock
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More Axis bombers please
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Since HTC added the G4M long after it added the Ki-67, we can hope and pray the HTC has seen the light (through the gaping hole) and add the next logical choice after the German Ju88.... the He 111!!! :aok
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Since HTC added the G4M long after it added the Ki-67, we can hope and pray the HTC has seen the light (through the gaping hole) and add the next logical choice after the German Ju88.... the He 111!!! :aok
That is good reasoning.
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Since all Germans were Nazis.
LUFTWAFFE bomber.
without getting very political... all German aircraft carried the swastica on or near it's tail. The NAZI's were in control, so it would be a NAZI bomber...
Thats like saying a USAF bomber is not an American Bomber.
American bomber is to NAZI bomber
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USAF(or AAC) bomber is to the Luftwaffe bomber
and yes i know the swastica was used before the NAZI party used it.
However there is really no point of arguing over the title.
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without getting very political... all German aircraft carried the swastica on or near it's tail. The NAZI's were in control, so it would be a NAZI bomber...
Thats like saying a USAF bomber is not an American Bomber.
American bomber is to NAZI bomber
as
USAF(or AAC) bomber is to the Luftwaffe bomber
and yes i know the swastica was used before the NAZI party used it.
However there is really no point of arguing over the title.
Actually, I would equate it with a USAF bomber being a Democratic or Republican bomber versus an American bomber.
I'm sure the Canadians, especially the Quebecois, would have something to say about your analogy, residing in America and what not.
wrongway
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Actually, I would equate it with a USAF bomber being a Democratic or Republican bomber versus an American bomber.
I'm sure the Canadians, especially the Quebecois, would have something to say about your analogy, residing in America and what not.
wrongway
exactly, you dont call USAF bomber a democratic bomber.
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First of all: not all the germans were nazis, and not all the nazis were/are germans. I should know.
To the he-177: been asked before, not as long ago. The later variants (post-'43) were great and liked by the crew, the earlyers were POS. Would be a nice addition, was still far more successful than the 163.
Ju-188: thats a great little hit and run bomber, with good bombload, great speed and weak defensive guns.
He-111: was great in the early war, but i dont think it would see more use than the Betty. lil ugly plane, but i give it a +1. Would be a great perk farmer, and would fill the gap in the scenarios.
We need a german bomber. I would vote for the 188, but its not my decision.
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exactly, you dont call USAF bomber a democratic bomber.
i think the B-24 is closest out of all American bombers to any American philosophy
"Liberator"
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Need the 111 most of all. Biggest gap I can think of.
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M18... :noid................
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+1, though I did not know that inanimate objects could have political beliefs. :headscratch:
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exactly, you dont call USAF bomber a democratic bomber.
A B-29 Obama-er? Just kidding guys, not a political post! :lol
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only a short number of these planes were produced, about 1,400 i think. They didnt work as good as planned and had many engine/ tech problems. I would rather have the..
He111 :aok
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First of all: not all the germans were nazis, and not all the nazis were/are germans. I should know.
To the he-177: been asked before, not as long ago. The later variants (post-'43) were great and liked by the crew, the earlyers were POS. Would be a nice addition, was still far more successful than the 163.
Ju-188: thats a great little hit and run bomber, with good bombload, great speed and weak defensive guns.
He-111: was great in the early war, but i dont think it would see more use than the Betty. lil ugly plane, but i give it a +1. Would be a great perk farmer, and would fill the gap in the scenarios.
We need a german bomber. I would vote for the 188, but its not my decision.
Why not the Do-217? 6600 lbs of bombs, a 290 knot top speed and an aft clamshell-type dive brake... What's not to like? They had a hard-nosed version as well, for a little airfield-beasting action. 1700 or so were built and it served from late-'40 onward... This strikes me as a better/more successful pick than the overhyped greif POS.
Of course, given my druthers, I'd take ALL OF 'EM plus a 388 to boot. While only 100 or so of these were built, they were in service by the end of hostilities and one was even shot down over England.
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Why not the Do-217?
Couse i dont know anything about it ;)
Those numbers are impressive tho. I would fly any german bomber.
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did some one say HE177
*faints* + googel
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M18... :noid................
people should stop outsourcing MY wish :noid :rofl
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To the he-177: been asked before, not as long ago. The later variants (post-'43) were great and liked by the crew, the earlyers were POS. Would be a nice addition, was still far more successful than the 163.
They were never "great", they did reach "marginally acceptable" though. Yes, they had the highest survival rate of the little Blitz, but compared to a B-17 or Lancaster they were fragile. Saying something was far more successful than the Me163 isn't really much of an endorsement.
I do agree with you that the Ju188 would be my choice, and with a 20mm MG151/20 in the top turret it isn't even that badly gunned.
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I do agree with you that the Ju188 would be my choice, and with a 20mm MG151/20 in the top turret it isn't even that badly gunned.
Now... Was this turret of limited rear angle use, or was it 360 all the way around to the front? If so that would make a very powerful defensive tool. The MG151/20 is no slouch. Not to mention there was a 13mm right behind and below it. You'd have 2 guns hitting rear targets.
I don't think the 388 really counts. More of a "didn't really make it in time" bomber, and with a limited payload. It was fast, but very few were made.
Originally the first pre-production versions were 388Ls, with about 35 being made (some converted from Ju188S models). These carried no bombs, only cameras and aux fuel tanks.
The 388J never had any leave the production lines before the end of hostilities. This night fighter variant would not have had the tail guns, but it would have had a large ventral gunpod with 2x20mm and 2x30mm guns. Again, none made it.
The 388K bomber version had 10 pre-production test models and prototypes made, but before the war ended only 5 Ju388K-1s rolled off the production lines. Chances of them actually making it to front line units and seeing combat are slim to none.
IMO that plane doesn't work for AH. Ju-188 does a far better job.
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Im pretty sure the 188s top gunner could turn around in 360 degrees horizontally, but couldnt shoot "down" so the belly of the plane was still pretty much unprotected.
Both the 111, the 177 and the 188 would fill huge gaps in the planeset, maybe the 111 the biggest. But it would be very rare becouse it was slow, couldnt carry big bombload and had weak defensive guns with limited angles.
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i think the B-24 is closest out of all American bombers to any American philosophy
"Liberator"
Hmm..I would think that the Canadians and the Brits having been in YEARS ahead of
them, and Fighting to the end could also lay claim to being Liberators.
All this time thought it was an ALLIED effort.
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exactly, you dont call USAF bomber a democratic bomber.
i call the bombs that fall out diplomacy
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Hmm..I would think that the Canadians and the Brits having been in YEARS ahead of
them, and Fighting to the end could also lay claim to being Liberators.
All this time thought it was an ALLIED effort.
Yeah, they were doing a bang up job before 12/41 :rolleyes:
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Hmm..I would think that the Canadians and the Brits having been in YEARS ahead of
them, and Fighting to the end could also lay claim to being Liberators.
All this time thought it was an ALLIED effort.
i wasn't implying that it was a 100% American idea, just stating what most citizens in the US believed at the time (after we beat back the threat of invasion by Japan and Germany)