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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: DemonFox on April 14, 2011, 12:12:28 PM
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Alright I know that this has been said before but the PBY was one of the most important planes of the war. It could carry troops and be a new transport plus it had light defenive armament so it would have some protection.
Also the PBY was known to go on bombing missions and could carry 4000Ib of bombs. Now i know 4000 isnt a heavy load but it should be able to take off from ports NOT from CV like some people say.
Now MANY people want it to rescue pilots and I know this was its primary role but that idea seems impractical for this game and I do not think that should be added for sake of saving HTC from having to figure out how that would work and people never doing it.
<S> Just thought that this really would be important
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:aok well it can carry 2 torpedos one under each wing and that means it could sink a cv by it self. which means that even though its slow it is worth having
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We NEED It because it is a good bomber.If it can sink a cv by itself,we need it to take off from ports. :aok :rofl
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Its top speed was only a bit above 180mph....
I'd hardly call it a "good" bomber.
For flying boats the H8K2 'Emily' and Short Sunderland were far more capable machines than the PBY. Also more expensive by far, but hey, they're free in AH.
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Hardly a good bomber? It was one of the most important planes in the pacific! And yes it is a good bomber. A 4000lb payload it pretty heavy equal to the B-26. Yes it's slow but some people don't mind flying slow. And another VERY important plane for scenarios due to it's wide spread use in the pacific. And sure the H8K was "better" but it wasn't as used and popular as the PBY. I mean we have planes like a C. 202 that isnt fast it has almost no fire power and only makes up in turning ability.
I just think that the PBY would be much more used then people think. Plus if HTC deems the Black Cats modle a legitimate plane it would make a good town buster.
<S> Sorry for the long essay but I just REALLY think this is an important plane to add.
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It would see perhaps moderate use, until the Sunderland and/or H8K2 were added, then it would see almost no use as both of them are vastly more capable in all ways. They were also important aircraft, despite being British and Japanese respectively.
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The ability to take off from all ports would be very fun. People shoot down the PBY usually based on the "we don't want a rescue aircraft" premise, but I think it deserves some merit!
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if you look closely at our ports, i think one of the sides has a ramp built into it similer to the ones used to haul pby's in&out of the water.
maybe a hint hint from hitech?
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if you look closely at our ports, i think one of the sides has a ramp built into it similer to the ones used to haul pby's in&out of the water.
maybe a hint hint from hitech?
Those ramps have been in the ports ever since ports were added to the game.
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the PBY could be a GV spotter if put in
+1 :D
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+1
Since I just posted on this a week ago! :)
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,310544.msg4018365.html#msg4018365
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PBY would be a goon with 2 teeny guns in blisters.... Yes..carries similar payload to B26, but it has the speed of a Stuka. The fact that it could stay aloft for 16 hours has no bearing in here, and ANY plane is a good gv spotter
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Two teeny guns? The PBY was armed with one 30 cal in each blister a ventral gun and twin 50's in the nose that was replaced on some planes with quad 50's or twin 20mm. Yes it is slow but it's the same speed if not faster then C-47 and has at least SOME guns to defend itself. It would also be very important in scenarios because many of them take place in the pacific.
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About 50mph slower than the C-47.
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Two teeny guns? The PBY was armed with one 30 cal in each blister a ventral gun and twin 50's in the nose that was replaced on some planes with quad 50's or twin 20mm. Yes it is slow but it's the same speed if not faster then C-47 and has at least SOME guns to defend itself. It would also be very important in scenarios because many of them take place in the pacific.
The quad .50s was only done on 1 Black Cat Catalina when Lieutenant W. J. "Bill" Lahodney had gotten the idea after taking some hops with B-25 crews on their missions and it was a field modification. The same with the 20mm Black Cat, that was a one plane field modification and I don't think it ever saw an operational mission just flight tests to show its feasibility. Otherwise, the standard machine gun armament on a Catalina was 2x .50 caliber machine guns in the waist blisters and 2x "pop up" .30 caliber machine guns in the nose and a single .30 caliber machine gun in the keel.
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Two teeny guns? The PBY was armed with one 30 cal in each blister a ventral gun and twin 50's in the nose that was replaced on some planes with quad 50's or twin 20mm. Yes it is slow but it's the same speed if not faster then C-47 and has at least SOME guns to defend itself. It would also be very important in scenarios because many of them take place in the pacific.
no argument with the scenario aspect, but we would NOT get anything but the run-of-the-mill PBY (which my Dad flew in WW2) which would be a hangar queen in here. think about how long a B17 lasts down low when it comes into contact with enemy fighters
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I would think that an aircraft with the abilities to take off from ports might add an interesting dynamic to the game...especially a pby because it really would not be very good otherwise.
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I would think that an aircraft with the abilities to take off from ports might add an interesting dynamic to the game...especially a pby because it really would not be very good otherwise.
It would and most of us would like to see it. The debate is not about that, it is about which one it should be and while the PBY is very important historically, it is also, of the three most commonly mentioned, the least capable. The Sunderland and H8K2 are also historically significant, so we're not talking about comparing the P-39 with the P-63 here.
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The abilities of the PBY would really shine on a map like the Uterus map with the port close to airbases to attack from a diffrant direction then they expect. One thing I want but am not sure how it would work is to have formations for bombing but if it carried troops to disable the formation box or something.
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I really like the PBY, but honestly, I cant see it as being any good except for scenario use.
I would like to see it included after many others that would be a better fit.
:salute
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They were also important aircraft, despite being British and Japanese respectively.
:lol nice :aok
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PBY would be a goon with 2 teeny guns in blisters.... Yes..carries similar payload to B26, but it has the speed of a Stuka. The fact that it could stay aloft for 16 hours has no bearing in here, and ANY plane is a good gv spotter
b26 doesnt carry torps....pby does, only ju88 betty and ki## carry enough torps to sunk a cv; yes i know its in formation and i really wouldnt want pby formations but the 2 2000lb torps that a pby can carry would work just fine for the role.
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I still think the PBY would see use in the MA because many pilots (especially me) like to fly planes because they like the plane and have niche plane they enjoy flying. My two examples are the P-40 and the B-25. Neither are particularly good an anything but people like to fly them anyway.
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I read this on another thread and like the idea that it could spot enemy cv a them appear on the map. I'm not saying radar just more like a spotter that will actually show up on map. I think there should be like a 8 mile radius to mark it from the PBY.
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I read this on another thread and like the idea that it could spot enemy cv a them appear on the map. I'm not saying radar just more like a spotter that will actually show up on map. I think there should be like a 8 mile radius to mark it from the PBY.
As far as I remember the visual range in AH is 15 miles.
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Ya but 15 miles is even farther then the radius of the radar so i think that it should be about 8 miles to identify a CV so you will actually have to het close. Just what I think
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+1, i added it to the wish list nov 8th, 2010. :)
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no argument with the scenario aspect, but we would NOT get anything but the run-of-the-mill PBY (which my Dad flew in WW2) which would be a hangar queen in here. think about how long a B17 lasts down low when it comes into contact with enemy fighters
someone has never met 999000 or tatertot :)
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I've been browsing the forums and I like the idea someone else had. Add a single fighter hanger and bomber hanger. For fighter I would say be get a A6M2-N for fighter or Spit on floats. And my PBY for the bomber :airplane:
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+1 for a seaplane! Would love this addition.
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+1 For sea planes from ports. It's about time we give the ports a fighting chance. The seaplanes only need to hold off the enemy long enough for an airfield based fighter to show up and help.
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I recently flew into a local airport by me and saw a PBY-5A painted up in the black cat squads skin. And it makes me want this plane even more! Expecially the black cat field mod. I know HiTech doesn't like to add field mods but the Black Cat with the twin 20mm nose gunner and 4000lb of bombs would make a good town killer I think. Plus the 2 torpedoes would be very good at sinking CV groups!
+1 for the PBY-5A to this day!
http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n134/martincj/pby-48287-1.jpg
This is a picture of the Black Cat PBY that is kept at the airport near me.
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yeah... but how fun would it be to have an amphibous airplane in AH. let alone a sea plane... the PBY-5 can do that and land on land :O :O :O
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I'm thinking that people trying to defend a port with a PBY will be good for my fighter stats :D
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+1 :aok
flak :joystick:
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+1 It could also be used to carry supplies to carrier groups. Who knows? :aok
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Ya I was thinking about that. In place of supply box you have a supply raft. But I don't think it should respawn the sunkin ships only rearm them with AA and radar.
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i think there are far too many planes that would actually have an impact on the game that need to be added first. the PBY would be nothing but a name on a list. what could it do that you cant do now? land in the water? lol who cares?? before a PBY i'd like to see some IJA fighters, some more russian birds, some italian planes, a few german bombers/attack aircraft *cough* 111, 210 *cough*. the PBY offers nothing that you cant already do 50 MPH faster (except land in the water, which really has no significant impact on anything outside a few peoples fascination with float planes.) -1 for now. maybe in the future when the run out of USEFUL aircraft to add :aok
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i think there are far too many planes that would actually have an impact on the game that need to be added first. the PBY would be nothing but a name on a list. what could it do that you cant do now? land in the water? lol who cares?? before a PBY i'd like to see some IJA fighters, some more russian birds, some italian planes, a few german bombers/attack aircraft *cough* 111, 210 *cough*. the PBY offers nothing that you cant already do 50 MPH faster (except land in the water, which really has no significant impact on anything outside a few peoples fascination with float planes.) -1 for now. maybe in the future when the run out of USEFUL aircraft to add :aok
I've always loved the PBY, while unorthodox I've always thought it was just a beautiful plane and I would absolutely love to see it in game. PBY's served in large numbers and while performance isn't particularly good, they did load 'em up with 4K in bombs (I think that's the number... going from memory) and sent them off on some of the first raids on Rabaul. That being said I have to agree with Irish here, there are many more planes that are missing from the list. Planes that are critical for special events and would see at least some MA use like the Ki-43, the Beaufighter, He-111, and the RAF could use another bomber, the VVS have no early war planes, etc.
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The I-16 is pretty early war Soul :D
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The I-16 is pretty early war Soul :D
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I'm thinking that people trying to defend a port with a PBY will be good for my fighter stats :D
People trying to attack a CV with a PBY will only find themselves with a one way ticket to ManaWar's kill club.
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People trying to attack a CV with a PBY will only find themselves with a one way ticket to ManaWar's kill club.
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ROFLMAO!!! but...but...but...<insert demonfox response>
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There are several ways seaplanes *might* be used in-game (see also http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,311486.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,311486.0.html)), but I doubt that you'll have much success using the PBY as either a port defense fighter or a daytime anti-ship attack plane.
Personally, I like the notion of using a flying boat to seed the area in front of an enemy CV with mines. :devil
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People trying to attack a CV with a PBY will only find themselves with a one way ticket to ManaWar's kill club.
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oh gawd.
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Alright I know that this has been said before but the PBY was one of the most important planes of the war. It could carry troops and be a new transport plus it had light defenive armament so it would have some protection.
Also the PBY was known to go on bombing missions and could carry 4000Ib of bombs. Now i know 4000 isnt a heavy load but it should be able to take off from ports NOT from CV like some people say.
Now MANY people want it to rescue pilots and I know this was its primary role but that idea seems impractical for this game and I do not think that should be added for sake of saving HTC from having to figure out how that would work and people never doing it.
<S> Just thought that this really would be important
(http://imageshack.us/m/577/3181/29488729.png)
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Well I gave it a shot for this old bird. Guess you guys really just don't want it.
But that doesn't mean a guy cant dream for future patches.
<S> To all. Even all your great pilots against me.
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olds should watch where he's tossing rocks, i think i'll dig around and show demonfox the links to some of olds seriously lame wishes... :D and a couple were very big stinkers.
it's not a bad wish...justification is a little off reality though...considering even the slowest early war wwii plane in game now is faster than the pby by ~50mph it just could not be competitive enough to be used and no one enjoys being caught low and low in any airplane...the just pby doesn't offer any choice...may as well fly a dr1 in the late war arena and be done with it.
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Hehe while you fly your WWI plane I'll be like Dirk Pitt in my PBY :lol
I don't know why but I just LOVE the PBY and think that it's deficets would be overcome by some pilots. By no means am I saying I'm going to fly into a base at 5K with enemy fighter cover but I think it would be fun at 9-10K over a base. That no one is protecting.
I think it has to do with the fact that I've seen them landing around me so often. (I live on an island)
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olds should watch where he's tossing rocks, i think i'll dig around and show demonfox the links to some of olds seriously lame wishes... :D and a couple were very big stinkers.
it's not a bad wish...justification is a little off reality though...considering even the slowest early war wwii plane in game now is faster than the pby by ~50mph it just could not be competitive enough to be used and no one enjoys being caught low and low in any airplane...the just pby doesn't offer any choice...may as well fly a dr1 in the late war arena and be done with it.
:D
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PBY-5A with supps and troops, navy frogman swim and run for base captures.
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"If" ever added to this game it would not have troops, supplies, or frogmen.
It was not a transport. It was not a cargo hauler. It was a long range long duration recon plane.
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"If" ever added to this game it would not have troops, supplies, or frogmen.
It was not a transport. It was not a cargo hauler. It was a long range long duration recon plane.
Actually, if ever added to the game having a selection to carry 10 troops or be able to carry supplies should be an option. While not the primary use of the PBY, the PBY were used to ferry raiding parties behind enemy lines quite frequently. Units such as teh Army's famous "Alamo Scouts" used PBYs to drop their long range recce parties (comprising from 10 to 14 men) behind enemy lines as well as the joint services "Special Service Unit #1" (before being disbanded and redesignated solely as a naval unit, 7th Amphibious Scouts).
PBYs were also used to ferry supplies to these men whenever possible in addition to resupplying coast watchers.
Of course, if we ever do get the PBY, beer bottles better be one of the ordnance packages as it was a favorite of the Black Cats to drop during their nightly harassment raids.
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Didn't the PBY have a tendancy to explode?
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Didn't the PBY have a tendancy to explode?
ok...i'll bite only because i'm intrigued by the source of your question...where did you see/hear that?
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well if PBY-5 did military ops such as droping troops and supps during ww2
it might be a option to add sometime.. something different :aok
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ok...i'll bite only because i'm intrigued by the source of your question...where did you see/hear that?
I stated it as a question because I wasn't 100% sure, but I heard somewhere that one of the American seaplanes during the war tended to blow up mid flight. I recall hearing "The pilots called them Flying Gas Tanks" or something to that effect.
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Didn't the PBY have a tendancy to explode?
not a tendency but a very real risk. Gas vapor from the fuel tanks would get into the cabin area, which could cause the plane to explode if any of the electrical system experienced a short or from frayed wires. It was also why PBY crews were advised (though largely ignored) not to smoke while in flight to lessen the risk of an in-flight exposion due to build up of gas vapors in the cabin.
The PBM Mariner also suffered from this problem, most famously examplified by mi-air explosion of the PBM that was tasked to search for Flight 19 that had disappeared in the Bermuda Triangle.
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:lol I could see it now cruising along in my PBY and my radio fails. BAM!!! No more PBY :bhead
Now I saw someone post for a Sub and that would be a great reason for the PBY! I wanna depth charge a U-boat!!!!
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Actually, if ever added to the game having a selection to carry 10 troops or be able to carry supplies should be an option. While not the primary use of the PBY, the PBY were used to ferry raiding parties behind enemy lines quite frequently.
PBYs were also used to ferry supplies to these men whenever possible in addition to resupplying coast watchers.
While I'm not denying they were used to move people, they were not a de-facto transport. They had no capability to drop paratroopers, nor airborne supplies. They would land at secluded beaches, and people would climb into a dinghy rowboat, paddle to shore, and make several trips.
Far cry from the basic mission profile of an air transport...
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While I'm not denying they were used to move people, they were not a de-facto transport. They had no capability to drop paratroopers, nor airborne supplies. They would land at secluded beaches, and people would climb into a dinghy rowboat, paddle to shore, and make several trips.
Far cry from the basic mission profile of an air transport...
but perfect for a secretive raid behind enemy lines. maybe that port youre looking to take is too far back for a mass raid? how about 3 NOE 110s with bombs for the VH and GVs and a nice PBY to land 2K offshore and a dinghy or two ferries the troops ashore? less noticable than a goon dropping troops over the tower. I'd actually back this just for that idea.
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So you want to game the game? You want to run sneak missions with no defenders? Hardly seems a worthy criteria for adding features. C-47 allows you do do what you've just described. All but landing on water.
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So you want to game the game? You want to run sneak missions with no defenders? Hardly seems a worthy criteria for adding features. C-47 allows you do do what you've just described. All but landing on water.
yeah and most idiots dont know they can land a goon engine off out of sight. at least with this they can land away from the base and let the troops do the job. second off, how is this gaming the game? third off, sneak runs are a major tactic used in this game. Fourth i'm pretty sure anything that adds to the gameplay is worthy of being in here.
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I completely agree with BAR. Sneak raids are a huge portion of bases taken. And being that it's a sneak raid you could call them special forces to make you happy with the "not normally a troop transport".
Plus I've really started trying with torpedos and I like them. Yes difficult to use but fun non the less. The fact being we only have one plane able to carry two torpedos is kinda restricting to a single plane.
Same for the C-47 we only one plane to do that job and only other choice is a GV that might not be able to spawn into that base.
I think the key to a game like this is fun gameplay and a large diversity in choices.
Just what I think <S>
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:aok BAR
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Plus I've really started trying with torpedos and I like them. Yes difficult to use but fun non the less. The fact being we only have one plane able to carry two torpedos is kinda restricting to a single plane.
You would still have the same problem if the PBY was added as it only carried one torpedo on a wing mounted rack.
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On December 25th, a PBY from No. 205 Squadron RAF bounced a G3M Nell bomber. The Nell bomber quickly reversed positions and shot down the RAF PBY near the Anambas Islands.
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The PBY could be armed with 2 2000lb topedos in wing racks. Or it could have 4000lb of bombs in wing racks. And if subs ever entered the game it could carry 4 depth charges.
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I am well aware of the G4M shooting down the PBY but that is why it's a Patrol Bomber not a full fledge bomber.
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You would still have the same problem if the PBY was added as it only carried one torpedo on a wing mounted rack.
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and arent the ju88 and the ki67 able to carry 2 already??
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ju88: 2
ki67: 1
g4m: 1
tbm: 1
b5n: 1
PT boat: 4
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thats right. oops, bad memory :)
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Alright I know that this has been said before but the PBY was one of the most important planes of the war. It could carry troops and be a new transport plus it had light defenive armament so it would have some protection.
Also the PBY was known to go on bombing missions and could carry 4000Ib of bombs. Now i know 4000 isnt a heavy load but it should be able to take off from ports NOT from CV like some people say.
Now MANY people want it to rescue pilots and I know this was its primary role but that idea seems impractical for this game and I do not think that should be added for sake of saving HTC from having to figure out how that would work and people never doing it.
<S> Just thought that this really would be important
+1 good idea!
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Thank you Nikomon :aok
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and arent the ju88 and the ki67 able to carry 2 already??
Demon's idea is to add the PBY which can carry x2 2k torps (SBD carries 1). The only problem I see with that is that one PBY could sink a CV in one pass (assuming both torpedoes hit). But that would only make it a more popular plane. I still think it's a good idea.
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Pppsstt Dragon the SBD does carry torpedos. That's the TBM.
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i still have a problem with demon's idea of the term "most important"...most especially in the case of the pby, not even close.
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Eh? :huh when did I say most important. I think it is important but not most important. Now it's most important in MY mind :aok But that just me :lol Not everyone likes my views on the world.
Point being
+1 PBY-5A for being important, cool, new, and could be used effectively to sink Subs (if added) and CV's.
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Alright I know that this has been said before but the PBY was one of the most important planes of the war.
not even "one of the..."...it was intended as a u.s. navy patrol plane...war dictated some useful modifications.
here, some production information for you
http://www.uswarplanes.net/catalina.html (http://www.uswarplanes.net/catalina.html)
and a fanboi page with good information and lot's of pictures to enjoy...
http://www.michaelprophet.com/News_articles/PBY_CAT.html (http://www.michaelprophet.com/News_articles/PBY_CAT.html)
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You would still have the same problem if the PBY was added as it only carried one torpedo on a wing mounted rack.
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i believe it carried 2 torps sir, and if it is mounted on a wing rack a counter weight/another torp im sure would be there. and anyway having a 4000lb bomb load and torps being 2000lbs makes it logical to have 2. here is a sweet painting of it carrying 2 torps under wing racks. note one has been dropped and is in the air
(http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/5830/006ph.jpg)
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Gyrene in truth it was very important. No not the MOST important but in the pacific it did play a large role. Best example of it's importance is the battle of Midway. Your an itelligent guy I bet you know all about it. The PBY is the plane that found the Japanese fleet and probably saved Midway.
That just the way I see it personally. I mean no offense to you but I just think it would be better added then some other aircraft.
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I would think that all aircraft of the era which were built in numbers and saw combat should be added to the game. There's no reason to NOT add this plane. The only question which is debatable is this: "When should the HiTech team devote the resources to modeling this bird accurately for implementation?" There's an endless queue of aircraft which are worthy of being added. The question for me isn't "yes or no," it's "when?" We're all aviation enthusiasts (I assume)! Having more airplanes fuels our obsession and love of this era of aviation (an absolutely beautiful time in terms of growth for aviation). So bring on the PBY - and if you want my vote... SOON! +1 !
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Thank you deadstik! :aok I agree though we should have other planes from same era. But I'm biases and say PBY soon :noid
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I mean no offense to you but I just think it would be better added then some other aircraft.
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none taken demon...and i agree for the most part...eventually.
as for the pby's finding the japanese at midway, ok...a pby spotted 2 japanese minesweepers on 3 june...same day the 4 pby's from vp-24 stationed at midway island found the transport fleet. the carrier fleet was found by a pby 1 day later on 4 june. only 1 aerial torpedo deployed hit a target during the entire battle, it came from 1 of the 4 pby's that made a night run on the transport fleet. did they save midway? probably not according to intelligence reports from the time period.
now let's put its usefulness in perspective...let's look at the main arenas where this slow flying boat would be used...according to a copy of a performance document i found maximium permissible speed at 24,000 lbs (no payload) is 210mph, at 32,000lbs 178mph, 34,500lbs 161mph....for operating the auto-pilot 98mph...aerobatics prohibited...and you know it will get modeled as close to realistic as possible...think about how long it takes to get to 15,000 alt in a stuka with the 1800kg bomb and 100% fuel and it's faster than a pby. put aside the kewl factor, it's only good for a very short time period...the d3a1 which is faster than the pby was used by 161 players last tour with 255 deaths and 64 kills...the stuka and b5n were used more.
speaking of which, you haven't flown the stuka at all this tour and you said you were going to...all month. :D
there is some really nice technical information here:
http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/flight-test-data/pby-performance-data-14239.html (http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/flight-test-data/pby-performance-data-14239.html)
you will have to register but it's worth it.
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The PBY so far doesn't really have a role yet.
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The PBY so far doesn't really have a role yet.
in fairness to the wish, in a way it does...just not with all the glory demonfox thinks it would have. making a torpedo run in a fast plane is pretty much futile, just imagine trying one in the slow pby.
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in fairness to the wish, in a way it does...just not with all the glory demonfox thinks it would have. making a torpedo run in a fast plane is pretty much futile, just imagine trying one in the slow pby.
boring the gunners to death so they leave? :headscratch:
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The PBY so far doesn't really have a role yet.
anti-shipping awesomeness.... it would be the only "single" torp plane that could sink a cv
+1+1=PBY
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anti-shipping awesomeness.... it would be the only "single" torp plane that could sink a cv
+1+1=PBY
what? and...what?
1 torpedo under each wing...and if it's difficult to do with the existing torpedo carrying planes what makes you think the pby being at least 50mph slower than any of the others would have a chance?
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and i do take stuka nukes to 15k, i do that when ever i go out for a cig or to store from more beer :cheers: :) also do same for long bomber runs. pby no different.
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and i do take stuka nukes to 15k, i do that when ever i go out for a cig or to store from more beer :cheers: :) also do same for long bomber runs. pby no different.
They carried nukes!! :x :x
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i believe it carried 2 torps sir, and if it is mounted on a wing rack a counter weight/another torp im sure would be there. and anyway having a 4000lb bomb load and torps being 2000lbs makes it logical to have 2. here is a sweet painting of it carrying 2 torps under wing racks. note one has been dropped and is in the air
(http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/5830/006ph.jpg)
It was able to carry two torpedoes but normal operations had the PBYs carrying one torpedo on one wing rack and the other one with 500 pound bombs and anti-personel bombs stowed wherever they could fit inside of the plane.
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Sorry Gyrene about the lack of stuka flights I've been cruzin the B5N. Plus ive been away from my computer for awhile. (Making these posts off my iPhone)
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Ok well I relized I've been more of a pest of these BBS then anything and I hate being a pest so this will bey last post for a long time. I figure im not helping at all get the PBY added probably have made HiTech never want to add it :lol If the PBY isnt gonna be added then it just won't be. Doesn't mean I Dont want it. I just relized I've just been pissing people off on here and think I should stick to the game not to the words I'm no John Hancock.
<S> All BBS users expecilly you Gyrene. You made many very good counter arguments and I have no answer to them. Hope to see you flying when I return to my computer
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DemonFox, if you want to learn more about the PBY, there is a book I recommend. It gives you a good general overview of what the PBYs faced in the beginning of the war before the book moves onto the more specific story of the Black Cats.
Amazon has a paperback version selling for as little as 8 cents, though I don't know the condition of the book.
Black Cat Raiders of World War II (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0821713817)
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It was able to carry two torpedoes but normal operations had the PBYs carrying one torpedo on one wing rack and the other one with 500 pound bombs and anti-personel bombs stowed wherever they could fit inside of the plane.
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i love ack-ack
and want his support and love for the PBY cause
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A lot of aircraft will never get into the game because they simply underperformed compared to what we already have. However, if we can give them another 'ability' then the balance may be restored somewhat.
It has been suggested that maritime and long range recce planes have the ability to 'photograph' enemy CVs - i.e. if they approach one to within a certain range and 'take a photo' then the enemy CV icon appears on the map. Of course the enemy CV icon stays only a few minutes and doesn't move - so it'll quickly be out of date.
Another possibility is having these aircraft able to 'rescue' downed pilots (provided they bailed successfully) - thus enabling the pilots to not lose so many perks after being shot down.
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If we think beyond just planes, consider new maps, terrains (like used n Scenarios or other historical events) then we move this "game" a step further. The point of Aces High is to entertain folks using a part of history that was a large part of what the USA is all about. The Glory days, the Golden years.
We currently have an EW and Mid war arena. Do you think there might be a way to get some practice and experience in planes like the PBY? I think it's a viable option and have also posted my wishes. Rescue missions for downed pilots may only have a place in FSO or Scenario events, but it makes it a great tool. The PT boat was pre-war in concept and has a use, but its not fast-like planes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PT_boat Interesting read, btw.
The PBY shares it's history even in the 1930s. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consolidated_PBY_Catalina
We may see a time when Aces High runs historical maps in rotation like it does with the MA maps. Moving from period to period, or Theater.
I can see the chat coming now. :) Before the flame war begins...... It might not be the right time for the PBY CAT but that doesn't mean we shouldn't have such a dual-duty piece of equipment at our disposal.
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We may see a time when Aces High runs historical maps in rotation like it does with the MA maps. Moving from period to period, or Theater.
they do already in the AvA arena
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The point of Aces High is to entertain folks using a part of history that was a large part of what the USA is all about. The Glory days, the Golden years.
i'm sorry kken but...WHAT???
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they do already in the AvA arena
Agreed...that's why I said it might move to that... I dunno! (Meaning the MA)
i'm sorry kken but...WHAT???
See Above.. :D
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no, i was referring to what you said is the point of aces high...it's all about the usa? i think there are a number of people who would disagree with that...and then some.
you do realize the "glory days" and "golden years" were the years after wwii...not during?