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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Bruv119 on April 16, 2011, 06:19:43 AM
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I wish this plane to be added to bridge the gap between early war and Late war spitfires.
"With the advent of the superb Focke Wulf Fw 190 in August 1941 the Spitfire was for the first time truly outclassed, hastening the development of the "interim" Mk IX. In an effort to counter this threat, especially at lower altitudes, the VB was the first production version of the Spitfire to use 'clipped' wingtips as an option, reducing the wingspan to 32 ft 2 in (9.8 m).The clipped wings increased the roll rate and airspeed at lower altitudes. Several different versions of the Merlin 45/50 family were used, including the Merlin 45M which had a smaller 'cropped' supercharger impeller and boost increased to +18 lb. This engine produced 1,585 hp (1,182 kW) at 2,750 ft (838 m), increasing the L.F VB's maximum rate of climb to 4720 ft/min (21.6 m/s) at 2,000 ft (610 m)."
As with the new A6M3 I feel the need for a little clippage to speed the thing up and give the RAF guys something to play with that doesn't involve taking the much hated Spit 16 in the MA. This may help reduce the whines and running from fights.
(http://www.deroeck.co.uk/Spitfire-pictures/Spitfire-Mk-Vb-RFD-(1)-01.jpg)
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Yes.
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+1
anything to keep you out of a spit IX or spit VIII :aok
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I wish this plane to be added to bridge the gap between early war and Late war spitfires.
"With the advent of the superb Focke Wulf Fw 190 in August 1941 the Spitfire was for the first time truly outclassed, hastening the development of the "interim" Mk IX. In an effort to counter this threat, especially at lower altitudes, the VB was the first production version of the Spitfire to use 'clipped' wingtips as an option, reducing the wingspan to 32 ft 2 in (9.8 m).The clipped wings increased the roll rate and airspeed at lower altitudes. Several different versions of the Merlin 45/50 family were used, including the Merlin 45M which had a smaller 'cropped' supercharger impeller and boost increased to +18 lb. This engine produced 1,585 hp (1,182 kW) at 2,750 ft (838 m), increasing the L.F VB's maximum rate of climb to 4720 ft/min (21.6 m/s) at 2,000 ft (610 m)."
As with the new A6M3 I feel the need for a little clippage to speed the thing up and give the RAF guys something to play with that doesn't involve taking the much hated Spit 16 in the MA. This may help reduce the whines and running from fights.
(http://www.deroeck.co.uk/Spitfire-pictures/Spitfire-Mk-Vb-RFD-(1)-01.jpg)
303 Squadron bird there. Jan Zumbach's to boot. :rock
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Did the brits have OTHER AC that they flew in the war beside the spit?
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Did the brits have OTHER AC that they flew in the war beside the spit?
depends on what time period and what theater of ops you're talking about...everything from p-36 to meteor...of course the eto/mto squadrons were always the first to get the newest shiny toys.
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So this would be very similar to the current Spitfire Mk V currently in AH, except with a Gay16-like roll rate and more ammo?
I vote no.
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Another clipped wing Spitfire :furious
I'm all for having more Spitfires but the clipped wings are one wing that make the most beautiful aircraft be the ugliest.
I'm not going to give it a "-1", but I can't say "+1" either.
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a Gay16
I was not aware that an airplane could be homosexual :headscratch: :neener: :bolt:
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I thought we already have a VB as the B wing could only carry 60rpg fed from drums, the C wing used boxes and carried 120rpg ...
but an LF version of one of them clipped would be a good addition, the production numbers show that separate VB and VC versions arent unreasonable:
#s Mk
3971 LFIX (AHs spixteen!)
3923 VB
2447 VC
1549 I
1294 IX
1250 Sea III
1226 LF VIII
1054 LF XVI
920 II
500 XIV
471 XI
430 FR XIV
400 HFIX
372 Sea II
272 VIII
261 PR
225 XIX
160 HF VIII
141 VII
100 VI
100 XII
94 VA
27 XIV RV
16 X
2 III
2 IV
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If you are serious about adding another Spit, it would be better served with a Spitfire Vc with the tropical filter, DT and bomb carrying ability and the different rated Engine of the later V. You then cover all the CBI and PTO Spit Vs and the majority of the MTO Spit Vs that stuck around .
It would be similar to adding the LFXVI to go with the FIX.
A Spitfire Vc Trop would along with the Seafire III would be the most justifiable Spit additions in terms of both MA and Special Events use in my opinion. And no to four cannons on the Vc :)
Just saw some nice photos of 318 Squadron Spitfire LFVc Trops today. Still flying combat in the MTO into 45
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I thought we already have a VB as the B wing could only carry 60rpg fed from drums, the C wing used boxes and carried 120rpg ...
but an LF version of one of them clipped would be a good addition, the production numbers show that separate VB and VC versions arent unreasonable:
#s Mk
3971 LFIX (AHs spixteen!)
3923 VB
2447 VC
1549 I
1294 IX
1250 Sea III
1226 LF VIII
1054 LF XVI
920 II
500 XIV
471 XI
430 FR XIV
400 HFIX
372 Sea II
272 VIII
261 PR
225 XIX
160 HF VIII
141 VII
100 VI
100 XII
94 VA
27 XIV RV
16 X
2 III
2 IV
Is that all the variants of spits in WWII?
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Only if it comes with a Polish skin. :)
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It is pretty clear from those figures that the seafire mk II should be swapped out with the more common Seafire mk III. At least for Late war usage.
As for the Spit LF mk VC If that also was used more frequently in multiple theatres, with it's 240 overall cannon load out, then I modify my wish to that one. A spit dweeb can never have too many 20mm rounds :aok
Another question for you Guppy did the Spit mk II counter-act the negative G carburettor problem and how early did they get them out in production?
Machfly Extra speed and roll rate gives you more bang for your buck. I have a great book of large print Spit mk 14's with clipped wings but Guppy has said that they didn't do that to them until after the war. I can't think of something more dominating than a 14 with clipped wings. It is a powerful 190D with better handling. Unleashing the potential of the powerful Griffon engine.
As a counter balance to my spitfire wishes. I suggest giving the luftwaffe one fighter and one bomber from these 109 G6's with 30mm! 190-A4-6, me 410. he-111, Dornier 217.
Then the Allies get the Beaufighter because of the 410 whines.
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Only if we get a dinghy with the 410.
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And as many flares as it can carry.
Beau/410 package sounds good to me.
If you want a Griffon clipped wing bird, then it would have to be my XII :)
The negative G bit was fixed by a lady boffin with a bit about the size of a schilling that was placed in the carb to stop the back flow in negative G. This was done on lots of the Spits. The Spit XII guys remember it being done to the XIIs early in 43 after they got them.
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I was not aware that an airplane could be homosexual :headscratch: :neener: :bolt:
he means gay as in happy
:)
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only problem with the Trops is they are so dam ugly! but they should be represented as so many were sent to the med and middle east. without going through the lists manually one batch at a time, I cant work out whether most of em were LF or not, the versatility of the spit means that you seem to get every possible combination of configurations.
I guess it depends on whether you want to balance the Vs:
LF VB (speed and rollrate) & VCT (extra ammo)
or have a clear difference in combat effectiveness (and therefore ENY/Perk):
VB & LF VCT (speed, rollrate and extra ammo)
:headscratch:
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Is that all the variants of spits in WWII?
thats the production numbers for the marks that served in WWII, although not all those individual aircraft served in combat. some were prototypes, others arrived too late to serve.
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If that's not the sexiest plane I don't know what is :)
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And as many flares as it can carry.
Beau/410 package sounds good to me.
If you want a Griffon clipped wing bird, then it would have to be my XII :)
The negative G bit was fixed by a lady boffin with a bit about the size of a schilling that was placed in the carb to stop the back flow in negative G. This was done on lots of the Spits. The Spit XII guys remember it being done to the XIIs early in 43 after they got them.
Lady Boffin - sounds like an adult film actress. ;)
Don't we have enough Spits already? How about a nice Boomerang instead?
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If that's not the sexiest plane I don't know what is :)
i could tell you but...ya know the whole "doesn't really exist bit"...here have a nappy to wipe the drool off your lip. :D