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Title: Touch screen USB adaptor
Post by: Delirium on April 06, 2011, 06:52:18 PM
I'm reading there is a USB device that overlays any monitor that will enable the monitor to turn into a touch screen device.

Has anyone ever used this kind of device before? If so, how functional was it?
Title: Re: Touch screen USB adaptor
Post by: Wraith_TMS on April 06, 2011, 07:26:41 PM
I'm reading there is a USB device that overlays any monitor that will enable the monitor to turn into a touch screen device.

Has anyone ever used this kind of device before? If so, how functional was it?

Deliirum, I have never heard of that but it sounds like a terrific piece of hardware if it exists.  It would be interesting to know more about it. 

The only thing that comes close that I know of is this: http://www.touch-buddy.com/forums/faq/18-master-faq.html (http://www.touch-buddy.com/forums/faq/18-master-faq.html) 

This utility (freeware) works on touch-screens, so it's really just the software GUI.  I've read that it can be made to work with AH, but I've never tried it.  Just passing on the link for what it's worth.  :cheers:

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Title: Re: Touch screen USB adaptor
Post by: Delirium on April 06, 2011, 08:44:38 PM
From what I've read, it is an overlay that is USB powered/controlled.

I'm looking into it as a cost effective alternative to regular touch screens for work, I was just curious if anyone had any experience with them.
Title: Re: Touch screen USB adaptor
Post by: Reschke on April 06, 2011, 11:15:30 PM
I'm reading there is a USB device that overlays any monitor that will enable the monitor to turn into a touch screen device.

Has anyone ever used this kind of device before? If so, how functional was it?

That would be super functional in a "glass" cockpit for some of my other sims like A-10C and DCS:Blackshark. It would make working on the different radio controls for both aircraft much, much easier and would be cool to have with my TM Cougar panels with USB monitors pulling FLIR and targeting pod data.
Title: Re: Touch screen USB adaptor
Post by: mipoikel on April 07, 2011, 06:56:13 AM
Something like this? http://www.irtouch.com/
Title: Re: Touch screen USB adaptor
Post by: Noir on April 07, 2011, 07:32:16 AM
I used this kind of screen a lot when I worked with retail sellers.

I could write a boring wall of text but at the end, if you don't use specific made software for use on touch screens, its not very useful and quite a hinder. Using windows XP for starters is challenging at best.
Title: Re: Touch screen USB adaptor
Post by: Shiva on April 10, 2011, 09:32:07 AM
From what I've read, it is an overlay that is USB powered/controlled.

I'm looking into it as a cost effective alternative to regular touch screens for work, I was just curious if anyone had any experience with them.
No experience per se, but we bought a number of them at work to put on the monitors of the outpatient kiosks we're deploying as a test.

Touchscreens as an input device have only caught on in a limited number of specific applications because of a condition known as 'gorilla arm', which pretty well eliminated the vertically-mounted touch screen for anything more than intermittent use -- humans are not ergonomically suited for making small gestures with their arm extended in front of them for any length of time. As a result, the market for them tends to be pretty specialized.
Title: Re: Touch screen USB adaptor
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on April 12, 2011, 12:37:49 AM
I used this kind of screen a lot when I worked with retail sellers.

I could write a boring wall of text but at the end, if you don't use specific made software for use on touch screens, its not very useful and quite a hinder. Using windows XP for starters is challenging at best.

Win8 is rumored to be optimized for touch interface. Which of course could be very bad news for the rest of us who already struggle with Vista/Win7 GUI changes.
Title: Re: Touch screen USB adaptor
Post by: Noir on April 12, 2011, 07:08:45 AM
Win7's taskbar is already optimised for touch interfaces, I tried those HP all in one touchscreen computers and it was OK, but as said before working hours in that position can be painful. Likewise I can use a wacom tablet for Win7 use without any worries.

Cmon guys Win7 isn't that hard, when you get used to it XP is just a pain in the ****
Title: Re: Touch screen USB adaptor
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on April 12, 2011, 07:41:40 AM
Win7's taskbar is already optimised for touch interfaces, I tried those HP all in one touchscreen computers and it was OK, but as said before working hours in that position can be painful. Likewise I can use a wacom tablet for Win7 use without any worries.

Cmon guys Win7 isn't that hard, when you get used to it XP is just a pain in the ****

Yeah try guiding a customer to his network settings on XP and then on 7 - which one is easyer? :D Or get him to change folder settings to show hidden files/file extensions with the hidden menus :D Or try to locate his virtual user host after UAC.. blehh..
Title: Re: Touch screen USB adaptor
Post by: Noir on April 12, 2011, 09:25:56 AM
I did not support Win7 yet, but I guess that it takes some adaptation for sure! Maybe I should offer myself a Win7 Certification.... :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Touch screen USB adaptor
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on April 12, 2011, 09:56:41 AM
I did not support Win7 yet, but I guess that it takes some adaptation for sure! Maybe I should offer myself a Win7 Certification.... :rolleyes:

No certification is going to replace going from 3 simple steps to 5+ on many items. They hid things to make it less confusing for non computer savvy people and made everything more difficult in the process.
Title: Re: Touch screen USB adaptor
Post by: Skuzzy on April 12, 2011, 10:09:58 AM
I am with Ripley on this one.  The native Windows 7 GUI is clumsy to deal with.  You cannot find anything.  It is very frustrating.  Microsoft tries so hard to force you into a shoebox it makes using the OS an exercise in frustration. 

The XP GUI is so much easier to navigate and configure.

Look at what UAC has forced many software companies to do.  Move thier application out of the "Program Files" folder so they can control where thier data and configuration files reside.  This has led to a mess of folders all over the file system.  If you are stuck on the support end of this mess, it is a nightmare.

Aero sucks, unless you enjoy clicking mouse buttons, because it added a lot more clicks to get the same thing you could do in XP.  No benefits at all, just more clicks.

Title: Re: Touch screen USB adaptor
Post by: Krusty on April 12, 2011, 10:17:00 AM
Most professionals I've seen use touch screens get frustrated trying to press the right thing, finding it clunky, slow, and then it gets dirty naturally.

Touch screens for computers are not as intuitive as you might think, IMO. They're annoying, and unfriendly. I think they will be a fad/niche and then go away permanently. Phones, on the other hand, being small and compact, will use them for a long time to come. Full computer systems with monitors? I would doubt it. If you've got room to put a keyboard you can put a mouse.

I'll wait til neural interfaces transmit your eye position for the computer and you mentally click as needed  :devil
Title: Re: Touch screen USB adaptor
Post by: Skuzzy on April 12, 2011, 10:23:14 AM
Yes, i get very frustrated trying to use a phone touch screen.  I destroyed my Wifes Samsung Galaxy one day, because I got so frustrated with it I slammed it into a concrete wall.

She does not allow me near her phone anymore and I will keep my little flip phone sans touch screen as long as it will work.

Touchscreens are just gimmicks.  I feel the same way about GUI's in general.
Title: Re: Touch screen USB adaptor
Post by: Killer91 on April 12, 2011, 10:35:51 AM
Yes, i get very frustrated trying to use a phone touch screen.  I destroyed my Wifes Samsung Galaxy one day, because I got so frustrated with it I slammed it into a concrete wall.

She does not allow me near her phone anymore and I will keep my little flip phone sans touch screen as long as it will work.

Touchscreens are just gimmicks.  I feel the same way about GUI's in general.

glad I'm not the only person who can't use touchscreens. I have a little Samsung slider phone and I refuse to upgrade to a touchscreen. Everyone I have used is laggy and the buttons are to small for my fingers (and I have small fingers so I can't imagine what its like for people with larger fingers) so I wind up hitting 2 or 3 buttons everytime I click. They're just downright frustrating. :bhead
Title: Re: Touch screen USB adaptor
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on April 12, 2011, 02:22:07 PM
glad I'm not the only person who can't use touchscreens. I have a little Samsung slider phone and I refuse to upgrade to a touchscreen. Everyone I have used is laggy and the buttons are to small for my fingers (and I have small fingers so I can't imagine what its like for people with larger fingers) so I wind up hitting 2 or 3 buttons everytime I click. They're just downright frustrating. :bhead

Have you tried iPhone? It's the only touch screen I've used in addition to Nokia N9x and it doesn't lag and it's super easy to use. The Nokia was an absolute nightmare and I almost did the Skuzzy in 2 minutes and it wasn't even mine! My uncle asked me to set it up for him (Ovi account etc.) and after having just done the same on iPhone I found out how bad a phone and service setup can be in comparison.
Title: Re: Touch screen USB adaptor
Post by: Killer91 on April 12, 2011, 02:46:31 PM
Have you tried iPhone? It's the only touch screen I've used in addition to Nokia N9x and it doesn't lag and it's super easy to use. The Nokia was an absolute nightmare and I almost did the Skuzzy in 2 minutes and it wasn't even mine! My uncle asked me to set it up for him (Ovi account etc.) and after having just done the same on iPhone I found out how bad a phone and service setup can be in comparison.

No I've never got to use one. I've never actually owned a touchscreen but I've tried out other people's phones. I've tried a Samsung eternity, Samsung impresion, some LG phone and an a touchscreen blackberry (I think thats what it was?). I couldn't stand any of them. I hate not knowing if I actually pushed a button. At least with my phone I still have a normal keyboard with 3 or 4 letters on the 2-9 keys and I can feel the button click when I push it. Idk maybe it just takes some getting used to not getting any feedback from the phone but it drives me absolutely crazy. Not to mention by the time you put a full keyboard on one of those phones the buttons are just to small for me to hit efficiently.
Title: Re: Touch screen USB adaptor
Post by: Skuzzy on April 12, 2011, 03:01:11 PM
The Samsung Galaxy (my Wifes phone) screen is larger than the iPhone screen (just a little), and it drives me nuts.  A friend of mine handed me his iPhone once and I looked at it for a minute, diddled a bit, got it locked up and handed it back to him.

He had to hard reset the phone.  Pissed him off a bit.  Seems a hard reset causes a loss of config information.  Or something I did caused it.

I really do not know what I did.  All I know is I did it good.
Title: Re: Touch screen USB adaptor
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on April 12, 2011, 03:34:03 PM
The Samsung Galaxy (my Wifes phone) screen is larger than the iPhone screen (just a little), and it drives me nuts.  A friend of mine handed me his iPhone once and I looked at it for a minute, diddled a bit, got it locked up and handed it back to him.

He had to hard reset the phone.  Pissed him off a bit.  Seems a hard reset causes a loss of config information.  Or something I did caused it.

I really do not know what I did.  All I know is I did it good.

Heh the earlier firmware in iPhone 3 could do that randomly. It happened to me twice. Haven't had a lockup yet with the 4 though.
Title: Re: Touch screen USB adaptor
Post by: Noir on April 13, 2011, 02:41:27 AM
What I like Win7's interface is how they regrouped the shortcuts to launch the applications, and the applications you are currently running in a single group of icons. Just one look and you know what is running or not. If you launch a lot of applications XP can get tedious to manage! Hate me I also like the looks of win7, nowadays machines are so powerful some niceties in the OS can't hurt!

I do agree that the overlay to access system and network settings is a hinder, but on the bright side you don't have to access them as much as in WinXP IMO.
Title: Re: Touch screen USB adaptor
Post by: guncrasher on April 13, 2011, 03:17:50 AM
skuzzy I would love for you to have a droid x.  ok I would love to have the mods that you would do to it, if you had time  :D.

semp
Title: Re: Touch screen USB adaptor
Post by: Skuzzy on April 13, 2011, 10:19:12 AM
I sketched up a new GUI design for my Wifes phone, but gave up on that due to the mess involved in getting any app to a Droid phone.  More work than writting the app itself.
Title: Re: Touch screen USB adaptor
Post by: clerick on April 14, 2011, 02:27:35 AM
*cough* WebOS *cough*   :P
Title: Re: Touch screen USB adaptor
Post by: Noir on April 14, 2011, 03:18:19 AM
Best GUI for Droid phones is LauncherPro IMO. As for installing non market apps you just need to tick the correct option that permits the execution of non market apps, then put the apk file in the correct folder. You may have to use a file manager software to do that, like ASTRO.
Title: Re: Touch screen USB adaptor
Post by: Skuzzy on April 14, 2011, 09:21:56 AM
*cough* WebOS *cough*   :P

No idea what that means.

Best GUI for Droid phones is LauncherPro IMO. As for installing non market apps you just need to tick the correct option that permits the execution of non market apps, then put the apk file in the correct folder. You may have to use a file manager software to do that, like ASTRO.

Riiiiiighhtt.  Whatever the heck that means.  I have already removed the dev enironment from my Linux box and will not go back to it.  The whole thing is one fragmented piece of work.  I am amazed anyone can write anything for it and get it published.  As much as I dislike programming in Windows, at least it is a well documented environment.  Pisses off the Wife unit as she really wanted the UI I cooked up.
Title: Re: Touch screen USB adaptor
Post by: mipoikel on April 14, 2011, 10:12:32 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebOS

https://developer.palm.com/

 :bolt:
Title: Re: Touch screen USB adaptor
Post by: Skuzzy on April 14, 2011, 10:48:24 AM
I know what WebOS is, I just do not know why it would be applicable here.  Once HP acquired it, it became a non-player in the open market.  HP does not do "open" anything.  Not going to waste any time at all on anything related to HP.
Title: Re: Touch screen USB adaptor
Post by: clerick on April 16, 2011, 01:20:40 AM
I know what WebOS is, I just do not know why it would be applicable here.  Once HP acquired it, it became a non-player in the open market.  HP does not do "open" anything.  Not going to waste any time at all on anything related to HP.

So far this hasn't been the case at all, they have continued Palm's "have at it" policy.
Title: Re: Touch screen USB adaptor
Post by: Skuzzy on April 18, 2011, 09:09:27 AM
So far this hasn't been the case at all, they have continued Palm's "have at it" policy.

You cannot count on that.  HP is notorious for altering how they do business.  They will do so without any concern to supporting the old way.  I have seen this happen too many times in thier history.