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Title: arena caps and ENY
Post by: Coronado on April 23, 2011, 06:56:14 PM
Please explain to me, in all your wisdom why you have an arena cap so i can't go in a certain arena, and force me to go into one where the ENY is soooo FN high, i can barely up a box kite.
Title: Re: arena caps and ENY
Post by: Karnak on April 23, 2011, 07:01:26 PM
Because when there were 800ish people in one arena it created a toxic environment and the subscription base stopped growing.  When there are too many people the chat buffer becomes useless as a communication tool.
Title: Re: arena caps and ENY
Post by: Rino on April 23, 2011, 07:03:19 PM
     Jump countries, problem solved.
Title: Re: arena caps and ENY
Post by: Yeager on April 23, 2011, 07:46:14 PM
Ours is not to question why.  Ours is but to do or die.
Title: Re: arena caps and ENY
Post by: MachFly on April 23, 2011, 08:05:52 PM
For the past 6 years I never had problems with arena caps, just wait 5min and they'll drop.

If you don't like the ENY go to the other arena, it will most likely be low. Yeah ENY sucks and I hate it, but would you really want to see La-7s and Spit16 when your outnumbered 10 to 1? Chose something with a high ENY to fly and you'll be good (or something that has a older variant that handles almost the same).
Title: Re: arena caps and ENY
Post by: Hoff on April 23, 2011, 09:14:45 PM
See rule #2
Title: Re: arena caps and ENY
Post by: MachFly on April 23, 2011, 09:19:22 PM
Rule #2
Title: Re: arena caps and ENY
Post by: Guppy35 on April 23, 2011, 09:20:52 PM
Rule #2
Title: Re: arena caps and ENY
Post by: Blooz on April 23, 2011, 09:40:33 PM
Rule #2
Title: Re: arena caps and ENY
Post by: Hoff on April 23, 2011, 10:20:18 PM
Rule #2
Title: Re: arena caps and ENY
Post by: bj229r on April 23, 2011, 10:36:07 PM
     Jump countries, problem solved.
Actually, problem made worse in this case. SE country on this map always gets ganged (as is the case now) 3 dar cons on entire nit/bish front, the rest of both countries are ganging rooks, who must defend with 17 eny planes. Jumping countries to get better plane with which to aggravate the gang? (For whatever reason, all the bish are in Blue last few days) Rooks have 88...Nits like 76, Bish like 45....and Bish are taking Rook bases.....mebbe zone population can figger into eny? The scenario would be workable but for having to fly D25's and A8's against spit 16's and Lgays and M's
Title: Re: arena caps and ENY
Post by: StokesAk on April 24, 2011, 10:11:22 AM
but would you really want to see La-7s and Spit16 when your outnumbered 10 to 1?

That happens to me almost everyday I fly.

IMO the ENY is used more to stop base rolling with low ENY highly destructive airplanes.
Title: Re: arena caps and ENY
Post by: TwinBoom on April 24, 2011, 10:11:33 AM
oh great another cap/eny thread

its a game adapt to it have fun or log off.......jeez
Title: Re: arena caps and ENY
Post by: grizz441 on April 24, 2011, 06:28:39 PM
oh great another cap/eny thread

its a game adapt to it have fun or log off.......jeez

Cap/eny threads are the lifeblood of the General Discussion tho.  Without them, this place would die.
Title: Re: arena caps and ENY
Post by: james on April 24, 2011, 07:16:57 PM
Its a catch 22 into a vicious circle mixed with some slanderous accusations and cut with a vicious ugly rumor or two. That is what sums up the ENY caps problem. It's a problem for some and not for others. This means the others will tell the some to go to another arena, switch sides, or fly the higher ENY plane.  :bolt:
Title: Re: arena caps and ENY
Post by: DREDIOCK on April 24, 2011, 07:40:46 PM
oh great another cap/eny thread

its a game adapt to it have fun or log off.......jeez

Always curious why if there is a thread people or a person doesnt like like . Why one would bother clicking to open, then posting in and thus contributing to the thread?

Seems to me that if one doesnt like the subject matter. It would go away sooner if they didnt post in it, as posting in it only assures that it remains on page 1.

Is there some irresistible force that suddenly takes over? "Must ..click.. open.. post. Must...post...in...thread. Cant...resist"

If someone doesnt like a thread. Nobody is forced to read or participate in it. So why bother?

Just move on and click on a thread you do like. If enough of people do this then the thread will go away all by itself. If it doesnt. then that must mean that there are enough people or is enough interest in a thread to keep it going.

Either way. Nobody is forced to read or participate in any thread. And its as simple as not opening it to keep from being annoyed by it.
Title: Re: arena caps and ENY
Post by: TwinBoom on April 24, 2011, 08:00:09 PM
Every other title is the same horse-crap
i poped in spoke my mind as did you now please troll else where
have a nice day bye bye now...................
Title: Re: arena caps and ENY
Post by: ROX on April 24, 2011, 08:02:17 PM
     Jump countries, problem solved.

Many people (myself included) fly a specific side for specific loyal reasons.

Problem NOT solved.

I will NEVER be a sidehopper.

All they have done is taken Orange and swapped it for Blue.  Taken one cesspool and exchanged it for another cesspool.  

Nice job guys.
Title: Re: arena caps and ENY
Post by: DREDIOCK on April 24, 2011, 08:05:17 PM
Every other title is the same horse-crap
i poped in spoke my mind as did you now please troll else where
have a nice day bye bye now...................

Im not trolling anything

The whining about whiners is as bad as the whiners themselves
Title: Re: arena caps and ENY
Post by: TwinBoom on April 24, 2011, 08:14:17 PM
Im not trolling anything

The whining about whiners is as bad as the whiners themselves


kinda like this whine?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZ5TajZYW6Y (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZ5TajZYW6Y)
Title: Re: arena caps and ENY
Post by: Bode on April 24, 2011, 08:49:45 PM
See rule #4

Title: Re: arena caps and ENY
Post by: DREDIOCK on April 24, 2011, 09:20:27 PM

kinda like this whine?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZ5TajZYW6Y (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZ5TajZYW6Y)

Noooo! Not THAT!!!

AHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! 
 (http://www.flamewarriors.net/forum/Smileys/new/boom.gif)
Title: Re: arena caps and ENY
Post by: ozrocker on April 25, 2011, 07:58:16 AM
oh great another cap/eny thread

its a game adapt to it have fun or log off.......jeez
QFT

                                                                                    <S> Oz
Title: Re: arena caps and ENY
Post by: gyrene81 on April 25, 2011, 08:48:10 AM
Many people (myself included) fly a specific side for specific loyal reasons.

Problem NOT solved.

I will NEVER be a sidehopper.

All they have done is taken Orange and swapped it for Blue.  Taken one cesspool and exchanged it for another cesspool.  

Nice job guys.
in a way i can empathize...don't like swapping sides myself but then, i rarely if ever fly anything less than 20eny most of the time...on the other hand if you don't like the eny situation you find yourself in and you are not willing to switch sides or jump to another arena, it's your problem, no one elses.
Title: Re: arena caps and ENY
Post by: Shuffler on April 25, 2011, 10:05:24 AM
Please explain to me, in all your wisdom why you have an arena cap so i can't go in a certain arena, and force me to go into one where the ENY is soooo FN high, i can barely up a box kite.

Use search on the boards. The answer is there. Your inability to fly is mostly self inflicted. Easily fixed by switching to the low number side where you'll also find quick action.
Title: Re: arena caps and ENY
Post by: bj229r on April 25, 2011, 01:19:15 PM
Use search on the boards. The answer is there. Your inability to fly is mostly self inflicted. Easily fixed by switching to the low number side where you'll also find quick action.
again, that approach usually works, but not in this case. On most of the old classic maps, the SE country gets ganged (some strange human nature thing....dunno) and Rooks have been in SE in Orange pac since Fri, the Bish are all in Blue...so the # in Orange are like 85 Rooks, 70-75 Nits, and maybe 45 Bish  and nearly EVERYONE from both sides are hitting the afore-mentioned SE country. Rooks are mildly outnumbered, but it's do-able, except that they are hit with mid-teens eny which makes it brutal. Switch countries? One could DO that, which would open up the possibility of flying ALONE on the nit-bish border  or else joining one of the countries that is alREADY ganging your team mates. No decent options, really, which is why I wonder what would be required to figure in zone population dispersal into eny calculations
Title: Re: arena caps and ENY
Post by: Shuffler on April 25, 2011, 02:35:00 PM
again, that approach usually works, but not in this case. On most of the old classic maps, the SE country gets ganged (some strange human nature thing....dunno) and Rooks have been in SE in Orange pac since Fri, the Bish are all in Blue...so the # in Orange are like 85 Rooks, 70-75 Nits, and maybe 45 Bish  and nearly EVERYONE from both sides are hitting the afore-mentioned SE country. Rooks are mildly outnumbered, but it's do-able, except that they are hit with mid-teens eny which makes it brutal. Switch countries? One could DO that, which would open up the possibility of flying ALONE on the nit-bish border  or else joining one of the countries that is alREADY ganging your team mates. No decent options, really, which is why I wonder what would be required to figure in zone population dispersal into eny calculations

You assume you'll be flying alone. Assume most anything to not change sides.

Make the step to improve it or end up sitting around waiting for others to do it.
Title: Re: arena caps and ENY
Post by: bj229r on April 25, 2011, 02:57:32 PM
You assume you'll be flying alone. Assume most anything to not change sides.

Make the step to improve it or end up sitting around waiting for others to do it.
I'm not opposed to changing sides, I fly Nit now and again (I draw the line at flying Bish;) I'll say it aGAIN, in this particular scenario, switching sides only exacerbates the situation. A decent sized squad switching could have an effect and force a change in gameplay, but alas, I don't have one of those :frown:
Title: Re: arena caps and ENY
Post by: Shuffler on April 25, 2011, 03:00:00 PM
I'm not opposed to changing sides, I fly Nit now and again (I draw the line at flying Bish;) I'll say it aGAIN, in this particular scenario, switching sides only exacerbates the situation. A decent sized squad switching could have an effect and force a change in gameplay, but alas, I don't have one of those :frown:

Ahhh big squad. Yup that can cause issues. But then that is part of being in a big squad.

The biggest problem is that no ideas that are any better have come along.
Title: Re: arena caps and ENY
Post by: Rino on April 25, 2011, 03:41:28 PM
Many people (myself included) fly a specific side for specific loyal reasons.

Problem NOT solved.

I will NEVER be a sidehopper.

All they have done is taken Orange and swapped it for Blue.  Taken one cesspool and exchanged it for another cesspool.  

Nice job guys.

     Well free yourself from the Landgrabber side and it will be much more relaxing for you.  On second thought, don't.
Pocket Fuhrers make me giggle.  :lol
Title: Re: arena caps and ENY
Post by: Shuffler on April 25, 2011, 03:42:49 PM
lol the cesspool will never change as long as some folks stay.
Title: Re: arena caps and ENY
Post by: The Fugitive on April 25, 2011, 04:14:27 PM
BJ, get 6-8 people together and launch a mission across the water. It will look like an HQ raid and will be ignored until you get close to HQ, instead you drop down and steal a base on the shoreline. Now you forced them to split their force, OR you just grab bases behind their lines.
Title: Re: arena caps and ENY
Post by: bj229r on April 25, 2011, 05:08:45 PM
Most effective thing would be that many guys joining the second country, hitting the third country, kind of machiavellian, but I only get about 90 minutes a night, and wouldn't be able to bask in the fruits of my labor. At any rate, the scenario in this thread isn't all that common
Title: Re: arena caps and ENY
Post by: Masherbrum on April 25, 2011, 05:16:18 PM
I completely agree Bj.   
Title: Re: arena caps and ENY
Post by: Oddball-CAF on April 27, 2011, 10:28:59 PM
Please explain to me, in all your wisdom why you have an arena cap so i can't go in a certain arena, and force me to go into one where the ENY is soooo FN high, i can barely up a box kite.

HTC apologists can break out the brass knuckles, Coronado, because I'm with you on both counts.
I've got no use whatsoever for the arena CAPS as I've made note of in the past.
  The ENY is another thing I've got an issue with, and it's even bigger than my beef with
arena CAPS.
  The ENY should be -localized-, set up for certain areas, and NOT arena wide as it currently is.
When I'm gettin' gang-banged with 262s, and Tempests and Doras and have to deal with 'em
in a Ki61, that's ridiculous and I ain't happy about it. The ENY is a joke and HTC needs
to address it.
  The arena CAPS get shrugged off because "our number show...." etc...Okay, I can deal
with that. I might not like it, but I can deal with it. But when I can't fly a decent kite against
larger number of enemy in a given area, I don't like it, and I'm NOT dealing with it well.
  Rant off. Fire away.  :cry
Title: Re: arena caps and ENY
Post by: Tk3997 on April 28, 2011, 02:12:43 AM
It can get aggravating at times, I was stuck trying to chase a 262 in a wildcat earlier tonight becasue the eny was 29 for us, but at the same time we did have like 75% of the other two nations combined population and were moving in groups so I can see that side too. We still managed to win the war even if we were stuck taking bases with P-38Gs, D-11s, TBM, and B-25s, but admittedly we got lucky to have I think two squads active and running large sweeps, if it had just been an "every man for himself" rabble type situation we'd probably have been torn to bits. Actually with that level of organization it was sort of fun, an interesting handicap, but that's the thing really if the larger team has it's crap together the eny system works . The greater numbers balance out the inferior aircraft, but as I think we all know that's pretty rare.  If you get stuck with an outrageous eny like that with a team with no real organization it tends to rather quickly degenerate into hair pulling frustration as you're blasted over and over by grossly superior aircraft.

I think the real solution would be a better arena locking system, the system MUST know that a given arena is grossly imbalanced why it can't it lock it ONLY for the guys that would be joining the most heavily populated nation? Or spit a prompt that says "you can join, but will be placed on the least populated team". Ideally such "balance joins" shouldn't count as a real team switch so after you log off and re-join again later if the balance is better you'd be put back on your old team automatically. Yes I know this would be "unfair" to people that are die hard for one nation, but you know seriously guys we all get the same planes and you don't have to read the chat, or listen to them talk if you don't want too. Really if having to fly with "the enemy" now and again, and as long as I'm not being forced to be locked out of my preferred nation for an extended period afterward, is what it takes to balance the teams so be it.
Title: Re: arena caps and ENY
Post by: Guppy35 on April 28, 2011, 02:54:49 AM
So P47s, P38s and B25s are a handicap?  As one who flies the 38G almost exclusively, I didn't realize I was stuck with it :)

LOL.  Let me guess you were part of the 50 rooks fighting 19 Bish and 28 Knits tonight.  Thank goodness you won the war!

What did you win btw? :)
Title: Re: arena caps and ENY
Post by: bj229r on April 28, 2011, 07:32:13 AM
Hmm...you talking Orange or Blue?
Title: Re: arena caps and ENY
Post by: Oldman731 on April 28, 2011, 07:42:24 AM
So P47s, P38s and B25s are a handicap? 


I was thinking the same thing.  Tonys, 38Gs, 47D11s can all deal with the late-war rides, except they can't chase them down.  I though people were complaining because ENY reduced them to flying I-16s and P-40Bs.

- oldman
Title: Re: arena caps and ENY
Post by: Oddball-CAF on May 04, 2011, 09:56:31 PM
1055PM Eastern: can't even fly an A6M5. Thanks HTC! :)
Title: Re: arena caps and ENY
Post by: AWwrgwy on May 04, 2011, 10:19:49 PM
1055PM Eastern: can't even fly an A6M5. Thanks HTC! :)

He says your welcome and he's sorry that you refuse to switch countries.


wrongway
Title: Re: arena caps and ENY
Post by: save on May 05, 2011, 04:07:59 AM
Suggestion : just get the off-hours arena going for one hour more , HTC get most Europeans off their back, since switching @ 24:00 is much  less of an issue than switching @ 23:00.

Many Europeans just dont move into orange/blue after the switch, also ENY/caps issues makes even more log for the night just after.
Also it takes at least 30min to get a good fighter vs fighter many vs many  going on after a switch.


Title: Re: arena caps and ENY
Post by: ROX on May 05, 2011, 09:01:01 AM
     Well free yourself from the Landgrabber side and it will be much more relaxing for you.  On second thought, don't.
Pocket Fuhrers make me giggle.  :lol


Since I am being labeled---and your having a nice giggle....

PLEASE, in a world wide forum, explain to the planet exactly what my style of game play is?  As specifically as possible.
Title: Re: arena caps and ENY
Post by: Ack-Ack on May 05, 2011, 01:45:26 PM
See Rule #4
Title: Re: arena caps and ENY
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on May 05, 2011, 02:09:33 PM
Suggestion : just get the off-hours arena going for one hour more , HTC get most Europeans off their back, since switching @ 24:00 is much  less of an issue than switching @ 23:00.

Many Europeans just dont move into orange/blue after the switch, also ENY/caps issues makes even more log for the night just after.
Also it takes at least 30min to get a good fighter vs fighter many vs many  going on after a switch.




I agree, 1 hour later would make a difference even though I'm +1 already compared to Save.