Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: drfritz on May 05, 2011, 12:33:57 AM
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Like to see that vech icons do not show up to enemy air craft that have any type of heavy ords on board. such has rockets and bombs. once the ords is gone. the icons show back up. its way to easy for one guy to have a turkey shoot with gvs.2nd wish along same grounds is gv flack guns too aircrafgt icons be set at 500 yards to level out the playing field.
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Just like with aircraft in reality it is much easier to spot cars (tanks in this case) than on a computer screen, that is why we need the icons.
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If you've been in a plane in real life and look at the traffic, you can easily tell big differences between the cars. Try doing that in the game from only 1.5k without icons. You can't tell the difference alot of the time, especially with Ost/Wirb/PanzerIV because they are all the same chassis, but you would be able to in real life. Icons are needed.
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How would pilot's vision improve after the ord was dropped? Vehicles were easy meat for fighter bomber
attacks historically -1.
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How would pilot's vision improve after the ord was dropped? Vehicles were easy meat for fighter bomber
attacks historically -1.
Agreed, but it would be more accurate if GVs that are stopped, engine off, and hidden weren't so easily seen, such as a tank hiding under trees. NO WAY you spot that GV from 1.5 away in real life. Many many many accounts from guys who have flown right over dozens of camo'd tanks and other vehicles in helicopters only a few hundred feet up, and never saw 'em.
T34 rolling full throttle across an open field? Yeh, that sticks out like a sore thumb. Icon 1.5K away, if not further.
Same tank inside a building or under trees, stopped, engine off? Why the icon?
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I see an opportunity for compromise. Small icon for stopped GV. Once the GV is moving, the icon grows with the GV's speed; the faster it's moving, the bigger the icon - up to your normal icon size you've set in your preferences.
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No leave vehicle icons
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Just like with aircraft in reality it is much easier to spot cars (tanks in this case) than on a computer screen, that is why we need the icons.
GVs are quite easy to see without icons, the vehicle stands out quite well agaist the terrain.
Turn off you icons and see for yourself.
Removing icons would bennefit the GV fighting +1
GV icons do not impact the fight overhead at all :aok
Add some sort of colored marker rocket for GVs and planes so as these can be used to mark an enemy position for Jabo I.D. the color could be country specific!
JUGgler
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Icons by themselves aren't the problem (particularly at only 1.5k), I think the range indicators are the issue.
If I was in charge (scary thought), this is what I would do;
1. Leave enemy tank icons for GV type at 1.5k.
2. Remove the range indicators for all enemy GVs, this will also prevent the base guns from having an easier time popping tanks. It will also make egging them a little harder, particularly at minimum altitudes.
3. Remove the icon from any tank with any kind of foliage/hill concealment.
4. If historically accurate, add small wisps of smoke at the end of main gun barrels after firing.
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For many recreational game players opposed to the small cadre of this games "Serious no Lifers".
You would be consigning them to a second class game citizen status of being able to almost see any GV through thier monitor maybe at 100yds in the brush. They would never understand the difference between the "Digital Vibrance", "Contrast", and "Gamma" sliders. Either in their LCD monitor's menu, video card menu, or even in the game's graphics menu.
Best Buy $199 LCD 21"specials just don't have the pixel resolution and vibrance to help you separate the iron from the brush without that icon. Even my LG L227 is an either or monitor. I can adjust it to have great grey scale gradient resolution and not burn my eyes reading on the internet or I can have great color and vibrance resolution and this game look great. But not both. And under $300 LCD's for general home/Internet use come set inbetween.
Thats quite a bit of unintended consiquence to not consider. Or, if you have a high end system and work at home as a graphics professional, I doubt it would do anything but make you more effective in the brush.
Would be intersting if the game had a wall in the sunlight where you can adjust your color resolution, crispness and gray scale for the game. I'm finding what looks sharp, bright and colorful on my desktop is a bit too gamma and contrast low in the game.
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GVs are quite easy to see without icons, the vehicle stands out quite well agaist the terrain.
Turn off you icons and see for yourself.
Removing icons would bennefit the GV fighting +1
GV icons do not impact the fight overhead at all :aok
Add some sort of colored marker rocket for GVs and planes so as these can be used to mark an enemy position for Jabo I.D. the color could be country specific!
JUGgler
I never said GVs are invisible without icons, they can be spotted but it's a lot harder to do it on a computer screen.
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Just like with aircraft in reality it is much easier to spot cars (tanks in this case) than on a computer screen, that is why we need the icons.
Really? I've heard this before. A camoflaged tank in trees and grass and terrain was easier to spot in real life, with haze, cloudy weather, non-optimal Lighting, and dirty wind screens?
These theoretical resolution discussions have some merit on planes at long distances, but I've seen no good proof tanks are so much harder to spot in game that an icon is needed to find them.
I think this argument is overplaid. :salute
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Tanks, or cars, don't look like this . from 3000 feet IRL.
Real life has more pixels per inch.
wrongway
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in game using the zoom function they do look a lot like this (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/405468/AH%20Stuff/2%20tanks.jpg) from 3000 feet.
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Tanks, or cars, don't look like this . from 3000 feet IRL.
Real life has more pixels per inch.
wrongway
They don't look like that in game either. 3000 ft is 1000 yards. At a thousand yards, a Tank looks like a Tank. In fact at Icon ranges of 2500, which I think is Icon range for planes to GVs, You can still see them. Getting rid of the Icon means a plane would have to look and search, just like real life. Getting rid of GV Icons would be a gameplay improvement in my opinion. :salute
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in game using the zoom function they do look a lot like this (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/405468/AH%20Stuff/2%20tanks.jpg) from 3000 feet.
gyrene but that's only good when you already know his location. try looking for a tank zoomed in see if you cant find it.
sempReally? I've heard this before. A camoflaged tank in trees and grass and terrain was easier to spot in real life, with haze, cloudy weather, non-optimal Lighting, and dirty wind screens?
These theoretical resolution discussions have some merit on planes at long distances, but I've seen no good proof tanks are so much harder to spot in game that an icon is needed to find them.
I think this argument is overplaid. :salute
you can easily see a car from 10k feet in real life. you cant see it in the game.
semp
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Really? I've heard this before. A camoflaged tank in trees and grass and terrain was easier to spot in real life, with haze, cloudy weather, non-optimal Lighting, and dirty wind screens?
These theoretical resolution discussions have some merit on planes at long distances, but I've seen no good proof tanks are so much harder to spot in game that an icon is needed to find them.
I think this argument is overplaid. :salute
Perhaps it is overplaid by most, but I'm speaking from personal experience.
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gyrene but that's only good when you already know his location. try looking for a tank zoomed in see if you cant find it.
if it's not in a heavy stand of trees or a barn it's easy to spot from as high as 6000 feet...might depend on a persons graphics settings but i can usually spot the dots of gv's out in the open from that altitude.
you can easily see a car from 10k feet in real life. you cant see it in the game.
semp
paint it olive drab and stick it next to the hedgerow in your neighbor's yard...then try to spot it on an overcast day from 10k up...a tank is obviously bigger than a car but, it wouldn't be painted candy apple red either.
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paint it olive drab and stick it next to the hedgerow in your neighbor's yard...then try to spot it on an overcast day from 10k up...a tank is obviously bigger than a car but, it wouldn't be painted candy apple red either.
You can do that if there is no overcast, but there is no overcast in AH so that does not count. Sure it wont be as easy as spotting something on the highway but if your specifically looking it can be done.
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You can do that if there is no overcast, but there is no overcast in AH so that does not count. Sure it wont be as easy as spotting something on the highway but if your specifically looking it can be done.
you would only be able to spot it from the glare on the glass or chrome...tanks don't have glass or chrome...not normally anyway.
i can't hit the silly things with bombs anyway so for me spotting them is just a hobby...zoom zoom
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I know it could be used to "game the game" but I'd like to see how it'd work out if GV icons were only shown if the GV's engine was running.
Just a thought.
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Perhaps it is overplaid by most, but I'm speaking from personal experience.
Come on Mach and Semp, I've looked out hte window of a plane as well. Be honest, a car is brightly painted shiny object on the gray road. Can you spot a green John Deere tractor in corn field, or parked in a meadow? :salute
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If I jump a jeep off a cliff within an enemy dar ring, will it generate a dot once it is 65 feet from the ground?
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GVs are quite easy to see without icons, the vehicle stands out quite well agaist the terrain.
Turn off you icons and see for yourself.
Removing icons would bennefit the GV fighting +1
GV icons do not impact the fight overhead at all :aok
Add some sort of colored marker rocket for GVs and planes so as these can be used to mark an enemy position for Jabo I.D. the color could be country specific!
JUGgler
i 100% agree with you
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Come on Mach and Semp, I've looked out hte window of a plane as well. Be honest, a car is brightly painted shiny object on the gray road. Can you spot a green John Deere tractor in corn field, or parked in a meadow? :salute
If you specifically look for it you should be able to spot it (depending on your vision), the thing is that pilot don't spend much time looking at what kind of car is driving 10K under them.
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they only show up it you get close to them