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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: ozrocker on April 20, 2011, 08:10:06 AM
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<S> Oz
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Who has a rotting horse? :D
I have a new bat.....
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The horse is far from dead :)
<S> Oz
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(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k483/xPingx/horse.jpg)
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I recall it faired well last attempt on the voting. It got beat out by the B-29 and that was sad. <kicks horse>
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+1 for us air to mud drivers :rock
HP
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I want this plane for it's capability to carry 6000Ib and the good defensive guns unlike the A20 BUT I agree with most people we need to stop focusing on the late war superplanes and more on the early war.
Like the PBY-5A :aok
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I want this plane for it's capability to carry 6000Ib and the good defensive guns unlike the A20 BUT I agree with most people we need to stop focusing on the late war superplanes and more on the early war.
Like the PBY-5A :aok
cool, let's get the planes few people will use. we dont have enough of them :D. I have an idea, let's have a pre ww2 arena, something like ww1.
+1 for the a26, time to get planes we will actually use.
semp
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(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k483/xPingx/horse.jpg)
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that looks like a cow. But I orrigonaly did vote for the A-26 but once it started getting beaten out by the 29 I voted for that instead
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Guncrasherim not saying we shouldn't get it I'm just saying we need other planes first I think.
<S> I'm just biased for PBY :D
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A26 has done good both times in the voting. I thought after the first vote it would get added....but it didn't. Come'on HTC give us what we want!!!!!!!
DuHasst
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The A-26 was my favorite ride in Air Warrior...back in the day. :) HiTech was there too! He was with AW before starting AH.
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The A-26 flight model in AW bore no resemblance to reality.
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The A-26 flight model in AW bore no resemblance to reality.
Hehe..none of the AW flight models I think bore any resemblance to reality.
ack-ack
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The A-26 flight model in AW bore no resemblance to reality.
Why not let them have the A-26? You get to repeatedly shoot them out of the sky when they try to fly it like a fighter. :devil
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I was wondering when we'd see one of these again... Its been, what, a week since the last one?
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Why not let them have the A-26? You get to repeatedly shoot them out of the sky when they try to fly it like a fighter. :devil
I have no say in whether they get it or not, and they will get it eventually, which I have no problems with. I do think that many other things should be added first, but I would support the A-26 being added before something like the B7A 'Grace' or Ki-102.
I am just warning those of them who base their expectations on their memories of AW that they will not get what they think they'll get. Anybody trying to use it as an air superiority fighter is in for a rude shock.
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If I can turn fite a fiter in my b26, I shouldnt have no problem with the a26. but we mostly want to use it as bomber/town killer.
semp
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Why not let them have the A-26? You get to repeatedly shoot them out of the sky when they try to fly it like a fighter. :devil
who said anything about flying it as a fighter ? we just want it because its cute/sexy/fast/carrys bombs/has guns :cheers:
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I have no say in whether they get it or not, and they will get it eventually, which I have no problems with. I do think that many other things should be added first, but I would support the A-26 being added before something like the B7A 'Grace' or Ki-102.
I am just warning those of them who base their expectations on their memories of AW that they will not get what they think they'll get. Anybody trying to use it as an air superiority fighter is in for a rude shock.
I agree that other things should come first. If the A-26 made it's way in though, I'd fly it.
who said anything about flying it as a fighter ? we just want it because its cute/sexy/fast/carrys bombs/has guns :cheers:
Well, I didn't mean EVERYONE would try to fly it like a fighter. :lol
Makes me want to ask, if you could choose just ONE plane to be added next and it was between the A26 and Beaufighter, which would make the cut? :devil
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If I can turn fite a fiter in my b26, I shouldnt have no problem with the a26. but we mostly want to use it as bomber/town killer.
semp
And put fires out with it
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v730/fugari/JimByers1.jpg)
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And put fires out with it
So use it to put the hanger fires out so hangers re-up faster :)
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Didn't the engine nacelles give it poor visibility? Iirc wasnt it a pig to fly?
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If I can turn fite a fiter in my b26
Any fighter should win this fight. The fights you win doing it are not testimony to your skill, they are testimony to the lack of skill on the part of your opponent.
While wing loading isn't everything, it is a crude measure and the A-26's wing loading is very high.
Didn't the engine nacelles give it poor visibility? Iirc wasnt it a pig to fly?
I don't know about it being a pig to fly, but yes, the engine nacelles to block the visibility to the sides. That is, if I understand correctly, the reason it was rejected for service in the Pacific Theater in favor of keeping the A-20s in service.
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Any fighter should win this fight. The fights you win doing it are not testimony to your skill, they are testimony to the lack of skill on the part of your opponent.
While wing loading isn't everything, it is a crude measure and the A-26's wing loading is very high.
I don't know about it being a pig to fly, but yes, the engine nacelles to block the visibility to the sides. That is, if I understand correctly, the reason it was rejected for service in the Pacific Theater in favor of keeping the A-20s in service.
2 of them were rated top 20. It's not lack of skill on their part. had I been some guy that flies that a20, you wouldnt question skill. but that's life. btw it helps that i can type 80 wpm, so i can switch from gunner position to pilot back to gunner faster than you can turn.
semp
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Didn't the engine nacelles give it poor visibility? Iirc wasnt it a pig to fly?
While wing loading isn't everything, it is a crude measure and the A-26's wing loading is very high.
I don't know about it being a pig to fly, but yes, the engine nacelles to block the visibility to the sides. That is, if I understand correctly, the reason it was rejected for service in the Pacific Theater in favor of keeping the A-20s in service.
That was a large part of it. The A-26's were very poorly suited to the mission profiles being flown in the Pacific, the 3rd Bomb Group was asked to fly some combat missions and report back on the performance of the new plane and they didn't have a lot of good things to say about it.
Henebry talks about it in his book.
The low keyed missions did give us the opportunity to focus on the plane. Although we agree the flying characteristics of the plane were excellent - good range, good bomb load, good engines - our overall reactions as low level bomber pilots were negative.
The cockpit arrangements were inefficient. Pilot visibility was hampered, making the minimum altitude formation flying so necessary to our bombing and strafing attacks awkward. Both engines extended far forward of the pilots position, at a level with his line of sight to the left, to the right, and to the rear. It was like flying in a slit trench. Couldn't see down; couldn't see level. All you could see was up. That put pilots flying formation witha lead flying minimum altitude hanging on coconut trees or ship masts, or riding up his tail.
Inside a very wide cockpit, too wide for a single pilot airplane, was the seat and one control column placed on the left side, further disabling the pilot's right visibility, the bomb bay doors were activated by a lever located forward to the right of the pilot seat forcing him to bend down and forward to each it, again inhibiting his ability to see.
In all his pilots composed a list of 32 grievances which he took all the way up to General Kenney, who told him to take them straight to the Pentagon. He was told, "You go on home and tell them why we don't need it or want it! We'll stay with our B-25's, A-20's, and B-24's."
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Semp the B26 is nowhere near competitive with any fighter in the set, including the worse turners. I'd be surprised if even the 262 or 190A8 can't do more than equal the 26's turns not just on paper but in practice, i.e. oblique sustained.
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Semp the B26 is nowhere near competitive with any fighter in the set, including the worse turners. I'd be surprised if even the 262 or 190A8 can't do more than equal the 26's turns not just on paper but in practice, i.e. oblique sustained.
It's not the turning, it's the gunners that will kill you, like i said while you are busy trying to get a shot, i am already shooting at you from any angle you are coming at me. like I said, i can type fast and sure as heck can switch from gunner to pilot and back faster than you can say, he cheated :).
semp
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It's not the turning, it's the gunners that will kill you, like i said while you are busy trying to get a shot, i am already shooting at you from any angle you are coming at me. like I said, i can type fast and sure as heck can switch from gunner to pilot and back faster than you can say, he cheated :).
semp
Which has precisely nothing to do with your earlier claim of turn fighting top 20 fighter drivers in AH. The A-26 does not have the tools to do what you describe.
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Which has precisely nothing to do with your earlier claim of turn fighting top 20 fighter drivers in AH. The A-26 does not have the tools to do what you describe.
we'll see when it gets here. I never said i could out turn all fighters, some i can and use the main gun, for those that i cant, I'll use the gunner positions. either way it's turn fighting.
semp
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Which has precisely nothing to do with your earlier claim of turn fighting top 20 fighter drivers in AH. The A-26 does not have the tools to do what you describe.
tell that to Cobia :devil
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tell that to Cobia :devil
My position remains unchanged. Somebody who emerges victorious from a dogfight in a B-26 against any fighter is demonstrating their opponent's lack of skill, not their own skill.
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Why not let them have the A-26? You get to repeatedly shoot them out of the sky when they try to fly it like a fighter. :devil
It may have been back in AW, with its quirky flight models, but I still fondly remember the one time I managed to suck a P-51 driver down into a turnfight against my A-26 and beat him after I got him to blow off all his E...
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It may have been back in AW, with its quirky flight models, but I still fondly remember the one time I managed to suck a P-51 driver down into a turnfight against my A-26 and beat him after I got him to blow off all his E...
When it gets added to AH I would not recommend trying that if you wanted to keep your perk plane from being eaten alive by the P-51.
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I got an f4u a 109, and roped a p38 with a b26, all good sticks. pony better bnz.
semp
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I got an f4u a 109, and roped a p38 with a b26, all good sticks. pony better bnz.
semp
Only in Fantasyland. With any sort of equal pilots the P-51 wins 95+ out of 100 fights.
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Only in Fantasyland. With any sort of equal pilots the P-51 wins 95+ out of 100 fights.
HEY !!! don't be messing with semp! He's got a POINT 5 K/D in the B26 over the last 3 months he certainly knows what he's talking about !!
Kidding aside, people like Cobia will get get great numbers of kills in it due to how they already fly A20's against the cream of the "dweeb" stock we have flying in the MAs these days. Against a skilled player no it won't be the animal it was in AW, but against the players we have today, I think it might do well.
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Kidding aside, people like Cobia will get get great numbers of kills in it due to how they already fly A20's against the cream of the "dweeb" stock we have flying in the MAs these days. Against a skilled player no it won't be the animal it was in AW, but against the players we have today, I think it might do well.
Based on the numbers I have seen, the only things the A-26 has over the A-20G in terms of air-to-air combat is a slight edge in speed and significantly improved firepower. The A-20G will be far, far more maneuverable and, I think, a much more effective air-to-air platform.
Truth be told, I am kinda starting to want the A-26 added just so one side of this argument can eat crow.
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I used to routinely fly the a26 as a fighter in aw3. I'd be interested to see what I could do with one in here. So far I've been using the A20 instead :)
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Based on the numbers I have seen, the only things the A-26 has over the A-20G in terms of air-to-air combat is a slight edge in speed and significantly improved firepower. The A-20G will be far, far more maneuverable and, I think, a much more effective air-to-air platform.
Truth be told, I am kinda starting to want the A-26 added just so one side of this argument can eat crow.
Well that was always the trick in AW with the A26 much like the A20 here. You don't fly it at it's top speed. There is a sweet spot that it maneuvers well with out shedding parts.
Again, the average crew wouldn't do well with it much like the A20 we have, but those that spend a lot of time in it will do well. Look at Cobia score, he's about 3 to 1 K/D, as apposed to semps .5 to 1 K/D. Skilled vs average
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Well that was always the trick in AW with the A26 much like the A20 here. You don't fly it at it's top speed. There is a sweet spot that it maneuvers well with out shedding parts.
Again, the average crew wouldn't do well with it much like the A20 we have, but those that spend a lot of time in it will do well. Look at Cobia score, he's about 3 to 1 K/D, as apposed to semps .5 to 1 K/D. Skilled vs average
you are truly a dork (meant for karnak), you are a dork for a totally different reason j/k. I dont use the b26 to turnfight on a regular basis, i use it for what it's here, to bomb. I have perhaps 1 or 2 flights this month. so your comparison of stats between me and cobia's use of the a20 is way off.
by the way look at this film, another example of things that cannot be done by an airplane based on the current code :rofl. (we really need sarcasm font ).
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,311571.0.html
this film should be mandatory for people that keep on saying such and such cannot be done in whatever airplane.
semp
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