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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: EskimoJoe on May 05, 2011, 10:32:52 PM
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As of Patch 2 : Added a host variable that controls the randomizer radius of remote vehicle spawns.
Will this mean a decrease in spawn camping and an increase in camped spawn survivability rates?
Discuss.
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Some of you make this game so much more complicated than it needs to be. :rofl
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it's what they live for :rofl :rofl
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Some of you make this game so much more complicated than it needs to be. :rofl
:rofl :aok
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The random spawn in, which has always been there other than when spawning into a hanger, will be more randomyish.
Or, will it spawn you into a random hanger? :noid
It's not like if you're camping a spawn they'll suddenly spawn behind you.
wrongway
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I remember when they used to spawn in one spot, there would be a circle of guys at 250 feet wall firing when a guy apawned in..../
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What has more effect is that the gvs spawn with runnin engine. No more hangar camps.
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:bhead
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What has more effect is that the gvs spawn with runnin engine.
This is great for us campers actually. ;)
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This is great for us campers actually. ;)
With engine running its harder to tell which direction shots are fired, namely because the tankers are already trying to move by time they get hit.
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best way to bust a camp is spawn silent, and hopefully campers won't notice you for first 5-10 seconds. Far more difficult if you pop up and they hear your engine start with black smoke belching out
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ok i say no more hangar camp then ;)
But youre right. Maybe this isnt the right place to ask this, but wouldnt it be nice to have an option to spawn with or without running engine?
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wouldnt it be nice to have an option to spawn with or without running engine?
+1,000 One of the tried and true methods for recon on campers as well as killing them is to up with engine off and sit, watch and listen. Engine noise will bring fire down on you from campers within seconds.... :uhoh
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Tie engine off or on to the auto takeoff in the clipboard.
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Tie engine off or on to the auto takeoff in the clipboard.
+ 1 A wonderful idea. I hope that HTC agrees and is able to.
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Tie engine off or on to the auto takeoff in the clipboard.
-50 horrible idea. I never use auto-take off and while I wouldn't mind an option to start engine off/on I don't even want to have to think about turning on/off auto-take off.
shdo
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It's not like if you're camping a spawn they'll suddenly spawn behind you.
wrongway
innnnnterreesstttiinnggggggg :t :bolt: :rofl :rofl :rofl
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This idea looks good on paper...But thats about it. Probably should get more input from folks that rarely gv.
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Most of my tank kills are from spawning in and sweeping the turret around immediately.........and many times finding a spawn camper pointed elsewhere.
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Tie engine off or on to the auto takeoff in the clipboard.
I would have to agree with this or something similar for most of the reasons already given.
There are times when its advantageous to spawn with your engine running And there are times when its the last thing you want. Being able to select would allow the players to decide for themselves based on their current circumstances.
Sooo. I havent checked it out yet so how much more random is the spawn now?
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I would have to agree with this or something similar for most of the reasons already given.
There are times when its advantageous to spawn with your engine running And there are times when its the last thing you want. Being able to select would allow the players to decide for themselves based on their current circumstances.
Sooo. I havent checked it out yet so how much more random is the spawn now?
It is my understanding of the update note that they only added
an option that allows the host (thinking server admin) to control
the randomness of vehicle spawns. I doubt this is correct.
There are a few other things that I could assume based off those
notes, but I doubt any are right.
The spawns could very well be the same in the MAs for all I know.
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It is my understanding of the update note that they only added
an option that allows the host (thinking server admin) to control
the randomness of vehicle spawns. I doubt this is correct.
There are a few other things that I could assume based off those
notes, but I doubt any are right.
The spawns could very well be the same in the MAs for all I know.
Oh. I was hoping they did one of two things.
Either increased the area of the random spawn area by 2-3X (wider spawn area)
Orrr Set it so the spawn area would either be in its traditional locations with no campers allowed or so that anyone spawning into an area would automatically spawn in no closer then say 2,000 yards from the nearest GV from an opposing side
To clarify. If no enemy GV is within 2,000 yards of a spawn You would spawn into the traditional spawn area.
But if there is an enemy GV within 2K yards of the traditional spawn area. You would automatically spawn in no closer to an enemy then 2K yards
This second option makes sense to me if your going to spawn with the engine running because to would then give the person spawning in a chance to move.
The old way I've sometimes been shot into the tower almost before my graphics have had a chance to completely load let alone be able to swing my turret around or start my engine.
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To clarify. If no enemy GV is within 2,000 yards of a spawn You would spawn into the traditional spawn area.
But if there is an enemy GV within 2K yards of the traditional spawn area. You would automatically spawn in no closer to an enemy then 2K yards
There should be NO gamey way to tell if there is a gv lurking in the weeds such as the above stated or towering out in a jeep to check the spawn and see if you get a ditch or successful land. To make it so that there is a place for you to land at in enemy territory they could make random landing spots that only the landing gv can see via a certain radio tower pad, house, barn or building recognizable for that purpose. That would keep people from camping a landing post.
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There should be NO gamey way to tell if there is a gv lurking in the weeds such as the above stated or towering out in a jeep to check the spawn and see if you get a ditch or successful land. To make it so that there is a place for you to land at in enemy territory they could make random landing spots that only the landing gv can see via a certain radio tower pad, house, barn or building recognizable for that purpose. That would keep people from camping a landing post.
I suppose that we could look at offline arena setup options to see exactly what new settings do. I am kind of pressed for time and hope to find answers here, that I can test in the arena with other live participants. That' just me.
The whole concept of landing kills anywhere other than a designated safe area is gamey. The problem is, spawn camps are actually gamey. But who is going to spend close to 1/2 an hour to drive somewhere to get whacked and then drive another 1/2 an hour to do it over again?
So, spawning a jeep in and getting a ditch or whatever, does have some risk attached to it. I have heard of folks filming a portion of their battle and going to the film viewer to find the hiding spot of their enemy and then returning to the game to hunt that location with the information gained from that film. Now, THAT is gamey.
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+1000 for ANYTHING done to make it more difficult/impossible to spawn camp. Yes, I've done it, and have camped hangers as well. But it does suck, and is NOT a "GV fight" in my definition of the term, it's an ambush and "GV slaughter" where (at least the ones I've witnessed from both sides) one side has preactically all the advantage and the other side is pretty much unable to do a thing about it other than come back in the air with ords.
Make the spawn area 3X-4X larger than it currently is, make the spawn-ins much more random, and I think Dred's idea of GVs not spawning in any closer than 2K to ANY enemy GV is a great idea.
No more feeding from the spawn point buffet.
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It doesnt matter if its at a spawn or half the way to our base. If me and 2 or 3 other good gv guys set up at a bottleneck, your not going to make it. Waiting for a tank to drive to your base then killing it will still be called spawn camping by some..lol
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It doesnt matter if its at a spawn or half the way to our base. If me and 2 or 3 other good gv guys set up at a bottleneck, your not going to make it.
And that is fine. No one said anything about making everyone equal.... some people will always be better at GVing than others, no different than bombing, jabo, or dogfighting.
But at least everyone gets off the spawn and to a hiding place to figure out their next move.
Waiting for a tank to drive to your base then killing it will still be called spawn camping by some..lol
There will always be whiners.
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I've said it before. I'll say it again.
GVing is all about spawn camping.
Mutual spawn camping makes it even more popular, IE V85-V88.
wrongway
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I've said it before. I'll say it again.
GVing is all about spawn camping.
Mutual spawn camping makes it even more popular, IE V85-V88.
wrongway
Yep, so leave it alone.
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I've said it before. I'll say it again.
GVing is all about spawn camping.
Mutual spawn camping makes it even more popular, IE V85-V88.
wrongway
That's fun sometimes, unless one side has the other spawn heavily camped then it's just a massacre. The most fun for me is a GV battle between 2 V-bases that are close together, each side meeting somewhere between, but not able to get too close to the opposing V-base (unless they love getting tagged by 17lbers).... not much camping, just fighting from one safe spot to the next...
But yeh, when you have two GV spawns next to each other, out in the middle of nowhere.... sometimes those can be fun... unless they're too camped!
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Yep, so leave it alone.
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The changes wished for will only make it more of a fight, and more fun in my opinion, and less of a "let's get 10 of our friends and go execute the same 2 or 3 uppers over and over until they quit upping" like it often is now. Guys rack up 20+ kills because they roll a Tiger to a known hiding spot and just slaughter the tanks that magically appear in almost the same spot over and over and over and over and over and over............
It's not a GV fight when you're towered before your graphics card is even able to render the terrain, much less the enemies..... which have already killed you by the time you even see a glimpse of them, much less been able to react.
Admit it..... the way it is now is nothing more than an easy mode feeding frenzy for a lot of guys.....
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The changes wished for will only make it more of a fight, and more fun in my opinion, and less of a "let's get 10 of our friends and go execute the same 2 or 3 uppers over and over until they quit upping" like it often is now. Guys rack up 20+ kills because they roll a Tiger to a known hiding spot and just slaughter the tanks that magically appear in almost the same spot over and over and over and over and over and over............
It's not a GV fight when you're towered before your graphics card is even able to render the terrain, much less the enemies..... which have already killed you by the time you even see a glimpse of them, much less been able to react.
Admit it..... the way it is now is nothing more than an easy mode feeding frenzy for a lot of guys.....
I couldn't agree more, it isnt fun for both sides when one is completely dominating the others.
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The changes wished for will only make it more of a fight, and more fun in my opinion, and less of a "let's get 10 of our friends and go execute the same 2 or 3 uppers over and over until they quit upping" like it often is now. Guys rack up 20+ kills because they roll a Tiger to a known hiding spot and just slaughter the tanks that magically appear in almost the same spot over and over and over and over and over and over............
It's not a GV fight when you're towered before your graphics card is even able to render the terrain, much less the enemies..... which have already killed you by the time you even see a glimpse of them, much less been able to react.
Admit it..... the way it is now is nothing more than an easy mode feeding frenzy for a lot of guys.....
I do like taking a base from those guys who roll out to spawn camp which leaves them a very long drive to land thier spawn camped kills.
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I couldn't agree more, it isnt fun for both sides when one is completely dominating the others.
So the knits and bish are actually going to start fighting each other?
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So the knits and bish are actually going to start fighting each other?
DING DING DING DING DING!!!!!
Folks, it's time to award the cash prize for the "stupid comment of the day" award!!
:rofl
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It is my understanding of the update note that they only added
an option that allows the host (thinking server admin) to control
the randomness of vehicle spawns. I doubt this is correct.
Your understanding is correct, and the setting is the same as before.
HiTech
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So the knits and bish are actually going to start fighting each other?
Right after the Knits and Rooks start theirs.
Fred
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Right after the Knits and Rooks start theirs.
Fred
Well until you Bish and Rooks start fighting each other, we're not fighting either of you.
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Ummmm...... HiTech won't make much money off this one!
:rofl
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I have heard of folks filming a portion of their battle and going to the film viewer to find the hiding spot of their enemy and then returning to the game to hunt that location with the information gained from that film. Now, THAT is gamey.
Not really. No difference then sending a recon plane to take pictures IRL so as to see the enemies positions prior to an attack.
What you describe is probably the least gamey thing
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I've said it before. I'll say it again.
GVing is all about spawn camping.
Mutual spawn camping makes it even more popular, IE V85-V88.
wrongway
Now THAT is gamey. May be fun for some. But I consider it to be the most mindless and worst aspect and activity in the game. And its the last thing GVing should be about if your even remotely trying to simulate any kind of combat experience.
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That's fun sometimes, unless one side has the other spawn heavily camped then it's just a massacre. The most fun for me is a GV battle between 2 V-bases that are close together, each side meeting somewhere between, but not able to get too close to the opposing V-base (unless they love getting tagged by 17lbers).... not much camping, just fighting from one safe spot to the next...
And this is what GVing should be about.
Not whack a mole
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The changes wished for will only make it more of a fight, and more fun in my opinion, and less of a "let's get 10 of our friends and go execute the same 2 or 3 uppers over and over until they quit upping" like it often is now. Guys rack up 20+ kills because they roll a Tiger to a known hiding spot and just slaughter the tanks that magically appear in almost the same spot over and over and over and over and over and over............
It's not a GV fight when you're towered before your graphics card is even able to render the terrain, much less the enemies..... which have already killed you by the time you even see a glimpse of them, much less been able to react.
Admit it..... the way it is now is nothing more than an easy mode feeding frenzy for a lot of guys.....
DINGDINGDINGDINGDING!
WINNAR!
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Your understanding is correct, and the setting is the same as before.
HiTech
Thank you for the clarification
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And this is what GVing should be about.
Not whack a mole
Except for the part where you missed out - normally someone ups a tank and killed by another tank, generally whines the "GV controls" are messed up and comes back with a fully loaded A-20 to bomb****, thus scrambling fighters from the opposite side who brings bombs for retaliation.
this is what Aces high GV'ing is about, and I wish all those who bomb**** would roll their tank on a sheep.
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Now THAT is gamey. May be fun for some. But I consider it to be the most mindless and worst aspect and activity in the game. And its the last thing GVing should be about if your even remotely trying to simulate any kind of combat experience.
ahem, technically it could be called "waiting in ambush"...germany, russia, britain and the u.s. did it during the war, with tanks as well as artillery...fairly realistic tactic considering the context. just sucks when you don't have a full company of tanks to help take out the campers.
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ahem, technically it could be called "waiting in ambush"...germany, russia, britain and the u.s. did it during the war, with tanks as well as artillery...fairly realistic tactic considering the context. just sucks when you don't have a full company of tanks to help take out the campers.
C'mon man. Thats one of the biggest crocks I've seen in a while. Spawn camping is as much "Waiting in ambush" isnt even remotely realistic even in the context. Its like calling the batter out on strikes before even gets up to bat.
When the opposing tank drives some distance and you wait for him to clear a building your hiding behind to get a clear shot on him then blow him away. THAT is waiting in ambush.
Spawn camping people before they ever even get a chance to move and half the time before their graphics even finish loading isnt even in the same universe. Let alone context.
Its like clubbing a child to death in his sleep and then claiming self defense because he might have grown up to be a bad guy.
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ahem, technically it could be called "waiting in ambush"...germany, russia, britain and the u.s. did it during the war, with tanks as well as artillery...fairly realistic tactic considering the context. just sucks when you don't have a full company of tanks to help take out the campers.
gotta say dred's right. real ambushes in this game are a tactician's nightmare. You need to predict the most commonly used approach path to a target and set up a defensive configuration with multiple GVs covering multiple chokepoints. with all of this there's still the chance that once the enemy arrives, they take a different path rather than rolling into your sights. completing a good ambush in game requires patience, cunning, and tactical knowhow. camping is just annoyingly annoying.