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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: JUGgler on April 09, 2011, 10:37:47 AM
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Is this some new strategy? Is there some bennefit to it?
Ran into this 3 times this morning, looks as though bailing from 5K out seems to nullify even proxies, is this true?
I usually don't fly in the morning, can't say I've knowingly run in to this in the MA yet. I'ts kind of irritating to climb up to the stratoshere (cause NOTHING else is goin on) only to have them bail. I would think it would be irritating for the "bailer" also, to have climbed that high wasting all that time?
I don't get it?
JUGgler
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its the "strategy" of the bomb-n-bail crowd to not give kills away to the ones who pursue them. That is one of the reasons that I think ALL of the heavy bombers should have a small perk price added to make the bomb-n-bail crowd stop their antics. The amount of destruction the heavy buffs can cause is amazing, yet there is no repercussion for just bailing on a whim time and time again.
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The bomb and bailers have been around forever and no proxie if you're not within 2K.
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Is this some new strategy? Is there some bennefit to it?
Ran into this 3 times this morning, looks as though bailing from 5K out seems to nullify even proxies, is this true?
I usually don't fly in the morning, can't say I've knowingly run in to this in the MA yet. I'ts kind of irritating to climb up to the stratoshere (cause NOTHING else is goin on) only to have them bail. I would think it would be irritating for the "bailer" also, to have climbed that high wasting all that time?
I don't get it?
JUGgler
:lol Welcome to the club :cry
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i've noticed some people in fighters doing that...doesn't make any sense but if there is a way to game the game people will do it.
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I've done it if I'm in a 152 or something and there's a horde of 10+ 400 behind me, no point trying to fight that.
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The bomb and bailers have been around forever and no proxie if you're not within 2K.
Proxy range should be extended to 6K. Bailing from a bomber that has not taken significant structural damage from enemy fire rendering it unflyable should result in automatic capture or death.
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I've done it if I'm in a 152 or something and there's a horde of 10+ 400 behind me, no point trying to fight that.
ALWAYS fight that! :rock :rock
:bhead
JUGgler
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I've done it if I'm in a 152 or something and there's a horde of 10+ 400 behind me, no point trying to fight that.
NEVER GIVE UP, NEVER SURRENDER!
(http://dudelol.com/DO-NOT-HOTLINK-IMAGES/Never-give-up-never-surrender.jpg)
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NEVER GIVE UP, NEVER SURRENDER!
(http://dudelol.com/DO-NOT-HOTLINK-IMAGES/Never-give-up-never-surrender.jpg)
:lol
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Let's play with a little more class guys. Well actually I do it in ground vehicles from time to time but I'm not proud of it.
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I despise people who bomb and bail. There is no greater coward I despise in this game than someone who bombs and bails.
Gaming the game crowd has no greater coward than a bomb and bail tardlet.
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^^ that
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^^ that
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I despise people who bomb and bail. There is no greater coward I despise in this game than someone who bombs and bails.
Gaming the game crowd has no greater coward than a bomb and bail tardlet.
Bomb and bail guys may be doing it for expediency. Never bombing, then bailing anyway is the one I don't understand :huh
JUGgler
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Maybe we should have a bail message if you bail from an undamaged plane, something like this;
"NoNads" has not so bravely bailed from undamaged Lancs"
:aok
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to quote a very over used and lame line "it's there $15" personally its stupid do bail to avoid death
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Is this some new strategy?
It is only new if we define "new" as anything originating after the release of AH 1.00.
Bomb and bail guys may be doing it for expediency. Never bombing, then bailing anyway is the one I don't understand :huh
No, the vast majority of them only bail when they are about to be intercepted. They do it to avoid a death on their "score". The easiest fix I can think of would be to make bailing out of an undamaged unit count as a death on scores.
I suspect there is a minority of them who don't care about score as much as depriving the other guy of some kills.
I despise people who bomb and bail. There is no greater coward I despise in this game than someone who bombs and bails.
Gaming the game crowd has no greater coward than a bomb and bail tardlet.
This.
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I never bomb & bail. I have bailed before when I failed to inflict considerable damage or was in a hurry to re-up, and it was a long & pointless flight home. I have been discoed during a long dog-fight with a worthy opponent just as he fails to get the solution or is nearly in front of my guns DISCO! What? You gotta be sh-ting me? It NEVER happens when nothing is going on. :headscratch: :old: Ooops! not a hijack
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I've done it if I'm in a 152 or something and there's a horde of 10+ 400 behind me, no point trying to fight that.
How very sad. Maybe the point would be to survive that, I would take that as a victory if it was me. Maybe the point would be to just kill one guy before they finished you, I would certainly take that as a victory. Maybe the point would be to steal their E and drag them to a position where your allies could kill them, I would take that as a victory even if none of the kills were mine.
The point IS trying to fight that.
When I played Warbirds I was a complete unapologetic dweeb who bailed to deny kills. There is nothing I find more embarrassing then the way I used to play. When I came over to Aces High I decided that all that dweebery would not follow me. I have been here 15 months now and I have ZERO bails. When and if I ever quit Aces High, I will have ZERO bails.
I sure like playing Aces High.
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Krup always fights it out. The number of times I've seen him getting ganged and coming out alive is more than I can count. I think we've all had frustrating moments where we find ourselves getting ganged, once again, on the deck and we simply just give up. Even toon warriors like Krup have moments of weakness. :old:
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Krup always fights it out. The number of times I've seen him getting ganged and coming out alive is more than I can count. I think we've all had frustrating moments where we find ourselves getting ganged, once again, on the deck and we simply just give up. Even toon warriors like Krup have moments of weakness. :old:
What Grizz said, and of course in that situation if I have any kind of E I'll stay alive as long as I can, but with no E on the deck and missing parts? No chance.
I remember one time I was flying the 152 and I lost almost all my E in a 5v1 situation... Knowing my 152 could hang longer than the planes behind me I found a mountain at a 45 degree angle and followed it up... everyone of the cons behind me hit the mountain while I put my plane down as gently as I could when I reached stall speed.
Oh and Zony, I've never even heard of you, care to share some of your victorious 10+ engagements?
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What Grizz said, and of course in that situation if I have any kind of E I'll stay alive as long as I can, but with no E on the deck and missing parts? No chance.
I remember one time I was flying the 152 and I lost all my E in a 5v1 situation... Knowing my 152 could hang longer than the planes behind me I found a mountain at a 45 degree angle and followed it up... everyone of the cons behind me hit the mountain while I put my plane down as gently as I could when I reached stall speed.
Oh and Zony, I've never even heard of you, care to share some of your victorious 10+ engagements?
:lol Nice.
Survival doesn't happen often in those situations but when it does, it is oh so sweet and makes for beautiful film.
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I bail out when I have lost a complete wing or tail section, or when I am on fire. I liken this to a realistic bail.
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I'll bail sometimes so the right guy gets my kill. eg. fight for a few mins 1v1 and take a coupla pings, then 4 other guys dive in to pick, evade, dive out then bail once the dweebs have burnt all their E :aok
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Oh and Zony, I've never even heard of you, care to share some of your victorious 10+ engagements?
I apologize Krupinski. It was not my intention to show you specifically in a bad light but rather to share my experience using your comment as a starting point. It was the veteran players who never gave up trying to show me the error of my ways (especially Colmbo, who now plays AH) and I thought by sharing these experiences and the later embarrassment it caused might help someone else do what I and many in this community feel is right.
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I remember one time I was flying the 152 and I lost almost all my E in a 5v1 situation... Knowing my 152 could hang longer than the planes behind me I found a mountain at a 45 degree angle and followed it up... everyone of the cons behind me hit the mountain while I put my plane down as gently as I could when I reached stall speed.
That is so cherry!!!
(http://www.gigaweb.com/files/productsimages/BS_C/32383.jpg)
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I applaud moving away from dweebery but I still keep every film of it.
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my first week some jerk bombed and bailed on me,I wont bail unless the aircraft is unflyable.
even then I consider if i am going to be captured or not. i will not allow them GD dirty Knit apes to put their paws on me!
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No, the vast majority of them only bail when they are about to be intercepted. They do it to avoid a death on their "score". The easiest fix I can think of would be to make bailing out of an undamaged unit count as a death on scores.
I suspect there is a minority of them who don't care about score as much as depriving the other guy of some kills.
A bail or capture already counts as a death on their score, at least as far as kills/deaths and damage/deaths are concerned. It makes a small difference for points.
I think most of them are doing it to deny the kill - especially the ones who bail before even dropping their bombs.
I'll bail sometimes so the right guy gets my kill.
I do that as well. Totally different behavior. The key here is "undamaged".
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I'll bail if my plane is already busted up and cannot fly. I'll also bail from an undamaged plane if nobody's around to fight and there's a fight "over there somewhere". I don't give a rip about score or K/d or K/h or any of that crap.
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I've done it if I'm in a 152 or something and there's a horde of 10+ 400 behind me, no point trying to fight that.
I usually duke it out if it's a "reasonable" gang-bang... Say, 5 or 6 vs 1. Much worse odds than that though, and I may switch gears. I generally like the challenge of a "clean" 3v1. 4v1 is getting pretty tough though, and 5v1 is practically unmanageable. Anything much beyond that is a waste of everyone's time and effort.
First of all, none of them want a "fight". If they did, they wouldn't need 6+ "wingmen". Put up a great fight, and it'll go unnoticed in the random melee anyway. They're all just trying to get guns-on as fast as possible, and land some hits on you before "their" (earned?) kill gets "stolen". Regardless, it isn't a "fight" from their perspective. Not with a swarm like that...
Second, why support their dweebery, and make it entertaining for them? That'll just reinforce that type of behavior. Far better to do what you can to make it a less-entertaining scenario. Waste their time as much as possible, and then belly-land before they can land hits. Don't "auger" and die, try to land it; it's much harder, and hopefully more humiliating. Waste their time if possible by dragging them far away from the base they're swarming, then reverse back into them, bleeding your E so you can land on your next reversal. Don't end flight right away; you may actually score a few kills as they panic-strafe you. If you need to, fire a few short bursts while you're on the ground if they have trouble figuring out where you went. If you can manage a kill or two before you belly-land, so much the better! Just don't let them land any hits, or they'll think they "earned" the kill.
Third, none of them expects your "kill" anyway. They know they have a pretty remote chance of being the "lucky" one with the kill, so expect an assist at best.
If you put up too much of a fight, they'll think the landing was an accident, and think that it was a "victory". Next thing you know, we'll have guys thinking "Man, I'm/we're finally getting better! The 8 of us just totally "owned" that guy!"
If they can't show you any respect, or a certain level of "class", why should you extend any to them?
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Those that bomb and bail are playing a game with little inmersion into the WWII combat experience. I always enjoy fighting to the last bullet and maybe taking a few fighters down that saddle up on my six. Landing damage and kills is the best. :banana: Being a target is part of the game. Don't deprive others of thier fun after they've climbed for several minutes to engage your deadly guns. :joystick:
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I buff a lot. I will bail when I don't feel like spending 20 minutes flying home, or if it is important to get the next load of bombs otw to our target base ASAP. Every so often I'll get someone who ups and seems to expect me to fly around for 10 minutes or so while he tries to climb and catch up - maybe I'll wait, and maybe I won't.
If I am in B-17s, I usually take the fighters on because killing fighters with B-17s is loads of fun, and I've got a couple of drones to burn anyway. If I am in a Boston, I'll be running because 1 .30 cal doesn't give you much hope vs fighters, and I may get away or I may be dragging the defensive fighters away from the battle so the next wave can get in.
The trick is to intercept us BEFORE we get to target - once my bombs are out, my mission is completed. Anything else is just gravy.
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EagleDNY describes exactly why bailing from bombers should always count as a death. If you're too ADD to bring your bombers home, then don't fly them. If you "have to bring another load ASAP", then bring more friends.
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I bail out when I have lost a complete wing or tail section, or when I am on fire. I liken this to a realistic bail.
Ditto. And even then I sometimes see if I can bring it in literally on a wing and a prayer. Which is probably where the term comes from
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Good news.... It does. Only a "ditch" is not a death. :salute
EagleDNY describes exactly why bailing from bombers should always count as a death. If you're too ADD to bring your bombers home, then don't fly them. If you "have to bring another load ASAP", then bring more friends.
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This thread is a great dweeb detector.
BEEP!......it just went off.
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Is this some new strategy? Is there some bennefit to it?
Ran into this 3 times this morning, looks as though bailing from 5K out seems to nullify even proxies, is this true?
I usually don't fly in the morning, can't say I've knowingly run in to this in the MA yet. I'ts kind of irritating to climb up to the stratoshere (cause NOTHING else is goin on) only to have them bail. I would think it would be irritating for the "bailer" also, to have climbed that high wasting all that time?
I don't get it?
JUGgler
It's a new variation of the 'see the low Jug" and auger method I've perfected already. It's cause yer so intimidating JUGgler :)
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I bailed one time when I was being chased by three spits and I was in an oiled P-51B. I popped my chute and got a perfect rotation and shot all three of them in the cockpit with my .45. The unfortunate thing was I was hacked into Spek's computer at the time and therefore could not find the film afterword. It was awesome though. Trust me.
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:bhead
I cannot understand the bailers. It takes a lot away from the sim.
When I came over to Aces High I decided that all that dweebery would not follow me.
"Nay!" they cried. "Thou art Dweebs still!"...The Book of Dweeb
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I bailed one time when I was being chased by three spits and I was in an oiled P-51B. I popped my chute and got a perfect rotation and shot all three of them in the cockpit with my .45. The unfortunate thing was I was hacked into Spek's computer at the time and therefore could not find the film afterword. It was awesome though. Trust me.
If this film is ever found and posted (Which is unlikely knowing how Spek's harddrive is), no other film should ever be posted ever again, EVER. Unless of course, someone caps 4 spits in a similar fashion.
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I bailed one time when I was being chased by three spits and I was in an oiled P-51B. I popped my chute and got a perfect rotation and shot all three of them in the cockpit with my .45. The unfortunate thing was I was hacked into Spek's computer at the time and therefore could not find the film afterword. It was awesome though. Trust me.
And the sleeping dog gets kicked in the ribs.....
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And the sleeping dog gets kicked in the ribs.....
Its usually the easiest target....
;)
Strip
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You just have to laugh at them. They are not fighter pilots, and when they bomb n bail you find they are not bomber pilots either.
Maybe they are actually Tower Maintenance crews.
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And the sleeping dog gets kicked in the ribs.....
I'd say more like tickled.
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I'd say more like tickled.
Makes sense... Muppets like to tickle.
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Is this some new strategy? Is there some bennefit to it?
Ran into this 3 times this morning, looks as though bailing from 5K out seems to nullify even proxies, is this true?
I usually don't fly in the morning, can't say I've knowingly run in to this in the MA yet. I'ts kind of irritating to climb up to the stratoshere (cause NOTHING else is goin on) only to have them bail. I would think it would be irritating for the "bailer" also, to have climbed that high wasting all that time?
I don't get it?
JUGgler
I dont know juggler why dont you talk about you guys being on the knight side and attack a base then switch countries and bring 262's to rack up kills. you think you're actions are better than people who just bailed to not give you an easy kill?
semp
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i never bail a bomber, unless i have a PW in the main bomber and its heavily damaged and i no eggs. Eggs first then bail it. I think its stupid to bail a bomber especially when you its a 50/50 chance
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I think most of them are doing it to deny the kill - especially the ones who bail before even dropping their bombs.
You could ask your squadron mates, some of them are quite fond of the "bail when they get in range" tactic for fighter defense.
ack-ack
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I dont know juggler why dont you talk about you guys being on the knight side and attack a base then switch countries and bring 262's to rack up kills. you think you're actions are better than people who just bailed to not give you an easy kill?
You should hear us on vox. Our conversation goes something like this...
"Wow look at this green horde we're in, this is stupid"
"Are there any other fights on map?"
"Nope, this is the only one"
"Hmm ok, lets switch sides and kill this horde with jets then"
"Sounds like a plan"
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lame
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You should hear us on vox. Our conversation goes something like this...
"Wow look at this green horde we're in, this is stupid"
"Are there any other fights on map?"
"Nope, this is the only one"
"Hmm ok, lets switch sides and kill this horde with jets then"
"Sounds like a plan"
right grizz also mention that couple of you guys were part of that horde, then switched when all the red guys were dead. dont forget to mention how you are so quick to switch countries and bring 262's when you see buffs upping from a base you just landed on.
semp
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right grizz also mention that couple of you guys were part of that horde
Yeah that's why we switch...
dont forget to mention how you are so quick to switch countries and bring 262's when you see buffs upping from a base you just landed on.
Uhh, hey genius, I'd rather kill fighters than bombers any day in jets. Bombers just waste a bunch of ammo and oil leak you.
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no your highness just pointing out the hypocrisy of juggler whining, about how somebody else should play.
semp
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no your highness just pointing out the hypocrisy of juggler whining, about how somebody else should play.
Strawman if I ever saw one. If you saw Juggler bailing to avoid kill credit then that would make him a hypocrite.
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^^ that
+1
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happened to me last night...i did get a kill credit on 1 lanc but "before" he vanished..i guess the credit came about as i had just tore into him..i will say most bomber pilots i attack dont do this
The Dude
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right grizz also mention that couple of you guys were part of that horde, then switched when all the red guys were dead. dont forget to mention how you are so quick to switch countries and bring 262's when you see buffs upping from a base you just landed on.
semp
If you look up the AOM jet kills, I'd bet the "lions share" are fighters. Your assesment is silly.
Semp I see you're still fuming over me getting your RTB ponyB "full of vulch scalps" from the other day, I believe your exact comment was "JUGgler you're an hugahunk" :aok
Personaly I cannot stand to fly in a carpet of green at the edge of an enemy base racking up easy vulch and cherry kills, which I might add is where you seem to thrive.
Get off my damn ankle and get over whatever your issue is with me. I like your squad but you are becoming a BORE.
I will switch when and where I desire, I will always fight the "goodfight" no matter how mmuch tower time I must endure.
The AOM create more red for you when all the red is gone, you should be thankfull
JUGgler
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You did'nt seem to like the Pigs too much last night Juggler. :lol
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I would never bail even 100 on 1. I am riding that bird into the ground on fire.
The only time I will bail is to give credit to whoever I was fighting before a cherry picker comes and steals it.
Otherwise I'm riding it into the floor baby!
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I would never bail even 100 on 1. I am riding that bird into the ground on fire.
The only time I will bail is to give credit to whoever I was fighting before a cherry picker comes and steals it.
Otherwise I'm riding it into the floor baby!
WTG!! :salute
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Personally I prefer to fly into the ground or a tree while I'm looking behind me at the four planes chasing me as I try to "gain separation".
:devil
wrongway
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You did'nt seem to like the Pigs too much last night Juggler. :lol
:rofl :rofl was plenty-O-fun but none of you answered me, vpigs now? :aok
JUGgler
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:rofl :rofl was plenty-O-fun but none of you answered me, vpigs now? :aok
JUGgler
Silly Muffpit, vPigs :rolleyes:. There is no comparison. We set out to take that entire island. We did. No NOE's or surprise carrier attacks. Just straight here we come from a sector away dar bars with plenty of warning for those who would be interested in fighting it out. The island to the east just had too many green guys for the Pigs comfort. So we started our own fun. Nothing worse than sharing assists with 40 green guys.
See you up there,
:salute
Way
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Silly Muffpit, vPigs :rolleyes:. There is no comparison. We set out to take that entire island. We did. No NOE's or surprise carrier attacks. Just straight here we come from a sector away dar bars with plenty of warning for those who would be interested in fighting it out. The island to the east just had too many green guys for the Pigs comfort. So we started our own fun. Nothing worse than sharing assists with 40 green guys.
See you up there,
:salute
Way
I always enjoy fighting the pigs...
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Silly Muffpit, vPigs :rolleyes:. There is no comparison. We set out to take that entire island. We did. No NOE's or surprise carrier attacks. Just straight here we come from a sector away dar bars with plenty of warning for those who would be interested in fighting it out. The island to the east just had too many green guys for the Pigs comfort. So we started our own fun. Nothing worse than sharing assists with 40 green guys.
See you up there,
:salute
Way
I'm curious what percentage of sorties are landed in actions like that.
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I'm curious what percentage of sorties are landed in actions like that.
I never paid attention. Is that important? :headscratch:
Seriously though, sorties of what?
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Knowingly embarking on multiple one-way missions seems a bit dweebish when there are other survivable ways to achieve the same objective.
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Knowingly embarking on multiple one-way missions seems a bit dweebish when there are other survivable ways to achieve the same objective.
Wow, who said oneway? Well you just keep doing what you are doing brother if it works for ya. It seems you know what you are talking about... Dweebish? :rolleyes: Who dug this guy up? :rofl
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I'm curious what percentage of sorties are landed in actions like that.
Lots of people land.
Drop your bomb on a hanger and circle until the base is taken.
Not like there's anyone to fight....
wrongway
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What sucks is that one way missions are the most effective way to get back into the action to help capture a base. RTBing is a waste of time in the win the war sense. Why? Because 1) Base damage is set on a timer and 2) There is no incentive or value in landing other than personal glory after you have damaged a base. Now, if landing your damage ensured that particular damage would stay damaged longer, I could see the merit in it.