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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Wayout on May 17, 2011, 07:44:32 AM
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Search the Internet? The results you're getting are not what you think.
http://wimp.com/filterbubbles/ (http://wimp.com/filterbubbles/)
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Interesting vid, thanks!
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very interesting...been noticing some of that happening over the last 5 years more and more.
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Yep. What's really going to scare you is that this isn't a random algorithm, it is planned.
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Well, it maybe bad when looking for news randomly (like in his example by just typing Egypt). However, it does not stop anyone from taking the time to type a couple of extra words to find what they are looking for. Example: Crisis in Egypt. Those three words would have given you the information you were looking for with no problems, but then this guy would not have a presentation to make. Just like everything else, it is a tool. If used right it helps (i ll give you an example next). If you just type "Greece" and you got tourist info instead of the economical news on it, "YOU" used the tool incorrectly but it did try to do the best it could to bring you some results. Try "Greece economy". One extra word and things are not so scary anymore. But again, no presentation to make.
Now, how does it help? I do a lot of searches related to Java, C++, and financial calculations for example. Because of the information gathered from my searches, I can just type a couple of words and the results produced are almost always right on. Imagine having to search for something technical that you don;t know the name of. How would you do it? Because of the filters though, I can just type Java and one more word and the results I will get will be tailored to the financial industry or at list stuff I have been playing around with.
This is another case of conspiracy theories from people that are just refusing to understand how technology can help them while their VCR is flashing 12:00 for the past 10 years. But they do have purchased DVD re-winders. Thankfully, there is always someone to take advantage of peoples fears and make some cool videos.
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For a minute there I thought the OP was referring to the album from the band Bubble Puppy.....MAN I need to pull out the old vinyl album and listen to that again!
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Well, it maybe bad when looking for news randomly (like in his example by just typing Egypt). However, it does not stop anyone from taking the time to type a couple of extra words to find what they are looking for. Example: Crisis in Egypt. Those three words would have given you the information you were looking for with no problems, but then this guy would not have a presentation to make. Just like everything else, it is a tool. If used right it helps (i ll give you an example next). If you just type "Greece" and you got tourist info instead of the economical news on it, "YOU" used the tool incorrectly but it did try to do the best it could to bring you some results. Try "Greece economy". One extra word and things are not so scary anymore. But again, no presentation to make.
Now, how does it help? I do a lot of searches related to Java, C++, and financial calculations for example. Because of the information gathered from my searches, I can just type a couple of words and the results produced are almost always right on. Imagine having to search for something technical that you don;t know the name of. How would you do it? Because of the filters though, I can just type Java and one more word and the results I will get will be tailored to the financial industry or at list stuff I have been playing around with.
This is another case of conspiracy theories from people that are just refusing to understand how technology can help them while their VCR is flashing 12:00 for the past 10 years. But they do have purchased DVD re-winders. Thankfully, there is always someone to take advantage of peoples fears and make some cool videos.
Sure that works for Google or search engines, but what about Social Media sites like FB that he mentions is moderating what people post?
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Sure that works for Google or search engines, but what about Social Media sites like FB that he mentions is moderating what people post?
Those are privately owned. Use of them is a choice. They are multimillion $$$ operations (should I say billion) that need to be financed some how in order to be free for us. Of coarse they will do anything they can to make a dollar. I don;t understand why we act like we own stuff on the net. If we payed for these services then it would be a different deal.
Back to that movie though, the guy opens up by using an example of two guys typing Egypt on a browser and being amazed that different people got dif results. Then somehow he relates that to freedom of information and the internet. He is completely off base here since typing "Egypt News" would have given both of them what they wanted. Instead, he made this some kind of conspiracy to hide informatio9n from us. Posters followed right away explaining that it is scary because the search algos are like that by design. Well, duh :rofl
The net is free and unrestricted. All you got to do is write your own browser and search engine.
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I didn't have time to watch it all the way through... What is it that this guy is selling?
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I didn't have time to watch it all the way through... What is it that this guy is selling?
His own book (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Filter-Bubble-What-Internet-Hiding/dp/067092038X)
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His own book (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Filter-Bubble-What-Internet-Hiding/dp/067092038X)
I knew he had to be selling something.
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Well, it maybe bad when looking for news randomly (like in his example by just typing Egypt). However, it does not stop anyone from taking the time to type a couple of extra words to find what they are looking for. Example: Crisis in Egypt. Those three words would have given you the information you were looking for with no problems, but then this guy would not have a presentation to make. Just like everything else, it is a tool. If used right it helps (i ll give you an example next). If you just type "Greece" and you got tourist info instead of the economical news on it, "YOU" used the tool incorrectly but it did try to do the best it could to bring you some results. Try "Greece economy". One extra word and things are not so scary anymore. But again, no presentation to make.
Now, how does it help? I do a lot of searches related to Java, C++, and financial calculations for example. Because of the information gathered from my searches, I can just type a couple of words and the results produced are almost always right on. Imagine having to search for something technical that you don;t know the name of. How would you do it? Because of the filters though, I can just type Java and one more word and the results I will get will be tailored to the financial industry or at list stuff I have been playing around with.
This is another case of conspiracy theories from people that are just refusing to understand how technology can help them while their VCR is flashing 12:00 for the past 10 years. But they do have purchased DVD re-winders. Thankfully, there is always someone to take advantage of peoples fears and make some cool videos.
Agreed.
Also, I think if a person is relying exclusively on Google or Facebook to get their news, they're doing it wrong.
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I understand your points and agree with what your saying, but don't you think the idea of censoring posts on FB because of the information contained therein might conflict with another persons interest is just bad business?
I joined to stay connected to my friends, no matter what they believe or crazy stuff they may post. Doesn't seem like censorship would be a sustainable practice in a social media website like FB. But I guess Zuckerbergs profits prove otherwise huh? :lol
What do you think about Google collecting personal information from WIFI networks during their Google Street View Mapping? They provide a free service of Google Maps & Earth, does this entitle them to mine info off unprotected WIFI networks?
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I understand your points and agree with what your saying, but don't you think the idea of censoring posts on FB because of the information contained therein might conflict with another persons interest is just bad business?
I joined to stay connected to my friends, no matter what they believe or crazy stuff they may post. Doesn't seem like censorship would be a sustainable practice in a social media website like FB. But I guess Zuckerbergs profits prove otherwise huh? :lol
What do you think about Google collecting personal information from WIFI networks during their Google Street View Mapping? They provide a free service of Google Maps & Earth, does this entitle them to mine info off unprotected WIFI networks?
Censorship is a bad word for it. There's tons of stuff that goes through your Facebook Newsfeed, not all of it is shown because that would just be information overload. Facebook gives preference to showing things that you show patterns of interacting with (taking interest in), to give you the most relevant feed it can. You get more status updates etc. from people you interact with on a regular basis, it's just Facebook's way of making the site easier to use. What happens is that the guy doesn't click on the links, doesn't talk to those people, and generally doesn't show any interest to them to Facebook and so Facebook just thinks he doesn't care about them, and that it's pointless to show them. They're not trying to keep his eyes closed to other viewpoints, he just doesn't care about them so they're just phased out.
Saying this is censorship is like saying American TV is censored because Al Jazeera, BBC News, RT etc. aren't easily available in the cheapest packages, you either have to get the super-mega packages or order them for yourself. Most Americans simply aren't going to take much interest in those channels so they're not given priority.
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Good post, thanks Motherland. I could see how this could be a logistics nightmare for Facebook. I also understand when you say most Americans won't take much interest in those cable channels.
Most people aren't concerned that information is filtered for their consumption and because of this they become absorbed with the only information they read, see and hear.
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I understand your points and agree with what your saying, but don't you think the idea of censoring posts on FB because of the information contained therein might conflict with another persons interest is just bad business?
How is it different than censoring posts in this BBS? We may not like it but FB belongs to someone and I am sure you electronically signed some kind of an agreement in order to use it. Basically, even though no one reads the agreement, they have agreed that FB can do what they are complaining about.
I joined to stay connected to my friends, no matter what they believe or crazy stuff they may post. Doesn't seem like censorship would be a sustainable practice in a social media website like FB. But I guess Zuckerbergs profits prove otherwise huh? :lol
It is not censorship. They are not a government agency. They provide a free service that we are free to refuse to use. Just like this BBS.
What do you think about Google collecting personal information from WIFI networks during their Google Street View Mapping? They provide a free service of Google Maps & Earth, does this entitle them to mine info off unprotected WIFI networks?
Somehow I missed that. What do I think or are they entitled to? Without double checking, I think they are for the same reasons we are allowed to have radar detectors. I think there is some law out there about broadcasting. Anything anyone broadcasts is free for everyone to receive (explains why you don;t get charged for regular tv). So, if you choose to broadcast with your wireless router without any security or encryption, anyone can receive that information. I don;t think they can legally use the service or decrypt the information, but we are serenely free to receive your broadcast. I would check on this though since I don;t remember 100%. I read it a looooooong time ago lol.
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Agreed.
Also, I think if a person is relying exclusively on Google or Facebook to get their news, they're doing it wrong.
Yep, relying exclusively on anything from ideas, beliefs, information, income . . . . . . anything really, is just asking for trouble.
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Yep, relying exclusively on anything from ideas, beliefs, information, income . . . . . . anything really, is just asking for trouble.
I can agree there. But we're still seeing censorship by its true definition. Just because they put in a contract, disclaimer or the BBS rules that they will do it doesn't make it anything less. Your just consenting to be censored if you violate the rules or meet the requirements of their algorithms.
I don't have a problem with what they do, be it FB, Google or the Aces High BBS, I obey the rules and terms of service for the most part :) I'm just in agreement with the speaker in the video, perhaps this is hurting the Internet and not helping it.
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This only shows how much power Google has and how dangerous it is long term to source it for information.
They say they're not evil. But who stops them? They can basically alter a countrys stock market by routing peoples interests to certain sites instead of others - and exploit that on the stock market. Pretty cool way to invest in futures when you can create the trend! All because so large percentage of people are googling what they'll want to shop before they actually do that.
They can crush sales on a product by popping negative information about it and adding favourable articles of a competitor etc. They're in a position no government or person ever has been before and only the stock market as a controller.
I became concerned about the 'bubble' already years ago when I noticed that my search results were heavily biased on local hits instead of showing what I really wanted to find.
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I can agree there. But we're still seeing censorship by its true definition. Just because they put in a contract, disclaimer or the BBS rules that they will do it doesn't make it anything less. Your just consenting to be censored if you violate the rules or meet the requirements of their algorithms.
I don't have a problem with what they do, be it FB, Google or the Aces High BBS, I obey the rules and terms of service for the most part :) I'm just in agreement with the speaker in the video, perhaps this is hurting the Internet and not helping it.
I guess it censorship by some definition but they own the site. They should also be free to do what ever they want with it since it is theirs right? We can do what ever we also want from not using their site to creating our own.
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This only shows how much power Google has and how dangerous it is long term to source it for information.
They say they're not evil. But who stops them? They can basically alter a countrys stock market by routing peoples interests to certain sites instead of others - and exploit that on the stock market. Pretty cool way to invest in futures when you can create the trend! All because so large percentage of people are googling what they'll want to shop before they actually do that.
They can crush sales on a product by popping negative information about it and adding favourable articles of a competitor etc. They're in a position no government or person ever has been before and only the stock market as a controller.
I became concerned about the 'bubble' already years ago when I noticed that my search results were heavily biased on local hits instead of showing what I really wanted to find.
That could apply to anything. Who stops the government? At list with the evil googles you have control. You can stop them by not using their site and they could get in legal trouble if they step out of line. Why are you worried so mach when you have absolute control over what effect they have on you. Don;t use their site if you are afraid of them. There are plenty others out there and you can always create your own and then have people tell you what you should do with it after you give it to them for free.
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That could apply to anything. Who stops the government? At list with the evil googles you have control. You can stop them by not using their site and they could get in legal trouble if they step out of line. Why are you worried so mach when you have absolute control over what effect they have on you. Don;t use their site if you are afraid of them. There are plenty others out there and you can always create your own and then have people tell you what you should do with it after you give it to them for free.
I guess you fail to grasp the share of search market Google currently holds. Even Bing copies its results from Google.
Who stops the government? Last time I checked I didn't use any government search engines to look for information. Yes they do have content filters but even those can be bypassed by using opendns. The government would need to have total control over ISPs in order to shape the traffic in some way - and to my knowledge this is being implemented only in North Korea and China.
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I guess you fail to grasp the share of search market Google currently holds. Even Bing copies its results from Google.
Who stops the government? Last time I checked I didn't use any government search engines to look for information. Yes they do have content filters but even those can be bypassed by using opendns. The government would need to have total control over ISPs in order to shape the traffic in some way - and to my knowledge this is being implemented only in North Korea and China.
You assumed I was talking only about search engines. I was talking about the control every one else has over your life but you are only worried about the one you can actually control - the evil search engines :lol. I think the only one failing here is you understanding that you do not have to use Google, you do not own Google, Google does not report to you and that typing two words instead of one in the search box could do wonders for you. It is a free service sir. Use it if you like or create your own. Let me know if you do so I can tell you how to run it k?
WTH is using Bing? :rofl
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You assumed I was talking only about search engines. I was talking about the control every one else has over your life but you are only worried about the one you can actually control - the evil search engines :lol. I think the only one failing here is you understanding that you do not have to use Google, you do not own Google, Google does not report to you and that typing two words instead of one in the search box could do wonders for you. It is a free service sir. Use it if you like or create your own. Let me know if you do so I can tell you how to run it k?
WTH is using Bing? :rofl
Heheh your arrogance is a great testament of your ignorance. Ta-ta.
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Heheh your arrogance is a great testament of your ignorance. Ta-ta.
Thank you for you very informed and meaningful contributions to this thread :rofl
Shhhhhh, the Googles and the internets are watching you :noid