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Title: 2nd P47 video...
Post by: Lepape2 on April 22, 2011, 05:30:14 PM
Just doing a little promotion if no one minds...
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,311571.msg4034123.html#msg4034123 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,311571.msg4034123.html#msg4034123)

Title: Re: 2nd P47 video...
Post by: M0nkey_Man on April 22, 2011, 05:34:33 PM
please teach me in the art of the jug :aok
Title: Re: 2nd P47 video...
Post by: Devil 505 on April 22, 2011, 06:32:54 PM
please teach me in the art of the jug :aok

Seems the only way to fly a jug like that is to be very strong with the Force.  :salute
Title: Re: 2nd P47 video...
Post by: oakranger on April 23, 2011, 12:25:07 AM
I sure can take out any GVs even under attack by other ACs and/or flack.  But them move i just can not preformed.  Is it only the "M" that you can do most of the ACM? 
Title: Re: 2nd P47 video...
Post by: MarineUS on April 23, 2011, 12:59:51 AM
(http://i750.photobucket.com/albums/xx147/MarineUS/Smileys/KingSmiley.gif)
Title: Re: 2nd P47 video...
Post by: 321BAR on April 23, 2011, 08:11:15 AM
I sure can take out any GVs even under attack by other ACs and/or flack.  But them move i just can not preformed.  Is it only the "M" that you can do most of the ACM? 
I took out vink in a 109K4 earlier this week on the deck in the D11 trying moves like in his videos. you definitely can do it in any jug, you just need the alt, E, and balls to do it.

Lepape, your hunt or prey video is what inspired me to fly my P51s and La's like i do in the game now :aok <S>
Title: Re: 2nd P47 video...
Post by: pipz on April 23, 2011, 08:24:46 AM
Neat stuff. Very nicely done video  :aok
Title: Re: 2nd P47 video...
Post by: Debrody on April 23, 2011, 08:58:58 AM
I took out vink in a 109K4 earlier this week on the deck in the D11 trying moves like in his videos. you definitely can do it in any jug, you just need the alt, E, and balls to do it.
Its possible, i tryed the d11 in the da, was a lot of fun against a zeek, as long as i had altitude to recover easily. Was trying the same in the d25 later, its way more difficult (for me).
I still cant control the post-stall moves nearly as well as Lepape can.
Title: Re: 2nd P47 video...
Post by: Lepape2 on April 23, 2011, 11:17:45 AM
Just remember that you still have a bit of elevator control during the stall. Push down, nose goes left, pull up, nose goes right and the manoeuver will last longer but recovery gets harder. If you have flown a bit of WWI birds, you might know what I'm talking about. In the TA with smoke on, external view and using the 20K high alt spawn: no better way to experiment on that.
Like Debrody said, any model of Jug will do as well as many other single engine fighters in this game. Off my head the next bests to do it in are the P40s, P51s, 109s, Zekes, Ki61, 190s... Havent really tried it on other rides.

Thanks for the replies so far everyone  :salute
Title: Re: 2nd P47 video...
Post by: 321BAR on April 23, 2011, 11:30:32 AM
Just remember that you still have a bit of elevator control during the stall. Push down, nose goes left, pull up, nose goes right and the manoeuver will last longer but recovery gets harder. If you have flown a bit of WWI birds, you might know what I'm talking about. In the TA with smoke on, external view and using the 20K high alt spawn: no better way to experiment on that.
Like Debrody said, any model of Jug will do as well as many other single engine fighters in this game. Off my head the next bests to do it in are the P40s, P51s, 109s, Zekes, Ki61, 190s... Havent really tried it on other rides.

Thanks for the replies so far everyone  :salute
and who says flat plates aren't possible? :aok saw you pull one in the video. nicely done pulling the candelaria off <S>
Title: Re: 2nd P47 video...
Post by: B4Buster on April 23, 2011, 12:19:50 PM
LOL, loved the credits at the end  :aok
Title: Re: 2nd P47 video...
Post by: oakranger on April 23, 2011, 04:52:15 PM
I took out vink in a 109K4 earlier this week on the deck in the D11 trying moves like in his videos. you definitely can do it in any jug, you just need the alt, E, and balls to do it.

Lepape, your hunt or prey video is what inspired me to fly my P51s and La's like i do in the game now :aok <S>

I would think that the D-25 and D-40 would be harder to do them. They are heavier, and acceleration weak.
Title: Re: 2nd P47 video...
Post by: Condor11 on April 23, 2011, 08:18:19 PM
  :noid

I'd killlll to learn the jug that well.....freaking animal man.


Condo
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Title: Re: 2nd P47 video...
Post by: prowl3r on April 24, 2011, 07:33:15 PM
and yall wonder y im always in a tank <S> 4 some great flyin
Title: Re: 2nd P47 video...
Post by: 321BAR on April 25, 2011, 06:04:38 AM
I would think that the D-25 and D-40 would be harder to do them. They are heavier, and acceleration weak.
but they have a higher top end. you cant do it all the time but in the right circumstances you can pull moves like those <S>
Title: Re: 2nd P47 video...
Post by: lulu on April 26, 2011, 01:54:29 PM
Hey great men,

Why don't You give detailed instructions to do that?

A simple order list pls


 :salute
Title: Re: 2nd P47 video...
Post by: TwoStep on April 26, 2011, 03:22:27 PM
Hey great men,

Why don't You give detailed instructions to do that?

A simple order list pls


 :salute


step 1- stall the Thunderbolt.

step 2- stall it some more. 

step 3- little bit more stalling. 

step 4- mash bottom rudder/roll, use throttle to have your prop help.

step 5- fall

step 6- regain control.

step 7- GOTO step 1.

In all seriousness- the general principle isn't very hard to accomplish.  It takes a lot of practice to stall a thunderbolt out, and at the very edge induce a yaw effect which is continued by feeding it elevator, and roll being handled by throttle gyrations for a snap shot though.

Best thing to do is hop off line, and try these reversals on the drones.  Eventually, you will get to a point where you can control the plane in a post-stall behavior. 

Title: Re: 2nd P47 video...
Post by: Chilli on April 26, 2011, 03:48:54 PM
Okay, as a JUG enthusiast, I am begging for a Training Arena session for this type of thing.  I appreciate what 2step did here, with the text steps.  You got me  :headscratch: with the mash rudder/ roll though.  That sort of thing is much better shown in a training session, and film.....

 :joystick:  :airplane:  :old:
I am pretty sure this is not the correct way to do it but what I have come up with so far (trial and error):

Extend flaps point nose vertical and hold vert position through stall (some forward joystick and right rudder required for me - wep on I believe).  On the edge of the stall snap, I push forward and force the right wing down (joystick forward and to the right) with the rudder positioned full right (I believe). 

^^^
This is what I need in terms of detail, and loads of practice.  Someone please correct me on what I am doing above.  I will try and do an ahf film and camera shot of what I am talking about.

Lepape2, you sir have given me a whole new frame of mind in terms of what I pay $15 bucks for.   :salute
Title: Re: 2nd P47 video...
Post by: STEELE on April 26, 2011, 03:54:02 PM
I wanted to see how the fight against the Hog turned out  :cry
Title: Re: 2nd P47 video...
Post by: TwoStep on April 26, 2011, 04:32:45 PM
Extend flaps point nose vertical and hold vert position through stall (some forward joystick and right rudder required for me - wep on I believe).  On the edge of the stall snap, I push forward and force the right wing down (joystick forward and to the right) with the rudder positioned full right (I believe). 


Note first that these moves are for the fight that's gone on too long.  These aren't primary attack profiles of the Jug, but rather little "aces up the sleeve" in case you've been suckered into an angles fight with a better turning opponent.

In the process of a normal angles fight, you're fighting to get behind the opponent's 3-9 line, and your flaps have come out as a means to an end.

Now we've reached desperation time, and you've *got* to get a shot, or you're just gonna be somebody's lunch.

Killing any and all forward velocity by going straight up, you (with your flaps either half or full out) roll first to put the direction you wanna fall on that side's wingtip.

Typically, you want to put the wingtip a fair bit behind the opponent.   Enemy passing you, you put the bottom wingtip behind him, and push rudder to that direction.  Adjust throttle- if you're fighting torque, kill the power.  If you're going pro-torque, firewall it.

Eventually, gravity is gonna win, and your nose is gonna slip below the horizon- here's where you apply your elevator and roll inputs to feed the gravity monster a 7 ton treat and let gravity itself pull you towards your opponent, rather than trying to fly that circle. 

If you are wings perpendicular to the horizon, once your nose goes down, you can pivot the plane around it's axis by giving it some elevator, and once you get the angle you're looking for (lift vector right where you want it), simply increase the force and let gravity do the work.

Remember that once you're going downhill- tuck in your flaps and unload your a/c- maximum speed gained for every foot lost. 

It doesn't take a terrible amount of airspeed to throw the thunderbolt around in a tumble- keep in mind what the airflow is doing on each independent surface. 

Hope this all makes sense. 
Title: Re: 2nd P47 video...
Post by: Lepape2 on April 26, 2011, 07:44:38 PM
This should take care of the many questions...
(http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n150/lepape/P47-Tailspin.jpg)
Title: Re: 2nd P47 video...
Post by: MarineUS on April 26, 2011, 10:52:25 PM
I'll get this one day :P
Title: Re: 2nd P47 video...
Post by: oakranger on April 27, 2011, 12:58:59 AM
This should take care of the many questions...
(http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n150/lepape/P47-Tailspin.jpg)

Will have to try this.  So this will work in the D-25?  Also, how well can you do in a you vs 2 or more with these moves?
Title: Re: 2nd P47 video...
Post by: 321BAR on April 27, 2011, 06:39:34 AM
Will have to try this.  So this will work in the D-25?  Also, how well can you do in a you vs 2 or more with these moves?
i was in a 51 with a KI84, brewster, and niki on my six one day on the deck. lets just say the 84 didnt make it home and the niki got away cuz i had no ammo...  :t
then damn madda comes in, rolling scissors in his evil K4 and gets me :rofl

also oak, his instructions plus rudder can create a whole new list of moves. just practice different combos and you'll find some evil stuff :aok
Title: Re: 2nd P47 video...
Post by: lulu on April 27, 2011, 09:30:46 AM
Lepape2,

I appreciated the afford but why, why this hieroglyphic ?

What the rounded arrow is?

Rudder or roll?


 :salute
Title: Re: 2nd P47 video...
Post by: Chilli on April 27, 2011, 10:05:43 AM
lulu,

Did you ever consider it might be that thing  :joystick: most of us use to control our cartoon  :airplane: ?   :neener:

I had to take a second look, but maybe it's because I am from the Atari generation, and that is what joysticks used to look like, I got it right away. 

(http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070823162956/uncyclopedia/images/thumb/f/f7/AtariJoystick.png/180px-AtariJoystick.png)

Title: Re: 2nd P47 video...
Post by: FLS on April 27, 2011, 12:14:25 PM
Lulu it looks like it's the (twist) rudder direction.
Title: Re: 2nd P47 video...
Post by: oakranger on April 27, 2011, 03:28:43 PM
i was in a 51 with a KI84, brewster, and niki on my six one day on the deck. lets just say the 84 didnt make it home and the niki got away cuz i had no ammo...  :t
then damn madda comes in, rolling scissors in his evil K4 and gets me :rofl

also oak, his instructions plus rudder can create a whole new list of moves. just practice different combos and you'll find some evil stuff :aok

I have been researching some ACM in the D-25 long before Lepapa showed these video.  I just could not get the moves right.  Now that Lepapa shared on it, i think i know what i am doing wrong. 
Title: Re: 2nd P47 video...
Post by: lulu on April 27, 2011, 04:08:46 PM
TY FLS,

But I'm waiting for Lepape2 answer.

In the middle 1. --> 1.2 ---> 2, etc

Why 1.2?

 :salute
Title: Re: 2nd P47 video...
Post by: Lepape2 on April 27, 2011, 04:19:59 PM
TY FLS,

But I'm waiting for Lepape2 answer.

In the middle 1. --> 1.2 ---> 2, etc

Why 1.2?

 :salute

1.2 is an optional way to aquire more momentum for the main stall manoeuver.

EDIT: The transition from 1.2 to 2 is a bit more complicated than that... meaning that you push right rudder about half a second before pushing left ailerons and pull up as fast as you can.

EDIT2: If you guys keep up like this I'll be forced to make a gif animation with a parallel AH video  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: 2nd P47 video...
Post by: oakranger on April 27, 2011, 06:35:54 PM


EDIT2: If you guys keep up like this I'll be forced to make a gif animation with a parallel AH video  :rolleyes:

That may help some of us.
Title: Re: 2nd P47 video...
Post by: lulu on April 27, 2011, 06:50:13 PM
It seems a not possible manoeuver with rudder pedals.

Too fast.


And yes. Let's make whatsoever that can help.   :D


 :salute
Title: Re: 2nd P47 video...
Post by: Lepape2 on April 27, 2011, 08:22:51 PM
Okay then... just give me 8 days and I'll have time to do it. Nothing too fancy though
Title: Re: 2nd P47 video...
Post by: oakranger on April 27, 2011, 11:05:55 PM
Okay then... just give me 8 days and I'll have time to do it. Nothing too fancy though

I want to see flashes, glitter and bling with it.  Dam it!   :furious
Title: Re: 2nd P47 video...
Post by: M0nkey_Man on April 27, 2011, 11:22:17 PM
I want to see flashes, glitter and bling with it.  Dam it!   :furious
dont we all? lol