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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: STEELE on April 18, 2011, 07:47:37 PM
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I was in Axis & Allies today, we have 109f enabled on CVs :O This would be a great idea for MA's, the Luft guys get a german ride that performs pretty close to a 109T, and would be more inclined to join in on the CV battles.
Also it's pretty evenly matched for the Seafire, (except the seafire has almost none of its bad flip over & spin stall quirks modeled), so the allied guys prolly wont care too much either way.
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I was in Axis & Allies today, we have 109f enabled on CVs :O This would be a great idea for MA's, the Luft guys get a german ride that performs pretty close to a 109T, and would be more inclined to join in on the CV battles.
Also it's pretty evenly matched for the Seafire, (except the seafire has almost none of its bad flip over & spin stall quirks modeled), so the allied guys prolly wont care too much either way.
but thats like when we used to have the 109k4 as the G10 just for the 20mm cannon...
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I was in Axis & Allies today, we have 109f enabled on CVs :O This would be a great idea for MA's, the Luft guys get a german ride that performs pretty close to a 109T, and would be more inclined to join in on the CV battles.
Also it's pretty evenly matched for the Seafire, (except the seafire has almost none of its bad flip over & spin stall quirks modeled), so the allied guys prolly wont care too much either way.
No, the Bf109 never operated off of a CV. Grab an A6M if you're locked into Axis rides.
What flip and stall quirks? I've read a lot about Spits and never read that.
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No, the Bf109 never operated off of a CV. Grab an A6M if you're locked into Axis rides.
What flip and stall quirks? I've read a lot about Spits and never read that.
Hes saying the 109's flip and stall quirks. I don't think there is much substance to that either but more so than a spit perhaps.
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what flip and stall quirks? That's not stalling, thats falling with style.
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No, the Bf109 never operated off of a CV....
Well if we are going that route, then we should say, the rooks can't have CVs, because the Germans didn't ever complete any. Oh, and the bish always capitulate halfway through the war and hang their leader on a rope (like Mussolini) and thus you can't fly italian planes once some bases get taken.
the 109T never was in production because there never were any CVs. That being said, the american rides dominate the choices from a CV in AH as we don't have many of the Japanese planes (compared to German/American/British), so a 109 would be a nice temporary stop gap until HTC is able to fill out the Japanese plane set more completely.
FYI, we have German planes that were produced in numbers in the low hundreds, yet we are missing Japanese planes that had production numbers well into the thousands.
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If you are going to go with a 109T, you better use the Emil, not the Franz.
http://www.worldwartwobooks.com/product.php/4544/messerschmitt-bf-109-t-luftwaffe-s-naval-fighter (http://www.worldwartwobooks.com/product.php/4544/messerschmitt-bf-109-t-luftwaffe-s-naval-fighter)
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I thought Germany hard cargo ships converted to aircraft carriers which they operated 109Ts off?
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I thought Germany hard cargo ships converted to aircraft carriers which they operated 109Ts off?
That would be news to me. All I have ever seen is stuff about Bf109Ts operating off of land bases.
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I thought Germany hard cargo ships converted to aircraft carriers which they operated 109Ts off?
British. Hurricanes.
Cam Ships. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAM_ship)
(http://www.warshipsww2.eu/gb/aav/img/ship-cam.jpg)
(http://blog.usni.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/CAM-ship_hurricaneoncatapult.jpg)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QR8g4Xructs&NR=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QR8g4Xructs&NR=1)
wrongway
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British. Hurricanes.
Cam Ships. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAM_ship)
(http://www.warshipsww2.eu/gb/aav/img/ship-cam.jpg)
(http://blog.usni.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/CAM-ship_hurricaneoncatapult.jpg)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QR8g4Xructs&NR=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QR8g4Xructs&NR=1)
wrongway
I meant taking a cargo ship and converting it into an aircraft carrier. You would have to remove all the cargo and build a flight deck on it.
Unfortunately I could not find a good picture.
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I meant taking a cargo ship and converting it into an aircraft carrier. You would have to remove all the cargo and build a flight deck on it.
Unfortunately I could not find a good picture.
I am really very skeptical. To the best of my knowledge the only CV the Germans had was the Graf Zepplin and it never moved under its own power, nor was it ever capable of receiving or launching an aircraft.
The Americans, British and Japanese spent decades each to create effective carrier operations doctrines and I doubt the Germans managed to duplicate that off of some converted freighters during the war.
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I flew one today when I picked the A vs A arena for a duel.
I never saw him show up but I had to wait for 5 minutes to download the terrain so....
The 109T did fly plenty more missions than more than a few planes that are already here even though it flew from land bases.
A lot of the guys on this thread are never seen in the A VS A arena anyway.
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If you want to limit the thread to AvA participants, try putting it in the right forum maybe?
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My meaning is that the guys I mentioned will never have to deal with a 109 upping a cv because they aren't flying in the arena.
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Sorry Shemp, eve tho i would LOVE to fly a sea 109, i give it a -1.
The Graf Zeppelin was almost completed in '41 then they took a break in the construction. When they could finally complete it, it could leave the harbour couse of the red navy. It was captured and sunk by the russians.
The 109T was an emil modifyed for carryer operations (they thought the G.Z. will be operational in '41, and modifyed the current 109). I dont have much info about it, but it seen combat.
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The 109T was most similar to a 109E-7 in actual performance. The only real difference would be the longer wingtips. This would make it roll worse and be more susceptible to G-forces ripping wings off (example: Ta152 in-game), but it would have a better turn radius (maybe) and better lift at higher alts (maybe).
Overall a non-entity for the Luftwaffe's planeset. We would be much better off with an E-7 or an E-7Z or an E-7N.
Just.... not on a cv.
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However, if I recall correctly, the 109-T scored the 1st B-17 kill of the war.
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The 109T was most similar to a 109E-7 in actual performance. The only real difference would be the longer wingtips. This would make it roll worse and be more susceptible to G-forces ripping wings off (example: Ta152 in-game), but it would have a better turn radius (maybe) and better lift at higher alts (maybe).
Overall a non-entity for the Luftwaffe's planeset. We would be much better off with an E-7 or an E-7Z or an E-7N.
Just.... not on a cv.
How could anything roll worse than a 109E? It so , it wouldnt roll at all! Why is the 109E such a god-awful roller anyway? Anybody know? :headscratch:
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-10^11
:salute
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In the AvA we do sometimes run "what if?" scenarios. For the past week, it was what if Germany had finished and deployed a carrier.
We have to fudge such a set up and we don't have tailhooks.
As for the wish, I'm neutral.
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Hes saying the 109's flip and stall quirks. I don't think there is much substance to that either but more so than a spit perhaps.
He is? :confused:
<snip>(except the seafire has almost none of its bad flip over & spin stall quirks modeled),<snip>
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Germans Had no carriers.They had plans to build a Zepplin Aircraft carrier but that got toasted! :D
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I meant taking a cargo ship and converting it into an aircraft carrier. You would have to remove all the cargo and build a flight deck on it.
Unfortunately I could not find a good picture.
Ah ha.
You're slightly confused.
The Cassiblanca class CVE built on converted Liberty Ship hulls. They were also known as Kaiser Carriers for their builder, Kaiser Steel of Vancouver, Washington.
(http://www.the-blueprints.com/blueprints-depot-restricted/ships/carriers-us/uss_cve_63_midway_casablanca_class-05782.jpg)
Kaiser = U.S. Ship building company. Kaiser ≠ Emperor of Germany.
:D
wrongway
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Ah ha.
You're slightly confused.
The Cassiblanca class CVE built on converted Liberty Ship hulls. They were also known as Kaiser Carriers for their builder, Kaiser Steel of Vancouver, Washington.
(http://www.the-blueprints.com/blueprints-depot-restricted/ships/carriers-us/uss_cve_63_midway_casablanca_class-05782.jpg)
Kaiser = U.S. Ship building company. Kaiser ≠ Emperor of Germany.
:D
wrongway
I don't think that I'm confusing it with the Kaiser class, because this is the first time I hear of that class of ships.
There is a high possibility that I'm just wrong :( (perhaps my source was incorrect)
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Germans Had no carriers.They had plans to build a Zepplin Aircraft carrier but that got toasted! :D
hee hee heeeeee, funny isnt it? Sayin once more, what was said a couple times before...
You have a place in my hearth.
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You have a place in my hearth.
You gonna cook him in your fireplace and eat him?
ack-ack
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You gonna cook him in your fireplace and eat him?
ack-ack
Roasted rabbit...
(http://blogs.houstonpress.com/eating/rabbitspit.jpg)
Not too bad. There's worse things you could eat.
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Roasted rabbit...
(http://blogs.houstonpress.com/eating/rabbitspit.jpg)
Not too bad. There's worse things you could eat.
Wha??? Pictures of dead bunnies? :furious :furious :furious :D
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That rabbits not pining for the fjords, or dead!!! It's resting.