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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Tupac on May 17, 2011, 05:18:39 PM
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http://4petsonline.com/exer-hide/
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Ive known this for years....my uncle is a vet, he said they are very bad for dogs because they can swallow entire pieces of the hide and can choke them along with cause intestinal track problems.
-BigBOBCH
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Yup, known of this from my vet for a while. Still plenty of things out there to spoil our best friend's with though.
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Thanks for the heads up man :aok
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Yeah, not much good about a rawhide chew. Supposedly those made in the US are ok....
We don't throw sticks for our dog. She's a mini-Aussie and very aggressively retrieves what is thrown so we've been concerned she might ram a stick down her throat on the catch. Well, she sound a small piece of drift wood (maybe 10 inches long, 1 inch in diameter) that she was carrying around on the docks. She must of had it sticking out like a cigar and stubbed it in the dock boards...wife her her make a gurgling yelp and saw her heading back to the boat. She was gagging and spitting up blood with blood running out of both nostrils. UH OH!! Off to the vet, had a laceration in the back of her throat, had already stopped bleeding. Got some antibiotics and pain meds for her....total bill $37!! (Small town vets are cool)
She's doing well now....thinking about framing the stick.
(http://www.dalefalk.com/photos/683160781_e8LDE-L.jpg)
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Nice looking dog colmbo wish I could get my lab to stay still for a picture.
I would never give any dog any sort of rawhide, it just doesn't seem natural. Give your pup an actual bone, and a big one at that. You never see a happier face unless it's sticking out the front passenger window.
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This is actually one of the smaller bone we've given her. Never met a medium/large dog that has turned these things down.
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My dog this morning going on a car ride with me to acquire tacos!
(plus, chicks dig dogs)
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My wittle girl. Pit/Lab Monster
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We only give her bones, and she goes through them like food.
-BigBOBCH
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My wittle girl. Pit/Lab Monster
(http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee239/bigbobCH/230444_218590441500291_100000480101864_846741_2974146_n.jpg)
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We only give her bones, and she goes through them like food.
-BigBOBCH
she is Beautiful :aok
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she is Beautiful :aok
Thanks :aok
Everyone uses the stereotype that pits are these mean dogs. Abbey is sooooo nice. I mean she does bark at people she doesn't know, or dogs she doesn't know. But if she knows you she is one of the nicest dogs ever.
-BigBOBCH
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Thanks :aok
Everyone uses the stereotype that pits are these mean dogs. Abbey is sooooo nice. I mean she does bark at people she doesn't know, or dogs she doesn't know. But if she knows you she is one of the nicest dogs ever.
-BigBOBCH
Ive studied APBT for many years.....absolutely love those dogs, by far my favorite, I try very hard to get rid of the stereotype that has been placed upon them,but people are ignorant. A true APBT will be one of the friendliest dogs you can find, they were breed to love people, they made the worst guard dogs,because of that reason. only in the 20th century have they been distorted by improper breeding, they have lost that Game for fighting and the love of people that was so prevalent in the breed.
A true APBT is very hard to find now a days, they are out there though.
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Ive studied APBT for many years.....absolutely love those dogs, by far my favorite, I try very hard to get rid of the stereotype that has been placed upon them,but people are ignorant. A true APBT will be one of the friendliest dogs you can find, they were breed to love people, they made the worst guard dogs,because of that reason. only in the 20th century have they been distorted by improper breeding, they have lost that Game for fighting and the love of people that was so prevalent in the breed.
A true APBT is very hard to find now a days, they are out there though.
Yeah, her parents were both fighters...my uncle is a vet and brought her to our house about 8 months after our first dog died at 14 years old. And we kept her, I dont understand how ANYONE can watch two dogs fight each other. You have to be messed up in the head.
-BigBOBCH
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Ive studied APBT for many years.....absolutely love those dogs, by far my favorite, I try very hard to get rid of the stereotype that has been placed upon them,but people are ignorant. A true APBT will be one of the friendliest dogs you can find, they were breed to love people, they made the worst guard dogs,because of that reason. only in the 20th century have they been distorted by improper breeding, they have lost that Game for fighting and the love of people that was so prevalent in the breed.
A true APBT is very hard to find now a days, they are out there though.
Let me first say that I like APBT's. I know people with the breed and I have friends who breed them. In fact my sons baby sitter whom we used to have watch him 5 days a week while we were at work when he was a toddler had a APBT. I knew the dog well and had no qualms about leaving him there.
The problem with the breed is not so much that they are more likely to attack. But that they tend to cause so much more damage when they do.
Unfortunately. The stats do little to dispel the myth that they are more aggressive then other breeds. Again. because they tend to cause so much more damage when they do attack.
And the difference is by no small margin
Between 1982-2010 PBT's are responsible for 1652 bites that caused bodily harm. And 166 deaths The next highest number is the rottie with 457/73
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_SQNnlBjGCW8/TToiWvIKdSI/AAAAAAAAADo/ncaL4324mHY/s1600/dog-bite-chart-1982-2010.jpg)
In all fairness. I would personally attribute a good deal of attacks to poor ownership. entirely too many people get APBTs because they want a badarse dog. And to a certain extent I can see the appeal to that. Much like I can see the appeal of owning a 357 magnum over a 9mm. But unlike a 357 or a 9mm Dogs can go off by themselves
Thing is. No matter what dog you own you have to remember that they are still animals with animal tendancies. My golden that I had to put down a couple months ago once bit my daughter on the mouth when she was little (at which point I proved that dogs can fly) Turns out that she decided to join him in chewing on his chew toy. Something I couldnt place too much blame entirely on him over because people dont like when you start eating their food either. Still. Afterwards I spent alot of time teaching him where he was in the pack so that would never happen again to the point where you could stick your face in his dish while he was eating at he would back off. Still you could always see he didnt like it. He'd raise lip. but he wold back off.
Any event. After several stitches in her lip She currently still carries a small scar on her lower lip from the incident.
Different dogs have different bite tendancies too. Goldens when they bite tend to do a quick nip then let go. At which point they are immediately sorry for it. So the damage is usually pretty minimal. He bit me on several other occasions when I was rough housing with kids and one other person who was trying to grab my extremely submissive lab. Each time was the same a quick nip then let go
I shudder to think how bad it would have been if it were a PB. Or a boxer or any number of other dogs who tend to take big or more powerful bites when they do bite.
Fact of the matter is. When they bite they can and have a tendency to cause alot more damage then many other dog breeds
The top 3 most agressive breeds are the dachshund, chihuahua, and the Jack Russell terrier. But they dont usually cause alot of damage when they bite. Lets face it. When was the last time anyone heard of someone being maimed or killed by a chihuahua?
One of the very things that make APBTs appealing are the things that can make them dangerous. Very powerful dog. Unfortunately they also have a very powerful bite.
In the end it mostly comes down to responsible dog ownership and knowing your dog.
the people that used to watch my son were my friends parents. Very responsible owners Very well trained well mannered dog
Their daughter and her husband are the breeders and friends of mine. Also very responsible owners. Yet they also recognize the dangers that these dogs can be. and as soon as one shows any signs of being aggressive after training. They put it down. No second chances. they are among the growing number who are working to breed the aggressiveness out of the breed and will only breed with other pits that they know to be non aggressive.
The families son also a long time friend of mine is what I would categorize as an irresponsible owner. So aggressive are his dogs that despite his assurances that they wont do anything. I refused to enter his yard or his home while they were out and would only approach his yard with buck knife in hand assuring him that if his dogs so much as came near me I wouldn't hesitate to kill them. Eventually I just stopped going over his house altogether. They were just too unpredictable.
Any dog no matter the breed can bite. But the bites on some dogs are worse then others APBTs are among those with the higher capability and likelyhood that a bite is going to be more severe. i place most of the responsibility on the owners though. As they need to realize that like with a gun. They possess a potentially deadly weapon. and must act in such a manner
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Ive studied APBT for many years.....absolutely love those dogs, by far my favorite, I try very hard to get rid of the stereotype that has been placed upon them,but people are ignorant. A true APBT will be one of the friendliest dogs you can find, they were breed to love people, they made the worst guard dogs,because of that reason. only in the 20th century have they been distorted by improper breeding, they have lost that Game for fighting and the love of people that was so prevalent in the breed.
A true APBT is very hard to find now a days, they are out there though.
Can we take a look at the core issue so many pitbull owners hate to acknowledge?
My dogs are two of the sweetest and best trained dogs you'll ever see - one belongs in a circus act. Regardless, they are my responsibility, and therefore I have purchased insurance that will cover any torts inflicted by them. If they bite someone, I can cover that person's medical bills and MAKE THINGS RIGHT. I do not rely on the whimsical fantasy that my dogs are infallible and incapable of ever making a mistake.
I understand that it is very difficult, and likely expensive, to find an insurance company that will cover a pitbull (amongst other breeds). Therefore, I have a few questions for every DOG owner, regardless of breed:
1. Were you responsible enough to find and purchase an insurance policy that will cover the public against losses caused by your dog's actions?
2. If not, do you personally have enough wealth or assets to cover the public against losses caused by your dog's actions?
If the answer to these are "no," then you have no business owning a dog. Forgot "pitbull," "DOG" in general. Put it to sleep, or give it up for adoption to someone who actually is responsible enough to care about other people than themselves.
If the answer to even one is "yes," then go right ahead and keep it. Hey, if you own a house or other sizable assets and feel like gambling with them, then by all means, go ahead. When my medical bills need to be paid, I don't particularly care if they come from your insurance company or out of your mortgage. That was YOUR choice, after all.
My gripe is not with those who can make things right. My gripe is with those people who are essentially "judgment proof," have no assets, no insurance, and no regard for their personal responsibilities, or anyone else at all.
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Specific dental chews from your vet are ok.
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Dogs Rule.
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Panzer, Brendle, and Abby. (L to R)
photo was taken May '10 (disregard date stamp, too dumb to remember to set it after I changed the batteries) and they were 9 months, 12 months, and 14 months old, respectively. Boy they're bigger now! Brendle (center) weighs in at about 120lbs now. She's a pit bull and yellow lab mix... and I truly don't think there has ever been a more meek, mild, sweeter, or more docile dog ever created. Ever.
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Abby is the one you have to watch out for.... she thinks she's a 1-dog circus act and has to be the craziest dog I've ever known!
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Let me first say that I like APBT's. I know people with the breed and I have friends who breed them. In fact my sons baby sitter whom we used to have watch him 5 days a week while we were at work when he was a toddler had a APBT. I knew the dog well and had no qualms about leaving him there.
The problem with the breed is not so much that they are more likely to attack. But that they tend to cause so much more damage when they do.
Unfortunately. The stats do little to dispel the myth that they are more aggressive then other breeds. Again. because they tend to cause so much more damage when they do attack.
And the difference is by no small margin
Between 1982-2010 PBT's are responsible for 1652 bites that caused bodily harm. And 166 deaths The next highest number is the rottie with 457/73
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_SQNnlBjGCW8/TToiWvIKdSI/AAAAAAAAADo/ncaL4324mHY/s1600/dog-bite-chart-1982-2010.jpg)
In all fairness. I would personally attribute a good deal of attacks to poor ownership. entirely too many people get APBTs because they want a badarse dog. And to a certain extent I can see the appeal to that. Much like I can see the appeal of owning a 357 magnum over a 9mm. But unlike a 357 or a 9mm Dogs can go off by themselves
Thing is. No matter what dog you own you have to remember that they are still animals with animal tendancies. My golden that I had to put down a couple months ago once bit my daughter on the mouth when she was little (at which point I proved that dogs can fly) Turns out that she decided to join him in chewing on his chew toy. Something I couldnt place too much blame entirely on him over because people dont like when you start eating their food either. Still. Afterwards I spent alot of time teaching him where he was in the pack so that would never happen again to the point where you could stick your face in his dish while he was eating at he would back off. Still you could always see he didnt like it. He'd raise lip. but he wold back off.
Any event. After several stitches in her lip She currently still carries a small scar on her lower lip from the incident.
Different dogs have different bite tendancies too. Goldens when they bite tend to do a quick nip then let go. At which point they are immediately sorry for it. So the damage is usually pretty minimal. He bit me on several other occasions when I was rough housing with kids and one other person who was trying to grab my extremely submissive lab. Each time was the same a quick nip then let go
I shudder to think how bad it would have been if it were a PB. Or a boxer or any number of other dogs who tend to take big or more powerful bites when they do bite.
Fact of the matter is. When they bite they can and have a tendency to cause alot more damage then many other dog breeds
The top 3 most agressive breeds are the dachshund, chihuahua, and the Jack Russell terrier. But they dont usually cause alot of damage when they bite. Lets face it. When was the last time anyone heard of someone being maimed or killed by a chihuahua?
One of the very things that make APBTs appealing are the things that can make them dangerous. Very powerful dog. Unfortunately they also have a very powerful bite.
In the end it mostly comes down to responsible dog ownership and knowing your dog.
the people that used to watch my son were my friends parents. Very responsible owners Very well trained well mannered dog
Their daughter and her husband are the breeders and friends of mine. Also very responsible owners. Yet they also recognize the dangers that these dogs can be. and as soon as one shows any signs of being aggressive after training. They put it down. No second chances. they are among the growing number who are working to breed the aggressiveness out of the breed and will only breed with other pits that they know to be non aggressive.
The families son also a long time friend of mine is what I would categorize as an irresponsible owner. So aggressive are his dogs that despite his assurances that they wont do anything. I refused to enter his yard or his home while they were out and would only approach his yard with buck knife in hand assuring him that if his dogs so much as came near me I wouldn't hesitate to kill them. Eventually I just stopped going over his house altogether. They were just too unpredictable.
Any dog no matter the breed can bite. But the bites on some dogs are worse then others APBTs are among those with the higher capability and likelyhood that a bite is going to be more severe. i place most of the responsibility on the owners though. As they need to realize that like with a gun. They possess a potentially deadly weapon. and must act in such a manner
you kept a dog after it bit your daughter? I would have buried its dead body.
I know many people who own "pitts" and breed them....do you know how many actually have a true APBT? one....
but, but they are registered as APBT's......does not matter.
those stats are wrong. plain and simple.
A true APBT will not just bite people, the dogs that are "pitts" today and for the last 20+ years, are not true APBT, they are cross breed curs that "look" like APBT.
a true APBT, is a dog that can get his front leg ripped off and still show no signs of aggression towards its handlers.
I would bet my life on it that every one of those bites attributed to APBT were not full blooded APBT and most of them were not even part APBT.
trust me a true pitt wont attack people.
guaranteed 100% of those dogs were not APBT.
take Reaper90 very nice looking brindle in the middle....120 lbs....wrong(yes I know he is a cross breed, but he didn't get the 120lbs from a yellow lab)
every body thinks a Pitt is a big badass dog....and it aint, its a small dog, that should never weigh more then 60 lbs, and is preferable to be around 50 lbs.
they think Pitts have huge wide chests and this is just not the case, and is so wrong its absurd.
an APBT in fighting weight is around 45 lbs.
in the 70's people wanted to show there dogs in a "show" ring so some changed the dogs name to "staffordshire terrier" come to find out there was a dog with that name already so the name became "American staffordshire terrier" these people started breeding there APBT with other breeds of dogs such as Mastiffs and larger breeds of the sort to get the bigger more impressive size with the same "look".
well these dogs are what you get, dogs that lost the game to fight, and the love of people, two of the main qualities of the American Pitbull Terrier.
are these4 pics of Pitts? I am sure most of you will all say YES...and you would all Be WRONG.
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(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w246/fieldsofink/stank_01.jpg)_absolutly hate this dog.
(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w246/fieldsofink/apbt-12.jpg)_this one you can really see the great dane in his blood
Here are some true APBT.....unless you were truly hurting their owner...these dogs would NEVER attack a person NEVER
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A true American Pitbull Terrier would not attack people, it was breed in them as much as wanting to fight other dogs. they just would not attack people, they made the worst Guard dogs period, they LOVE people and would let a burglar into the house and not attack him.
sad thing is no matter what truths are showed people have their idea's and no one can prove them wrong.
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Looks like we are getting a great pyranese on Friday. She is getting spayed tomorrow.
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Yeah, mine is Pit/lab and she is one of the sweetest dogs ever. I mean when you play with her, she will just roll around and chase after you and try to play.
-BigBOBCH
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take Reaper90 very nice looking brindle in the middle....120 lbs....wrong(yes I know he is a cross breed, but he didn't get the 120lbs from a yellow lab)
Well Ink, in all honesty, she is a rescue dog... the mix of dogs I mentioned was based on our vet's opinion of what she may be.. there's no telling what other bloodlines run in any of those 3 dogs, being mixed breeds and all. Hell, for all I know she could be 1/32 poodle. :rofl That being said, don't think for one second that lab genes couldn't attribute to that kind of size, if you have any doubt I'll introduce you to Gracie, our neighbor's Lab (pure bred AKC registered) who mainly from a combination of diet and lack of exercise tips the scales at just over 140 lbs :O. I refer to Gracie as "the Grizzly Bear that lives next door!" I promise you, Brendle is well fed as well, she eats Pedigree large breed plus whatever we're eating for dinner!
And you're right and I agree 110% - pure APBT (even the bastardizations that have resulted from all the breeding in or different dogs for different reasons) would not attack people, any more than any other dog would. The thing that Dred's chart does not show is the number of attacks per unit of population.... just looking at the dogs on the chart, the mastiff, chow, and Rotty are actually more dangerous than the Pit, when you factor in the % of population (i.e. the Mastiff, for example, has much lower numbers than the pit in all categories, but it also represents 1/50th the population that the Pit does. If there were 50 times as many Mastiffs, and their population equaled that of the pit, based on the numbers here you'd expect to see more deaths, bodily injuries, and maimings than you would from Pits) that each breed makes up. Half of the other dogs listed also are equally as dangerous individually, they just aren't as numerous so their gross numbers aren't as high.
The other thing to note is that the chart is "ordered based on numbers of deaths, and all breeds are not represented" - i.e. there are other breeds of dogs that represent a much higher percentage of total attacks on people, but because the attacks didn't result in as many deaths they don't make the chart. If I remember correctly, I read once that the dog that accounts for more attacks on people each year in the US is actually the Golden Retriever. So, yeh, the chart is purposefully presenting the data in a manner that makes it look as if the Pit is more dangerous than it actually is, relative to other dogs.
Me personally I would list the Jack Russell as the most hateful, evil dog known to man, having been places on Earth by Satan himself, but that's just my opinion based on having been attacked by 3 dogs in my life, all 3 times by 3 different Jack Russells. I've owned Labs, Shar Pei's, pits, boxers, German Shepherds, and mutts in every shape and form... and never have I seen a breed as hateful and evil as the Jack Russell. They should be outlawed and exterminated. :rolleyes:
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That was an interesting history about the purity of the breed, Ink. I can definitely see the difference now that you've pointed it out.
Regardless, what I had to say in my post applies to everything from a Mastiff to a Maltese. I wouldn't think less of a person just because they own a certain breed of dog, but if that person is snubbing their nose at society by owning a dog when they have no possible means of paying for any damages inflicted by it, then I have a legitimate issue with that person, just as I would have a legitimate issue with someone driving a car around on public streets without either insurance, or assets that can be forfeited to cover losses.
Given that many insurance companies either outright refuse to cover pitbulls*, or charge an arm and a leg to do so, I have to assume that I have a legitimate issue with a great many people, ESPECIALLY considering just how many of these "pitbulls" come walking out of obviously-rented dwellings... Guess who pays for the damage if one of their dogs bites? It sure isn't the owner...
*or what society currently mistakenly calls a pitbull, if that suits you better.
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That was an interesting history about the purity of the breed, Ink. I can definitely see the difference now that you've pointed it out.
Regardless, what I had to say in my post applies to everything from a Mastiff to a Maltese. I wouldn't think less of a person just because they own a certain breed of dog, but if that person is snubbing their nose at society by owning a dog when they have no possible means of paying for any damages inflicted by it, then I have a legitimate issue with that person, just as I would have a legitimate issue with someone driving a car around on public streets without either insurance, or assets that can be forfeited to cover losses.
Given that many insurance companies either outright refuse to cover pitbulls*, or charge an arm and a leg to do so, I have to assume that I have a legitimate issue with a great many people, ESPECIALLY considering just how many of these "pitbulls" come walking out of obviously-rented dwellings... Guess who pays for the damage if one of their dogs bites? It sure isn't the owner...
*or what society currently mistakenly calls a pitbull, if that suits you better.
<S> I do understand what you are saying.
I just get worked up when it comes to the APBT, they have such a bad rap, and truly they are the best dog you could get for your family, you will not find a more loving loyal, courageous, friendly dog.
all these other dogs they call "pitts" are just mutts, that kinda look like a true Pitbull. and are so far from what the dog was that they are no longer the same dog.
I had the pleasure to own a true APBT a female that was 45 lbs, would take on a lion if I asked her to, would die for my kids and would never bite a person, unless of course that person tried to harm my kids haha(even then she would not want to bite a person)....she is the only dog I have owned that never growled at my kids, no matter what they did.. and I have lots of kids and they did what ever they wanted to her, lol she would go out side with them and play sentry...I would tell her go watch the kids...she would literally go and roam the land and stop at a corner and watch for awhile then go to the next corner sit and watch for a bit and continue this as long as the kids were out side.
she was by far the greatest dog I have ever met, I miss her something fierce.
Well Ink, in all honesty, she is a rescue dog... the mix of dogs I mentioned was based on our vet's opinion of what she may be.. there's no telling what other bloodlines run in any of those 3 dogs, being mixed breeds and all. Hell, for all I know she could be 1/32 poodle. :rofl That being said, don't think for one second that lab genes couldn't attribute to that kind of size, if you have any doubt I'll introduce you to Gracie, our neighbor's Lab (pure bred AKC registered) who mainly from a combination of diet and lack of exercise tips the scales at just over 140 lbs :O. I refer to Gracie as "the Grizzly Bear that lives next door!" I promise you, Brendle is well fed as well, she eats Pedigree large breed plus whatever we're eating for dinner!
And you're right and I agree 110% - pure APBT (even the bastardizations that have resulted from all the breeding in or different dogs for different reasons) would not attack people, any more than any other dog would. The thing that Dred's chart does not show is the number of attacks per unit of population.... just looking at the dogs on the chart, the mastiff, chow, and Rotty are actually more dangerous than the Pit, when you factor in the % of population (i.e. the Mastiff, for example, has much lower numbers than the pit in all categories, but it also represents 1/50th the population that the Pit does. If there were 50 times as many Mastiffs, and their population equaled that of the pit, based on the numbers here you'd expect to see more deaths, bodily injuries, and maimings than you would from Pits) that each breed makes up. Half of the other dogs listed also are equally as dangerous individually, they just aren't as numerous so their gross numbers aren't as high.
The other thing to note is that the chart is "ordered based on numbers of deaths, and all breeds are not represented" - i.e. there are other breeds of dogs that represent a much higher percentage of total attacks on people, but because the attacks didn't result in as many deaths they don't make the chart. If I remember correctly, I read once that the dog that accounts for more attacks on people each year in the US is actually the Golden Retriever. So, yeh, the chart is purposefully presenting the data in a manner that makes it look as if the Pit is more dangerous than it actually is, relative to other dogs.
Me personally I would list the Jack Russell as the most hateful, evil dog known to man, having been places on Earth by Satan himself, but that's just my opinion based on having been attacked by 3 dogs in my life, all 3 times by 3 different Jack Russells. I've owned Labs, Shar Pei's, pits, boxers, German Shepherds, and mutts in every shape and form... and never have I seen a breed as hateful and evil as the Jack Russell. They should be outlawed and exterminated. :rolleyes:
that is a very abnormal size for a Lab, while I don't think any animal is "evil" you are close on that Jack Russells, they are viscous little sukers.
lol I got attack by the most viscous dog ever...it was a "teacup Chihuahua" good thing it weighs less then my wallet :rofl as soon as I entered the house it was on me, it viciously attacked my sneaker lace :rofl
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you kept a dog after it bit your daughter? I would have buried its dead body.
Stick your face in my plate and start eating my food while Im eating it and I might bite you too.
I almost did kill him. Like I said. I proved dogs can fly. My mother who happend to be visiting stopped me.
After I calmed down I found out that she was play trying to chew on his thing while he was chewing on it. Its hard for me to place all the blame on the dog, or anyone else for that matter. And in that instance and the dog was only about a year old and not completely mature yet and I hadnt trained that into him yet.
It wasnt a vicious attack. One quick nip that he just happened to catch her lower lip. When it first happend I heard her scream from the other room and my wife carrying her out it looked like he ripped part of her lip off. Found out later it was more the blood and the swelling that made it look that way. It was jussst deep enough that a couple of stitches were needed. You can only barely see the scar now.
I'm not going to put down a dog for a single incident. Particularly when that dog hasnt shown any prior tenancies toward being over aggressive. In hind sight Im very glad I didnt. It was the one and only time he bit either of my kids or anyone elses. And turned into the absolute head and shoulders above the rest best dog I've ever had. I was and still am totally crushed when we had to put him to sleep
Hell he bit me more often then anyone else. But only in protection of women or children when I was roughhousing with them or making like I was beating them.
And for that I always praised him for it. Its one of the reasons I got him. but it was always a quick nip. Though he got me good a couple of times. Like the time I was playing with my daughter and chasing her around the house and he came up behind me and bit me in the arse so hard I actually fell down. Wasnt a big bite and only a nip but caught me just right.
But any time that happened he was obviously immediately sorry for doing it and would come over and start licking me.
Its funny cause I could do anything to him I wanted and could never get him pissed enough to snap at me. But mess with a kid..
But even when roughhousing with him. He would grab my arm with his mouth but never clamp down very hard. And with children he was gentle as a lamb
He always knew who he was playing with. If I or my son was playing tug of war with him. He'd damn near pull us around the house. He was more gentle with my wife. and even more gentile with my daughter. And it was a real little kid. He hardly pull at all mostly just holding it
no I have no regrets over not killing him then.
and im not going to split hairs with you over "True Pit bulls" their true histories and/or mixed Fact of the matter is they all look pretty similar. Your average person no more can tell a true pit bull from a mix then they can a BB gun from a 22. So for better or worse they are going to continue to be all lumped together.
and I dont care true pit or not. All dogs have the potential to bite.
I had a 10 year old beagle that bit me in the lip once when I was an early teen. Not exactly the most aggressive of dogs but I was messing with her and eventually got her pissed enough to bite.
And Im quite sure that based on the owner there are some who are not people or animal friendly.
The problem still lies where if they do bite. They still are much more likely to cause serious damage then most other breeds.
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Stick your face in my plate and start eating my food while Im eating it and I might bite you too.
I almost did kill him. Like I said. I proved dogs can fly. My mother who happend to be visiting stopped me.
After I calmed down I found out that she was play trying to chew on his thing while he was chewing on it. Its hard for me to place all the blame on the dog, or anyone else for that matter. And in that instance and the dog was only about a year old and not completely mature yet and I hadnt trained that into him yet.
It wasnt a vicious attack. One quick nip that he just happened to catch her lower lip. When it first happend I heard her scream from the other room and my wife carrying her out it looked like he ripped part of her lip off. Found out later it was more the blood and the swelling that made it look that way. It was jussst deep enough that a couple of stitches were needed. You can only barely see the scar now.
I'm not going to put down a dog for a single incident. Particularly when that dog hasnt shown any prior tenancies toward being over aggressive. In hind sight Im very glad I didnt. It was the one and only time he bit either of my kids or anyone elses. And turned into the absolute head and shoulders above the rest best dog I've ever had. I was and still am totally crushed when we had to put him to sleep
Hell he bit me more often then anyone else. But only in protection of women or children when I was roughhousing with them or making like I was beating them.
And for that I always praised him for it. Its one of the reasons I got him. but it was always a quick nip. Though he got me good a couple of times. Like the time I was playing with my daughter and chasing her around the house and he came up behind me and bit me in the arse so hard I actually fell down. Wasnt a big bite and only a nip but caught me just right.
But any time that happened he was obviously immediately sorry for doing it and would come over and start licking me.
Its funny cause I could do anything to him I wanted and could never get him pissed enough to snap at me. But mess with a kid..
But even when roughhousing with him. He would grab my arm with his mouth but never clamp down very hard. And with children he was gentle as a lamb
He always knew who he was playing with. If I or my son was playing tug of war with him. He'd damn near pull us around the house. He was more gentle with my wife. and even more gentile with my daughter. And it was a real little kid. He hardly pull at all mostly just holding it
no I have no regrets over not killing him then.
and im not going to split hairs with you over "True Pit bulls" their true histories and/or mixed Fact of the matter is they all look pretty similar. Your average person no more can tell a true pit bull from a mix then they can a BB gun from a 22. So for better or worse they are going to continue to be all lumped together.
and I dont care true pit or not. All dogs have the potential to bite.
I had a 10 year old beagle that bit me in the lip once when I was an early teen. Not exactly the most aggressive of dogs but I was messing with her and eventually got her pissed enough to bite.
And Im quite sure that based on the owner there are some who are not people or animal friendly.
The problem still lies where if they do bite. They still are much more likely to cause serious damage then most other breeds.
very true all dogs have the ability to bite, some dogs sad to say are encouraged to be biters by their owners, which just pisses me off because the dog is the one that loses out in the end.
a dog should NEVER bite its owner it goes against their grain, for your dog to bite you even for Horseplay....well i just don't agree with it. I would never keep a dog that bit my kids, no matter how small or slight the bite may be. and ya my kids would stick their face and hands in my APBT food dish any time they wanted, never even growled at them.they would use her as a stepping stool to climb into bed, I had 5 kids at the time trust me they tormented her, sticking there face in her food dish is a minor thing they would do to her. but she took it all happily.
I am a very rough and tumble type of guy always rough housing with my kids and family members, "Mia" my APBT would never consider biting me, lol to her I was GOD.
I have seen dogs that get all worked up because of rough housing, to me any dog that will go against his owner, thinks he himself is the pack leader, and that is a recipe for disaster.
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To be clear and to reiterate I like pits. All my experiences thus far have been positive ones save for my one buddy who as far as Im concerned is just outright irresponsible with his and I've told him so.
Here is a writeup on a study that pretty much supports what it is I've been saying. And mentions true APBTs specifically
Not that they are more likely to bite. But that when they do bite they often cause more damage.
Reaper I remember seeing a similar article that you mentioned. Being a Golden owner I took notice. It didnt have to do with attacks but bites. I may be sounding sarcastic here but Im really not when I say that I think we can agree there is a difference between a dog attacking you and one that simply bit.
I'll have to see if I can find it again as I just passed it looking for the following. But I just read an article that mentions alot of these bites/attacks whichever we prefer to call them were done by Goldens that were closely inbred show dogs (show dogs in general are notorious whack jobs because of their inbreeding) And because of the rise in popularity in the breed. More dogs = more bites.
To be clear my dog would bite. But only if was protecting someone or our other dog or one of the cats from a perceived attack. He once got out and was barking at a passerby when the guy who was carrying a stick raised it up like he was going to hit him with it he jumped on the guy and knocked him down. But didnt bite him. bout scared the hell out of me too cause for a moment I thought he was going to bite. But as soon as the guy hit the ground he backed off and came to my call.
But back to Pits before I get carried away again.
In fact they score just about the same as Golden retrievers. but while it has happened and does. Its rare that you hear of a golden causing catastrophic damage
Link to the rest of the article here http://www.seefido.com/dog-discussion-forum/important-data-from-newspapers-and-other-media-f36/facts-about-dog-bite-statistics-t10740.html
"Many studies have been done on canine aggression toward humans and bite statistics. Many studies place pit bulls and rottweilers at the top of the bite statistics. Though these dogs are placed up at the top for very good reason, do not make the mistake of thinking it means they bite more frequently. Due to the power and potential damage these breeds can inflict with a single bite they are typically listed as the most dangerous biters, not the most common. In fact, the American Pit Bull Terrier and the Rottweiler score very high marks on temperament evaluations overall. Studies performed in the last several years came out with results that may surprise many people unfamiliar with these two breeds.
As of December 2008 the American Pit Bull Terrier passed the ATTS (American Temperament Test Society) evaluation with a socre of 85.3%. 665 Pit Bulls were tested, 98 failed. Bear in mind this is the American Pit Bull Terrier, the actual Pit Bull breed. The study does not include mixes or one of the twentysomething other breeds often mistakenly labeled "pit bull". The Rottweiler passed at 83%. 5,097 rottweilers were tested. 869 failed. To put some perspective on these percentages of temperament passes note the following pass statistics for several other popular breeds:
Akita - 74.2%
Doberman Pinscher - 77.4%
Collie (America's Lassie) - 79.4%
Australian Shepherd - 81%
Boxer - 83.6%
German Shepherd Dog - 83.7%
American Staffordshire Terrier - 83.9%
Bouvier - 84.6%
Golden Retriever - 84.6%
Labrador Retriever - 92%
The point here isn't necessarily to illustrate that Pit Bulls and Rottweilers are not dangerous breeds, but to show their temperament statistics in direct comparison to other popular dog breeds. Again, the point of this post isn't to vindicate these dogs, the point of this post is to get to the bottom of why these dogs are seen as more likely to attack or turn on humans. You can find more information on breed temperament tests and statistics at http://www.atts.org/index.html"
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We will not give our dog rawhide...very bad for them.
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Reaper I remember seeing a similar article that you mentioned. Being a Golden owner I took notice. It didnt have to do with attacks but bites. I may be sounding sarcastic here but Im really not when I say that I think we can agree there is a difference between a dog attacking you and one that simply bit.
I don't disagree, the only reason the stat was noteworthy was that it only reported bites that required medical attention and were therefore documentable, so more than just a "little nip," but yeh, obviously there is a difference.
My point I think, is illustrated by your numbers from your last post, that they're not the most frequent biters, just more severe due to their strength. I think we're arguing the same point, to a degree.
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I don't disagree, the only reason the stat was noteworthy was that it only reported bites that required medical attention and were therefore documentable, so more than just a "little nip," but yeh, obviously there is a difference.
My point I think, is illustrated by your numbers from your last post, that they're not the most frequent biters, just more severe due to their strength. I think we're arguing the same point, to a degree.
Not even to a degree. Thats exactly what I've been saying LOL
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an American staffordshire terrier can be duel registered as an AmStaff or APBT.........I have seen registered AMStaffs as American Pitbull terrier.
just because they "say" they tested true APBT...good chance they did not.
they are almost all gone....99% of pittbulls today are not pittbulls IE "APBT"...so there is no way they tested true APBT.
they are almost extinct......
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I remember the first "pit bulls" I ran into as a young adult. This is before they got a bad rap. I didn't like them because I was scared, but they wagged their tails so hard, they would ding your chins, and it hurt. They could clean a whole coffee table top off of beers with a few wags of a tail.
If you're a multi dog owner, you have to be very vigilant about letting your dogs break loose, when the master is not around to control their behavior. they can change.
My dog gets along with dogs in a small group. The one old fiesty cat at the office, and he's learned on his own how to roll the window down in the back seat of my truck. Specially when he sees a cow or horse.
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I don't think I'll ever forget the day our neighbor's Pit bull came charging across the street when I got home from work. I knew nothing about Pit Bulls other than they can be dangerous and so I was really worried I'd have to hurt a dog that day... turns out that is the nicest friendliest dog I have ever met, even moreso than either of my German Shepherds(And we grew up together). He came flying across the street and jumped into my arms, tail wagging like crazy and licking my face. I must say though that he is too friendly, to the point I'm now worried he'll get hit because his owners are idiots who let him out without a leash and about as well supervised as a passed out drunk watching your kids in a playground.
He's been a delight to have around when he does get out, though, and is constantly trying to get our old shepherd to play with him.
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I don't think I'll ever forget the day our neighbor's Pit bull came charging across the street when I got home from work. I knew nothing about Pit Bulls other than they can be dangerous and so I was really worried I'd have to hurt a dog that day... turns out that is the nicest friendliest dog I have ever met, even moreso than either of my German Shepherds(And we grew up together). He came flying across the street and jumped into my arms, tail wagging like crazy and licking my face. I must say though that he is too friendly, to the point I'm now worried he'll get hit because his owners are idiots who let him out without a leash and about as well supervised as a passed out drunk watching your kids in a playground.
He's been a delight to have around when he does get out, though, and is constantly trying to get our old shepherd to play with him.
ya some owners suk :furious
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ya some owners suk :furious
My moms best friend just adopted an APBT, one of the sweetest dogs ive ever seen. The "Dog behaviorists" labeled it as dog aggressive and not a good adoption candidate. She h
now has 6 other dogs living with her and is very happy and sweet.
Pits get a bad rap, I really like the breed
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Owners or breed?
When i was younger my Grandmother breed Norwegian Elkhounds. They are a wonderful breed. However, growing up I was taught that there are two factors in a dangerous dog;
1) Initial temperament of the specific animal. When the puppies would get to about 6 weeks my Grandmother would start temperament testing each pup individually (similar to the modern Volhard tests). Through years of experience and experimentation she had devised a system that would predict the temperament and, ultimately, the type of home the animal should go to. As a whole the Elkhound is a sweet and gentle dog but, like any other animal, there are individuals within the breed. She would, on occasion, put a puppy down early because it showed signs of being a biter. Not because it was an aggressive animal, but because it was a timid and scared one. She has always said that you need to worry far less about an aggressive dog then a fearful one.
2) Owners! I take my dog to an off-leash dog park on a regular basis and, for the most part, the other owners are responsible people. There are however some pretty bad ones out there. In my experience ANY dog can be a nasty animal. I have seen many breeds who behaved poorly and it is usually the fault of the owner. First for not properly picking a breed that fits their lifestyle. Second, for not properly training and socializing the dog.
Dogs are a lot like kids. If you let them run roughshod and don't reign in them in, you are in for a LOT of trouble.
People, please pick your dog appropriately. They should compliment your lifestyle not be an accessory or a status symbol. Any breeder worth a damn knows this and will refuse to sell to you if you aren't a good fit. Unfortunately, this often isn't the case.
Just for fun
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I give up a man card to say this, but Clerick, that puppy in the second picture is adorable!
No matter how hard a time the girlfriend gives me, I will always have a large soft spot for pup's
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I give up a man card to say this, but Clerick, that puppy in the second picture is adorable!
No matter how hard a time the girlfriend gives me, I will always have a large soft spot for pup's
Thanks! It's the same guy, just a few weeks older in the second. No man card needed, I think all guys are genetically predisposed to dogs.
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Thanks! It's the same guy, just a few weeks older in the second. No man card needed, I think all guys are genetically predisposed to dogs.
I agree with pigs... that puppy is very cute :aok