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Title: Little question about a definition:
Post by: Lusche on May 16, 2011, 07:07:54 PM
In the light of the recent GV changes and resulting arguments here on the BBS and in game I'm taking another look at the stats & numbers.
In that context I came across the term "dedicated GV driver".

Now I wonder: How much has someone to spend in tanks in AH2 to be called dedicated? Or a bomber pilot in buffs? At least 50% of his time? More than 2/3rd of his time? Or something like that AND at least XX hours minimum? I'm just looking for some kind of simple criteria for analyzing total area scores to see how many "dedicated" tankers/buff pilots there really are in a tour, but I'm unsure where to place the threshold value.





And just for the record: Posting this thread did cost me a Tempest and 35 fighter perks  :D
Title: Re: Little question about a definition:
Post by: lyric1 on May 16, 2011, 07:16:21 PM
Benchmark.


For bombers.

rainnman

For GV's.

BeLiAL.

Fighters.

Bruv119.

Title: Re: Little question about a definition:
Post by: Ack-Ack on May 16, 2011, 07:21:41 PM
In the light of the recent GV changes and resulting arguments here on the BBS and in game I'm taking another look at the stats & numbers.
In that context I came across the term "dedicated GV driver".

Now I wonder: How much has someone to spend in tanks in AH2 to be called dedicated? Or a bomber pilot in buffs? At least 50% of his time? More than 2/3rd of his time? Or something like that AND at least XX hours minimum? I'm just looking for some kind of simple criteria for analyzing total area scores to see how many "dedicated" tankers/buff pilots there really are in a tour, but I'm unsure where to place the threshold value.

I guess there is no real hard threshold standard other spending the majority of their play in a GV/fighter/bomber/etc.

ack-ack
Title: Re: Little question about a definition:
Post by: Lusche on May 16, 2011, 07:28:42 PM
Benchmark.


For bombers.

rainnman

For GV's.

BeLiAL.

Fighters.

Bruv119.



And what kind of benchmark is that?   :headscratch:
Title: Re: Little question about a definition:
Post by: Stogie on May 16, 2011, 07:29:44 PM
Maybe there has to be levels of dedication.

Truly dedicated GVer would spend no time in anything else, but a moderately dedicated may spend 50% of his time in something else.  One could go on I suppose but I need a nap now.
Title: Re: Little question about a definition:
Post by: fuzeman on May 16, 2011, 07:43:04 PM
This just begs for a pie chart. Sorry Couldn't resist.

(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d64/fuzeman/DedicatedGVer-1.jpg)


 :)   :aok    :bolt:
Title: Re: Little question about a definition:
Post by: Lusche on May 16, 2011, 07:44:15 PM
This just begs for a pie chart. Sorry Couldn't resist.

(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d64/fuzeman/DedicatedGVer-1.jpg)


 :)   :aok    :bolt:

 :lol

Well, now I don't have to do that anymore :D
Title: Re: Little question about a definition:
Post by: lyric1 on May 16, 2011, 07:45:36 PM
And what kind of benchmark is that?   :headscratch:
Mine. :neener:
Title: Re: Little question about a definition:
Post by: Plazus on May 16, 2011, 08:21:39 PM
I wouldn't use time spent in GV as the only criteria to define a dedicated GVer. Also might want to include number of sorties logged as well.

I consider myself a dedicated 38 driver. Not only are most of my times spent in 38s- but I also log a greater number of sorties in it as well.
Title: Re: Little question about a definition:
Post by: ap1102 on May 16, 2011, 08:28:53 PM
Don't forget the tower sitters category. That seems to be where I'm spending most of my time lately..............


Rhino
Title: Re: Little question about a definition:
Post by: Lusche on May 16, 2011, 08:34:12 PM
I wouldn't use time spent in GV as the only criteria to define a dedicated GVer. Also might want to include number of sorties logged as well.

I consider myself a dedicated 38 driver. Not only are most of my times spent in 38s- but I also log a greater number of sorties in it as well.

I don't see how # of sorties adds anything to it, as the sortie lengths are very different between individual sorties as well as between the different categories. Looking at the time % really shows ... well, what a player is actually doing in Aces High. ;)


Don't forget the tower sitters category. That seems to be where I'm spending most of my time lately..............

Unfortunately the time spent in tower isn't recorded anywhere  :lol
Title: Re: Little question about a definition:
Post by: phatzo on May 16, 2011, 09:04:52 PM
A simple majority of time spent in that catagory.
Title: Re: Little question about a definition:
Post by: Plazus on May 16, 2011, 09:18:54 PM
I don't see how # of sorties adds anything to it, as the sortie lengths are very different between individual sorties as well as between the different categories. Looking at the time % really shows ... well, what a player is actually doing in Aces High. ;)

What if a player logs majority of time in Spitfires but has a greater number of sorties logged in 109s (with more kills flying 109s but also more deaths). Which ride is he dedicated to? :)

I would say there are many ways in determining who is dedicated to what. Here is an example:

I am a dedicated P38 driver because I log many sorties as well as a lot of time flying it. I get most of my kills in it and I also die in it the most. I also am dedicated because I love the history. It is also my favorite plane to fly in game.
Title: Re: Little question about a definition:
Post by: prowl3r on May 16, 2011, 09:19:35 PM
belial myself dr7 i think would be a good average for "dedicated" tankers for mysekf its about 80% of the time i spend in ah.
Title: Re: Little question about a definition:
Post by: GNucks on May 16, 2011, 09:25:28 PM

And just for the record: Posting this thread did cost me a Tempest and 35 fighter perks  :D

Looks like part of the criteria for being considered a dedicated forum poster to me.
Title: Re: Little question about a definition:
Post by: Lusche on May 16, 2011, 09:32:31 PM
belial myself dr7 i think would be a good average for "dedicated" tankers for mysekf its about 80% of the time i spend in ah.

80% well, by that definition we got very, very few "dedicated" tankers ;)


Some numbers:
In tour 135, Average Joe was spending 46% of his time in Fighter, 16% in Attack, 17% in Bomber and 20% in Vehicle mode. (These numbers are quite stable and don't vary much from tour to tour)

Now, based on the 3972 players who did play at least one hour during that tour, about 10% spend at least 50% of their time in vehicles, and about 5% at least 2/3rd of their time. Coincidentally we have almost the same numbers for buff pilots.
On the other hand, about 18% of all players didn't drive vehicles at all (Again, almost the same for buffs).
Title: Re: Little question about a definition:
Post by: The Fugitive on May 16, 2011, 10:15:39 PM
A DEDICATED GVer I would think is in the 80% area as well. Average Joes close to half looks good to me as well.

Dedicated means "devoted to a purpose", which means they spend "most" of their time devoted to playing in a GV.

Maybe the term your looking for is NOT dedicated.
Title: Re: Little question about a definition:
Post by: Ghosth on May 17, 2011, 07:01:49 AM
A "dedicated" bomber pilot would spend a majority or 75% and up of his air time in bombers.

Same for GV's or anything else.

That would not necessarily be something to brag about.
For AH, I suspect the more valuable player would be one who can do most things well, including bombing, GV's etc.

The Ltar's come to mind, they did GV's well, but they also did fighters, combined opps field captures, etc.
They may not have been dedicated GV'ers, but they were well rounded and well respected.

Which is better, the "dedicated" player who does one thing, and only one thing. (1 trick pony)

Or the player who can consistently do many different things well?

Title: Re: Little question about a definition:
Post by: helbent on May 17, 2011, 07:18:37 AM
How about dedicated dweeb?

What % time spent hugging ack, stick stirring, hoing, ramming, running, cord pulling and crying is required to achieve such a distinction?
Title: Re: Little question about a definition:
Post by: R 105 on May 17, 2011, 09:22:25 AM
 Speaking of dedicated tankers I have seen little of Ronda or Dr-7. My hole squad disappeared into World of tanks maybe that is where these guys went. With HTC's GV changes the tanks in AH are far better then WoT except for the very short drive to get into action in WoT. With the cost of fuel now days good thing we ain't paying for it here in AH world. With these long spawn drives we have no one would be a dedicated tanks lol.
Title: Re: Little question about a definition:
Post by: SmokinLoon on May 17, 2011, 09:44:50 AM
"Specialized" might be a better word.  I used to be an "attack" specialist (via Mossi runs, of course!), if you will.  But with the vast improvements to the gv game my attention has swayed a bit towards tank battles.  The ground game is very different and it is hard not to enjoy the broader dynamics.

Title: Re: Little question about a definition:
Post by: shiv on May 17, 2011, 09:46:56 AM
60% of one thing makes you a dedicated one thinger.

And 4 hours if you really need a minimum hours value.
Title: Re: Little question about a definition:
Post by: Easyscor on May 17, 2011, 12:48:43 PM
I think you answered your question above, "about 10% spend at least 50% of their time in vehicles." The same would apply to buffs, or any other ride type I think. Spend less then 50% of your in-flight time in any given ride type, and I don't think you can be called dedicated to it.

The funny thing is that some of us met this definition at one time, and still think of ourselves as dedicated this or that, but haven't spent anywhere near that amount of time in those rides in a great long while. I'm still a dedicated buff pilot by gawd!  :lol
Title: Re: Little question about a definition:
Post by: waystin2 on May 17, 2011, 01:48:21 PM
I would say that by HTC's breakdown of activities-Fighter, Bomber, Attack & Vehicles then the vehicle category would need to make up an overwhelming majority of the overall sorties & time spent in game.  Mind you this is not a measure of skill, just dedication as Fugitive pointed out.
Title: Re: Little question about a definition:
Post by: Belial on May 17, 2011, 04:39:37 PM
Hours mean little to being a dedicated gv'er....

A dedicated gv'er means you can't find a gv fight so you say..OKKK...i'll fly or bomb.

But you are always looking for that good gv fight like a fighter jock looks for a furball.
Title: Re: Little question about a definition:
Post by: Lusche on May 17, 2011, 04:43:27 PM
Hours mean little to being a dedicated gv'er....

A dedicated gv'er means you can't find a gv fight so you say..OKKK...i'll fly or bomb.

But you are always looking for that good gv fight like a fighter jock looks for a furball.


Which would in effect result in a higher percentage of time spent in vehicle mode than in others ;)

And that's all I'm looking for - quantitative statements, not any judgment about "quality", the score sheets do not show such a thing  :)
Title: Re: Little question about a definition:
Post by: 1ybuzz on May 17, 2011, 05:53:30 PM
I would have to say that 50% to 55% of time spent in any one mode would make that person dedicated to that mode. This only leaves 16.666% to 15% left to the other three modes.
Title: Re: Little question about a definition:
Post by: sparow on May 17, 2011, 06:11:04 PM

And just for the record: Posting this thread did cost me a Tempest and 35 fighter perks  :D

Don't post and fly Lusche, you should know better!  :D

Cheers,