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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Ardy123 on April 19, 2011, 03:43:26 AM
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I'm sorry but it is impossible to play against people who have huge latency. Certain members know this, yet they continue to play. Its beyond frustrating to try and track a plane that is jumping across the sky like a UFO, and dogfighting is next to impossible.
I say this because certain members know this and they continue to play knowing this.. (and refuse to use dial up which many ISPs providers offer for free with the normal service).
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That could be you they are booting someday, careful what you wish for.
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I'm sorry but it is impossible to play against people who have huge latency. Certain members know this, yet they continue to play. Its beyond frustrating to try and track a plane that is jumping across the sky like a UFO, and dogfighting is next to impossible.
I say this because certain members know this and they continue to play knowing this.. (and refuse to use dial up which many ISPs providers offer for free with the normal service).
I well recall a fight in which I was up against a 190A-8 (in my 109g-14), acquired my opponents six, was about to dispatch the opponent, and then was surprised to see him disappear and then reappear. This happened twice and both times, he snapshot me down. He then apologized via pm for his warpiness and claimed to be having lots of latency issues.
I buy that. It also ticked me off. Everyone has seen a high-latency player now and again and it's annoying as hell and destructive of immersion and play quality.
+1 on your request, you smart-aced youngster.
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500ms would be better ...
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500ms would be better ...
what about bad packet loss with a 130 round trip time on a 30mb down 3mb up connection :uhoh.
I believe what ardy is wishing for is some sort of monitoring system that will give out "speeding" tickets when either the round trip or packet loss is unacceptable. Which ever results in guys zigging 1k a time all over our screens, taking the subway through the airfield and pulling out the other side 2k away. etc.
I +1 the wish as long as it designed to get the really bad, continual warpers. They are detrimental to furballs and gameplay.
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what about bad packet loss with a 130 round trip time on a 30mb down 3mb up connection :uhoh.
I believe what ardy is wishing for is some sort of monitoring system that will give out "speeding" tickets when either the round trip or packet loss is unacceptable. Which ever results in guys zigging 1k a time all over our screens, taking the subway through the airfield and pulling out the other side 2k away. etc.
I +1 the wish as long as it designed to get the really bad, continual warpers. They are detrimental to furballs and gameplay.
only if its for the extreme cases...
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That could be you they are booting someday, careful what you wish for.
True.
All player connections from the server's standpoint will eventually experience a latency event no matter how fast whether it's from your computer resizing the pagefile or any other fluke event between your front end and the server.
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ya Ardy.....wireless is ALL that I can get :mad:
well next time someone is on your six, I wont help or tell ya they are there.....you know due to my lag it wont get to you in time :D
seriously though wireless is all that is possible for some....like me.....and I have fought bad warpers before something that isn't a big deal :aok
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ya Ardy.....wireless is ALL that I can get :mad:
well next time someone is on your six, I wont help or tell ya they are there.....you know due to my lag it wont get to you in time :D
seriously though wireless is all that is possible for some....like me.....and I have fought bad warpers before something that isn't a big deal :aok
Wirless as in WiFi lag isn't all that bad, its satellite connections that suck and have 2+ sec latency times. Or are you sarcastically quoting some of the responses you hear on 200 when you call out certain members for constant UFO like warping?
That could be you they are booting someday, careful what you wish for.
Fine with me, If I'm destroying the experience of everyone else playing then I shouldn't be there. Just make sure a clear error message is presented to the user why they were booted.
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Wirless as in WiFi lag isn't all that bad, its satellite connections that suck and have 2+ sec latency times.
Fine with me, If I'm destroying the experience of everyone else playing then I shouldn't be there. Just make sure a clear error message is presented to the user why they were booted.
I can go from a ping of 200-1000.....it is never stable and sux hard core...but I only get "your warping" occasionally....I hate comcast but miss it at the same time :bhead
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I can go from a ping of 200-1000.....it is never stable and sux hard core...but I only get "your warping" occasionally....I hate comcast but miss it at the same time :bhead
ahh... then don't worry, your under the threshold, I'm talking about a select few members and I think you know who too.
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I see that some online games (iRacing) don't support satellite connections. Perhaps this is the way to go.
I was fighting a guy the other night, when heading for the merge it became apparent that he was going for the HO shot. No big deal, I made my adjustment and watched him pass harmlessly off my left wing. Once he was ~d800 behind me (heading away) the bullets started hitting my plane. I thought,"whoah, that was a nasty internet hiccup" and continued the fight. A couple turns later I was about to come around on him (so I thought) when more bullets hit and shredded my A/C.
The guy wasn't pointed at me and I never felt like I was in danger.
Next sortie, I'm about to wax the guy when he disappears. I lost sight of him and was shocked when bullets started impacting my A/C again. He magically came through ~300 degrees of turn and ended up on my 5.
I had to check and sure enough, guy had a relatively low score. That doesn't mean much to me, but it got me to thinking. How many players is he doing this to? It is a totally unfair advantage and should be stopped. As it was though, I merely left the area and found a fight elsewhere.
I called him out on 200 but didn't pursue it too far. As far as I know, he's a nice fellow with an internet problem. It sucks for the rest of us, as we can't hit what we can't see and he gets to fly around in some 4th dimension world.
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I had to check and sure enough, guy had a relatively low score.
Probably because no one can kill him as they can't figure out where he is or where he is going to be, as you discovered the hard way.
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People that fly with a framerate of 5 don't have it easy either though. It makes them inherently want to boost their bandwidth..... If YOU have never been "the latent" you really shouldn't be barking stuff. :salute
Probably because no one can kill him as they can't figure out where he is or where he is going to be, as you discovered the hard way.
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It's just funny how some people will only warp when you get on their six. rest of the time you will see them flying around normally. then they blame their internet connection. that's what happened yesterday at the port, i got shot down by somebody that was in front of me then reappeared behind me.
semp
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It's just funny how some people will only warp when you get on their six. rest of the time you will see them flying around normally. then they blame their internet connection. that's what happened yesterday at the port, i got shot down by somebody that was in front of me then reappeared behind me.
semp
basically due to the fact that as you get closer more info is being transferred
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I do want to say that I am not on a Lagger soapbox, but...... On a decent connection, think of diving into a furball, even some decent boxes will get a little lag. Now think the bad connection... And the guy on the six.... Even though there is less to draw, the lag problem increases. I'll be the first one to femaleDog a warper when I'm 1k out but I try to give them the benefit of the doubt.
It's just funny how some people will only warp when you get on their six. rest of the time you will see them flying around normally. then they blame their internet connection. that's what happened yesterday at the port, i got shot down by somebody that was in front of me then reappeared behind me.
semp
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I do want to say that I am not on a Lagger soapbox, but...... On a decent connection, think of diving into a furball, even some decent boxes will get a little lag. Now think the bad connection... And the guy on the six.... Even though there is less to draw, the lag problem increases. I'll be the first one to femaleDog a warper when I'm 1k out but I try to give them the benefit of the doubt.
sorry llogan, not when it happens everytime you or somebody else gets on their six only. there's lots of people here with satellite connection but they dont warp like that. when it happens only at specific times (when you get behind them) then it's not the connection to blame.
semp
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sorry llogan, not when it happens everytime you or somebody else gets on their six only. there's lots of people here with satellite connection but they dont warp like that. when it happens only at specific times (when you get behind them) then it's not the connection to blame.
semp
ehh....i've been here many moons and haven't seen what you are talking about, ya Ive seen people warp behind me, but I don't assume they are cheating....as a matter of fact Ive NEVER seen a Cheat ingame...that is what you are eluding to right.
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Several months ago I warped bad on ReDevil2 (I think that's who it was anyway.) He told me he was running film and was gonna send it in. I explained to him that I was running wireless and that he should hold on a sec. I re-logged and was able to hold a stable enough connection for a couple more good fights. Nothing more needed to be said.
I've since switched to DSL.
Last week I lost UDP while in the AvA. I warped a bit, re-logged and was good to go the rest of the night.
My point is that these things happen on occasion. My beef is with people that, when told they are warping, basically tell you to get stuffed and won't even bother trying to fix the issue. They know that they have an unfair advantage and will fully exploit it any chance they get. It's like having a handful of extra pieces in a game of chess.
Of course, it is just a game after all....
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Several months ago I warped bad on ReDevil2 (I think that's who it was anyway.) He told me he was running film and was gonna send it in. I explained to him that I was running wireless and that he should hold on a sec. I re-logged and was able to hold a stable enough connection for a couple more good fights. Nothing more needed to be said.
I've since switched to DSL.
Last week I lost UDP while in the AvA. I warped a bit, re-logged and was good to go the rest of the night.
My point is that these things happen on occasion. My beef is with people that, when told they are warping, basically tell you to get stuffed and won't even bother trying to fix the issue. They know that they have an unfair advantage and will fully exploit it any chance they get. It's like having a handful of extra pieces in a game of chess.
Of course, it is just a game after all....
they DO NOT have an unfair advantage :rolleyes:
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they DO NOT have an unfair advantage :rolleyes:
Ummm, I'm about to shoot you down and you disappear and the re-appear on my six.
No advantage there.
Riiiight. :rolleyes:
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Ummm, I'm about to shoot you down and you disappear and the re-appear on my six.
No advantage there.
Riiiight. :rolleyes:
lol that just don't happen very often..... and to them every one else is warping :aok
like I said I have a crap connection and when I warp it looks like every one else is(and rebooting does nothing)....its not rocket science
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lol that just don't happen very often..... and to them every one else is warping :aok
like I said I have a crap connection and when I warp it looks like every one else is(and rebooting does nothing)....its not rocket science
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For the most part I'm with ink on this about giving adv, except if the defender is trying to pull a defensive acm on the attacker and the attacker has a very laggy connection. The reason is because AH models the bullet strikes from the attackers screen, so its all about what the attacker sees, even if its 'wrong', and not what the defender sees.
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Well, I'll concede the advantage point to you guys I guess.
It's been so long since I've played with a crummy connection perhaps I've forgotten what it was like.
I still feel that hardcore habitual warpers should at least be given some sort of formal notice. By this I mean that they should be told that their connection isn't up to snuff and they might consider diagnosing the problem.
Most will simply scoff at it, but there may be some that are unaware of the issue and it might be the incentive needed to look into possible solutions.
BTW ink, I was in a furball last week against you and some of your buds. I never noticed any warpage from anybody in the area. :salute
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I know what he means, been there, seen that. But even if it was a so called "cable puller," in my own "testing" I cannot recreate it, I'll always lose my host. :uhoh
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when I had comcast I never warped..yet had people tell me I warped....and one even came back and apologized to me said he reviewed the film and saw in the film I maneuvered while I was under his nose so he didn't see me maneuver and was surprised when I popped up on his 6....
what I find funny is the amount of "cheating" accusations that go on.
hell recently I was hearing a few people talk about a impervious 109...so I said to myself "well lets test that theory" first hit pieces were falling off... he died very shortly after.
people don't understand how someone does something they automatically assume "cheat" ....you hear "no way could that 190 out turn my spit" yet that 190 never "out turned" the spit just out "maneuvered"
I cant count the times Ive heard "no way can a hurri do that"
comes down to the same thing, people don't understand something they ASSUME the worst, what is sad is all the so called "vets" that cry cheat quicker then the noobs.
Well, I'll concede the advantage point to you guys I guess.
It's been so long since I've played with a crummy connection perhaps I've forgotten what it was like.
I still feel that hardcore habitual warpers should at least be given some sort of formal notice. By this I mean that they should be told that their connection isn't up to snuff and they might consider diagnosing the problem.
Most will simply scoff at it, but there may be some that are unaware of the issue and it might be the incentive needed to look into possible solutions.
BTW ink, I was in a furball last week against you and some of your buds. I never noticed any warpage from anybody in the area. :salute
I hate the fact that I will get a warp, truly hate it, thankfully its not that bad.....
another reason I say its not an advantage, someone with a high ping time, such as myself.
will not always "see" the nme where he really is...for instance I pride my self on my merge, on how to avoid a HO on the merge, yet just yesterday I merge with a spit, it was clean, until he passed me, then bullets started to hit my plane and he took out my engine oil :headscratch: he was 400 behind me when the rounds started to hit.
did he cheat? no not even close, my connection is just that bad
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HTC would potentially loose money to this. If the persons connection is lagging that bad and they still love to play but get kicked constantly they'll leave.
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It's just funny how some people will only warp when you get on their six. rest of the time you will see them flying around normally. then they blame their internet connection. that's what happened yesterday at the port, i got shot down by somebody that was in front of me then reappeared behind me.
semp
My router causes me to lose UDP. This causes me to warp. It happens as much when I'm on someones six as when someone is on mine.
When I lose UDP, the other planes continue going the same direction, sometimes underground, then everything disappears then pops back up 5k away or I'm getting shot.
My new router just boots me.
wrongway
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Many people who warp when you get on your six are warping because that's the moment in the fight that they start crying on vox for help from friendlies.
Keying up vox has to interrupt the flight data in some way.
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500ms would be better ...
No it wouldn't, a .5 second delay isn't game breaking and it close to the high end of the average ping rate for customers.
ack-ack
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It's just funny how some people will only warp when you get on their six. rest of the time you will see them flying around normally. then they blame their internet connection. that's what happened yesterday at the port, i got shot down by somebody that was in front of me then reappeared behind me.
semp
It's funny how people play an online game for so long and yet have no clue how the Internet works. If you did, you'd know why some experience micro-warps at close range like you describe.
ack-ack
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It's funny how people play an online game for so long and yet have no clue how the Internet works. If you did, you'd know why some experience micro-warps at close range like you describe.
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I dont know ack enlighten me please by explaining how a guy will only warp when you get on their six, rest of the time he just flies around normally.
semp
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I dont know ack enlighten me please by explaining how a guy will only warp when you get on their six, rest of the time he just flies around normally.
semp
was explained already....many many times over :rolleyes:
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... ok then give us an estimate of the offset on the merge required to avoid a guy whos intent on HOin you, when his latency is over half a second ...
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Booting paying customers from an arena, out of hand and based on the fact that they have a crappy connection?
Never going to happen.
Not saying it shouldn't be addressed in some way, but it is not going to be in the form of pissing off subscribers.
Any that don't lag, yet will threaten to cancel their account because of it?
I'll believe that when I see it...
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... ok then give us an estimate of the offset on the merge required to avoid a guy whos intent on HOin you, when his latency is over half a second ...
I don't know :headscratch:
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my guess, you have to make your break .5s before you would for a low ping opponent. thats a long way at 300mph ...
you must have experienced a merge which you thought had plenty enough offset, but ended up with your plane full of holes. thats why.
edit: I have a classic warpin death film I'd just love to post, but pretty sure it would get removed because the name is in the film. very dodgy indeed. :furious
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my guess, you have to make your break .5s before you would for a low ping opponent. thats a long way at 300mph ...
you must have experienced a merge which you thought had plenty enough offset, but ended up with your plane full of holes. thats why.
edit: I have a classic warpin death film I'd just love to post, but pretty sure it would get removed because the name is in the film. very dodgy indeed. :furious
I'd do it. Why? Because facts are facts. Nobody should have a problem with the truth. Besides, the perp has a ready defense.
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well the guy still plays and hes not exactly known for his good attitude ...
and I'm scurred of the banhammer :uhoh
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Booting paying customers from an arena, out of hand and based on the fact that they have a crappy connection?
Never going to happen.
Not saying it shouldn't be addressed in some way, but it is not going to be in the form of pissing off subscribers.
Any that don't lag, yet will threaten to cancel their account because of it?
I'll believe that when I see it...
you could limit them to GVs where the rate of travel isn't as fast and thus 2 sec lag is not the difference between you being on his 6 or him being on your 6.
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I'm sorry but it is impossible to play against people who have huge latency. Certain members know this, yet they continue to play. Its beyond frustrating to try and track a plane that is jumping across the sky like a UFO, and dogfighting is next to impossible.
I say this because certain members know this and they continue to play knowing this.. (and refuse to use dial up which many ISPs providers offer for free with the normal service).
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Who are these "certain players"? Say the names, man. Say the names!
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:noid
Who are these "certain players"? Say the names, man. Say the names!
I don't need too, and you are just hoping to unleash skuzzy's ban hammer.
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:noid
Who are these "certain players"? Say the names, man. Say the names!
With the satellite reference, I think they are whining about joeblack. The guy lives in the boondocks and unfortunately, it's the best quality connection he can get.
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Keep in mind that this game is played by people from around the globe and not all of them may have the same connectivity that you and I have. I know that some may use it to their advantage but to group all people into one group is a bit rash. What gives HTC the right to boot me after I pay my monthly fee because they think I lag to much?? I know I would be very upset with HTC if they did that. Not good to make your customers mad.
BigKev
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Keep in mind that this game is played by people from around the globe and not all of them may have the same connectivity that you and I have. I know that some may use it to their advantage but to group all people into one group is a bit rash. What gives HTC the right to boot me after I pay my monthly fee because they think I lag to much?? I know I would be very upset with HTC if they did that. Not good to make your customers mad.
BigKev
Most players from all around the world don't have awful 2+sec lag. Even players from places like Hungry, which may not have as developed infrastructure as say the UK. Also, a few upset players at the balanced by everyone else having a good environment seems to be a fair trade off...
Why should all the other players have to put up with one players laggy garbage connection, just so that one player is happy?
We are not talking about people with 300-500ms pings, we are talking about a perpetual few individuals who are around 2+ sec (2000+ ping time) who presence reduce the game experience from air combat to a futile game of whack-a-mole as they randomly jump across your screen.
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Most players from all around the world don't have awful 2+sec lag. Even players from places like Hungry, which may not have as developed infrastructure as say the UK. Also, a few upset players at the balanced by everyone else having a good environment seems to be a fair trade off...
Why should all the other players have to put up with one players laggy garbage connection, just so that one player is happy?
We are not talking about people with 300-500ms pings, we are talking about a perpetual few individuals who are around 2+ sec (2000+ ping time) who presence reduce the game experience from air combat to a futile game of whack-a-mole as they randomly jump across your screen.
Like I said I pay for a service, what gives you are anybody else the right to boot me because you dont like the way I lag? You dont pay my monthly fee. Nor does HTC. I pay HTC. I dont like it either but to just decide that because you lag you deserve a boot. HTC would lose customers if they did it. Its just something that we will have to deal with even though we dont like it.
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With the satellite reference, I think they are whining about joeblack. The guy lives in the boondocks and unfortunately, it's the best quality connection he can get.
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My last encounter with him was thinking I had a clean merge. Come to hear bullets hitting the plane a few seconds after he passes then I get the white collision msg when he starts berrating on 200 how I rammed him.
I can totaly understand someone wanting to play with that connection and sure there are going to be problems. Ive been told a few times that I was warping. A simple sorry and I will even try to relog if I can, but he just insists he is right and its everyone elses fault.
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Like I said I pay for a service, what gives you are anybody else the right to boot me because you dont like the way I lag? You dont pay my monthly fee. Nor does HTC. I pay HTC. I dont like it either but to just decide that because you lag you deserve a boot. HTC would lose customers if they did it. Its just something that we will have to deal with even though we dont like it.
What makes your $ more valuable than everyone else?
nothing... so your argument holds no water.
Oh yeah, and other games already do this, iRacing as pointed out already forbids people with satellite connections.
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A simple sorry and I will even try to relog if I can, but he just insists he is right and its everyone elses fault.
If I was joeblack and everyone and their mother calling me names because of my connection, I'd tell everyone else too to get bent. The guy is in a location where the only reliable connection he has is a satellite connection and it's just as frustrating for him as it is for everyone else and despite the whines and claims, he does not do it to induce any sort of advantage.
ack-ack
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If I was joeblack and everyone and their mother calling me names because of my connection, I'd tell everyone else too to get bent. The guy is in a location where the only reliable connection he has is a satellite connection and it's just as frustrating for him as it is for everyone else and despite the whines and claims, he does not do it to induce any sort of advantage.
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Many satellite connections are coupled with dial-up for the up stream connection. he could use his dialup and avoid the issue. Also, most satellite ISP providers offer dial up for free.
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Many satellite connections are coupled with dial-up for the up stream connection. he could use his dialup and avoid the issue. Also, most satellite ISP providers offer dial up for free.
His dial up connection is worse than his satellite connection. The only way his connection is going to improve is if he moves out of the rural area he lives in.
Maybe you guys should start up a collection for him so he can move to an area with a better and more reliable connection.
ack-ack
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Oh yeah, and other games already do this, iRacing as pointed out already forbids people with satellite connections.
yup, iirc the default kick level was 350ms for RTCW and ET servers. I realise that its more critical for FPS games where a fast twitch means the diff between life and death but I played with players from japan and australasia all the time on texas based servers so 500ms isnt unreasonable ...
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His dial up connection is worse than his satellite connection. The only way his connection is going to improve is if he moves out of the rural area he lives in.
Maybe you guys should start up a collection for him so he can move to an area with a better and more reliable connection.
ack-ack
Highly unlikely..
The average latency for broadband by satellite is between 500 and 900 milliseconds–much worse than even a dial-up internet connection, where the latency is only 150 to 200 milliseconds.
http://www.hikaro.com/communications/broadband-internet/broadband-satellite%C2%A0%C2%A0.html (http://www.hikaro.com/communications/broadband-internet/broadband-satellite%C2%A0%C2%A0.html)
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nice idea to accommodate everybody, but should we ensure players with a i486 + ATi Rage PC can play too?
btw latency to the moon is less than 1.5s ...
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nice idea to accommodate everybody, but should we ensure players with a i486 + ATi Rage PC can play too?
btw latency to the moon is less than 1.5s ...
is that a 486 SX or DX.. ;)
exactly RT ... there should be a threshold, as latency range is another requirement just as a cpu is.
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Highly unlikely..
The average latency for broadband by satellite is between 500 and 900 milliseconds–much worse than even a dial-up internet connection, where the latency is only 150 to 200 milliseconds.
http://www.hikaro.com/communications/broadband-internet/broadband-satellite%C2%A0%C2%A0.html (http://www.hikaro.com/communications/broadband-internet/broadband-satellite%C2%A0%C2%A0.html)
The problem as he had explained it to me with his dial up isn't the dial up ISP but the quality of the phone lines in his area that have not been upgraded in decades. The guy lives in a very rural area and to get the lines improved and upgraded to his house he'd have to be the one to pay the costs or wait until the phone company decides to improve and upgrade the phone lines in his area.
ack-ack
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The problem as he had explained it to me with his dial up isn't the dial up ISP but the quality of the phone lines in his area that have not been upgraded in decades. The guy lives in a very rural area and to get the lines improved and upgraded to his house he'd have to be the one to pay the costs or wait until the phone company decides to improve and upgrade the phone lines in his area.
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I'm not singling out Joe Black, there is a small collection of people who fit in this category (4-5). I'd lump them into the same group as the people who don't have a good enough computer to play the game and say, tough.
The avg satellite latency is way below 2 sec, as a matter of fact, its less than half that, so there is more going on (Crappy ISP with tons of proxies that have buffers that are too large, etc...). Notice I didn't say the connection type in the wish, just the latency.
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If I was joeblack and everyone and their mother calling me names because of my connection, I'd tell everyone else too to get bent. The guy is in a location where the only reliable connection he has is a satellite connection and it's just as frustrating for him as it is for everyone else and despite the whines and claims, he does not do it to induce any sort of advantage.
ack-ack
I never claimed he did it on purpose to gain an advantage. Even after the incident I made no mention about it. He is very well aware that he has a crappy connection and will call YOU out for it as most that are notorious "warpers" in the game.
I understand everyone cant have a great connection all the time, but if I'm well known for it, I have no right to call out others for collisions due to warping and he just did not get it.
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you could limit them to GVs where the rate of travel isn't as fast and thus 2 sec lag is not the difference between you being on his 6 or him being on your 6.
Will only work if you limit the subscription fee, which, will never happen.
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What makes your $ more valuable than everyone else?
nothing... so your argument holds no water.
Oh yeah, and other games already do this, iRacing as pointed out already forbids people with satellite connections.
Ok and to play your own game what makes your money worth more than mine or anybody elses? Nothing!.... so your argument is worthless as well according to your own statement. AH is not iracing. And do tell how if HTC decided to implement this measure how many honest people who just dont have the connectivity sufficent to meet this standard are not gaming this issue? You cant tell. Its just something that HTC would have to make as a business decision and I dont see HTC wanting to lose customers over issues such as this. I dont it becuase you know some people game yet like on poster stated some people are man enough man up and say the lag was a reason something happend. Now if you can tell me how you tell which is which then I may take your point of view and side with you.
BigKev
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Ok and to play your own game what makes your money worth more than mine or anybody elses? ......
simple math does...lets say 10 people are playing AH...
your warpy $15
everyone else's non warpy $135 (9*15).
Now, who has more weight?
the 9 ($135), say I don't like playing with him, he warps like a UFO, or your $15?
Oh, and I never claimed people were using it to cheat, that was a different poster. I just find it obnoxious and detrimental to the whole experience. If people wanted to play "Spastic Whack-a-mole" they would just play this
http://www.addictinggames.com/whackamole.html (http://www.addictinggames.com/whackamole.html)
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simple math does...lets say 10 people are playing AH...
your warpy $15
everyone else's non warpy $135 (9*15).
Now, who has more weight?
the 9 ($135), say I don't like playing with him, he warps like a UFO, or your $15?
Oh, and I never claimed people were using it to cheat, that was a different poster. I just find it obnoxious and detrimental to the whole experience. If people wanted to play "Spastic Whack-a-mole" they would just play this
http://www.addictinggames.com/whackamole.html (http://www.addictinggames.com/whackamole.html)
So what you are saying is if I live in BFE Wyoming and my telephone lines that havent been upgraded in eons (and not in my control) and my connection is not up to par I cannot play this game because you dont like it when I lag? Ridiculous. I know what you are saying about guys using and gaming it but how can you tell who is gaming or not? You cant. The call isnt mine or yours its HTC's and in this economy I think HTC is going to keep as many customers as it can. Plus if you are not really concerned about people gamiing it then just reup and enjoy the game in another fight.
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So what you are saying is if I live in BFE Wyoming and my telephone lines that havent been upgraded in eons (and not in my control) and my connection is not up to par I cannot play this game because you dont like it when I lag? Ridiculous.
you have it wrong... here it should be like this...
So what you are saying is if you live in BFE Wyoming and your telephone lines that havent been upgraded in eons (and not in your control) and your connection is not up to par you cannot play this game because everyone else doesn't like it when you lag?
Yes, that is what I am saying.
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I'd respond, but I myself: "Why bother?"
Honestly, what is next week's "Look at me!" thread going to be?
"How to fix a Paper Football Contest because Dale always wins."
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Honestly, what is next week's "Look at me!" thread going to be?
I didn't start this thread for attention, I honestly believe in what I am saying.
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It's been so long since I've played with a crummy connection perhaps I've forgotten what it was like.
You haven't played on a 'crummy connection' unless you've played from Elim, Alaska
like greens had to when he played.
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btw are we talking about a roundtrip ping of 1500ms or each way? also what kind of variance is there on a satellite connection?
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btw are we talking about a roundtrip ping of 1500ms or each way? also what kind of variance is there on a satellite connection?
no 1500 one way, so ping of 3000!
the udp packets are one directional, so thats the time that matters.
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JoeBlack warps?
As to me no or not so bad as other players.
I flew vs or with him and i did not note super bad warp.
In my opinion there are two kind of warp event.
One is due to some lag from connection.
:salute
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Ardy123, I gotta say, you're about a real piece of work.
These "awful" lags you're talkin' about are seen so infrequently that
I find it amusing you're taken such a hateful stance with 'em.
You must have a very sad life.
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Ardy123, I gotta say, you're about a real piece of work.
These "awful" lags you're talkin' about are seen so infrequently that
I find it amusing you're taken such a hateful stance with 'em.
You must have a very sad life.
lol, yup thats it, I have a sad life... :rolleyes:
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lol, yup thats it, I have a sad life... :rolleyes:
Of course you do, Ardy. Why? I'm not sure. You just have a way of drawing flak.
However, I still like this idea, and I'll add a reason that hasn't been touched yet. Many of the allegations of cheating are rooted in latency. Cap the latency and you eliminate that entire contingent of complaints and issues. That's good for game credibility and that benefits HTC in a way that's difficult to cost. It also removes any adverse selection issues that would result from AH gaining a rep for having workable cheats (if, and I'm not saying there are any, AH was known to have workable cheats, it would attract cheaters who would, in turn, tend to chase above-board players from the game).
Otherwise, HEY, LOOKATMEEEEE PEOPLE!!! Free Skuzzlocks for the next to start another exhibition thread like Warbeast's Kill Klub!!!
I'm still chuckling over that.
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I'm sorry but it is impossible to play against people who have huge latency. Certain members know this, yet they continue to play. Its beyond frustrating to try and track a plane that is jumping across the sky like a UFO, and dogfighting is next to impossible.
I say this because certain members know this and they continue to play knowing this.. (and refuse to use dial up which many ISPs providers offer for free with the normal service).
Andy, I am sure if you pay the $100,000 to $200,000 to my phone company to run a DSL line to my house I would be all for this idea.....but sorry -1 for this one :salute
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Whoever chose to live in an area with lacking infrastructure also chose to live with the sacrifices.
It is possible that not being able to play an online game that requires good latency could be one of those sacrifices.
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Whoever chose to live in an area with lacking infrastructure also chose to live with the sacrifices.
Ahhh...the sage like words from someone that is utterly clueless. Any more words of wisdom you wish to bestow on us?
ack-ack
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Whoever chose to live in an area with lacking infrastructure also chose to live with the sacrifices.
exactly.
I live in town, I have friends that live outta town. when we meet up they usually have a little moan about the £30 taxi ride home, despite the fact they save £100s a year in taxes, £1000s a year in mortgage payments, have views of fields and clean air instead of crowded streets and the smell of exhaust fumes, get freshly picked fruit and veg from the local farm rather than prepackaged crap from a supermarket etc etc ... :rolleyes:
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Ahhh...the sage like words from someone that is utterly clueless. Any more words of wisdom you wish to bestow on us?
ack-ack
This is one of the few times I might think you're wrong, ack. There's an opportunity cost to every decision - even if you're not aware of it when you make the decision. That's a fact of the dismal science, even if the poster didn't voice it as such.
I'm curious as to why you find the statement obtuse. Is it just a case of Cpt. Obvious?
Also, let me know how you dodge the Skuzz Whammy with that kind of sarcasm. I mean, sometimes, I'm amazed at what I'm allowed. Other times I feel like he's whacked my peepee with a steel ruler causelessly. I think politely couched extreme sarcasm is fair game - and this seems to verify it. "Disrepectful" is a bit fuzzy...
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Ive seen more people who lag comments than i have seen flying in the game, it doesn't wreck my online immersion theres no immersion in the MA's the closest thing to that is in FSO's and Scenarios and if i do see it.. oh well its the internet and this is a Game it happens at times and for some it happens more because of their connection issues, again it's a Game folks :aok
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Ahhh...the sage like words from someone that is utterly clueless. Any more words of wisdom you wish to bestow on us?
ack-ack
I don't think you get it.
Maybe your contributions would be better used campaigning for a plane that has never been proven to have flown a combat mission and offers very little performance or role difference from 5 or 6 other planes currently in game.
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the occasional lag from someone that lives in the sticks is one thing,but when someone looks smooth then dissapears completely and reappears a few seconds later shooting at you that SUCKS
happened a few days ago to me,now you guys can callme clueless because I am and i accept that.But when you are on someones 6 and they literally dissappear and I dont mean they pulled a great move i mean they went POOF and dissaapeared,and reappeared shooting me down.That in itself really made me want to cancell my account,but I cannot as this game is like CRACK for me. I did leave for the night though. :bhead
what can anyone do?? nothing really except film everything and study it,I have the film for that.don't know how to post it as I really am clueless when it comes to computer matters. I guess what I am trying to say is that internet lag is acceptable "cheating lag" is NOT,how do we tell the diff??? anybody??
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I like it when a warper dives into the water and reemerges a few seconds later. That's some cool stuff right there. I also like when I'm on a warper's six and his rounds are hitting me from behind. That's a neat trick. Or how 'bout the cable yanker who somehow manages to warp only when I'm 200 yards behind him? Awesome stuff! There was this one guy who was 400 in front of me. I squeezed the trigger just as he made the jump to light speed. Frustrated, I ended my sortie, checked out of the blue arena and into the orange. The next thing I know the son-of-a-b*tch was on my six. He actually warped from one arena to another. My hats off to him!
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Those issues in the two posts above concern warp on demand.
There are other threads for that subject.
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I like it when a warper dives into the water and reemerges a few seconds later. That's some cool stuff right there. I also like when I'm on a warper's six and his rounds are hitting me from behind. That's a neat trick. Or how 'bout the cable yanker who somehow manages to warp only when I'm 200 yards behind him? Awesome stuff! There was this one guy who was 400 in front of me. I squeezed the trigger just as he made the jump to light speed. Frustrated, I ended my sortie, checked out of the blue arena and into the orange. The next thing I know the son-of-a-b*tch was on my six. He actually warped from one arena to another. My hats off to him!
:rofl
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I don't think you get it.
No, I quite get it. You expect someone that has lived in a house for decades before these wonderous tubes we call the Internets was invented to move so they can get better phone service so you don't have to whine so much when they lag.
Maybe your contributions would be better used campaigning for a plane that has never been proven to have flown a combat mission and offers very little performance or role difference from 5 or 6 other planes currently in game.
LOL! See, you really have no clue. Enjoy.
ack-ack
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No, I quite get it. You expect someone that has lived in a house for decades before these wonderous tubes we call the Internets was invented to move so they can get better phone service so you don't have to whine so much when they lag.
LOL! See, you really have no clue. Enjoy.
ack-ack
when I first came here to the boards I thought you a...well a bad word.. :D....but seriously you have been correct in almost everything ive ever read from ya, and once again you prove you know what the hell your talking about :salute
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No, I quite get it. You expect someone that has lived in a house for decades before these wonderous tubes we call the Internets was invented to move so they can get better phone service so you don't have to whine so much when they lag.
LOL! See, you really have no clue. Enjoy.
ack-ack
Thank you Akak, although your not known for warping your efforts are helping others comprise a list of whom to avoid in the ma due to warping. :aok
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No, I quite get it. You expect someone that has lived in a house for decades before these wonderous tubes we call the Internets was invented to move so they can get better phone service so you don't have to whine so much when they lag.
LOL! See, you really have no clue. Enjoy.
ack-ack
No....you really don't get it.
It's unfortunate that someone has a bad connection based where he lives but I don't think everybody else should have the lowest common denominator forced upon on them.
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Whoever chose to live in an area with lacking infrastructure also chose to live with the sacrifices.
It is possible that not being able to play an online game that requires good latency could be one of those sacrifices.
You're kidding, right?
I don't think you get it.
Please tell me you're kidding.
No....you really don't get it.
Oh my god, you're not kidding.
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You obviously haven't read the entire thread where I disagreed with the original poster.
Get off the bandwagon and score the brownnose points with your chosen champion elsewhere.
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You obviously haven't read the entire thread where I disagreed with the original poster.
Get off the bandwagon and score the brownnose points with your chosen champion elsewhere.
+1 on the comeback :rofl
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truthfully... if theyre warping, i just bide my time and wait to get the right shot off. usually the warpers cant get behind you easily. so just keep on their six and wait for the shot.
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Ardy who dont like to party for president!! ardy run for president of america n give all parts of america the internet connection we rightfully deserve. hell america gets most of its oil from alaska why not give the people of alaska sane internet connection then. so.......ardy ur saying i shud not be flying in aces high?!?! and rest of my friends from rural alaska shudnt be playing? tell me the truth.
greens
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Actually based on what I now know about what might be going on, I'm reconsidering. The laggy ones aren't necessarily suspect. I was hoping such a net would catch those who hide behinfd a latency cloak but are really up to no good. I now reckon it would not. It still might help the flow but would sort of screw an honest but internet connection-challenged contingent; something I'm not sure is really warranted given the minimal payback.
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Ardy who dont like to party for president!! ardy run for president of america n give all parts of america the internet connection we rightfully deserve. hell america gets most of its oil from alaska why not give the people of alaska sane internet connection then. so.......ardy ur saying i shud not be flying in aces high?!?! and rest of my friends from rural alaska shudnt be playing? tell me the truth.
greens
Greens,
I have never seen you consistently warp all over the place. This is why I stated a very high latency value and not a connection type. I'll say it again.. The avg latency for satellite users is ~900ms. I suggested people who were over 1.5 seconds (1500ms) (almost twice the avg latency). So greens I think you would be fine.
Also, the test for the boot doesn't have to behave like a trigger, where once in a blue moon you get 1.5 sec latency, it can test that your avg latency is 1.5 sec.
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If i lag or warp and someone like say a nme says it or a friendly....I bail or alt f4 myself out. its frustrating when i cant play w a good connection.
IF I WARP OR LAG NME or FRIENDLY....please tell me.
greens
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If i lag or warp and someone like say a nme says it or a friendly....I bail or alt f4 myself out. its frustrating when i cant play w a good connection.
IF I WARP OR LAG NME or FRIENDLY....please tell me.
greens
Greens, your a stand up guy. Sadly there are people who instead blame others for their connection issues. People who are known for warping horrendously. I find it surprising that Greens who lives in elm Alaska has a less warpy, better internet satellite connection than many people who live in the lower 48 states and insist that their warpiness is not them but others.
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Greens, your a stand up guy. Sadly there are people who instead blame others for their connection issues. People who are known for warping horrendously. I find it surprising that Greens who lives in elm Alaska has a less warpy, better internet satellite connection than many people who live in the lower 48 states and insist that their warpiness is not them but others.
Is there a way for HTC to find who does this stuff on purpose?, I use wireless and I for sure cannot play the game if my wife wants to facebook around while i wanna play. I am pretty sure there is a way to findout these things. AKAK?
greens
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Is there a way for HTC to find who does this stuff on purpose?, I use wireless and I for sure cannot play the game if my wife wants to facebook around while i wanna play. I am pretty sure there is a way to findout these things. AKAK?
greens
Films... I know a player who recently sent a film to the staff showing a player "disappearing" for 14 seconds - cause unknown - then reappearing on his six. This happened to me twice as well, though I didn't film it. The player submitted his film to HTC but did not hear back. This last is probative of nothing, for HTC claims ( and I have no reason to doubt this) that they will deal with cheaters and take the issue seriously. I can only assume they contacted the "accused" and warned or disciplined him/her/it.
There is a method of which I became aware, quite unintentionally and via the post of another player.... Some research readily confirmed that the player knew whereof he spoke. I am loathe to repeat anything material to that method and certainly would never use it myself. However, I'd say be vigilant and film sorties (hell, film sororities if you can get in there, especailly if they're not wearing much and are all drunk and itchy). I' don't like cheaters and would like to see them kicked out of the game.
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Ardy,
Would this posting be a round about way to suggest a solution to the "Urban Legend" of network cable connection intterupting boxes? Tapping that momentary button on the box a few times would by definition cause you to have a huge latency spike. If anything like that were really possible......
:headscratch: :joystick: :airplane:
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Ardy,
Would this posting be a round about way to suggest a solution to the "Urban Legend" of network cable connection intterupting boxes? Tapping that momentary button on the box a few times would by definition cause you to have a huge latency spike. If anything like that were really possible......
:headscratch: :joystick: :airplane:
To some extent yes, a key press or a page swap would up your latency by several 100ms but a cable pull would cause a latency spike well into the seconds (2000ms+).
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I'm sorry but it is impossible to play against people who have huge latency. Certain members know this, yet they continue to play. Its beyond frustrating to try and track a plane that is jumping across the sky like a UFO, and dogfighting is next to impossible.
I say this because certain members know this and they continue to play knowing this.. (and refuse to use dial up which many ISPs providers offer for free with the normal service).
If the only red guy you can find is a warping UFO, then you are playing the game wrong.
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Imo this thread should just be renamed Boot JoeBlack so there is no mistake on who Ardy is talking about.
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Imo this thread should just be renamed Boot JoeBlack so there is no mistake on who Ardy is talking about.
Hey Scuzzy
eek, I pressed the wrong button, I didn't intend to press the 'report to mod' on Grizz's post, but rather the quote button...
Either way, there are a few others than just joeblack. Last night as a matter of fact there was a certain individual who would fall under this category. Rudboi called out who it was, I don't remember who, it wasn't JoeBlack though.
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Several days ago, said person mentioned in Ardys post called me a noob after missing him. I told him he was lagging, he said it was my connection. :rolleyes:
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I was there when the guy ardy is talking about started warping. everytime i got on his six he would warp. there was no less than 10 people around looking at it.
semp
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Hey Scuzzy
eek, I pressed the wrong button, I didn't intend to press the 'report to mod' on Grizz's post, but rather the quote button...
:furious
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:furious
Must be karma...
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The argument seems to be between those that are saying people with bad connections should be kicked out/handed tickets and those that think that is harsh. No one seems to be saying that lag is good or desirable.
How about this? Put all the laggers together in one arena. X number of lag incidents over a certain period of time, they get moved to a "lag arena". There they will have no advantage or disadvantage, all will be lagging and the rest of the players can have a better experience. Everyone is allowed to play and no one gets kicked out.
Or flag them with an inverted tag so that people can choose to engage or not engage with them. If they engage, they get what they get but at least they have a choice.
A service designed for games should provide an even playing field or information that allows the player to choose their experience. This is what XBox does. You can't even connect without a broad band connection and players with bad latency are flagged. It doesn't make it perfect but it does make it better.
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How about this? Put all the laggers together in one arena. X number of lag incidents over a certain period of time, they get moved to a "lag arena". There they will have no advantage or disadvantage, all will be lagging and the rest of the players can have a better experience. Everyone is allowed to play and no one gets kicked out.
Or flag them with an inverted tag so that people can choose to engage or not engage with them. If they engage, they get what they get but at least they have a choice.
Thats not a bad idea at all :aok
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Minimum RequirementsCPU/Processor: 1.8 Ghz
OS: Win 2K/XP/Vista/Wn7
Memory: 512 MB
Video Card: DirectX 9.0 64MB
Internet Connection: A 28.8 modem or faster Internet connection
Sound Card: DirectX compatible sound card
Input Devices: Joystick or mouse.
Optional:Speakers and microphone are optional.
Seems a good chance any player with the minimum hardware requirements per HTC policy might warp a bit constantly.
With a dialup 28.8 connection as the minimum requirement to access the arenas opposed to xBox's strategy, how much real discrimination against players do all of you honestly want to demand HTC impose on it's customers? In effect you are publicly demanding HTC identify and either force paying customers to quit the game or uniquely stigmatise them. Banish them to an Aces High gehtto seems to be one of this lynch mobs ravings. Or a bright lavender badge of "Evil Connection" attached to their arena icons......
And when they came for you there was no one left to defend you...... Oh I forget, this MOB is on the side of whats good and right for Aces High per their world view because they have the "Good Connections" opposed to those bad players with the "Evil Connections".
OOps, Sorry, carry on....torches, ropes and pitchforks for sale at my gehtto stigmatisation sales stand. Ardy, I have a special "Ring Leaders" uniform with bright LED's for you so your MOB can follow you into the dark. Ahhhh, I just love a good MOB howling with richeous something or another off into the dark after their enemies.....is that the sounds of breaking glass.....
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Internet Connection: A 28.8 modem or faster Internet connection
rules out satellite then ...
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Seems a good chance any player with the minimum hardware requirements per HTC policy might warp a bit constantly.
Not true... as posted before...
Average dial-up Internet connection latency is only 150 to 200 milliseconds. I believe the game only sends a packet every 200 ms or so. The threshold I was suggesting is well over a second and would not affect any customer that meets the min standards specified.
http://www.hikaro.com/communications/broadband-internet/broadband-satellite%C2%A0%C2%A0.html (http://www.hikaro.com/communications/broadband-internet/broadband-satellite%C2%A0%C2%A0.html)
And when they came for you there was no one left to defend you...... Oh I forget, this MOB is on the side of whats good and right for Aces High per their world view because they have the "Good Connections" opposed to those bad players with the "Evil Connections".
The same could be said about people with old computers, but that doesn't mean we should support 486 SX (33hmz) computers and be stuck with 'dos age' graphics and flight modeling.
do you think these graphics would compete in todays landscape?
(http://static.gamesradar.com/images/mb/GamesRadar/us/Features/2010/10/Greatest%20evolutions/AirWarrior--article_image.jpg)
OOps, Sorry, carry on....torches, ropes and pitchforks for sale at my gehtto stigmatisation sales stand. Ardy, I have a special "Ring Leaders" uniform with bright LED's for you so your MOB can follow you into the dark. Ahhhh, I just love a good MOB howling with richeous something or another off into the dark after their enemies.....is that the sounds of breaking glass.....
Thats funny, I'll give you that though
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Hey bustr! Ease up dood! This isn't a freedom of speech issue, its a connect speed :).
The thing is this is a multiplayer game and there HAVE to be some minimum standards OR you have to be ok with an unlevel playing field. People who make a connection to the game that they KNOW is going to cause warps aren't doing anyone favors. They frustrate the people that they are playing with and they know it. I'm not saying, throw them out or don't let them play, but let them play with people who have similar connections so that its an EVEN playing field for all of them and all of the people who have good connections. This is not a "ghetto", its like grade school. You don't have high school seniors playing basketball with first graders. You put people together that have common qualities to improve their experience.
I understand that not all internet connections are created equal (as opposed to people). I cite Xbox because its multiplayer experience is generally very high quality and trust me, its really NICE to have non-warpy play. That can be done here as well.
Does a person who owns an unsafe, falling apart car have a right to drive on the freeway? It may be the only way they have to get around but safety is an overriding factor. In most states and countries they say NO. What we are all paying for is the EXPERIENCE. We should all have equivalent opportunities for a good game experience.
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Not true... as posted before...
Average dial-up Internet connection latency is only 150 to 200 milliseconds. I believe the game only sends a packet every 200 ms or so. The threshold I was suggesting is well over a second and would not affect any customer that meets the min standards specified.
Right, and the one well-documented/filmed no-scheisse highly suspicious activitiy I've seen was a 14-second disappearance. Cheats, given the "characteristic time constant" (coining a phrase here) of an ACM as executed at WWII combat speeds, would need to be on the order of seconds - well above dial-up latency. Anybody who has latency on that order of magnitude has either some serious problem or is doing something untoward.
I give this idea the thumbs up after careful consideration. I think HTC should institute a latency standard and disco those who exceed that standard. Those who disco can reconnect and play as normal since no penalties need be applied and no questions need be asked. The standard should be posted along with the hardware requirements (and perhaps an example ping to check your transit speed?).
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How about adding another option in the right click drop down menu of the roster that allows you to see the "net status" graph of that person?
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Can't believe I even read this thread! :bhead
NEXT whine, please!
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I'm not understanding how it is a "whine"?
Do you prefer that people blink in out of view?
Do you prefer that they zing 300-1000 or more yards in position?
Do you like being hit by planes that are showing to you at 1500 or more?
I played AW on a 300 baud modem and that was slide show that was barely, barely playable. 20+ years later we should not have to put up with the same thing. Are we saying that after two decades this is the best that can be done? This is a nearly totally preventable thing. All it takes is to give the players the information to deal with the problem. Flag them and you can choose to engage or not.
Cars and vehicles that cannot maintain freeway speeds are not allowed on the nation's freeways. By the same analogy connections that cannot keep with the game, should not be allowed on or at the very least they should be flagged (like a farm tractor on a roadway).
BTW, no one forced you to read :). No refunds :)
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Hey, you think Ardy is complaining about players who actually warp is bad?
One veteran player complains fairly regularly and loudly about the age old Internet Lag/lead problem...I.E, the fact that, due to the speed of light being finite being finite, you can be shot while it *appears* your opponent's nose is still in lag. I mean seriously, I agree, damn that speed of light, I want my intergalactic vacation!
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Fact of the matter is you can ask for whatever you want.
HTC however is in this business to make money.
They already do disconnect people who lose too many packets/don't have good connect to HTC.
Your asking them in hard economic times to tighten up their controls.
Sorry guys but I don't see them doing it.
Not in their best interest.
And as I said before some 6 pages up, be careful what you wish for, it might be you on the end of an iffy connect someday.