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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Yarbles on April 20, 2011, 10:33:54 AM
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I have heard this mentioned (well in my head anyway) a few times at least recently :uhoh
Is this true ?
If so why?
And what can we do about it ?
I don't want the fun to end :cry :cry :cry
Appologies if this has been done recently I have a pathological fear of the search engine.
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Back in my day we had to walk 15 miles to our Spitfires, through the snow and ice! :old:
And the enemy pilots always saluted us and never answered back on 200 :old:
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I have heard this mentioned (well in my head anyway) a few times at least recently :uhoh
Is this true ?
IMO yes
If so why?
The forums are killing it IMO
And what can we do about it ?
Stop the drama, but that won't happen..
I don't want the fun to end :cry :cry :cry
Appologies if this has been done recently I have a pathological fear of the search engine.
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Most of the players never read the forum and if something's posted on the forum it's because it's reflected from the MA.
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Most of the players never read the forum and if something's posted on the forum it's because it's reflected from the MA.
But most of us here go back to the MA at some point ;)
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MELODRAMATIC.
Let me add the forum drama that is so decried I doubt has enough bearing to be considered a reason for people to leave the game. Arena Caps, Economy, Graphics, Maps, Models have more to do with decline(if it is even in decline).
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MELODRAMATIC.
All right, if thats your attitude forget it, and I wont even bother to post anymore about anything ever again :lol
Or perhaps HTC could pay us a bonus for each new person we bring in :headscratch:
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All right if thats your attitude forget, it and I wont even bother to post anymore about anything ever again :D
That was more towards ace than you.
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MELODRAMATIC.
Let me add the forum drama that is so decried I doubt has enough bearing to be considered a reason for people to leave the game. Arena Caps, Economy, Graphics, Maps, Models have more to do with decline(if it is even in decline).
This is spot on.
Of course, if you children can't mend your feelings after a little internet scuffle....
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That was more towards ace than you.
Just being silly.
Anyway ACE is just a posser nowadays who doesn't really play anymore but likes hanging around with the cool forumn flies :cheers:
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MELODRAMATIC.
Let me add the forum drama that is so decried I doubt has enough bearing to be considered a reason for people to leave the game. Arena Caps, Economy, Graphics, Maps, Models have more to do with decline(if it is even in decline).
Interesting
None of those things bother me but I see allot of people complaining about them but then I thought they allways did.
I am a UK player and miss the real peak time action when the whole thing is under most pressure though.
Does anyone think the events like FSO play a big part in the games attraction in general?
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I have heard this mentioned (well in my head anyway) a few times at least recently :
Decline is an ugly word... and very much up to interpretation.
Number of players? Number of subscribers? Or just gameplay and game culture? (I have read "this game really went downhill" so often over the course of ~11 years that I'm amazed it's still around ;) )
Does anyone think the events like FSO play a big part in the games attraction in general?
Yes, absolutely.
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Sadly the BBS is filled with alot of people who do not actually play the game. I have no problem with these folks reading the BBS, but if they do not play the game, then I wish they would keep their oppions to themselves.
Helm ...out
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i havent been playing long,but i have noticed that less people are on during titanic teusday than a year ago..i remember seeing 650-750 peak last winter,this winter 500-600. why? i have many complaints in MA about arena caps. a guy cant get in to an arena to join his squad,or gets discoed and cant get back in etc when its not titanic teus day ofcourse.
the other complaint i keep seeing is the maps. there are a couple of scenario maps that i saw last year in fso that i now see in MA off hours, that get alot of"i hate this map" or"lets let them win it to change to new map". otherwise HITECH keeps improving the game play and available rides.
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Yes, absolutely.
Is that for you though or for the whole community or at least a substantial part of it.
I say that as here is the germ of an idea.
Combat tour is dead and buried but we still have a kind of thriving HTC + Volunteers i.e. our CM's who run events etc. Perhaps this is where future investment should go. What works well now is HTC provides the sandpit and some toys and then we get on with it. Making it more easy for the subscribers to run their own events than it is now or giveing them more control might be the way forward. I looked at being a CM bt thought way too much work but I would happily maintain an established event like B of B from a menu.
The point is make it easier for more people to get involved and you have a stock of free volunteers enjoying themselves and increasing choice.
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The other idea I have I got from I racing which is the whole working on the next thing aspect. If people could achieve permenant recognition or be enabled to use other elements of the game that they have to achieve it would create more motivation. Give people who want it a track to run down by linking events etc and give Aces acces to better planes or command of squads within scenarios based on performance in other events a track record so to speak. Leave the MA as it is but build other elements around it so the Ma is something people can come back to.
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In decline? How could this possibly be? No the game is not in decline, with every update something new is added and improvements are made. Personally, I find such questions to be a bit disrespectful of the hard work and endeavor that the HTC team obviously and unarguably puts into improving the GAME.
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Is that for you though or for the whole community or at least a substantial part of it.
I do not play any special events at all, but they are important for the game. They increase overall attraction by providing a more "historic" and team/mission centered gameplay. There is quite a number of players seeing the MA just as a kind of training place for FSO or scenarios.
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In decline? How could this possibly be? No the game is not in decline, with every update something new is added and improvements are made. Personally, I find such questions to be a bit disrespectful of the hard work and endeavor that the HTC team obviously and unarguably puts into improving the GAME.
No I think you misunderstand as decline would suggest deteriation. What I meant was and remember I am drawing on what others have said are player numbers diminishing which is what I took others to mean. I do appologise if I am not making myself clear.
TBH I have no view on whether the HTC guys work hard or not and am not in love with the idea of hard work anyway. To me getting the job done efficiently is what matters and if good value for money can be delivered from 10 minutes work a day good luck :aok
At the risk of incrring a price hike I find the whole thing excellent value for money but that may not be the concensus unfortunately.
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Interesting
Does anyone think the events like FSO play a big part in the games attraction in general?
Of course
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The FSO's often land hundred of players that do not play in the MA's. I bet the number of players that do no play in the MA's but play in the multitudes of scenarios is far greater than most realize.
I think players come and go based on how they keep things in perspective. If players watch for and are entertained by the "flash-bang" effect of a game then the staying power will likely be short. If players shy away from the Rambo FPS aspect and take into consideration the simulation side of things, open their minds to the broad depths of AH all the different things a player can do, then the staying power will be longer.
I'm starting my 4th year and the scope of the game has changed enough and is still broad enough for me to keep paying $15 a month for the enjoyement and comraderie I receive from playing AH. Hopefully, with all the updates in existing aircraft and new aircraft and gv's being added, I hope to see more players come back that left for whatever reason. I have to believe that the upcoming changes to the gv game will bring some tankers over to the AH side from WoT. Who knows.
The things that are starting to grind on my nerves, for lack of better terms, are the lack of snow and desert maps (there are multiple beautiful snow and desert maps available for scenarios so why can they be brought over for MA use like that wretched Mindanao map???), and some small rinky dink detail stuff on some of the aircraft and gv's regarding load outs, etc. The white flag thing still bugs the **** out of me, too. But, I dont letthat get in the way of flying Mossi or Tiffy attack missions, search and destroy missions while in a Panther, or "sprint" bomb runs in a Boston.
Bottom line is, HTC will keep going as long as they have the heart to stomach the demands of the business and as long as they are making a PROFIT.
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maybe if you started <<S>> guys who best you?....even tho they are new..last night vDALLAS says who here has less then 3 months experence when we answer truthfully he goes to another arena.. than kinda bull cant be helping
TheDude
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maybe if you started <<S>> guys who best you?....even tho they are new..last night vDALLAS says who here has less then 3 months experence when we answer truthfully he goes to another arena.. than kinda bull cant be helping
TheDude
And that suprises you? The comunity on AH has quite a few people that have no idea how to interact socially. I believe most of them are this guy (http://images.wikia.com/southpark/images/0/05/Griefer.png)
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maybe if you started <<S>> guys who best you?....even tho they are new..last night vDALLAS says who here has less then 3 months experence when we answer truthfully he goes to another arena.. than kinda bull cant be helping
TheDude
One of a number that prove overall gaming culture/behavour is the only thing in Aces High on the decline..
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And that suprises you? The comunity on AH has quite a few people that have no idea how to interact socially. I believe most of them are this guy (http://images.wikia.com/southpark/images/0/05/Griefer.png)
:rofl "How do you kill, that which has no life!?" :rofl
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Game is going great.
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The game has always been top notch, and will continue to get better. The only big change I see is squadrons becoming bigger which kills diversity in gameplay. The way the players play the game is the only thing that can kill it.
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Folks, there is an entire world out there beyond the cyber heroism and toking of hippie lettuce while flying.
There is a world wide recession. People tend to cut out anything in the budget that they can't quantify or see as a necessity in a recession. Millions are unemployed.
When the recession ends, people will have more cash for leisure things than they do when in complete penny pinching mode.
IT'S THE ECONOMY.
The game is just fine.
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The game is great but the interaction between players is has gotten tiresome. I used to think 200 was a good distractor while climbing to alt but the absolute garbage and idiocy seen on 200 lately is laughable.
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The only poison I have ever seen in this game is the channel 200 crappola otherwise to answer your question simply:
(http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm134/waystin2/nope_logo2.gif)
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To put it simply:
(http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm134/waystin2/nope_logo2.gif)
Speak of the Devil..I keed I keed
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The game is great but the interaction between players is has gotten tiresome.
Been like this for years. A whole generation of players came into the game around 2004-2006 that believed the more smack you talked on open channels the higher you were valued as a integral part of the game.
It is viewed today as an important part of the skill set needed to be respected. You can always tell when a LW squad comes into MW by the crap they spew on open channels. They stick out like sore thumbs in other predictable ways too.
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Been like this for years. A whole generation of players came into the game around 2004-2006 that believed the more smack you talked on open channels the higher you were valued as a integral part of the game.
It is viewed today as an important part of the skill set needed to be respected. You can always tell when a LW squad comes into MW by the crap they spew on open channels. They stick out like sore thumbs in other predictable ways too.
Yeager dresses funny :D
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Been like this for years. A whole generation of players came into the game around 2004-2006 that believed the more smack you talked on open channels the higher you were valued as a integral part of the game.
It is viewed today as an important part of the skill set needed to be respected. You can always tell when a LW squad comes into MW by the crap they spew on open channels. They stick out like sore thumbs in other predictable ways too.
I blame society
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Or perhaps HTC could pay us a bonus for each new person we bring in :headscratch:
They do, kinda....
Aces High Affilates Program (http://www.hitechcreations.com/HiTech-Creations/Affiliates/affiliate-why-art.html)
wrongway
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So yours and others lack of thick skin is the reason the game is supposedly in decline? Good grief, grow a pair.
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So yours and others lack of thick skin is the reason the game is supposedly in decline? Good grief, grow a pair.
show some respect for once in your life.
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Been like this for years. A whole generation of players came into the game around 2004-2006 that believed the more smack you talked on open channels the higher you were valued as a integral part of the game.
It is viewed today as an important part of the skill set needed to be respected. You can always tell when a LW squad comes into MW by the crap they spew on open channels. They stick out like sore thumbs in other predictable ways too.
The biggest crap talkers in the MW seem to come from the regulars in there, guys like cotton and other members of the Furious Furries.
ack-ack
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The biggest crap talkers in the MW seem to come from the regulars in there, guys like cotton and other members of the Furious Furries.
ack-ack
And when you give it back to them they mass report you. Yep, classy bunch.
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Guess I forgot about those guys. I always considered that particular bunch pretty benign anyway.
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The biggest crap talkers in the MW seem to come from the regulars in there, guys like cotton and other members of the Furious Furries.
ack-ack
:rofl
+1
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Like someone said the BBS is fairly irrelevant but lets not let that stop us from having an abbusive argument in the bbs about how abussive arguments in the bbs are ruining the game.
If it was me I would have an age limit of old enough to know better. However the inrternet is renowned for people having about the same level of respect and manners in relation to their fellow users as they show when driving their car as in not allot of either. Its about the same in my experience on 200. People get killed they cry whinge and throw out abusse but the BBS and 200 are volunntary anyone who choses to read and then gets upsett really should know better even kids should work this out fairly quickly.
Most convincing thing I have heard so far is money is tight other things being equal that will have an effect.
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Is this true ?
No.
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Game seems fine to me. I've been playing a long time and I still have fun when I get a chance to log on.
As for the smack talkers. That's as old as the online flight sim has been around. Those who stick around long enough grow out of it. It goes with thinking being a superstar cartoon pilot means something :)
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I think it's the gamers themselves and how they choose to game that is in decline.
The game itself is fine.
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Or perhaps HTC could pay us a bonus for each new person we bring in :headscratch:
There is a program HTC has that you can sign up for where they do something like this. I always decline, even though I run several different websites lol.
Too lazy to read all of the stuff. (Yet I come on here and read 22 pages of a thread :uhoh )
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EDIT: Well crap..I got beat to it haha!
They do, kinda....
Aces High Affilates Program (http://www.hitechcreations.com/HiTech-Creations/Affiliates/affiliate-why-art.html)
wrongway
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show some respect for once in your life.
Given where deserved, as always.
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Given where deserved, as always.
:neener:
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:rock
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I would like to see 200 completely disallowed. That would improve gameplay in my opinion.
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I would like to see 200 completely disallowed. That would improve gameplay in my opinion.
How do you figure, you have to tune to it, it's not by default.
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moths to a light, get rid of the light my friend.
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moths to a light, get rid of the light my friend.
Nah.
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moths to a light, get rid of the light my friend.
Or just turn it off. I don't suppose you throw out your household lamps every night, correct?
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Or just turn it off. I don't suppose you throw out your household lamps every night, correct?
Uh you mean there's some other way to get rid of that annoying light at night?
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yep , shut monitor off :lol
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moths to a light, get rid of the light my friend.
I am secretly of the opinion that about 75% of the population are idiots, doh :o. Thats nearly half :O. You only have to look at what people watch on television.
Legalise drugs and make 200 free to all :old:
Actually I don't think 200 is a net benefit to the community even if it does make the game more interesting for some but lets keep it in the interests of freedom of choice and laughing at the apes. When you find your having an argument on 200 its time to go outside and play.
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I have found that the better you get at playing, the more everyone else seems like dweebs. In hindsite, I used to be an epic dweeb, I have changed (perhaps), the game has not. Perhaps some of your opinion is based off a shift in your perspective on game play. If you search deep enough I have some threads complimenting the HO, defending it even. Then again, that is all I knew. I despise the HO guys now.....
After a bit of mentoring and assistance from some of the game luminaries. I found learning ACM and actually trying to get on a guys six was a bit more fun and challenging than getting the quick easy kill. Until most guys figure this bit out, they will play as some of others perceive, to be dweebery.
The second piece to this is the personas people assume playing this game. If they were respectful 90% of the time, there would be little drama, BBs madness, or accusations of foul play. Since most can conceal their true identity and form, they inflate their egos based off of skill in a game. Again, a pit I have fallen into and climbed out of. Once I quit caring to be competetive, man this game got fun again.
So, I dont think the game has changed at all, just the more years you get playing it alters your perspective on other players.
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I would like to see 200 completely disallowed. That would improve gameplay in my opinion.
Just don't tune to it. Only you can allow it.
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It's because the Kraken went missing in the conversion to version 2. Save the Kraken, save the (virtual) world!
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Folks, there is an entire world out there beyond the cyber heroism and toking of hippie lettuce while flying.
There is a world wide recession. People tend to cut out anything in the budget that they can't quantify or see as a necessity in a recession. Millions are unemployed.
When the recession ends, people will have more cash for leisure things than they do when in complete penny pinching mode.
IT'S THE ECONOMY.
The game is just fine.
this is the only reason why I don't play.. I call my squaddys on the phone and talk about how cool the sky looked on my drive home. And how fun it would be to be up there in my 109. Right now I go to work (thankfully) just to make enough to get home and back to work. When befor I could take days off just to sit around and play.
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the only reason i log in at night is to see the 200 talk. most of the time is more interesting than the fights itself. as for the game being in decline, well i wish threads like this were in decline, but now a days there seems to be one up every day.
semp
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HiTech ruined the Sim yrs ago.. and yes people are leaving in Droves and the old ones that come back do not stay long.. beacuse nothing has changed. except the eye candy.
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HiTech ruined the Sim yrs ago.. and yes people are leaving in Droves and the old ones that come back do not stay long.. beacuse nothing has changed. except the eye candy.
How did he ruin the sim yrs ago if nothing has changed? Kind of hard to ruin something if you don't change it. Just goes to show that you are talking out of your ass.
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How did he ruin the sim yrs ago if nothing has changed? Kind of hard to ruin something if you don't change it. Just goes to show that you are talking out of your ass.
He ruined it with the seperate arenas and arena cap.. and it is to easy to change sides..
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What about the old ones who stay?
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ya if I was suppose to leave I wish some one would have told me!
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ya if I was suppose to leave I wish some one would have told me!
Isn't that the truth. I guess we've gotten too old Fugi. We just suffer now in Aces High....and LIKE IT! :)
Personally I fly in a heavy snowstorm, uphill both ways, in a Val.
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Id say its slowly improving. Although I dont use the "game" part much lately, its certainly not in decline. As long as there is one other pilot out there willing to fight, the game is cool with me.
Out of all the wishlist stuff and dreams that have been posted, the one thing that I think would be great to add is a perk plane factory to attack/defend. I think it would add alot to the game.
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Isn't that the truth. I guess we've gotten too old Fugi. We just suffer now in Aces High....and LIKE IT! :)
Personally I fly in a heavy snowstorm, uphill both ways, in a Val.
Maybe they told us, but after listening to those twins allisons for so long we just couldn't hear them ! :P
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See Rules #4, #6
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I Remember one day Fighter ace had just introduced the jets it was badass IMO , next thing ya know "Blip" No more Fighter ace
and I don't want to hear how different Aces High this is than Fighter Ace cause that's a crock.
IMO if the Veteran Pilots don't start welcoming Noobs AH will soon end up like FA , Nada zilch gone ,
Then all you poor SOB will be on WARBIRDS lmao
"All of the above of course is IMO"
Karma
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All kinds of resources in AH and all kinds of folks willing to help. How would you like to be welcomed?
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How would you like to be welcomed?
With a baby sitter so I actually have enough energy to do some of my hobbies, instead of waiting until after they have gone to bed.
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No No No not me , Ive been in the Sim world for long time , i meant Noobs period , I wasn't referring to me in any shape or form.
Also not referring to the staff of AH you guys are more than helpful.
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My observation, things that frustrate:
1. Arena caps
2. ENY
3. Maps
4. Ground Vehicles ?
I think arena caps has been chewed over. Open them up altogether or allow for squad mates to jump into an arena even if its full. Nothing worse then have numerous squadies in an arena, talking on the TS and I'm chasing a brewer at 20k.
I understand eny but it is broken. How many times have I been on a base that is getting horded, only to find we can only up in biplanes. I know, I know but eny is very frustrating.
Some maps just suck. I don't have them memorized but the big land one in the shape of a "y" is the worst. Others may love it but...
Finally, I know many love ground vehicles but this is a flight game. There are times when I can't even find seagulls to shoot out and 20 guys are slugging it out in tanks. Maybe cap the number of ground vehicles. Ironic that this might drive them from the game so maybe not the best idea.
Bonus coverage, too many choices. In marketing there is much research that when people are given too many choices they tend to walk away. Counterintuitive but something to consider. All these rides might actually be hurting the game. Maybe rotate in and out certain birds. How many Jugs do we need? F4Us? 109s? Consider it.
Boo
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PS Let me add that I agree with the economy having an impact. Over the past many months I have read of many leaving due to job loss, relocation, etc. This includes a couple in our squad.
Boo
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I Remember one day Fighter ace had just introduced the jets it was badass IMO , next thing ya know "Blip" No more Fighter ace
and I don't want to hear how different Aces High this is than Fighter Ace cause that's a crock.
IMO if the Veteran Pilots don't start welcoming Noobs AH will soon end up like FA , Nada zilch gone ,
Then all you poor SOB will be on WARBIRDS lmao
"All of the above of course is IMO"
Karma
I thought other games went belly up becase there was no investment.
This game seems to still get a flow of neww planes tanks etc.
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I thought other games went belly up becase there was no investment.
This game seems to still get a flow of neww planes tanks etc.
I seem to remember a couple of years ago when many players quit was because they lost their jobs. so 15 bucks a month dont seem like much, but then again, you also need internet provider, computer upgrades (average what you pay) and it all adds up to a good monthly bill. If I factor my upgrades (some are just upgrade just to upgrade) my true cost for ah is around 80 bucks a month. considering I only use the puter to pay bills and play ah. a lot of others mostly quit because, the either want to spend more time with their wife/school/gf or they went oversees to serve. not many quit because of the game, some did, but not many.
anyway it's getting tiresome of seeing this "the game is about to die" threads. they're kind of stupid since we dont have any info about who/how many quit or for whatever reason. the game will definitely be over the day some "big" company buys it. because then the big mouths will really turn it into a wow game.
I hate caps and some other stupid stuff like bushes flipping tanks, but overall i say and most will agree that HT is doing a pretty good job of keeping the game fun and the company in good shape.
so let this thread end till next week when somebody posts another "game is over" thread.
semp
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anyway it's getting tiresome of seeing this "the game is about to die" threads. they're kind of stupid since we dont have any info about who/how many quit or for whatever reason. the game will definitely be over the day some "big" company buys it. because then the big mouths will really turn it into a wow game.
semp
mmmmmm so what I picked up on was just hearsay :headscratch:
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My observation, things that frustrate:
1. Arena caps
2. ENY
3. Maps
4. Ground Vehicles ?
I think arena caps has been chewed over. Open them up altogether or allow for squad mates to jump into an arena even if its full. Nothing worse then have numerous squadies in an arena, talking on the TS and I'm chasing a brewer at 20k.
I understand eny but it is broken. How many times have I been on a base that is getting horded, only to find we can only up in biplanes. I know, I know but eny is very frustrating.
Some maps just suck. I don't have them memorized but the big land one in the shape of a "y" is the worst. Others may love it but...
Finally, I know many love ground vehicles but this is a flight game. There are times when I can't even find seagulls to shoot out and 20 guys are slugging it out in tanks. Maybe cap the number of ground vehicles. Ironic that this might drive them from the game so maybe not the best idea.
Bonus coverage, too many choices. In marketing there is much research that when people are given too many choices they tend to walk away. Counterintuitive but something to consider. All these rides might actually be hurting the game. Maybe rotate in and out certain birds. How many Jugs do we need? F4Us? 109s? Consider it.
Boo
1. Squad night in the less populated arena, on Tuesdays?
2. Switch sides. Learn to fly something other than P-51/LA7/SpitXVI?
3. Maps? Get tired of living in the same place often? I'll never get this one.
4. GVs?? Too many? Really?
Seems you want everyone to play to make you happy.
:cry
wrongway
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3. Maps? Get tired of living in the same place often? I'll never get this one.
Imo, if you don't understand why maps are important, you are a very one dimensional player. Don't take that as an insult, there is nothing wrong with that.
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I understand that some maps generate more fights than others as well as generating different types of fights. No one map is going to please everyone, so it up to the player to make his own fun out of what the map has.
From what Ic
Can see complaining about the maps doesn't make them any more fun. Maybe it's time to try something else for fun ;)
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mmmmmm so what I picked up on was just hearsay :headscratch:
yup it is, if you are just repeating it, it's just hearsay. or you can produce the names of the thousands of people that have quit the game due to it going into the dumps.
semp
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What does ENY do? I've never noticed. (In other words, fly something different, like a 109)
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You have earned the tagline reading achievement :lol
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People who :cry about ENY are pathetic pilots. My K/D SUCKS, but you don't see me crying about not being able to get into a super uber duper plane.
Either all those girls can learn to become a more rounded (and therefore; better,) pile-it or they can go play somewhere else. It keeps the playing field fair. There's 2 arenas. Tired of the ENY and lack the ability to adapt and overcome your situation, go to the other ****** arena.
Economy is playing a roll as well as everyone giving the noobs a hard time. Why? Because the modern gamers of today are sheltered brats, but you need to hold on to them while they come in. If you insult every one of them every time they come on, they don't just leave, they spread word about how ignorant of a community we seem to be.
There.
(I just compiled what I see as the more important of things)