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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Curlew on April 06, 2011, 11:57:32 AM
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Can we just change my name to stumblemiester already? Either way Stumble upon has lead me to another great site worth sharing. These 109 photos of the red army are very interesting, to be honest I have always had a fascinated with the eastern front. I pulled out a few of my favorites, feel free to do the same.
http://www.themysteryworld.com/2010/11/red-army-during-world-war-ii-109-pics.html
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_2LZPKXLrIGQ/TOUaRGGPQeI/AAAAAAAAAE8/1xswsf0XanE/s1600/armia-czerwona-18.jpg)
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~Enjoy~
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nice ty
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The Red Army was on the USS California at Pearl Harbor? :)
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The Red Army was on the USS California at Pearl Harbor? :)
LOL... There was several photos in that collection that did not belong.
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LOL... There was several photos in that collection that did not belong.
Noticed that too. B17s, bombs falling from 17s, T54 or T55s rolling into Hungary. Some good stuff though :)
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Anyone interested in reading or researching the Eastern Front I have always highly recommend "Barbarossa Im Bild" By Paul Carell.
It's in German but if you can find an English version it's probably one of the most in-depth books on the subject. Tons of BW and color photos (obviously) as well as detailed maps.
ebay might have copies available. I paid about $20 dollars for hard cover 30 years ago in Lueneburg.
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Did the Russians had a Calvary most of the war or just in the beginning?
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They had cavalry divisions throughout the war. More at the end than at the start.
Their composition changed a lot though, and in the end they were used in so called cavalry-mechanized groups consisting of a cavalry corps (3 divisions each including a tank regiment of T-34s) and a tank or mechanized corps.
As an example the 1st Cavalry-Mechanized Group in July 1944, just before Operation Bagration that annihilated Army Group Center started, contained 133 T-34s, 47 T-60/T-70s, 50 Lend-Lease tanks, 20 SU-85, 49 SU-76, 1 ISU-152 and 3 SU-122.
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They had cavalry divisions throughout the war. More at the end than at the start.
Their composition changed a lot though, and in the end they were used in so called cavalry-mechanized groups consisting of a cavalry corps (3 divisions each including a tank regiment of T-34s) and a tank or mechanized corps.
As an example the 1st Cavalry-Mechanized Group in July 1944, just before Operation Bagration that annihilated Army Group Center started, contained 133 T-34s, 47 T-60/T-70s, 50 Lend-Lease tanks, 20 SU-85, 49 SU-76, 1 ISU-152 and 3 SU-122.
I should have been more specific. i was refer to the cavalry using horse. But thanks for that info, really did not know much on the mechanized groups.
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They still used horses too. When i pointed out the tank regiment in the cavalry division I was omitting the 3 cavalry regiments they also consisted of . The authorized ammount in that group cav-mech group would be something like 15,000 horses.
However, they were used as transport. They would normally fight dismounted. Just like motorized infantry wouldn't fight from their trucks.
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In that last picture, are those PTRS-41's or PTRD's?
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In that last picture, are those PTRS-41's or PTRD's?
Looks like a mixture of both. Look at the flash suppressors.
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either way, I'd feel sorry for any armored car that they came across
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They still used horses too. When i pointed out the tank regiment in the cavalry division I was omitting the 3 cavalry regiments they also consisted of . The authorized ammount in that group cav-mech group would be something like 15,000 horses.
However, they were used as transport. They would normally fight dismounted. Just like motorized infantry wouldn't fight from their trucks.
I am a bit surprise that there was that many horses, even at the end of the war.
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I am a bit surprise that there was that many horses, even at the end of the war.
I think that photo of the calvary was in the early part of the war. There were many calvary units at the beginning of the war, but most trasitioned to armoured units by 1942. From one of my books on the Polish Lancers, I found this;
The Samodzielna Warzawska Brygada Kawalerii -was a cavalry brigade fighting on the side of the Soviet Union as part of the 1. Armia WP, the 1st Polish People's Army.
Poland still used mounted troops during the early part of WW2. After release from Russian prisoner of war camps, the Poles still fought as an exiled Army and were armed by the British and US. The lancer units transitioned into armored units.
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I think that photo of the calvary was in the early part of the war. There were many calvary units at the beginning of the war, but most trasitioned to armoured units by 1942. From one of my books on the Polish Lancers, I found this;
I knew how the Polish face off against the German panzer in the opening of the war. Cannot image what the German must have been thinking when they see a Calvary of Polish horses attacking them. What about the middle and end of the war? I understand that food was ration and sure that many horses where slaughter for food.
I read how the U.S. troops in the Philippians used horses in a calvary charge on a Japaneses gun placement (1942). It was the last time, in my understanding, U.S. used horses in fighting.
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From every book I've ever read that talked about the Polish Lancers (there are very few references in the history books), I have not found any evidence to show they were actively in combat with horses after 1939.
Here's a website that shows the Germans using their calvary in the invasion of Poland, 1939. The horses were used mostly as transports and not a combat unit. http://www.ww2.pl/The,1939,Campaign,22.html (http://www.ww2.pl/The,1939,Campaign,22.html)
On another website, this listed a few of the calvary charges during WWII. This site mentions your reference to the US troops in the Philippines and a few that I was not aware of. http://www.suite101.com/content/the-last-cavalry-charges-a66100 (http://www.suite101.com/content/the-last-cavalry-charges-a66100)
Needless to say, I would agree with you. Horses became a rare commodity and thus the last of the organized units to use them ended early in the war.
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From every book I've ever read that talked about the Polish Lancers (there are very few references in the history books), I have not found any evidence to show they were actively in combat with horses after 1939.
Here's a website that shows the Germans using their calvary in the invasion of Poland, 1939. The horses were used mostly as transports and not a combat unit. http://www.ww2.pl/The,1939,Campaign,22.html (http://www.ww2.pl/The,1939,Campaign,22.html)
On another website, this listed a few of the calvary charges during WWII. This site mentions your reference to the US troops in the Philippines and a few that I was not aware of. http://www.suite101.com/content/the-last-cavalry-charges-a66100 (http://www.suite101.com/content/the-last-cavalry-charges-a66100)
Needless to say, I would agree with you. Horses became a rare commodity and thus the last of the organized units to use them ended early in the war.
Maybe i mis-read something about that. I will have to look again on that.
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You know what, I was wrong about the last charge being in 1939. I did find another web page that shows the last calvary charge was on March 1, 1945 made by the 1st Warsaw Calvary Brigade. These were Polish units fighting with the Soviets till the end of the war.
link: [url]http://www.suite101.com/content/the-polish-wwii-cavalry-in-1939-a66108/url]
I hate to use website as definitive proof, but this is the only source I could find on the Polish troops fighting with the Soviets in 1945. Bear in mind though, much of my books about Poland in WWII are written about the Polish fight against the Germans and the Soviets. Many of the authors are less than polite when it came to talking about the Red Army.
There are so many myths about the Polish forces during WWII. It's easy to mistake fact from a work of fiction. Finding books on the subject are very difficult to find. Most of my reading is from journals and articles about the subjects.
link: [url]http://www.polamjournal.com/Library/APHistory/Cavalry_Myth/cavalry_myth.html/url]
But, it's a great conversation topic.
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You know what, I was wrong about the last charge being in 1939. I did find another web page that shows the last calvary charge was on March 1, 1945 made by the 1st Warsaw Calvary Brigade. These were Polish units fighting with the Soviets till the end of the war.
link: [url]http://www.suite101.com/content/the-polish-wwii-cavalry-in-1939-a66108/url]
I hate to use website as definitive proof, but this is the only source I could find on the Polish troops fighting with the Soviets in 1945. Bear in mind though, much of my books about Poland in WWII are written about the Polish fight against the Germans and the Soviets. Many of the authors are less than polite when it came to talking about the Red Army.
There are so many myths about the Polish forces during WWII. It's easy to mistake fact from a work of fiction. Finding books on the subject are very difficult to find. Most of my reading is from journals and articles about the subjects.
link: [url]http://www.polamjournal.com/Library/APHistory/Cavalry_Myth/cavalry_myth.html/url]
But, it's a great conversation topic.
See if the info is cited.