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Title: "horde" moratorium
Post by: Rob52240 on April 02, 2011, 04:39:18 PM
I propose a moratorium on using the word "horde" until HiTech provides us with a definition.  Currently it seems that the word is being used to describe any group of planes larger than 1.

Please officially quantify it so it can be used properly.
Title: Re: "horde" moratorium
Post by: SmokinLoon on April 02, 2011, 04:52:01 PM
It is all relative to where the vTARDS are at. ... .... ....  What?   Did I say something wrong???   :devil
Title: Re: "horde" moratorium
Post by: Rob52240 on April 02, 2011, 05:34:16 PM
It is all relative to where the vTARDS are at. ... .... ....  What?   Did I say something wrong???   :devil

I'm flattered but a lot of Bishops see hordes as a good thing and I can only assume, at least some citizens of the Rooks and Knights.
Title: Re: "horde" moratorium
Post by: MachFly on April 02, 2011, 05:52:35 PM
I'm flattered but a lot of Bishops see hordes as a good thing

Did anyone ever say that hordes are bad?

A large group of people working together, seems like a good thing to me.
Title: Re: "horde" moratorium
Post by: grizz441 on April 02, 2011, 05:54:56 PM
The players that hate them the most are those that realize they like to fight but haven't yet learned how to effectively fight the horde yet.  So what I'm saying is, if you detest hordes, it is because you have a lot left to learn.
Title: Re: "horde" moratorium
Post by: Rob52240 on April 02, 2011, 05:58:55 PM
The players that hate them the most are those that realize they like to fight but haven't yet learned how to effectively fight the horde yet.  So what I'm saying is, if you detest hordes, it is because you have a lot left to learn.

+1, thanks for putting it in perspective better
Title: Re: "horde" moratorium
Post by: skorpion on April 02, 2011, 06:20:45 PM
its funny how people complain about hordes when they sometimes fly in one...

its like screaming sand in a desert, pointless.



But...id like to see how many people it would take to be classified as a horde maybe 5? 10? who knows....
Title: Re: "horde" moratorium
Post by: MachFly on April 02, 2011, 06:24:04 PM
I think the numbers of the people in the horde depends on the ratio, if there is 1 nit and 5 bish that that's a horde, if there are 4 nits and 5 bith than that's not a horde, if there are 5 nits and 20bish than that's a horde.
Title: Re: "horde" moratorium
Post by: The Fugitive on April 02, 2011, 06:37:33 PM
The players that hate them the most are those that realize they like to fight but haven't yet learned how to effectively fight the horde yet.  So what I'm saying is, if you detest hordes, it is because you have a lot left to learn.

I wouldn't call picking the lemmings as they dive into their latest capture "fighting the horde".
Title: Re: "horde" moratorium
Post by: guncrasher on April 02, 2011, 06:50:22 PM
last night the rooks and the knights were hording each other in one epic battle at a53.  I was with the knights and somehow a bishop accused me of going with the horde on the other side of the map.  apparently you can also fly with a horde fighting against another horde and somebody else from another horde in a different part of the map, can accuse you of hording.  am I the only one confused here?

semp
Title: Re: "horde" moratorium
Post by: climber on April 02, 2011, 10:42:38 PM
Well I usually keep quiet and just read but a couple of beers have made me loquacious (sp?).

The word "horde" and folks talking about it being a bad thing is starting to get under my skin.  Yep there are those folks who like to furball, be it in aircraft or even gv's (yes they furball too but in their own little way) but there are others, like myself, who like to take real estate.  I don't especially like to die even in cartoon world.  Do I get ticked off if I die, sometimes, but I try to tell myself it's just a silly game and reup.

For those realtors of us it makes sense to have as much of an advantage as possible when doing our thing to keep our cartoon planes flying.  I don't have a military background but did attend a college that was one of 4 senior military colleges in the states.  This meant that I was in a corps of cadets, lived in barracks-style dorms, wore uniforms and took four total years of Army ROTC.  I never served active duty for personal reasons but hold an extreme respect for those who did/do.  There we learned lots of different things from history to basic squad infantry tactics.  There was an interesting acronym (goodness how the military loves it's acronyms) that I always think of when folks begin to state their disgust in hordes.  This acronym is MOSSMOUSE and here it is spelled out:
Mass
Offensive
Simplicity
Surprise
Maneuver
Objective
Unity of Command
Security
Economy of Force

The first one is there for a reason (not to make a cute acronym that sounds like a slow moving rodent) MASS.  If you out number the enemy you have a good chance of beating him.  Did Stormin' Norman go into Iraq with only a wing of attack aircraft?  Heck no!  He hit them with everything he had including a coalition of nations that dwarfed the Iraqi army. 

Here is that acronym again in AH terms:

Mass: already said. enough pilots/gv drivers to get the job done even with attrition
Offensive:  taking the attack.  Move forward and not wait for the enemy to attack first
Simplicity:  mission planner puts together a mission with a select group of A/C to accomplish mission
Surprise:  NOE???
Maneuver:  "we pop right before town, buffs hit town, JABO's hit hangers and hold remainder for gv's and provide cap, goons standby until needed"
Objective:  we hit this first then, next, then next so on and so forth until we get the base to turn green
Unity of Command:  simple in AH.  This is mission vox, I made the mission therefore I'm in command...
Security:  Hey what are those fighters doing over the field?  Some say vulchers I call them security.
Economy of force:  make sure everyone is working toward the objective.  If you die come back in a ...

I'm beginning to think that the folks who complain the most about the "hordes" are either too inept to fight them, want everyone to fight where they will get an easy kill (sorry but you don't pay my $15 for me), or have had their sister taken by a horde.  I don't want to tell someone how to play the game any more than I want them to dictate to me how I should play but get over it folks!  It's part of the game.  If you don't like it, find a way to beat the horde (pork their ords to prevent the attack) or go to the DA. 

Well, i'm sure i've offended someone and i'm not really sorry.  It's a tough world, wear a helmet.  The excess beer in my system is screaming to get out and i've said all I wanted to said, and I plan on saying nothing more.

Thanks for your time.

-Climber
77th FS "Gamblers"
Usually found on fire being shot to oblivion in some "horde"/base take.  Occasionally even attempting to get some furball action in order to try to learn more ACM thus bettering myself in game and take more real estate.
Title: Re: "horde" moratorium
Post by: EskimoJoe on April 02, 2011, 11:06:21 PM
I detest the 'horde' because I like small scale engagements with people who
like to fight as much as I do, starting off on fair or close to fair setting,

I do not recall a single time time I've seen a vtard that engages without a
total numbers advantage.

Being gangraped by 30 cons with a huge alt advantage is not my thing, sorry.
Title: Re: "horde" moratorium
Post by: Rob52240 on April 02, 2011, 11:26:09 PM
You may as well keep detesting us because we certainly aren't going anywhere.
Title: Re: "horde" moratorium
Post by: EskimoJoe on April 02, 2011, 11:33:12 PM
What do you think I've been doing, genius?  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: "horde" moratorium
Post by: MachFly on April 03, 2011, 01:07:42 AM
I detest the 'horde' because I like small scale engagements with people who
like to fight as much as I do, starting off on fair or close to fair setting,

I do not recall a single time time I've seen a vtard that engages without a
total numbers advantage.

Being gangraped by 30 cons with a huge alt advantage is not my thing, sorry.

They use the horde is a different way. Can't think of a good way to explain it but here is an example. If you have one noob fight an experienced pilot that the noob will die, but if you have 10 noobs fight one experienced pilot the noobs will win. So while other squads train their pilots to be good, they just use hordes.
So I'm ok with the vtards using hordes because that does not give them any advantage, it just makes them sort of equal.

no offence to any vtard
Title: Re: "horde" moratorium
Post by: Vadjan-Sama on April 03, 2011, 02:39:40 AM
I think the numbers of the people in the horde depends on the ratio, if there is 1 nit and 5 bish that that's a horde, if there are 4 nits and 5 bith than that's not a horde, if there are 5 nits and 20bish than that's a horde.

Well, u got it right on the spot there, cuz almost all the time is the vHord.. the bishops "team Working" on fields with no defense or just a few.. and we all know that when the bish "team work" is not like 4 or 5 of them... is mostly 20-30 (even more), I can be wrong in here but thats a horde to me    :neener:

And I know how to work the horde... but even that I hate the horde  :)
Title: Re: "horde" moratorium
Post by: Ardy123 on April 03, 2011, 03:54:08 AM
You may as well keep detesting us because we certainly aren't going anywhere.

ahh but in 2 years your going to get bored of the horde, and look for something new in the game.
Title: Re: "horde" moratorium
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on April 03, 2011, 04:43:46 AM
The players that hate them the most are those that realize they like to fight but haven't yet learned how to effectively fight the horde yet.  So what I'm saying is, if you detest hordes, it is because you have a lot left to learn.

Says the man with 10 000 perk points to 'defeat' the 262 purchase price at will.
Title: Re: "horde" moratorium
Post by: MachFly on April 03, 2011, 04:51:46 AM
Says the man with 10 000 perk points to 'defeat' the 262 purchase price at will.

I agree with him, and I don't have 10,000 perks.
Title: Re: "horde" moratorium
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on April 03, 2011, 05:21:37 AM
I agree with him, and I don't have 10,000 perks.

Do share the secret.
Title: Re: "horde" moratorium
Post by: HawkerMKII on April 03, 2011, 05:38:27 AM
Well I usually keep quiet and just read but a couple of beers have made me loquacious (sp?).

The word "horde" and folks talking about it being a bad thing is starting to get under my skin.  Yep there are those folks who like to furball, be it in aircraft or even gv's (yes they furball too but in their own little way) but there are others, like myself, who like to take real estate.  I don't especially like to die even in cartoon world.  Do I get ticked off if I die, sometimes, but I try to tell myself it's just a silly game and reup.

For those realtors of us it makes sense to have as much of an advantage as possible when doing our thing to keep our cartoon planes flying.  I don't have a military background but did attend a college that was one of 4 senior military colleges in the states.  This meant that I was in a corps of cadets, lived in barracks-style dorms, wore uniforms and took four total years of Army ROTC.  I never served active duty for personal reasons but hold an extreme respect for those who did/do.  There we learned lots of different things from history to basic squad infantry tactics.  There was an interesting acronym (goodness how the military loves it's acronyms) that I always think of when folks begin to state their disgust in hordes.  This acronym is MOSSMOUSE and here it is spelled out:
Mass
Offensive
Simplicity
Surprise
Maneuver
Objective
Unity of Command
Security
Economy of Force

The first one is there for a reason (not to make a cute acronym that sounds like a slow moving rodent) MASS.  If you out number the enemy you have a good chance of beating him.  Did Stormin' Norman go into Iraq with only a wing of attack aircraft?  Heck no!  He hit them with everything he had including a coalition of nations that dwarfed the Iraqi army. 

Here is that acronym again in AH terms:

Mass: already said. enough pilots/gv drivers to get the job done even with attrition
Offensive:  taking the attack.  Move forward and not wait for the enemy to attack first
Simplicity:  mission planner puts together a mission with a select group of A/C to accomplish mission
Surprise:  NOE???
Maneuver:  "we pop right before town, buffs hit town, JABO's hit hangers and hold remainder for gv's and provide cap, goons standby until needed"
Objective:  we hit this first then, next, then next so on and so forth until we get the base to turn green
Unity of Command:  simple in AH.  This is mission vox, I made the mission therefore I'm in command...
Security:  Hey what are those fighters doing over the field?  Some say vulchers I call them security.
Economy of force:  make sure everyone is working toward the objective.  If you die come back in a ...

I'm beginning to think that the folks who complain the most about the "hordes" are either too inept to fight them, want everyone to fight where they will get an easy kill (sorry but you don't pay my $15 for me), or have had their sister taken by a horde.  I don't want to tell someone how to play the game any more than I want them to dictate to me how I should play but get over it folks!  It's part of the game.  If you don't like it, find a way to beat the horde (pork their ords to prevent the attack) or go to the DA. 

Well, i'm sure i've offended someone and i'm not really sorry.  It's a tough world, wear a helmet.  The excess beer in my system is screaming to get out and i've said all I wanted to said, and I plan on saying nothing more.

Thanks for your time.

-Climber
77th FS "Gamblers"
Usually found on fire being shot to oblivion in some "horde"/base take.  Occasionally even attempting to get some furball action in order to try to learn more ACM thus bettering myself in game and take more real estate.

This is great :salute

Title: Re: "horde" moratorium
Post by: Ardy123 on April 03, 2011, 05:43:36 AM
Says the man with 10 000 perk points to 'defeat' the 262 purchase price at will.

neither do I, I think I have 15,000  :neener:
Title: Re: "horde" moratorium
Post by: MachFly on April 03, 2011, 05:48:15 AM
neither do I, I think I have 15,000  :neener:

 :O I have about 4% of that.
Title: Re: "horde" moratorium
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on April 03, 2011, 06:00:00 AM
This is great :salute



Real life warfare does not apply to game world. Real life war is as far from fun as it can be.
Title: Re: "horde" moratorium
Post by: EskimoJoe on April 03, 2011, 06:11:52 AM
Real life warfare does not apply to game world. Real life war is as far from fun as it can be.

Unless you're sadistic.. Or masochistic... Then it's heaven.
Title: Re: "horde" moratorium
Post by: LLogann on April 03, 2011, 06:58:56 AM
 :rofl I stopped reading this thread right here...  :aok

The players that hate them the most are those that realize they like to fight but haven't yet learned how to effectively fight the horde yet.  So what I'm saying is, if you detest hordes, it is because you have a lot left to learn.
Title: Re: "horde" moratorium
Post by: SmokinLoon on April 03, 2011, 08:14:09 AM
The players that hate them the most are those that realize they like to fight but haven't yet learned how to effectively fight the horde yet.  So what I'm saying is, if you detest hordes, it is because you have a lot left to learn.

You are such a pompous and assuming individual.  Fighting the hordes involve using the exact opposite logic that the hordes themselves use.  While hordes come in and lay waste to everything they can and use overwhelming numbers, a single defender (with speed) can simply hunt the 1 (or few) important thing that matters to the vHordes' success: the goon.  Better yet, a proactive bloke can keep the ammo bunkers down from the strategically important nearby fields and that too will help stave off the hordes.  I've had good luck and fun coming in at 10k and BnZ'in the vHordes.   
Title: Re: "horde" moratorium
Post by: LLogann on April 03, 2011, 08:18:55 AM
No offense but... Guess which one of this horde is HiVolt?
(http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/406/ahss42.jpg)

EVERYBODY seems to be hording these days.  Stop talking chit.   :D

You are such a pompous and assuming individual.  Fighting the hordes involve using the exact opposite logic that the hordes themselves use.  While hordes come in and lay waste to everything they can and use overwhelming numbers, a single defender (with speed) can simply hunt the 1 (or few) important thing that matters to the vHordes' success: the goon.  Better yet, a proactive bloke can keep the ammo bunkers down from the strategically important nearby fields and that too will help stave off the hordes.  I've had good luck and fun coming in at 10k and BnZ'in the vHordes.    

I should also add though that I can't argue with what the man is saying about horde stoppage.  A couple of goon killers turn what should be a quick swipe into a long drawn out fight to the finish!  Maybe the anti-horde folk should think about it like that a little more often! 
Title: Re: "horde" moratorium
Post by: EskimoJoe on April 03, 2011, 08:20:04 AM
EVERYBODY seems to be hording these days.  Stop talking chit.


Yeah, but mostly the Bishops.
Title: Re: "horde" moratorium
Post by: LLogann on April 03, 2011, 08:20:44 AM
 :bolt:

Yeah, but mostly the Bishops.
Title: Re: "horde" moratorium
Post by: EskimoJoe on April 03, 2011, 08:22:06 AM
I have screenshots if you're interested :devil
Title: Re: "horde" moratorium
Post by: LLogann on April 03, 2011, 08:23:46 AM
 :lol  It's a can of worms I tell you... But, in truth, I'd say we all have screenies of everybody hording or doing some other lamebrain stuff.   :rock  We should start a thread for it even!!! 
Title: Re: "horde" moratorium
Post by: Debrody on April 03, 2011, 08:26:36 AM
Last week the bish tactic on the Grinder map was the following: they all got together, came in amazing numbers, at high altitude, totally blocked a field, took it lightening fast, disappeared as soon as they came then showed up in a different location. We had minor chances to find a fight/furball/interception, call it anything.
I have to say, they were clever and scary organized. The only problem, they were clearly trying to avoid every contact with any enemy who can defend himself with at least a minor chance.
Title: Re: "horde" moratorium
Post by: 321BAR on April 03, 2011, 08:28:05 AM
The players that hate them the most are those that realize they like to fight but haven't yet learned how to effectively fight the horde yet.  So what I'm saying is, if you detest hordes, it is because you have a lot left to learn.
honestly when i see an enemy horde i get happy. if it's not too many enemy vs too few ally, then its a good fight and a good place to learn and hone your skills.
You are such a pompous and assuming individual.  Fighting the hordes involve using the exact opposite logic that the hordes themselves use.  While hordes come in and lay waste to everything they can and use overwhelming numbers, a single defender (with speed) can simply hunt the 1 (or few) important thing that matters to the vHordes' success: the goon.  Better yet, a proactive bloke can keep the ammo bunkers down from the strategically important nearby fields and that too will help stave off the hordes.  I've had good luck and fun coming in at 10k and BnZ'in the vHordes.    
facing the hordes head on requires a severe amount of ACM and SA. if you are lacking in either, you stand a great chance of losing. even coming in with alt and in a four ship or squadron strength unit you're still usually outnumbered and must maintain your E as long as possible to destroy your enemy. (yes, it may be simple to find that one goon but since when has a base taking squad only brought one or two goons? i've seen squads lift with 5 at a time for base takes because they know some will get shot down) so in the end you're going to have to face the hammer of the horde until you find the anvil to stop the take.

Not everyone can up a 262 to hunt goons and good base take units cover the perimeter or CAP the area to stop these hunters anyways (the 20th has done this CAP operation many times while never truly dedicating ourselves to the base takes because it provides us with targets). If the assault stalls, you will start seeing coordinated counter offensives by the enemy to clear the field under fire by flying high alt from another field (i love this because it's usually an even fight and a GOOD one at that for us) :aok

yes i may have over explained this but since when have tactics been easy? It's a chess game of the mind at all times. predict your enemy, be unpredictable. be agressive and defensive at the same time. there is alot more to this topic other than (just kill the goon).

<S> all. my 2 cents to this.
Title: Re: "horde" moratorium
Post by: EskimoJoe on April 03, 2011, 08:29:13 AM
Last week the bish tactic on the Grinder map was the following: they all got together, came in amazing numbers, at high altitude, totally blocked a field, took it lightening fast, disappeared as soon as they came then showed up in a different location. We had minor chances to find a fight/furball/interception, call it anything.
I have to say, they were clever and scary organized. The only problem, they were clearly trying to avoid every contact with any enemy who can defend himself with at least a minor chance.

Yep, that sounds like the Bish to me!
:lol  It's a can of worms I tell you... But, in truth, I'd say we all have screenies of everybody hording or doing some other lamebrain stuff.   :rock  We should start a thread for it even!!! 

Well, this is a thread about hoarding...  :devil
Title: Re: "horde" moratorium
Post by: 321BAR on April 03, 2011, 08:29:55 AM
and yes. what i just wrote actually is informative for once :bolt:

i usually keep my thoughts on this chess game to myself but sometimes i let some of it out because what i wrote is no where near half of what i think of while reading that damn map and the enemy's movements... :lol


Edit: remind me to type faster :rofl
Title: Re: "horde" moratorium
Post by: LLogann on April 03, 2011, 08:32:00 AM
I personally don't want to see the Grinder map go away..........     :(  Off hours is Fun hours right now.  

Last week the bish tactic on the Grinder map was the following: they all got together, came in amazing numbers, at high altitude, totally blocked a field, took it lightening fast, disappeared as soon as they came then showed up in a different location. We had minor chances to find a fight/furball/interception, call it anything.
I have to say, they were clever and scary organized. The only problem, they were clearly trying to avoid every contact with any enemy who can defend himself with at least a minor chance.


hhhhhhmmmmmmm
Well, this is a thread about hoarding...  :devil
Title: Re: "horde" moratorium
Post by: EskimoJoe on April 03, 2011, 08:34:06 AM
and yes. what i just wrote actually is informative for once :bolt:

i usually keep my thoughts on this chess game to myself but sometimes i let some of it out because what i wrote is no where near half of what i think of while reading that damn map and the enemy's movements... :lol


Edit: remind me to type faster :rofl

I don't mean to brag or anything.. I taught myself to type when I was ten or so,
I hit 240wpm in middle-school  :uhoh
Title: Re: "horde" moratorium
Post by: 321BAR on April 03, 2011, 08:38:09 AM
I don't mean to brag or anything.. I taught myself to type when I was ten or so,
I hit 240wpm in middle-school  :uhoh
i was just adding the edit because before i finished my second post as a joke bud. ;)

you got in between my posts FAST :lol
Title: Re: "horde" moratorium
Post by: Debrody on April 03, 2011, 08:42:24 AM
Logan, yes, this thread is about hording. Grizz said that hordes are defeatable, he is right, a larger scale fighter sweep can solve the horde problem. Its that simple as long as they do not disappear to the first sight of danger  ;)
Bar: i know, did that many times. I seen dozens running from 4 high fighters. But 4 fighters in knitland...  :D not as easy to organize. 
Title: Re: "horde" moratorium
Post by: 321BAR on April 03, 2011, 08:45:34 AM
Logan, yes, this thread is about hording. Grizz said that hordes are defeatable, he is right, a larger scale fighter sweep can solve the horde problem. Its that single as long as they do not disappear to the first sight of danger  ;)
debrody. there are so many options to counter a horde, the defender has the complete advantage vs. the offense. but then again the offensive unit can counter any defense they create. it is a painful chess game which the better commander of the operation/or cohesive unit will win. you'd be amazed what 4 fighters can do to CAP an offensive raid....
Title: Re: "horde" moratorium
Post by: waystin2 on April 03, 2011, 10:30:58 AM
(http://www.handmadefishhooks.com/images/home/hand_held_hook_shadow.jpg)
Title: Re: "horde" moratorium
Post by: icepac on April 03, 2011, 10:38:10 AM
I propose that the system should add "tard" at the end of the name displayed whenever anyone uses the spelling "hoard" on channel 200.
Title: Re: "horde" moratorium
Post by: The Fugitive on April 03, 2011, 10:54:04 AM
Well I usually keep quiet and just read but a couple of beers have made me loquacious (sp?).

The word "horde" and folks talking about it being a bad thing is starting to get under my skin.  Yep there are those folks who like to furball, be it in aircraft or even gv's (yes they furball too but in their own little way) but there are others, like myself, who like to take real estate.  I don't especially like to die even in cartoon world.  Do I get ticked off if I die, sometimes, but I try to tell myself it's just a silly game and reup.

For those realtors of us it makes sense to have as much of an advantage as possible when doing our thing to keep our cartoon planes flying.  I don't have a military background but did attend a college that was one of 4 senior military colleges in the states.  This meant that I was in a corps of cadets, lived in barracks-style dorms, wore uniforms and took four total years of Army ROTC.  I never served active duty for personal reasons but hold an extreme respect for those who did/do.  There we learned lots of different things from history to basic squad infantry tactics.  There was an interesting acronym (goodness how the military loves it's acronyms) that I always think of when folks begin to state their disgust in hordes.  This acronym is MOSSMOUSE and here it is spelled out:
Mass
Offensive
Simplicity
Surprise
Maneuver
Objective
Unity of Command
Security
Economy of Force

<snip for space>

This is great....if we were going to war. We are playing a game here. Hordes are bad. If a new player logs on every night for a week and ups where there is a dar bar ( because he's looking for action) he goes head to head with a horde. All this does is get him killed over and over with very few kills, and he logs off in frustration. After that first month if he hasn't learned how to find a fight some other way he is most likely either going to join a horde of his own, or end his subscription. So a small percentage find other fights, a larger percentage add to the hordes, and a percentage quit. 2 out of three of those choices are not good for game play.

You may as well keep detesting us because we certainly aren't going anywhere.

Wanna bet?  :devil  6 months, maybe a year and people won't even remember your squads name. Heck once Little league starts your going to lose half your squad !
Title: Re: "horde" moratorium
Post by: SmokinLoon on April 03, 2011, 11:04:04 AM

Wanna bet?  :devil  6 months, maybe a year and people won't even remember your squads name. Heck once Little league starts your going to lose half your squad !

 :rofl 

The last squad that was purely a hording-base take squad was ... ... well... none are coming to mind, really.  I remember a few I think, but the thing is I know them more now for being muti-purpose, they do many things.  They didnt like being the bench warmer on a winning team.   :)
Title: Re: "horde" moratorium
Post by: redwing7 on April 03, 2011, 11:05:05 AM


Wanna bet?  :devil  6 months, maybe a year and people won't even remember your squads name. Heck once Little league starts your going to lose half your squad !

But if get your post count over 6,000 (mostly whining about people who don't play the game your way) YOU WILL BE IMMORTAL!!! :rofl :rofl :rofl

 :cheers:
Title: Re: "horde" moratorium
Post by: moot on April 03, 2011, 11:10:06 AM
I'm beginning to think that the folks who complain the most about the "hordes" are either too inept to fight them, want everyone to fight where they will get an easy kill
Personally the one thing I dislike about hordes is the hordling attitude.. where if you catch one or two of em on their own, they won't even try to fight you but just run straight back to their swarm.

They are playing a multiplayer game to run away from other players.
Title: Re: "horde" moratorium
Post by: climber on April 03, 2011, 12:01:43 PM
This is great....if we were going to war. We are playing a game here. Hordes are bad. If a new player logs on every night for a week and ups where there is a dar bar ( because he's looking for action) he goes head to head with a horde. All this does is get him killed over and over with very few kills, and he logs off in frustration. After that first month if he hasn't learned how to find a fight some other way he is most likely either going to join a horde of his own, or end his subscription. So a small percentage find other fights, a larger percentage add to the hordes, and a percentage quit. 2 out of three of those choices are not good for game play.

Wanna bet?  :devil  6 months, maybe a year and people won't even remember your squads name. Heck once Little league starts your going to lose half your squad !

<S> Fugitive
Nothing personal but I must beg to differ here.  What does it say on your screen when your country all of the sudden has 90% of its bases and 20% of the other 2 countries bases?   "Your country has won the war".  Why would this be written into the vast code that is AH?  Yes it's not real war with real death and yellow ribbons and all that, i'm based enough in reality to understand the difference between cartoon and real life.  But it seems that HTC created the dynamic arenas that are the Early "War", Mid-"War", and Late "War" for a reason.  The Dueling Arena is there for a reason as well.  It just doesn't get used to the extent as I feel as it should (these are my personal feelings and I'm not trying to impose them on others).  Until that time we in the MA will have to listen to the cries of the individuals who refuse to go to the arena that was made for them. 



After reading my post last night I realized that I had inadvertantly omitted the name of that Pithy acronym.  MOSSMOUSE is called the "9 Principles of War" and is a great base line for determining chances of winning a battle.  You will never have all 9 principles and some may be more powerful than others but the more of these you have on your side the better your chances.



Also, as to the claims that the mega-"horders" will shrivel up and die I have to somewhat disagree.  True if all that you do is play as a small cog in the massive attack time after time you may get burned out especially if your attack fails to accomplish its mission once or twice.  But the mission based massive attack has a much better chance of holding players attention with various aircraft sets, mission roles, and base types than a simple gameplay of "upping fighter, fly to 5k, engage, die, repeat".  My squad has been around for quite some time.  We look for individuals that want to learn all of the game and take advantage of what it has to offer.  We have pilots that have stood the test of time and remember the "good ole days" and teach new players how to take bases, defend, fly quality ACM and tell great stories while doing it.  Sounds like a good future for AH to me...

-Climber
77th FS "Gamblers"
trying to avoid replying in the BBS
Title: Re: "horde" moratorium
Post by: The Fugitive on April 03, 2011, 12:18:13 PM
I could just as easily say "You have won the GAME".

Yes overwhelming numbers is great in war, but this is a game. If you WIN all the fights why play? Wouldn't it be a bit boring to ALWAYS have the upper hand? To ALWAYS roll over a base. And how does the players on the other side .... who are here by choice to "play" not fight for a belief or their life.... justify fighting against the same frustrating horde. Why pay for frustration when they thought they were paying for fun?
Title: Re: "horde" moratorium
Post by: kvuo75 on April 03, 2011, 12:34:59 PM
But if get your post count over 6,000 (mostly whining about people who don't play the game your way) YOU WILL BE IMMORTAL!!! :rofl :rofl :rofl

 :cheers:

it's true tho.. rolling thunder used to be the horde squad.. what happened?


horde squads don't last.  people get bored with it.. taking bases is easy with a horde. not fun after awhile.

Title: Re: "horde" moratorium
Post by: Shane on April 03, 2011, 12:39:38 PM
checks post count....   :bhead

must....  :noid
post....  :banana:
more....  :bolt:

 :old:
Title: Re: "horde" moratorium
Post by: JUGgler on April 03, 2011, 12:41:55 PM
I seek out, encourage, study, and embrace the horde. I then selfessly give it "jet therapy"


I am so giving! :aok

I  :salute the rejects without them the game would be less fun for some of us  :t



JUGgler
Title: Re: "horde" moratorium
Post by: skorpion on April 03, 2011, 12:52:37 PM
and yes. what i just wrote actually is informative for once :bolt:

i usually keep my thoughts on this chess game to myself but sometimes i let some of it out because what i wrote is no where near half of what i think of while reading that damn map and the enemy's movements... :lol


Edit: remind me to type faster :rofl

all your writing in that other post hurt my brain. you never type that much...



(PS-write faster)
Title: Re: "horde" moratorium
Post by: redwing7 on April 03, 2011, 01:55:05 PM
it's true tho.. rolling thunder used to be the horde squad.. what happened..

I'm hurt...we where once considered a horde squad :cry (end sarcasm) Yes it's true we used to take a lot of bases, some squads change the way they operate in the MA some don't....eh...big deal...The one thing that remains the same are the whines about the way squads operate, wether it's hording, ganging, tool shedding, etc.
My objective in this game has never nor will it ever change...to have fun. If that ever does change, I will know it's time to leave...


horde squads don't last.  people get bored with it.. taking bases is easy with a horde. not fun after awhile.



To bad the same cannot be said of complaining.....
checks post count....   :bhead

must....  :noid
post....  :banana:
more....  :bolt:

 :old:

That's the spirit... :rofl

 :cheers:
Title: Re: "horde" moratorium
Post by: ink on April 03, 2011, 02:25:00 PM
 :rofl

i just gotta laugh at the v guys...the other day I came in at ALT and saw 4 nme cons on one friendly, by time I got there the friendly was dead, so here it is me against 4.....I figure "good fight"   I had a 1500 alt advantage was the ONLY green guy around.....wanna guess what the FOUR nme cons do?...................nose down and run away.......straight up I was flabbergasted....how sad is that....in a PvP combat game 4 nme cons run from one.

I have Zero respect for these guys...I don't care how you try to twist it around "oh we are using "tactics"  or what ever excuse you can come up with

"mossmouse"   :rofl :rofl   

LAME is the only word that describes your game play

Title: Re: "horde" moratorium
Post by: kvuo75 on April 03, 2011, 03:22:32 PM
My objective in this game has never nor will it ever change...to have fun.

agreed!  :aok
Title: Re: "horde" moratorium
Post by: redwing7 on April 03, 2011, 04:19:49 PM
agreed!  :aok

 :salute

 :cheers:
Title: Re: "horde" moratorium
Post by: 321BAR on April 04, 2011, 07:31:36 PM
all your writing in that other post hurt my brain. you never type that much...



(PS-write faster)
what i wrote in the long post is only part of what goes through my mind everytime i'm on this game :aok
Title: Re: "horde" moratorium
Post by: AAJagerX on April 05, 2011, 06:49:04 PM
:rofl

i just gotta laugh at the v guys...the other day I came in at ALT and saw 4 nme cons on one friendly, by time I got there the friendly was dead, so here it is me against 4.....I figure "good fight"   I had a 1500 alt advantage was the ONLY green guy around.....wanna guess what the FOUR nme cons do?...................nose down and run away.......straight up I was flabbergasted....how sad is that....in a PvP combat game 4 nme cons run from one.

I have Zero respect for these guys...I don't care how you try to twist it around "oh we are using "tactics"  or what ever excuse you can come up with

"mossmouse"   :rofl :rofl   

LAME is the only word that describes your game play


Oh to be on their range vox at that time...  Priceless wouldn't even begin to describe it.
Title: Re: "horde" moratorium
Post by: LLogann on April 05, 2011, 07:17:11 PM
 :uhoh  I could have sworn this thread was dead..............   :huh

 :lol
Title: Re: "horde" moratorium
Post by: skorpion on April 05, 2011, 07:48:02 PM
what i wrote in the long post is only part of what goes through my mind everytime i'm on this game :aok
dear god...
Title: Re: "horde" moratorium
Post by: oTRALFZo on April 05, 2011, 09:06:48 PM
I'm hurt...we where once considered a horde squad :cry (end sarcasm) Yes it's true we used to take a lot of bases, some squads change the way they operate in the MA some don't....eh...big deal...The one thing that remains the same are the whines about the way squads operate, wether it's hording, ganging, tool shedding, etc.
My objective in this game has never nor will it ever change...to have fun. If that ever does change, I will know it's time to leave...


I give you guys full credit. You guys have been a blast to fly with and a pain in the arse to fight against. ( Proof is in the film of shukes getting shot down by jarbo repeatidly :rofl)

Point being that when you are a force to be reckoned with, you make it fun FOR EVERYONE and thats what its all about.

Hording I can see can be fun, but being a one sided fun while greifing others just gets old
Title: Re: "horde" moratorium
Post by: The Fugitive on April 05, 2011, 09:16:33 PM
I give you guys full credit. You guys have been a blast to fly with and a pain in the arse to fight against. ( Proof is in the film of shukes getting shot down by jarbo repeatidly :rofl)

Point being that when you are a force to be reckoned with, you make it fun FOR EVERYONE and thats what its all about.

Hording I can see can be fun, but being a one sided fun while greifing others just gets old

BINGO !!!

I think that's the thing I have the hardest time understanding about hordes. They are like the big kid in the neighborhood. On one hand they can control all that power and all the kids in the neighborhood can have fun together, or he can just run around trying to kick everyone's butt not caring who he runs over.

The first way everyone has fun, he helps the smaller kids to climb trees with a boost and so on.

The other way, all the kids avoid him, nobody plays with him, he is the butt of everyone else jokes/pranks, and he doesn't have any friends.

Sound familiar?
Title: Re: "horde" moratorium
Post by: LLogann on April 05, 2011, 09:23:26 PM
Just to clear up your confusion.................He's talking about us, not them.    :D

BINGO !!!

I think that's the thing I have the hardest time understanding about hordes. They are like the big kid in the neighborhood. On one hand they can control all that power and all the kids in the neighborhood can have fun together, or he can just run around trying to kick everyone's butt not caring who he runs over.

The first way everyone has fun, he helps the smaller kids to climb trees with a boost and so on.

The other way, all the kids avoid him, nobody plays with him, he is the butt of everyone else jokes/pranks, and he doesn't have any friends.

Sound familiar?

 :cheers:
Title: Re: "horde" moratorium
Post by: redwing7 on April 06, 2011, 07:49:14 AM
I give you guys full credit. You guys have been a blast to fly with and a pain in the arse to fight against. ( Proof is in the film of shukes getting shot down by jarbo repeatidly :rofl)

Point being that when you are a force to be reckoned with, you make it fun FOR EVERYONE and thats what its all about.

Hording I can see can be fun, but being a one sided fun while greifing others just gets old

 :cheers: