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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: DoubleEagle on April 30, 2011, 01:15:26 AM
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I've actually played the game on and off for a long time. My first flight was back in the days of Warbirds, before they had textures in Warbirds 2.0. I've continued on with Aces High after the weird debacle with selling Warbirds to another publisher and having to start over as Aces High.
After having been away for a while now I decided to come back after the last patch change ground vehicles to be more user friendly and similar to other online games (battlefield series for example).
Well, I was helping capture a base last night. So, you would think I would know this, right.
Well, I know the basics. Things have changed over the years and now you capture a town and get the base with it. I also know that the town flag will change to white. But, you know how I figured that out? I was online last night and heard people talking about it. Like that guy at a cocktail party I just kept quiet and hoped somebody would say what to do, and then I could act like I knew what to do the whole time.
Well, I decided to check the website for the instructions.
There are no instructions, guys. Why not?
P.S. Your vehicle driving instructions are out of date. The say to push your stick forward to throttle the engine up. Also, ship gunnery training talks about using the mouse pointer as a visual aid, but doesn't the game not allow you to have a mouse pointer?
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Answer in this thread: http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,312107.0.html
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That is a link to a forum post. I asked why there isn't a useful or up to date user manual. This isn't what I want. I just want a link to the website page that tells me how to capture a base. Forum posts come and go, and that isn't what I was looking for.
I'm guessing there isn't a manual.
I mean, come on guys. Just a PDF to download would be fine. We have guys who donate their free time to make plane skins, but nobody can be conned into writing a basic manual for free instead?
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usually with a ruffie and a long island...oh BASE! NOT BABE
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Best thing to do is sneak in at night, when everyone is sleeping. Change the locks and the number on the base to confuse em, then evict em when they wake up.
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Hijacking a ground vehicle thread isn't cool.
I did go read it, but that doesn't actually fully answer my question. Posting stupid jokes....also, doesn't actually answer my question. I hate being rude, but I will if that is what it takes.
Ok, so bombing buildings is somehow important. What buildings? Are they the airbase buildings, like hangars. I am ASSUMING that you bomb the town, but I have to ask.
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Hijacking a ground vehicle thread isn't cool.
I did go read it, but that doesn't actually fully answer my question. Posting stupid jokes....also, doesn't actually answer my question. I hate being rude, but I will if that is what it takes.
Ok, so bombing buildings is somehow important. What buildings? Are they the airbase buildings, like hangars. I am ASSUMING that you bomb the town, but I have to ask.
To take a base:
1. Destroy at least 80% of the town buildings. The flag will turn white when this is accomplished.
2. All of the defensive guns in town MUST be destroyed. If even one gun is left active, your troops will die.
3. 10 (uninjured) troops must be dropped in the town (by a C-47 or GV troop transport) so they can enter the map room (looks like a bunker and is situated next to the flag).
If all the conditions are met, as soon as the 10th troop enters the map room, the base is taken.
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Ok, good. I was doing things wrong then. I was bombing the airbase.
Just not sure why this isn't on the actual website FAQ or information pages. I think some time needs to be spent on updating all of that, or making a PDF user manual people can download.
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Double Eagle eh? A Dan Abnett fan? :)
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Ok, good. I was doing things wrong then. I was bombing the airbase.
Just not sure why this isn't on the actual website FAQ or information pages. I think some time needs to be spent on updating all of that, or making a PDF user manual people can download.
I'm not sure why you didn't post this in the "Help and Training" Forum.
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Here is a thread I started when I first joined a few weeks ago that has lots of useful information in:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,311129.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,311129.0.html)
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Go Bish and hang out with the Devils Brigade for a couple of days. They'll teach you how to capture a base.
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Sorry to have tried to help. It will be the last time.
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We have guys who donate their free time to make plane skins, but nobody can be conned into writing a basic manual for free instead?
Instead of a dedicated manual, Aces High relies on a volunteer training staff and WIKI pages (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/wiki/) to provide information on how to play the game. The very basics are provided by HiTech in their HELP SECTION (http://www.hitechcreations.com/Help-Section/Getting-Started/aces-high-help-start.html) and it is up to us to figure out the rest. There may not be many Aces High players who contribute with written manuals but there ARE plenty of trainers in the "TRAINING ARENA" and the "HELP AND TRAINING" FORUM (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/board,10.0.html) that can answer your questions.
Also keep in mind that the method for taking bases (that have a town) has changed recently, and also that a MAJOR release of the game that changes how ground vehicles work has been released LITERALLY a few days ago. HiTech Creations is a very small company trying to pull a profit with an (AWESOME) game in a very niche genre while charging a very affordable price. What this means is that they don't always have the resources to keep the documentation current, and because of all of the people who gladly volunteer their time to help out new players much of that documentation would go unread anyhow.
Add in the fact that the office just moved their physical location, that a new version was JUST released, that they are working on patches for the new version, that the owner just had a baby (congratulations HiTech, btw!), AND that a holiday just passed by... and you can understand why the documentation isn't exactly "up-to-date".
For future reference, please take note that people who come here asking for help, and then complain about the quality of that help are usually not tolerated for very long in this bulletin board community. Personally I feel that you should apologize to BaldEagl as he's been around a long time and really knows his stuff. I can understand your frustration, but there is no excuse for taking that out on the people who are only trying to help you out.
Good day.
*NOTE: I just noticed the Aces High WIKI link is not working.. perhaps they took it down so that the old 'outdated' information could be purged.
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Double Eagle eh? A Dan Abnett fan? :)
Damn straight. Somebody has to be the ace fighter pilot and stop the Blood Pact invasion. That was actually a damn good book, and the author seemed to know his fighter plane lingo and tactics pretty well for being a space opera novel, especially since it was for Warhammer 40k. Oskar Viltry was my favorite character, the bomber pilot.
I know Warhammer 40k can get over the top, but Double Eagle was well, well toned down on the overly bizarre elements of 40k, and way up in the realism department. It honestly felt more like the Russian Front than it did a normal 40k novel.
It was certainly a MUCH better novel than X-wing from the Star Wars book series. That wasn't worth the paper it was printed on.
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For future reference, please take note that people who come here asking for help, and then complain about the quality of that help are usually not tolerated for very long in this bulletin board community. Personally I feel that you should apologize to BaldEagl as he's been around a long time and really knows his stuff. I can understand your frustration, but there is no excuse for taking that out on the people who are only trying to help you out.
Good day.
*NOTE: I just noticed the Aces High WIKI link is not working.. perhaps they took it down so that the old 'outdated' information could be purged.
What are you talking about!?! I was bothered by Nathan and Guppy and their antics. I have no clue why Eagle was involved at all. I actually said he was the only guy who sort of helped me at all, so thanks for that. But where did you get the idea that I thought badly of him? I'm sure you read what you wanted to there and made a mistake.
As for the documentation, and saying it actually is good when I think it isn't probably will be an uphill battle for you. Go ahead and try , but I think you are wrong about the quality of the game information and how accessible it is. I am standing firm on that one and still think it needs work.
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What are you talking about!?! I have no clue why Eagle was involved at all. But where did you get the idea that I thought badly of him?
I will be damned if I can find ANYWHERE on the site where it tells you how to capture an enemy base.
Answer in this thread: http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,312107.0.html
That is a link to a forum post. This isn't what I want.
Hijacking a ground vehicle thread isn't cool.
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To be fair, you linking to a thread where somebody asks how to land a ground
vehicle really was no help to somebody who wanted to know how to capture
a base.
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To be fair, you linking to a thread where somebody asks how to land a ground
vehicle really was no help to somebody who wanted to know how to capture
a base.
To be fair, your back-seat moderation is getting tiresome. :aok
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To be fair, you linking to a thread where somebody asks how to land a ground
vehicle really was no help to somebody who wanted to know how to capture
a base.
To be fair did you even read that thread?
He posted in that thread first wondering how to capture a base. Look at the timing of his posts. I answered how to capture a base in response to his post along with my answers to the OP of that thread. As I was typing that he started this thread. Rather than posing the same thing twice in I just linked to the thread I had answered his question in then HE had the audacity to to try to tell me I had hijacked the GV thread and was clearly not appreciative that I had tried to answer his question. In fact he had exactly the opposite response.
I'm done trying to help people here.
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To be fair did you even read that thread?
He posted in that thread first wondering how to capture a base. Look at the timing of his posts. I answered how to capture a base in response to his post along with my answers to the OP of that thread. As I was typing that he started this thread. Rather than posing the same thing twice in I just linked to the thread I had answered his question in then HE had the audacity to to try to tell me I had hijacked the GV thread and was clearly not appreciative that I had tried to answer his question. In fact he had exactly the opposite response.
I'm done trying to help people here.
He also stated that you didn't clearly answer his question, and that it was
a thread about ground vehicles (insinuating that he did not want to hijack
another's thread).
I would love to know more as that bit about base capture is interesting, but doesn't actually clearly answer some of what I want to know.
This is a post about Ground Vehicles, though.
So, instead of him changing the topic of the current thread, he decided to
create his own.
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So, instead of him changing the topic of the current thread, he decided to
create his own.
Again look at the timing of the posts.
1. He wonders how to capture a base in the GV thread, essentially hijacking the thread.
2. I respond as part of a response to both him and the OP in the GV thread.
3. He starts this thread as I'm responding in the other one.
4. I link in this thread to the thread I already answered him in.
5. He says this isn't what he wants, evidently not even having read the response to his post.
6. He finally reads and responds in the GV thread.
7. He comes back here to tell me it's not cool to hijack the GV thread.
He also stated that you didn't clearly answer his question
Then it must be my fault that he's not smart enough to infer from this:
To capture an enemy airfield all the auto ack in the town near the field have to be down as well as enough buildings to turn the flag in the middle of town all white, then ten troops need to enter the maproom in town (next to the flag) uninjured.
... that "buildings" meant town buildings, not hangers. I only mentioned "town" three times in that sentance.
Frankly if he's that stupid no manual in the world's going to help him.
My honest opinion of all of this is that he's one who will do nothing but complain about the game and the community and we're better off without him as we were before he "returned". Maybe you should join him?
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Eagle, you making this into too much of a thing. Calm down. I thought you actually helped.
I'm used to town buildings being indestructible. Always have been. Or at least they were the last time I had an active account for this game. So, I wanted clarification, and I wasn't going to do it in somebody else's thread.
Frankly if he's that stupid no manual in the world's going to help him.
My honest opinion of all of this is that he's one who will do nothing but complain about the game and the community and we're better off without him as we were before he "returned". Maybe you should join him?
Yeah, that is a clear sign this is overboard. Lock the thread, moderators. I've got the info I wanted at any rate.
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Town buildings are indestructible. Always have been.
Uh huh
[EDIT] Been here sice 2001 and in that time town buildings have always been destructible.
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I'm used to town buildings being indestructible. Always have been.
:huh :O
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It still makes sense to also bomb the enemy airfield to take down the vehicle hangars, fighter hangars and bomber hangars. Doing this will greatly increase your chances of successfully capturing the town. The success of any military operation depends on using all of the assets available to you. The old days of taking a base by yourself is over, unless you are in the Green Arena when no one else is on. Here's my winning formula for taking a Vehicle Base.
The first step is to take down all of the guns, both AAA and Anti-tank. I prefer to do this with a Bf110 G2 with just cannons. Start with the AAA first and then take down the three 17 pounders.
While I'm doing this, my bombers are taking down the four vehicle hangars. Once they are down and all of the guns are silenced, the base is safe to capture. My 110 checks for any FLAK or tanks. If these are not prowling the base, I send in my troops in an M3 or C-47. Taking down the VHs are critical because just one GV can ruin your day when trying to capture a base. It's also a good idea to have a couple of fighters acting as high cover just in case any enemy aircraft appears on the scene.
In light of the new GVs recently introduced lately, I've developed an attack plan using the new M3 with the 75mm guns to take down the buildings in a town. Here's the order of battle (OB) required to pull off this attack.
*Arty Element - 3-4 M3s with 75mm HE rounds
*AAA Element - 5-6 M16s
*Scout Element - 4 M8s
*Exploitation Element - 3 M3s with troops
You will notice that this is a "fast attack" battleplan including no tanks. I want this formation to be quick, since most towns are usually quite some distance from the spawn point. You will need those M16s to provide the necessary AAA umbrella. They will form a cordone around the other vehicles. All will move at maximum speed towards their objective. The M8s will advance well forward of the M3s and M16s seeking out and engaging enemy GVs. The M3s with the 75mm guns will halt within range of the town (out of range of town guns) and start their bombardment of the buildings and guns. Once you've got a white flag and all of the guns are down you can send in the M3s with troops.
Hope these plans work for you.
Pappy08
C.O.
The Old Breed Squad
:airplane:
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Eagle, you making this into too much of a thing. Calm down. I thought you actually helped.
I'm used to town buildings being indestructible. Always have been. Or at least they were the last time I had an active account for this game. So, I wanted clarification, and I wasn't going to do it in somebody else's thread.
Yeah, that is a clear sign this is overboard. Lock the thread, moderators. I've got the info I wanted at any rate.
My guess is you have this game confused with some other game. The town has ALWAYS been destroyable. There use to be non-destructable "hangers" on the fields as they were the ends to the supply routes in the game system.
I would also suggest that you STOP playing the game and read the entire Trainers Page (http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/). While NOT technically a "manual" it has the basic info on how to play the game. While some of the info is out of date (you could volunteer to help rewrite it with the training staff) it has more than enough information to give you a good base and help you avoid asking "stupid" questions that get posted over and over again by new players coming in and 1) don't bother using the search button to look for their own answers, or 2) spend the time reading the info that HTC has posted on the main site under HELP (http://www.hitechcreations.com/Help-Section/Getting-Started/aces-high-help-start.html), or the trainers site.
Posting on the BBS will get you good answers, as well as "wize cracks", If you take offense at the wize cracks I would think it's time to sign off from the BBS. If you wish to avoid the wise cracks completely, you could email your questions directly to HTC and believe it or not they WILL answer you.
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The question of how to capture a base is in the Help section under "Gamplay" and I pretty sure we directed him there early on.
Link (http://www.hitechcreations.com/Help-Section/Flight-Sim-Information/aces-high-help-gameplay.html)
A big thanks and <S> to BaldEagl, Fugitive, Lusche and others who are always generous with their time to answer questions. Every once in a while, we get some players who are, well, difficult, but most people aren't like that. :salute
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you have to take down whole base (close it) and then one of your side has to land on the strip and come to a total stop. It will be captured then. :D
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H O R D E !
Skirt lifting, bon bon eating, oprah watching H O R D E !
:neener:
JUGgler
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you have to take down whole base (close it) and then one of your side has to land on the strip and come to a total stop. It will be captured then. :D
Your are showing your "sim" age ... ;)
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You guys know the search function is still not working?
He came back and had no other way to find the information other than authoring a thread.
Capturing an airbase requires one to drop troops in the nearby town close enough that they can run to an underground bunker that exists right under the flag.......which must be white to capture the base.
Capturing a "V field" or "tank field" is similar except there is no town.
Instead, there is a green mound near the tower that has an entrance to a small bunker.
The significance of these bunkers is that a person who has chuted out and is on foot can also access the bunkers and sit inside to shoot the enemy grunts who attempt to run in.
Even though these are "bunkers" you are not safe inside from "splash damage" caused by both bombs and HE tank rounds.