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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: AceHavok on May 10, 2011, 03:46:37 PM
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I would like to see the B-25J added to Aces High. It has a pretty good combat record. Also, Over 4,300 where made.
You can read more about the B-25J.
Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-25J
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I would like to see the B-25J added to Aces High. It has a pretty good combat record. Also, Over 4,300 where made.
You can read more about the B-25J.
Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-25J
(http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/1596/unledxte.png)
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Yes +1 for the B25J.
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+1 i think this would be a great addition.
i love level-bombing in 25C's, but it irks me that my only real defensive armament is the top turret, which leads me to ditch the drones and fight a (most often losing) dogfight
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+1 i think this would be a great addition.
i love level-bombing in 25C's, but it irks me that my only real defensive armament is the top turret, which leads me to ditch the drones and fight a (most often losing) dogfight
try dogfighting in an A-20,really fun
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i would personally love to see the B-25J in game.
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oh ya and +1
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IMO we can wait for this plane, there are many others that Need to be added first, but +1 to thi idea
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B25J :aok
M-18 :noid
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IMO we can wait for this plane, there are many others that Need to be added first, but +1 to thi idea
we can never wait GIMMIE MORE! :rofl
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+2 Had a relative that was a tail gunner, said he got a oscar and a zeke
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1+ :aok
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12 forward firing 50 cals.
Far out man. :O
+3
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12 forward firing 50 cals.
Far out man. :O
Why, that almost manages to match the firepower of the Mossie while retaining none of its speed and maneuverability! :p
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Why, that almost manages to match the firepower of the Mossie while retaining none of its speed and maneuverability! :p
and it has defensive guns as well! Fun for the whole family!
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Yes! Please! :aok
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So are you asking for the glass nose version or the solid 8 gun nose version?
I'd imagine the solid nose wouldn't be a drone leading version, so it must be the glass nose?
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B25J :aok
M-18 :noid <----dam it Hitech! Give him his medication, will you!!!!
A-26 first then we will talk.
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Forget the A26. Beaufighter! :)
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Would love to see a B-25J in game, and since we're wishing I'd like the glass and solid nose as an option like -C variant.
:)
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try dogfighting in an A-20,really fun
Yes and the F3 view doesn't hurt either :aok
JUGgler
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What year did they enter service? I thought they entered later in the war?
+1 for it though any way I like the B-25's
(PBY-5A would be fun to :noid )
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What year did they enter service? I thought they entered later in the war?
+1 for it though any way I like the B-25's
(PBY-5A would be fun to :noid )
Not sure when it started reaching operational squadrons (I'll keep looking) but I have the production numbers here. The first B-25J was delivered in December 1943 of what would be a 4,390 aircraft production run (4,318 of those were delivered).
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Really? 1943 is earlier then I thought. In that case...
+2 for B-25J
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Not sure about other theaters or squadrons but the 345th Bomb Group in the south west Pacific started receiving the J models in the fall of '44 (September, October mostly). The 5th Air Force was generally a little lower on the priority list than the other theaters so I would guess that the J models probably made it to southern Europe and the MTO a few months earlier, but that's just a guess.
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I'm that reason...
:headscratch:
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A-26 first then we will talk.
what meds?! :x :x :x
M-18 :noid
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Forget the A26. Beaufighter! :)
The Beaufighter, yes that first then the A-26.
what meds?! :x :x :x
M-18 :noid
17.7 metric tons (39,000 lb) M-18!
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+ 1 B-25J
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+1
flakhapy
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+1 to this wish.
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Once when level bombing in a B-25C I got shot down by a B-17. You won't guess why... NO TAIL GUN. +1 to the B-25J.
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I was going to make another thread in the wishlist, but I just thought I'd bump this one. So... Thoughts on the B-25J?
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I personally would still want it alot. +3 to any bomber variants. Including B-24D
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Not sure if I was suppose to bump, I apologize if I broke any rules.
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I personally would still want it alot. +3 to any bomber variants. Including B-24D
Yes, I would like to see the B-24D too. :aok
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no A-26...no M18...we could use a B-25J...but we need the StuG III Ausf G.
:noid
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+1 to this
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Including B-24D
Why? Not much of a difference over the -J
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Why? Not much of a difference over the -J
Nose turret in the J, and many other small changes. Also, the D looks better in my opinion.
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Nose turret in the J, and many other small changes. Also, the D looks better in my opinion.
out of curiosity, what are the other changes? the nose turret is the only i can see.
any payload difference? I doubt HTC would make a new version just because of a nose turret
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out of curiosity, what are the other changes? the nose turret is the only i can see.
any payload difference? I doubt HTC would make a new version just because of a nose turret
i think the b25j had a tail gun aswell, not entirely sure.
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i think the b25j had a tail gun aswell, not entirely sure.
I believe they're talking about the B-24D. :)
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I believe they're talking about the B-24D. :)
ahh...i feel stupid :lol
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This is why I want a B-25J. Sooo many guns.
(http://i547.photobucket.com/albums/hh473/cactuskooler/4976041656_c6be7c3b3e_o-1.jpg)
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Bomber pilots. What ya gonna do? :)
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This is why I want a B-25J. Sooo many guns.
(http://i547.photobucket.com/albums/hh473/cactuskooler/4976041656_c6be7c3b3e_o-1.jpg)
The B-25J was one of my favorite planes. :)
Also, just curious, wasn't there a version of the B-25C that had a ball turret?
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yup. its official. after seeing that picture, ive come to the general conclusion that we need this
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The B-25J was one of my favorite planes. :)
Also, just curious, wasn't there a version of the B-25C that had a ball turret?
Yes the B-25's up to the C/D model had a ventral turret with two .50's in it. The problem was the turret was too small to carry a crew member so the turret was controlled remotely by a gunner kneeling on the bottom of the aircraft looking through a periscope. I've been told the British had more luck with it than the Americans but I haven't read any RAF accounts. The stories I've read from US crew members seem that the setup was nearly universally hated, difficult to operate and track a target and usually just succeeded in making the gunner nauseous with vertigo, in many cases they were removed in the field.
A quote from Harold Maul who served with the 5th Air Force in the SW Pacific had the following to say.
The worst thing ever designed was the bottom turret on the B-25. It was the stupidest bit of equipment. My God, the operator is sitting on one place getting a reverse image through the mirror. He couldn't hit a thing. It slowed the damned plane down, and we weren't getting belly attacks anyway. What they really needed was a rear gun, which they eventually installed."
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Thanks Soulyss,
I knew I heard something about it somewhere. :)
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This is why I want a B-25J. Sooo many guns.
(http://i547.photobucket.com/albums/hh473/cactuskooler/4976041656_c6be7c3b3e_o-1.jpg)
wait, the c model has 10 guns up front doesn't it?
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wait, the c model has 10 guns up front doesn't it?
No, the C/D model strafer 25's had 8 guns up front, four in the front/bombadier position and two each on either side of the fuselage beneath the cockpit.
The last two were in the top turret but it was mounted two far aft to be brought to bear in a strafing attack.
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No, the C/D model strafer 25's had 8 guns up front, four in the front/bombadier position and two each on either side of the fuselage beneath the cockpit.
The last two were in the top turret but it was mounted two far aft to be brought to bear in a strafing attack.
ok, i was looking at the 25c in ah which shows 2 sets of 10 guns and 1 set of 4 guns. didn't consider the turret as being part of the gun package.
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The tail gun alone is a reason worth adding this thing. It should be modeled just like the -C model. A strafer version and a glass nose version with bombsight
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Sorry, I should of clarified while posting this thread, I am wishing for the glass nose version of the B-25J. I really wanted to see another B-25 added that had a decent amount of protection/formations. I really think that the B-25J would be used quite a bit in Late War Main Arena. Although, I could be wrong. :) It really is a beautiful aircraft in my opinion, One of my favorite medium bombers during WWII.
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One of my favorite medium bombers during WWII.
Agreed. The only thing ranking higher than the Mitchell is the Marauder. Cooler name, and much faster and sleek lookin :airplane:. Both are magnificent bombers!
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Yes the B-25's up to the C/D model had a ventral turret with two .50's in it. The problem was the turret was too small to carry a crew member so the turret was controlled remotely by a gunner kneeling on the bottom of the aircraft looking through a periscope. I've been told the British had more luck with it than the Americans but I haven't read any RAF accounts. The stories I've read from US crew members seem that the setup was nearly universally hated, difficult to operate and track a target and usually just succeeded in making the gunner nauseous with vertigo, in many cases they were removed in the field.
A quote from Harold Maul who served with the 5th Air Force in the SW Pacific had the following to say.
A part of that quote points out the main difference between RL WWII japanese b25 attack methods, and AH's attack method. where he says they werent getting attacks under the bomber.
In AH. Whenever you up a C. Most people will simply Hide under it, out of range of the top turret. And you can pull up to an angle where you can get a good burst into the plane without the top turret ever being able to reach you.
Sure you can tilt the bomber, but that still isent very effective.
I think the ball turret would be very successful in AH. It DID see action on combat b25s and was not a field mod. so it Does deserve to be added and modeled. whether used or not.
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A part of that quote points out the main difference between RL WWII japanese b25 attack methods, and AH's attack method. where he says they werent getting attacks under the bomber.
In AH. Whenever you up a C. Most people will simply Hide under it, out of range of the top turret. And you can pull up to an angle where you can get a good burst into the plane without the top turret ever being able to reach you.
Sure you can tilt the bomber, but that still isent very effective.
I think the ball turret would be very successful in AH. It DID see action on combat b25s and was not a field mod. so it Does deserve to be added and modeled. whether used or not.
didnt they take the belly turret off of some B25's because it was causing sea sickness and filled the ball turret with puke? i read that on a google search earlier but not really sure...
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didnt they take the belly turret off of some B25's because it was causing sea sickness and filled the ball turret with puke? i read that on a google search earlier but not really sure...
I do not believe that any B-25 ever had a ball turret.
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I do not believe that any B-25 ever had a ball turret.
b models, powered ventral and dorsal turrets, tail gun emplacement removed.
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I do not believe that any B-25 ever had a ball turret.
Guess it depends on how you define a ball turret. The B-25's had a ventral turret that was remote controlled and was retracted when not in use. It did not have a manned ball turret like the Sperry turret you see on the B-17.
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b models, powered ventral and dorsal turrets, tail gun emplacement removed.
That is not the same as a ball turret. Manchesters and early Lancasters had a ventral turret, but not a ball turret. The B-29 also has ventral turrets, but not ball turrets.
Guess it depends on how you define a ball turret. The B-25's had a ventral turret that was remote controlled and was retracted when not in use. It did not have a manned ball turret like the Sperry turret you see on the B-17.
In order for the absurd claimed problem of it filling with puke to be the issue, I would imagine skorpion was claiming a manned ball turret.
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That is not the same as a ball turret. Manchesters and early Lancasters had a ventral turret, but not a ball turret. The B-29 also has ventral turrets, but not ball turrets.In order for the absurd claimed problem of it filling with puke to be the issue, I would imagine skorpion was claiming a manned ball turret.
Having to operate the turret from the remote position through a periscope was reported to cause nausea in some crew members, that's about all I can offer on the subject. Interestingly enough as I mentioned earlier the RAF seemed to have more success with the turret than than the Americans.