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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: 4deck on May 15, 2011, 07:56:50 AM
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Would be a nice addition for anti shipping missions. Most of these attacked convoys, but occasionally they got lucky and found a U-Boat.
Was equiped with a Molins "6-pounder Class M" cannon, a modification of the QF 6-pounder (57 mm) anti-tank gun weighing 1,580 lb (716 kg) fitted with an auto-loader to allow both semi- or fully-automatic fire, in the nose, along with two .303 in (7.7 mm) sighting machine guns.
Later version carried the even larger 32-pounder, a gun based on the QF 3.7 inch AA gun designed for tank use.
But a 6 pounder would be nice with 24 rounds.
Anyway thats my wish.
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Only 27 were built/converted from Mk VI's.
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Is this the famous "Tze Tze"? If so, there are some nice videos on YT showing this this firing. Quite violent!
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Is this the famous "Tze Tze"? If so, there are some nice videos on YT showing this this firing. Quite violent!
Yup, the Mk XVIII is the 'Tse Tse'.
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I think HTC has considered adding this variant when they released the newly remodeled Mk VI.
Personally, I would like to see the Mk IV version first (the early war unarmed bomber version). It would be a good addition for scenarios and such.
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Only 27 were built/converted from Mk VI's.
...which is comparable to the number of Ostwinds actually built, but on any given night, it's a fair bet that you'd find more of them out on a map than the Germans ever built...
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...which is comparable to the number of Ostwinds actually built, but on any given night, it's a fair bet that you'd find more of them out on a map than the Germans ever built...
If it weren't for the extra ~800lbs of engine and cockpit armor HTC could have simply added the Mollins gun as a gun load out option, disabling the bomb bay bombs at the same time, for the Mk VI.
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@ Karnak, That would be a great way to implement it.
HTC, Please make it Happen. :pray
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I reckon if the Tse Tse does happen it would probably be in conjunction the often-rumoured perked ordnance system.
I'm surprised more people don't ask for the Mossie Mk XXX. With four nose mounted Hispanos, lots of ammo and two stage Merlins, would make a nice high alt bomber interceptor.
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I reckon if the Tse Tse does happen it would probably be in conjunction the often-rumoured perked ordnance system.
I'm surprised more people don't ask for the Mossie Mk XXX. With four nose mounted Hispanos, lots of ammo and two stage Merlins, would make a nice high alt bomber interceptor.
Greebo,
I've seen the MkXXX come up in past and the tread turned into a nightfighter debate! That said ya bring on a MkXXX and then we'd have a "real" mossie! Mk16 speeds with 4 hispanos and a boatload of ammo for them!
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@ Karnak, That would be a great way to implement it.
HTC, Please make it Happen. :pray
I'm sorry, but I think you missed my point. Due to the 800lbs of armor, it cannot happen that way. There is no way for the engine to change the durability of an aircraft based on hangar choices.
Greebo,
I've seen the MkXXX come up in past and the tread turned into a nightfighter debate! That said ya bring on a MkXXX and then we'd have a "real" mossie! Mk16 speeds with 4 hispanos and a boatload of ammo for them!
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The Mosquito NF.Mk 30 had a top speed of about 424mph, so a bit faster than the Mk XVI. Its ammo supply was, as I recall, increased over the Mk VI, but it could only carry a 500lb bomb under each wing, the bomb bay being eliminated. Down low it would be ~20mph slower than the Mk VI. It did operations in daylight as well as at night.
That said, I would very much like it as a bomber hunter.
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Didn't the NF. Mk 30 have the "bull nose" configuration? If so, that would be one mean, yet ugly, mossie. :devil
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Didn't the NF. Mk 30 have the "bull nose" configuration? If so, that would be one mean, yet ugly, mossie. :devil
Yes, the NF.Mk XIII, NF.Mk XIX and NF.Mk 30 all had "bull" noses for the radar, and yes, they are ugly compared to the FB.Mk VI.
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I was in error on my prior statement. The NF.Mk XIII did not have a "bull" nose, it had a "thimble" nose.
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Only 27 were built/converted from Mk VI's.
I dont think the production number here accurately reflects their contribution to the war effort, afaik these 20+ aircraft were in pretty much constant use and rather effective. they must have had one of the highest combat sortie hours / airframe and damage done / airframe of any attack aircraft produced in WWII.
would make a very nice perked attack plane for not much extra modelling work :aok
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I'd like to see the MkXVIII included as well but I dont think it would need to be perked.
It's basically a MkVI with more weight and a big gun with,IIRC 22 rounds. If and when HTC adds the "perked Ords" option to the game I'd hope the see the 6pounder added to the MkVI loadout but I'm not sure it could be done correctly that way.
As Karnak notes they weighed 800 plus pounds more there was added armour to both engine naccels and cockpit,so I dont think it would be right to just add the gun and more weight to the MkVI and call it a MkXVIII.
Now the MkXXX,that might be a perk worhty bird,you could argue it's an attack plane as it can carry two 500lbers under the wings but it's a high alt tuned Mossie thats very fast!
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I was thinking a mild perk just for its rarity. the extra cockpit and engine armour would be very useful though ...
the time modelling the QF 6 pounder ballistics wouldnt be wasted either - it could be added to the M3 loadouts (Russian T48 57mm GMC, ~1000 produced) and was used on pretty much every British tank in case we get any of them added later.
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The armour piercing rounds from that 6 pounder gun would probably go through any GV's top armour with no problem. The Mossie's speed also makes it a more survivable ride in the MA than say the Il-2. If I was a GVer I'd want it perked.
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The armour piercing rounds from that 6 pounder gun would probably go through any GV's top armour with no problem. The Mossie's speed also makes it a more survivable ride in the MA than say the Il-2. If I was a GVer I'd want it perked.
If the extra cockpit armour is added then I guess I can conceed to a perk cost,however asuming it's in the perked ords then would a perk be required just to get the 6 pounder loadout?
One thing you find if you spend any time in a mossie is pilot wounds happen often,as fast as it would be you still have to line up for a shot and your a big target.
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+1 It meets the criteria for inclusion and sounds like a pretty darn fun variant to boot!
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It's....... glorious. +1000
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M00f5RxhxLY
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Joules at the muzzle:
Vickers Class S 40mm AP: 214,000
NS-37 37mm AP: 298,000
Molins 6 pdr 57mm AP: 989,000
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Can I have F3 mode in it........cough.....cough
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From the desk of JUGMAN
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You don't need more Mossies. We need one or two Beaufighter versions first! VIF and T Mk X. Rockets, bombs ,Torps, 4 20s and 6 303s. What more do you need? :)
And you can have your thimble nose too if you really want it :)
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Beaufighter-Mark-X.jpg)
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+1 from me as well.
Mildly perked would seem about right
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Against U-boat hulls, it was calculated that it would be able to penetrate the hull when striking at an angle of 45 degrees or more,
at a range of about 1400m, even through 60cm of water. The gun/aircraft combination was extremely accurate, achieving a hit rate
in training of 33% against tank-sized targets - compared with 5% for rocket projectiles.
Armour penetration: :uhoh
50cal Gun Mks 4-5 Weight Muzzle Velocity Armour at 500yd, 30deg Armour at 1000yd, 30deg
Shot, AP, Mks 1-7 2.8Kg 890m/s 82mm 71mm
(http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/Molins.htm (http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/Molins.htm))
edit: inspired by this thread I ordered copies of A Most Secret Squadron, Des Curtis DFC and Shipbuster, Alex Crawford yesterday at 5pm, arrived here at 8:30am today. amazon :aok
Seems there were only 17 Tsetses built, and only 13 of them saw combat, but they did ridiculous amounts of damage to enemy shipping. I havent pulled the exact numbers but it looks like about 8 U-boats sunk and another 10 or so damaged, 30+ ships sunk and more than double that damaged, a Ju-88 (confirmed) and a Bf109 (possible,) plus a few shore AA batteries. All that for 4 combat losses (2 to fighters, 2 to flak.) blimey!
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+1 for ALL mossie variants :old: