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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: LThunderpocket on May 18, 2011, 05:08:19 PM
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I've always had the desire to go back in WW2 as a marine and fight in the war.To me WW2 is when the world started to get "modernized".Germans started building rockets witch could be fired from miles away and hit a city(not always accurate,the V-1 and V-2).The U.S of A developed a nuclear bomb and dropped 2 on Japan.Germany was the first to devlop a jet fighter and use it in combat.Many more great achiements for man followed this era.Im sure everyone knows all of that stuff.
So I was gonna put it out there and ask,would you go back in time?would you fight in the war?witch theater?as a grunt or as a pilot?.
sadly enough,there will never be a "time machine" for any of us to do this.
have fun with this thread
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War is not fun, cool, or anything positive. It's a terrible thing I would never want to be apart of it, but I I HAD to go back in time and fight in ww2 I'd want to be a luft pilot, from about 1940-1943
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Fighter pilot in WWII? I'm guessing I've been there, done that.
Next turn of the wheel I hope to be driving a ship that'll outpace light....
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I tend to agree that War is Hell and I dont want any part of it. My Grandfather was a JUG pilot in the war and he loved to fly until his service WW2. He never set foot in an airplane again. I said never even Commercially. My father flew 105's in Vietnam (2 tours) and seldom talked about what they did. I found more about his experiences through his "Bear" (back seater) and his journal I found recently. I have not experienced combat and I expect it to be unlikely if I ever will. War is a terrible distructive thing that should be at a last resort. Salute to those veterans and may their service be saluted.
JUGMANJR
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I tend to agree that War is Hell and I dont want any part of it. My Grandfather was a JUG pilot in the war and he loved to fly until his service WW2. He never set foot in an airplane again. I said never even Commercially. My father flew 105's in Vietnam (2 tours) and seldom talked about what they did. I found more about his experiences through his "Bear" (back seater) and his journal I found recently. I have not experienced combat and I expect it to be unlikely if I ever will. War is a terrible distructive thing that should be at a last resort. Salute to those veterans and may their service be saluted.
JUGMANJR
Going by your handle YGSM... Was your father a Wild Weasel?
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I know too much about it to want to do it.
Thankfully, due to those who did do it, it is extremely unlikely I will have to do it.
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I know too much about it to want to do it.
Thankfully, due to those who did do it, it is extremely unlikely I will have to do it.
I would go back, if I had the choice.
But just look at all the wars we have now going on, to choose from...
Coogan
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I've always had the desire to go back in WW2 as a marine and fight in the war.To me WW2 is when the world started to get "modernized".Germans started building rockets witch could be fired from miles away and hit a city(not always accurate,the V-1 and V-2).The U.S of A developed a nuclear bomb and dropped 2 on Japan.Germany was the first to devlop a jet fighter and use it in combat.Many more great achiements for man followed this era.Im sure everyone knows all of that stuff.
So I was gonna put it out there and ask,would you go back in time?would you fight in the war?witch theater?as a grunt or as a pilot?.
sadly enough,there will never be a "time machine" for any of us to do this.
have fun with this thread
I'd love to go back in time, and there's a whole lot of things I'd like to see and experience. None of them are really part of well-recorded history though. They're all too early in history for that. And although there was warfare going on, that's the part I wouldn't want to see or be a part of.
As bad as it sounds, the reason this game is so fun, is because it's so unrealistic. I'm not talking about the flight model.
I can't think of a single computer game that mimics the things I love well enough to make the game even passingly fun. I love to fish and hunt. Fishing and hunting games suck. I love to camp, and shoot bows and firearms. FPS games suck. I can't imagine a camping game, let alone one that wouldn't suck. My passion is falconry. A falconry game would suck. I love my family. A family game would suck.
I've come to the conclusion that if I like it in RL, I'll hate it in a game. If I like it in a game, it's probably because it's different enough from RL to be unrealistic, so I probably wouldn't like it in RL.
I doubt many of the people involved in WWII thought it was fun at the time.
My (late) grandfather fought in Europe in WWII. He never spoke of it. Ever. Not once. He was wounded twice, and if you asked him about his scars he'd tell you "I was shot by the Germans". Politely, but in a way that told you he wasn't going to tell you any more than that. That conversation was over.
I don't tell my grandmother about AH, because it embarrasses me to be playing a WWII game "for fun". There's no way she'd understand how I found it entertaining, having lived through it herself.
If you told my grandparents of your desire to "go back and fight" you'd have been put on their "list" of people that weren't fit to associate with. They'd have thought there was something seriously wrong with you, and that you were possibly dangerous. "Trouble".
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That is a very tough question to answer. I would have volunteered, probably something in the army. Maybe some sort of liaison between US and UK forces.
It is hard to wish Hell for yourself.
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Wouldn't it be something if you went back and volunteered, and then got killed in a training exercise? Or in the first few moments of combat? Or you when you stepped on a landmine while looking for a place to take a leak?
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mtnman, you nailed it. :salute
There is no way I would want to leave the relative peace and security of our current existance to go back to a time of such horror, destruction and suffering...
If I could go back in time it sure as hell wouldn't be to fight. I'd go back with all of the sports picks and lotto numbers, and I'd invest my rediculous winnings in Wal Mart, IBM, and Microsoft when they were still the little guys, and by now I'd have enough $$$ to own one or two real version each of every derned cartoon airplane we have here, and a few to spare. To quote Forrest Gump, I'd have "more money than Davey Crockett."
:rock
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Wouldn't it be something if you went back and volunteered, and then got killed in a training exercise? Or in the first few moments of combat? Or you when you stepped on a landmine while looking for a place to take a leak?
Ooooh ooh ooh, no, I wanna get killed by a flamethrower! But only after suffering through 115 degree heat on a barren jungle island for a few months and seeing most of my new friends get blown to peices! YAY! It would be a blast... pun intended.
/sarcasm
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Ooooh ooh ooh, no, I wanna get killed by a flamethrower! But only after suffering through 115 degree heat on a barren jungle island for a few months and seeing most of my new friends get blown to peices! YAY! It would be a blast... pun intended.
/sarcasm
Either way I'd think you were a shoe-in for the Darwin Award.
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In all actuality, the American Civil War is considered by most historians as the first "Modern" war, where technology outpaced tactics. Rifled weapons and men fighting in straight lines is an example. Thaddeus Lowe and his Balloon Corps observing the confederate lines from above, and steam powered armored gunboats and the first Iron Navy. But if I could go back in time, it would be as a pilot in the first years of the second world war: 1939 to 1942. The weapons (Planes) were technologically advanced and still unlike anything anyone had ever seen over the battlefields, and yet, they were still art.
Following up on others' comments, however; War isn't pretty, it isn't romantic and no one who has experienced combat returns unscathed, physically, mentally or both.
Anyone who says differently has read one too many "Dime Novels"and has never "been there". ( I am certainly no combat expert either, but I knew when to listen to those who WERE there, when they talked).
If you want to watch great movie about guys returning home from WWII, see "The Best Years of Our Lives", with Dana Andrews, Frederick March, Hoagi Carmichal, Theresa Wright, Myrna Loy, Virginia Mayo along with many other great actors. It won the Oscar for Best Picture in 1947.
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Either way I'd think you were a shoe-in for the Darwin Award.
:rofl wait... :huh :headscratch:
I was being sarcastic, mtnman, poking fun at the OP, who I think posted something idiotic..... Heck NO I wouldn't want to go back in time to fight, in WWII or any other war. If I could go back in time I'd want to go back in time to before the war and shoot the sunnovasweety that caused the war to start to begin with.
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The only desire I'd have would be to go back and meet some of my hero's when they were younger. I wouldn't want to take the risks they had to. It's easy to look at it from the safety of home. Spend some time around those vets and you'll find very few if any that would go back and do it again. What they remember is the friendships and the shared experiences. And they miss the friends that never made it home.
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no way i would like to join any battle with any or no weapons, no i wouldnt like. its fun on my PC screen and thats how far i wish to go, i like beeing alive worried about what do to with the future, making my girlfriend happy, playing Fligth simulations, im sure it isnt fun to be worried wether or not your house will be bombed and all your family instaly die because of some &!$hole.
Anyway.. FPS's and Combat simulations are fun.
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GO back in time....to fight in a war.....seems like a waste of a goood time machine ....i undertake this thread knowing its more so a way of asking what thrones ww2 fantasy would b....n while id love flying a 190a5 in combat im sure that fun would stop once rounds flew past my canopy...I'm not saying iys wrong to idolize those men, hell, they are heros....but they fought n died so that some day we wouldn't have too (at least against the germans\japs\italians)...war is ugly, cruel, cold and unforgiving...even if you could go back and be one of the "lucky" ones who lived without physical injuries, the situations these men were in is NOTHING to seek....the army for me was a "band if brothers fantasy" come true...at first...then u realize the faces the actors wore failed to tell you what its really like...
sorry to trail off so much here, perhaps its just the brew talking...something just irked me about wishing to go back to fight in a war as it were one giant role play game....
Please dont think I dont support them or those who wish to fight, I proudly continue to wear my acus, only atm I lack my body armor :) my time in the army has been both the best and worst times I have had, and if your interested in that sort of band of brothers stuff, try it out, just know what your too expect.
RIP battles
Condor
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i guess this just shows how many people are willing to fight for their country.
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i guess this just shows how many people are willing to fight for their country.
:aok
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There's no way I'd want to have to actually fight in any war. The risk of real death and killing is too high.
I felt incredibly fortunate that after graduating from high school I was rated 1A and number 56 or something like that in the draft and they ended the draft. I didn't have to go and instead went to college then entered the workforce.
That said as a kid I always played soldier or war games with my friends and cousins; sneaking through the woods to ambush and "kill" my opponents. There certainly was a fascination with it, likely from hearing about my father's participation in WWII first as an infintryman and later as a merchant marine. He had 4-5 "picture books" chronicalling the war. They were hard covered books with several hundred pages in each of black and white photos. I spent all my spare time looking through these books absolutely fascinated and even though he had experienced things I'm sure he hoped I'd never have to he never discouraged my own interest in this. I'd be relatively sure most boys growing up in my age group have similar experiences.
My interest/fascination with this continues today. Almost all the games I've played through my life, be they board games or computer games have been war games based at least roughly on WWII. No other war era has kept my interest like this one, again, probably due in large part to my father although I do have a passing interest in other war eras. I watch every war movie, have read most war books, watch war TV shows, etc., etc., etc.
All that said it's one thing to have an interest and to pretend and quite another to actually participate. I have great interest in the former and little in the latter although after it was much too late in my life I felt like I may have missed out on something by not joining the military. For that reason I salute those who have chosen to serve.
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EDit: deleted to remain some what polite :)
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EDit: deleted to remain some what polite :)
dont worry about it.its not like i care what u post.
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dont worry about it.its not like i care what u post.
Eh I feel no need to argue. Anytime ud like to play grunt feel free to visit a recruiter.
On your time travels as a marine grunt, might i suggest wake island starting in 1941? Sounded fun to me
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i guess this just shows how many people are willing to fight for their country.
Really? You're that stupid? :huh
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You know, we all say "war is hell"...and we are right. Yet there is something in the heart of each man that does fundamentally love the blare of martial trumpets. This is the reason young men competed and strove to fly these planes in combat, and were dissapointed if assigned a non-combat job. Why else do we ourselves play this game? Perhaps we can have fewer wars if we admit that there *are* attractive aspects to it.
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You know, we all say "war is hell"...and we are right. Yet there is something in the heart of each man that does fundamentally love the blare of martial trumpets. This is the reason young men competed and strove to fly these planes in combat, and were dissapointed if assigned a non-combat job. Why else do we ourselves play this game? Perhaps we can have fewer wars if we admit that there *are* attractive aspects to it.
BnZs, I do not disagree one bit.... If I were a young man in the late '30's I would have volunteered for pilot training, or caught a boat for England if I thought it would get me into the air to do my part. The future was very much uncertain then, and there was a job that needed to be done. Of course I've dreamed of what it must have been like, the "awesomeness" of being at the controls of such machines....
But that is a settled conflict, a conflict the we came out "on top" from... and it was a horrible horrible thing, win or lose. There is NO good reason to wish to revisit it in person and be subjected to it, especially for some ignorant idea that glory could be gained from going back in time to take part in it, especially in the PTO as a Marine. I'll guarantee that the child who started this thread would be pizing hi pants and crying to get back into his time machine within 5 minutes of being loaded into that LVT, seeing the smoke, and hearing the gunfire, explosions, and noise of war, much less the screams and suffering he would enounter when he actually hit the beach.
But the most repulsive notion put forth yet so far is the idea that which side someone weighs in on in this conversation is somehow a measuring stick of that person's willingness to fight for his/her country? I dare anyone to say that to my face. My brother witnessed combat up close, and killed people at arm's length... and it haunts him. I've seen what war has done to family members of mine... uncles on both my wife's and my side that fought on the ground in Viet Nam, and still have demons 40+ years later.
Would I go if there were such a fight now, and I were of age? Heck yes, the only reason that the military isn't my career right now is a doctor told me it couldn't be in 1992, not in the form that I wanted. If I could have seen the future and what the future 10 years off would hold I probably would have gone in anyway. Hindsight is 20/20 and all....
But to wish to go back in time, for nothing but some silly sense of misplaced personal glory?
Pure stupidity.
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i guess this just shows how many people are willing to fight for their country.
And what does that mean? Especially if one's country is Germany? :)
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i guess this just shows how many people are willing to fight for their country.
Well I actually enlisted, not a hypothetical what if like your proposal. I was very lucky in that we had a period
of cold war rather than a hot one. Of course I was not clairvoyant so I couldn't know that I wouldn't have to fight.
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i guess this just shows how many people are willing to fight for their country.
Are you kidding me ? ... are you really that much of an stunninghunk ?
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lol Slapshot.
My thought too. I could have passed on the topic but Thunderdunce
posts are like car wrecks and I couldn't help but check out the latest
one. And it's tops for sure.
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i guess this just shows how many people are willing to fight for their country.
:lol well, well, well...thunderturd strikes again...coming from someone who has never had to wear a uniform, never been under fire from an enemy, never had to fire a shot to survive, never had to bodybag someone you knew...that has to be at the top of your list of stupid things to say. you haven't fought for your lunch, much less your country, what in the world do you know about patriotism?
i think i understand...you're one of those saturday morning anime glory hounds who would be the first to fold up like a cheap lawn chair under the first signs of heavy fire and then good men would die trying to save your silly butt instead of letting you catch the bullets...people with your mentality have 2 things to look forward to...a bodybag and a useless medal.
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Next turn of the wheel I hope to be driving a ship that'll outpace light....
Here's one for you...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uw1bHaUk1CM
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I've always had the desire to go back in WW2 as a marine and fight in the war.To me WW2 is when the world started to get "modernized".Germans started building rockets witch could be fired from miles away and hit a city(not always accurate,the V-1 and V-2).The U.S of A developed a nuclear bomb and dropped 2 on Japan.Germany was the first to devlop a jet fighter and use it in combat.Many more great achiements for man followed this era.Im sure everyone knows all of that stuff.
So I was gonna put it out there and ask,would you go back in time?would you fight in the war?witch theater?as a grunt or as a pilot?.
sadly enough,there will never be a "time machine" for any of us to do this.
have fun with this thread
Only an idiot would be wishing to experience something like that. It is not a game you know. Out of all the things in life, you are sad because you cannot experience war? :noid
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Fighter pilot in WWII? I'm guessing I've been there, done that.
Next turn of the wheel I hope to be driving a ship that'll outpace light....
:rolleyes:
Or you could come back as the cat that gets caught in the neighbor's fan belt as he starts his car.
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Going by your handle YGSM... Was your father a Wild Weasel?
It was supposed to be YGBSM....I was drunk when I signed on....DOH!!!
Yes, Two tours.....He flew the single seat Weasel (I believe it was the F model) his first tour and flew the G (two seat) in his second tour.
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I suggest you try a turn at a ground crew for bomber command! Boy the fun you'd have mopping out those planes that make it back!
Maybe the crusades would make for an entertaining war? Then you could fight for more than just your country.
To those that served! :salute
:salute
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It was supposed to be YGBSM....I was drunk when I signed on....DOH!!!
Yes, Two tours.....He flew the single seat Weasel (I believe it was the F model) his first tour and flew the G (two seat) in his second tour.
Wow very impressive, you must be very proud of him.
If you havent read these already pick up "When Thunder Rolled" and "Palace Cobra" both by Ed Rasimus.
Very good books on the F-105 and USAF F-4 units during the war. A lot of Weasel stuff in them as well.
BTW, I knew you were missing the B and thought maybe the name had been taken already. :)
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i guess this just shows how many people are willing to fight for their country.
Let me tell you something Son. I would in a heart beat fight for my country if called upon because it is everyones duty if able to fight for their country. Do I want to go leave my children and wife alone while a take human life? Hell no! And anyone says they would enjoying it is sick and needs psychological help. My family went and fought so guys like you could have the right to speak your minds about wanting to go back and fight a war. Your response comment was stupid and immature and you sir need your frontal lobes checked because I dont think they are working to well.
from the Desk of one Pissed off JUGMAN
Btw This was edited from about 3 paragraphs :mad:
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Wow very impressive, you must be very proud of him.
If you havent read these already pick up "When Thunder Rolled" and "Palace Cobra" both by Ed Rasimus.
Very good books on the F-105 and USAF F-4 units during the war. A lot of Weasel stuff in them as well.
BTW, I knew you were missing the B and thought maybe the name had been taken already. :)
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I just started reading his journals that I found locked away. It has stayed locked and out of mind for 10 years but I didnt have the heart to read them. Six years of journal entries will take me a long time to go through. I read "When Thunder Rolled" a few years ago and loved the book. I dont know if my father new Raz but the community was small so it is very possible. I want to know what he encountered so I can understand some of his later actions. He was a hard man that I didnt get along with as a young man. In 2000 we re-connected but he passed on in 2001.
I am also researching a MIA story of Clive Jeffs. This story is very interesting and will need a new thread to explain. Lots of conflicting information that I have not found answers that make sense.
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If you enjoyed When the Thunder Rolled I highly recommend Palace Cobra as well. It's about his second tour where his F4 unit is teamed up with F-105 WWs.
i'm going to do a search Clive Jeffs over the weekend, Thanks for mentioning it.
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So I was gonna put it out there and ask,would you go back in time?would you fight in the war?witch theater?as a grunt or as a pilot?.
sadly enough,there will never be a "time machine" for any of us to do this.
have fun with this thread
43 years ago I left Vietnam, I thought I got away unscathed and no syndromes but sometimes they remain hidden for years. Two weeks ago I was going over some old notes and photos with my wife and talking about what and where they were. I spent a lot of time in different med evac hospitals 24th 12th etc. As I was talking to my wife telling about all the wounded men that were there I was suddenly just overwhelmed with emotion and the tears just started flowing as I remembered what I seen heard and experienced in Vietnam.
That was the first time I had felt any emotion about the war since leaving there. War is HELL and to wish to go back to any war unnecessarily is really stupid.
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I love how everyone on this forum takes everything so damned serious and to the furthest extreme possible. I knew the second I seen your post what would be said lol spec sad.
Was just a fun what-if question. People need to not take themselves so freaking serious. Geees
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I love how everyone on this forum takes everything so damned serious and to the furthest extreme possible. I knew the second I seen your post what would be said lol spec sad.
Was just a fun what-if question. People need to not take themselves so freaking serious. Geees
so you think it's something that warrants a "what if" kinda humorous saturday afternoon iced tea on the patio whimsical conversation piece? no offense but...that's like talking about the football game you just watched and griping about the players when you have no idea what it's like to be on the field.
put yourself on the battlefield then come back and tell us how you would love to go back and what heroic acts you would perform.
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OP likely has some game/Hollywood driven fantasies about what it would be like. That he'd be skilled and thus be the fine, young hero.
How does being you stop an AA round from taking your wing off. How does being you stop your fighter from folding its wings on pullout because the bomb hung up? About watching the skin peel off of your aircraft's wings on a training flight because the skin wasn't attached correctly?
As to the moronic claim that not wanting to go back to that hell that was fought and won meaning we don't care to defend our nation or principals, that is simply absurd. That war was fought and won and were somebody able to toss themselves back into it there is no telling the changes that would be wrought. It is easy to assume the changes would be good, but small changes avalanche into big changes who's final outcome is entirely unpredictable.
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Gyreneplease don't get high and mighty with me sir. Remember I know you and you have never been in comatose so don't go acting like you have. Lol wow. Now me I hate to say old friend you don't know or know what I've seen or done so get over it.
Sorry but your response is exactly what my post was about for god sakes lol.
If you want to get that self righteous then what are any of you doing a game that promotes a warlike game atmosphere. Shouldn't you be playing sims or something cuz at least that's peacefull and nobody can get upset. All in fun buddy but relax this is a game of make believe played by fake fighter pilots.
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War is real sad. My greatfather was fighting on the eastern front, at "the curve of the river Don", where the second hungarian army was sacrafised to cover the german retreat after Stalingrad. He was captured by the russians, but he managed to escape. 2 years later he was shot down by the russians, 3 kilometers from his village. He left behind a wife and 3 children. I dont wanna go back and kill people.
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Forgive my typing I'm on a droid phone in the sleeper of my truck at a watering hole and the phone likes to make up words for me lol. Tar tar check ha later. All I'm saying is if a make believe question about war upsets everyone how is it playing a game that simulates war and death ok to play.?
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Forgive my typing I'm on a droid phone in the sleeper of my truck at a watering hole and the phone likes to make up words for me lol. Tar tar check ha later. All I'm saying is if a make believe question about war upsets everyone how is it playing a game that simulates war and death ok to play.?
ok that explains the word comatose...i don't recall even using the word around here. if you meant combat, ok...i wasn't ordered to. did volunteer...did have a few random shots fired at me...buried some people i served with in 83...got out before anything else happened. we all know it's just a game and we're all playing war hero (at least i hope that's the case)...but that is what makes it ok, nobody is getting hurt for real, nobody dies when you fire cartoon bullets at them.
since i now realize you missed it, read the op's quoted text that i replied to again...should we assume since you never served, that you wouldn't fight for your country if called upon to do it?
or maybe you should assume that all the people who have a firm grasp of the reality that war is not a matter for day dreams of battlefield heroics just because you can stick stir a cartoon airplane around the cartoon skies wouldn't fight for their countries if called upon to do so...
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War is real sad. My greatfather was fighting on the eastern front, at "the curve of the river Don", where the second hungarian army was sacrafised to cover the german retreat after Stalingrad. He was captured by the russians, but he managed to escape. 2 years later he was shot down by the russians, 3 kilometers from his village. He left behind a wife and 3 children. I dont wanna go back and kill people.
Debrody, :salute to you, Sir, and your grandfather, God rest his Soul. :salute
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War is real sad. My greatfather was fighting on the eastern front, at "the curve of the river Don", where the second hungarian army was sacrafised to cover the german retreat after Stalingrad. He was captured by the russians, but he managed to escape. 2 years later he was shot down by the russians, 3 kilometers from his village. He left behind a wife and 3 children. I dont wanna go back and kill people.
:salute
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"All I'm saying is if a make believe question about war upsets everyone how is it playing a game that simulates war and death ok to play.?" Posted by Doomed.
I agree with you on this one Doomed. Everybody is so self righteous about this. While I volunteered and served, but never had to go overseas I was lucky in that regard. I am sure that war is hell and would be truly horrific no matter what side you were on, but obviously most of us have some sort of war fantasy life or we wouldn't be here in the first place. While I am sure that if I had been there I would have wished anything but, yet from a historical fantasy sense I have always wondered at the doggedness and stubborness of the Germans when they were facing the full weight of Red Army with little fuel and no supplies. (I can see the opposing point of view from the Russians during the first part of the German-Russian war or the Brits during the Battle of Britain). So I guess that in a fantasy sense I would have wanted to have been a Tiger commander on the Eastern Front. Would I truly have enjoyed it in reality? Probably not even for a second. Do I support the goals and methods of the Third Reich? No way! But do I admire the fighting spirit of the way that the German Army fought? From a purely military point of view, yes I do. I guess that is why I fly mostly Luftwaffe and why I joined your old squad, JG77. Thanks for pointing out the phony hyperbole coming from the same guys that "fight" with and alongside us each evening in our fantasy world called Aces High.
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What a bunch of politically correct panzies in here. You guys must spend your days watching soaps and Hallmark dramas.
Yea, we know that war was hell. But some people don't spend their lives cowering in fear over what might happen.
"there is no hunting like the hunting of man and those who have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never really care for anything else thereafter." -Ernest Hemingway
And here is another taste of reality for you.
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/War_Peace/War_Gives_Meaning.html
Now to answer the OPs question, if someone told me I could fly a ww2 fighter in combat for at least 6 months but I would pay for it with my life at the end of it, I would sure as hell go. For that matter, I would likely go even if it meant I would only be a grunt on the ground. Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afgan. Would I kill an innocent in cold blood? F no. Do I fear the carnage of war? F NO.
I love how everyone on this forum takes everything so damned serious and to the furthest extreme possible. I knew the second I seen your post what would be said lol spec sad.
Was just a fun what-if question. People need to not take themselves so freaking serious. Geees
You hit the nail on the head with this one Doomed.
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What a bunch of politically correct panzies in here. You guys must spend your days watching soaps and Hallmark dramas.
What you call "panzies" most would call thinking with brains rather than with balls. Balls are really, really bad at thinking.
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What you call "panzies" most would call thinking with brains rather than with balls. Balls are really, really bad at thinking.
Didnt anyone tell you? You could have gotten in line for both!
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"there is no hunting like the hunting of man and those who have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never really care for anything else thereafter." -Ernest Hemingway
He hits the nail on the head there. Man's evolution was shaped by weaponry and hunting. His first tools were weapons. The hunting party fostered communication and brotherhood amongst what otherwise would have been squabbling apes. Protein fueled the growth of larger brains. Man's most fulfilling duty is as the hunter, and if there is danger, so much the better.
But if the thrill of hunting other men is the tastiest of all, it is also perversion. To kill an animal for food is communion with the cycle of life, to shoot those perverse souls who would assault your person or property is necessary, to wound or kill a hated enemy in mutually consensual combat is perhaps not too bad. But to kill someone you have never met and likely is not such a bad fellow because the natural enemy of man, the state, has willed it so-what a horrible circumstance to find yourself in, even on the rare occasions (like WWII) when it is necessary.
Most men have courage to venture their lives if need be, yet most men seem to also have grave doubts about their physical courage and the need to "prove" it hardwired into their DNA. I am long past having anything to prove in that regard.
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He hits the nail on the head there. Man's evolution was shaped by weaponry and hunting. His first tools were weapons. The hunting party fostered communication and brotherhood amongst what otherwise would have been squabbling apes. Protein fueled the growth of larger brains. Man's most fulfilling duty is as the hunter, and if there is danger, so much the better.
But if the thrill of hunting other men is the tastiest of all, it is also perversion. To kill an animal for food is communion with the cycle of life, to shoot those perverse souls who would assault your person or property is necessary, to wound or kill a hated enemy in mutually consensual combat is perhaps not too bad. But to kill someone you have never met and likely is not such a bad fellow because the natural enemy of man, the state, has willed it so-what a horrible circumstance to find yourself in, even on the rare occasions (like WWII) when it is necessary.
Most men have courage to venture their lives if need be, yet most men seem to also have grave doubts about their physical courage and the need to "prove" it hardwired into their DNA. I am long past having anything to prove in that regard.
You are so cool. Tell us more about your past life as a WWII fighter pilot. :x
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I was also just reminded of a quote from Eddie Rickenbacker, highest scoring American ace in WW1.
"There is no 'after the war' for a fighter pilot"
Translation, HE LIKED IT.
Patton liked it.
Theodore Roosevelt liked it.
etc.
Some sources say Lufberry made that comment. Not sure which is correct.
etc.
etc.
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War is GREAT!!!
YAY!
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Undoubtedly men are hard wired to be competitive, to be hunters and at least in some degree to seek conflict. It's why even though most of us understand intellectually that war is bad we are drawn to it. It's why guys get in bar fights. It's why we hunt and fish. It's why we take risks whether it's racing, riding motorcycles, skydiving, taking dangerous jobs or any other number of male dominated activities. It raises the adrenaline levels and gives you a rush. I don't know any guy who doesn't enjoy an adrenaline rush. You can count the number of females in this game on two hands. We on the other hand are drawn to it like moths to a bug light.
Fortunately most of us have the intellectual sense to avoid real conflict while taking just enough risk to satiate our need for it.
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War is GREAT!!!
YAY!
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Eh I feel no need to argue. Anytime ud like to play grunt feel free to visit a recruiter.
On your time travels as a marine grunt, might i suggest wake island starting in 1941? Sounded fun to me
im accualy currently a marine grunt
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:lol well, well, well...thunderturd strikes again...coming from someone who has never had to wear a uniform, never been under fire from an enemy, never had to fire a shot to survive, never had to bodybag someone you knew...that has to be at the top of your list of stupid things to say. you haven't fought for your lunch, much less your country, what in the world do you know about patriotism?
i think i understand...you're one of those saturday morning anime glory hounds who would be the first to fold up like a cheap lawn chair under the first signs of heavy fire and then good men would die trying to save your silly butt instead of letting you catch the bullets...people with your mentality have 2 things to look forward to...a bodybag and a useless medal.
unfortuantly, ive never been under fire from an enemy and all that other stuff.i didnt join the USMC to hope to not go to war.ive applied to become a scout sniper as well.so i dont think im gonna fold up like a lawn chair.i want to be apart of the best,and i will.just because i decide to post a stupid comment or topic on the internet for a laugh at it,doesnt mean anything.and if you knew me in game you'd think i was a totaly different person.
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im accualy currently a marine grunt
Hmmmm....MOS, Duty station, and unit :)
I hope for ure sake you aren't just blowing smoke...devil dogs dont take to kindly to imposters....and there are alot of them in these virtual skies..
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Hmmmm....MOS, Duty station, and unit :)
I hope for ure sake you aren't just blowing smoke...devil dogs dont take to kindly to imposters....and there are alot of them in these virtual skies..
0311 Pendleton and 11th MEU
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0311 Pendleton and 11th MEU
HAHAHA seriously? What area is that. (i was stationed there with an army detachment for a while), n I currently do field problems by area 64....
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HAHAHA seriously? What area is that. (i was stationed there with an army detachment for a while), n I currently do field problems by area 64....
MOS is 0311, stationed at Camp Pendleton,CA.my unit is the 11th MEU (Marine Expiditionary Unit)
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The areas at pendleton (i.e. Where each unit is at) has a specific number. Like soi has one, san mateo, talega...etc. Where is your unit there
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There is many a boy here today who looks on war as all glory, but, boys, it is all hell.
-William Tecumseh Sherman
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I know the life of Infantry in combat(been there still doin that :D) so I wouldn't go back to that adrenaline filled crap hole of a job haha.
Tiger tank commander maybe....Id feel like the boss on the battlefield
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unfortuantly, ive never been under fire from an enemy and all that other stuff.i didnt join the USMC to hope to not go to war.ive applied to become a scout sniper as well.so i dont think im gonna fold up like a lawn chair.i want to be apart of the best,and i will.just because i decide to post a stupid comment or topic on the internet for a laugh at it,doesnt mean anything.and if you knew me in game you'd think i was a totaly different person.
:huh :headscratch: :bolt:
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Wait until your buddys brains are blown all over your face and chest, then come back and tell us how romantic and cool war is. :salute
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War is real sad. My greatfather was fighting on the eastern front, at "the curve of the river Don", where the second hungarian army was sacrafised to cover the german retreat after Stalingrad. He was captured by the russians, but he managed to escape. 2 years later he was shot down by the russians, 3 kilometers from his village. He left behind a wife and 3 children. I dont wanna go back and kill people.
cc that, my grandfather fought in Stalingrad in the 6th german Army, he told me stories about all the creul which happend in stalingrad, after a while he stopped with tears in his eyes, he couldn't speak about it anymore. So all who think its cool, google for WW2 dead soldiers pictures and think it over again.
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I love how everyone on this forum takes everything so damned serious and to the furthest extreme possible. I knew the second I seen your post what would be said lol spec sad.
Was just a fun what-if question. People need to not take themselves so freaking serious. Geees
It wasn't the "fun what-if" question that got everybody's panties in a wad, it was this ...
i guess this just shows how many people are willing to fight for their country.
rude and un-called for response to those who didn't agree with his demented romanticized notion of transporting back to WWII would be a cool thing to do.
If I had a what-if wish, I would transport back to an Austrian inn on April 20th, 1889 and smother one new born baby while it slept.
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It wasn't the "fun what-if" question that got everybody's panties in a wad, it was this ...
rude and un-called for response to those who didn't agree with his demented romanticized notion of transporting back to WWII would be a cool thing to do.
If I had a what-if wish, I would transport back to an Austrian inn on April 20th, 1889 and smother one new born baby while it slept.
never said his response was called for but wow to wish to go back in time and nurser a baby has to be the most f ed up thing I've ever heard. Unlike most people I'm guessing, ihave had to kill someone up close and personal. Self defence yes but does it cloud my brain if I play a fort person shooter umm no but then again I've never fantasized about killing a baby. You are special. I'm done with this innocent starting thread since its now down to killing babies.
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but then again I've never fantasized about killing a baby. You are special. I'm done with this innocent starting thread since its now down to killing babies.
You don't have the sligthest idea what "baby" he was talking about, don't you? History not being your strong side, apparently. So no wonder his point flew right over your head :lol
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He was talking about Hitler. You arrogant a@# don't assume to know me snailman. I don't judge you don't judge me. Again people REALLY need to get over themselves
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never said his response was called for but wow to wish to go back in time and nurser a baby has to be the most f ed up thing I've ever heard. Unlike most people I'm guessing, ihave had to kill someone up close and personal. Self defence yes but does it cloud my brain if I play a fort person shooter umm no but then again I've never fantasized about killing a baby. You are special. I'm done with this innocent starting thread since its now down to killing babies.
well, to solve it, the April 20th, 1889 is the birthday of Hitler
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You don't have the sligthest idea what "baby" he was talking about, don't you? History not being your strong side, apparently. So no wonder his point flew right over your head :lol
I thought I left enough hints to Google with ... :headscratch:
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I thought I left enough hints to Google with ... :headscratch:
Hints do not work nowadays. You need to include a direct link with a big "click here" sign. But probably even that won't work ;)
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Again people REALLY need to get over themselves
Good advise ... you should embrace it.
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Now to answer the OPs question, if someone told me I could fly a ww2 fighter in combat for at least 6 months but I would pay for it with my life at the end of it, I would sure as hell go. For that matter, I would likely go even if it meant I would only be a grunt on the ground. Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afgan. Would I kill an innocent in cold blood? F no. Do I fear the carnage of war? F NO.
:lol you are so full of horse dung there hero...you think chuck norris can actually fire an m60 with one hand don't you.
MOS is 0311, stationed at Camp Pendleton,CA.my unit is the 11th MEU (Marine Expiditionary Unit)
if that is indeed true, then your comment about people's patriotism is even worse...i wouldn't be surprised if you still have that boot private smell on you...there is no glory in war, the sooner you get that through your skull the safer those who would have to fight beside you will be when the time actually comes to prove you have what it takes to do the job.
the 11th meu is a new composite unit...what unit did they drag you out of?
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Awe. The elite are getting mad. If you think Hitler had much to do with the start of the war your even more dumb.than you think I am
The end of ww1 was one of the biggest starters of ww2 in thanks to the sanction s and penalties put on Germany. Since there are so many history smart guys you also know the biggest threat to German victory was Hitler and his impatience. If I wasn't on aphone ode say more but it would not make a difference I'm sure of thatched @
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"again people REALLY need to get over themselves
Coming from the biggest, in-your-face, insulting blowhard
in the topic now that's a hoot.
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Awe. The elite are getting mad. If you think Hitler had much to do with the start of the war your even more dumb.than you think I am
Please stop. Please.
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I miss you Doomed.
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Never seen so many manly manhunters in one thread.
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If I had a what-if wish, I would transport back to an Austrian inn on April 20th, 1889 and smother one new born baby while it slept.
I wouldn't even do that. We know it was rough, but so far we're still here and things are, mostly, ok.
Make a change like that and who knows what happens. WWII starts and ends on one summer day in 1974 with us and the Soviets tossing nukes at each other?
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I wouldn't even do that. We know it was rough, but so far we're still here and things are, mostly, ok.
Make a change like that and who knows what happens. WWII starts and ends on one summer day in 1974 with us and the Soviets tossing nukes at each other?
or the maybe world would be at peace and resemble Shangri-La ... who knows ... but millions of lives may have been spared from cruel and horrible inhumane deaths.
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or the maybe world would be at peace and resemble Shangri-La ... who knows ... but millions of lives may have been spared from cruel and horrible inhumane deaths.
Yup. The problem is we don't know, but we do know how this path turned out, and it was rough, but we've made it pretty well so far all things considered. We'd be tossing out a known path in which we are successfully still here for an unknown.
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Yup. The problem is we don't know, but we do know how this path turned out, and it was rough, but we've made it pretty well so far all things considered. We'd be tossing out a known path in which we are successfully still here for an unknown.
A conundrum for sure.
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Thought about it a bit and realized I would go back...for these guys. Having gotten to know the survivors and the families of the guys killed from this 454th BG B24 Crew, I'd be willing to risk my neck for them. If somehow going back would let me do something to make sure they were not in the piece of air where that flak shell hit. It killed the pilot Richard Fry. It decapitated the co-pilot Al Brody, seriously wounded the flight engneer Harry Kincaid, which lead to his dying in pain months later in a POW hospital. It forced Bob Haws, Bob Jensen Russ Mars, Bob Slyder and Ed Stanton to bail out and endure months as POWs. If I could somehow help Don Bucholtz or Earle Kulhanek out of the plane, instead of them being trapped and forced to ride it down to their deaths. Earle was only 18 years old, just a kid and youngest of 8. If I could convince Jon Shepard to bail out right after Slyder instead of staying in the plane and dying. And maybe I can help Al Bender into a chute that works so that he doesn't fall to his death after getting out of the B24.
That's what I'd go back for. Those guys matter to me. They're 'my crew" and they'd be worth fighting for. Nothing romantic or glorious about it. I care about those guys and wish I could have been around to somehow stop what happened to them. Would I go back just to get into the fight? Nope.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/FryCrew-3.jpg)
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Thought about it a bit and realized I would go back...for these guys. Having gotten to know the survivors and the families of the guys killed from this 454th BG B24 Crew, I'd be willing to risk my neck for them. If somehow going back would let me do something to make sure they were not in the piece of air where that flak shell hit. It killed the pilot Richard Fry. It decapitated the co-pilot Al Brody, seriously wounded the flight engneer Harry Kincaid, which lead to his dying in pain months later in a POW hospital. It forced Bob Haws, Bob Jensen Russ Mars, Bob Slyder and Ed Stanton to bail out and endure months as POWs. If I could somehow help Don Bucholtz or Earle Kulhanek out of the plane, instead of them being trapped and forced to ride it down to their deaths. Earle was only 18 years old, just a kid and youngest of 8. If I could convince Jon Shepard to bail out right after Slyder instead of staying in the plane and dying. And maybe I can help Al Bender into a chute that works so that he doesn't fall to his death after getting out of the B24.
That's what I'd go back for. Those guys matter to me. They're 'my crew" and they'd be worth fighting for. Nothing romantic or glorious about it. I care about those guys and wish I could have been around to somehow stop what happened to them. Would I go back just to get into the fight? Nope.
Now that sir, is worth going back for. Very well said sir :salute
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/FryCrew-3.jpg)
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Guppy - would it be possible for you to list the names of the men in that photo so we'd know who was who?
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I do agree war is not fun and not wanted, but if the time came i would go and fight as a pilot
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Guppy - would it be possible for you to list the names of the men in that photo so we'd know who was who?
Back Row: Cpt. Richard Fry (Pilot) KIA, F/O Jon Shepard (Nav) KIA, Lt. Alvin Brody (Co-Pilot) KIA, Lt. Bob Slyder (Bombardier) POW
Middle Row: T/S Harry Kincaid (Engineer) POW-Died of wounds, T/S Don Bucholz (Radio-Op) KIA, T/S Bob Haws (Top-Turret) POW
Front Row: T/S Earle Kulhanek (W-Gunner) KIA, T/S Ed Stanton (W-Gunner) POW, T/S Russ Mars (Tail gunner) POW
They were a lead crew and had a Radar Nav also on board. Bob Jensen who was a POW, and a radar Bombardier Al Bender, who was KIA
They were a real cross section of the country too with Ohio, Alabama, Minnesota, California(2), Utah, Illinois, Wisconsin, Indiana, Florida, Pennsylvania, Nebraska represented. Youngest was 18, oldest 28
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Thank you Guppy! It amazes me how young and full of life these men looked. I suppose they knew the danger involved, but like most guys their age, always though it would happen to "the other guy." I get kinda choked up looking at the photo and thinking of what happened to them. Thanks again.
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Thought about it a bit and realized I would go back...for these guys. Having gotten to know the survivors and the families of the guys killed from this 454th BG B24 Crew, I'd be willing to risk my neck for them. If somehow going back would let me do something to make sure they were not in the piece of air where that flak shell hit. It killed the pilot Richard Fry. It decapitated the co-pilot Al Brody, seriously wounded the flight engneer Harry Kincaid, which lead to his dying in pain months later in a POW hospital. It forced Bob Haws, Bob Jensen Russ Mars, Bob Slyder and Ed Stanton to bail out and endure months as POWs. If I could somehow help Don Bucholtz or Earle Kulhanek out of the plane, instead of them being trapped and forced to ride it down to their deaths. Earle was only 18 years old, just a kid and youngest of 8. If I could convince Jon Shepard to bail out right after Slyder instead of staying in the plane and dying. And maybe I can help Al Bender into a chute that works so that he doesn't fall to his death after getting out of the B24.
That's what I'd go back for. Those guys matter to me. They're 'my crew" and they'd be worth fighting for. Nothing romantic or glorious about it. I care about those guys and wish I could have been around to somehow stop what happened to them. Would I go back just to get into the fight? Nope.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/FryCrew-3.jpg)
For those that didnt come back <Salute>
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