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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Oldman731 on May 20, 2011, 07:28:31 AM
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USRanger's beautiful map and the success of Shifty's Solomons setup prompt us to continue the Pacific campaign. More than a year has passed since yesterday.
“I HAVE RETURNED”
The Philippines Campaign 1944-45
AXIS (Knights)
Imperial Japanese Air Force
Ki-61 (Tony)
Ki-84 (Frank)
Ki-67 (Peggy)
C-47 (Tabby)
M-3 (sub for truck)
M-8 (sub for Type 95)
Imperial Japanese Navy
A6M5 (Zeke)(carrier only)
D3A (Val)(carrier only)
B5N (Kate)(carrier only)
G4M1 (Betty)(land-based)
PT boats
ALLIES (Bishops)
US Army
P-38L
P-47D-25
B-25H and -C (sub for -J)
A-20G
C-47
Jeep
M-3
M-8
M-16
M-4/75 Sherman
US Navy
F4U-1D
F6F-5
FM2
TBM
PT boats
SPECIAL NOTES:
Use Channel 200 for cross-country,
Channel 123 for your-side-only communications.
All unmanned ack is .25 (one-fourth MA standard).
Visibility is set at 12 miles.
Traditional AvA bombsight (must be calibrated).
Radar settings (1945) as follows:
Tower 237,600 (feet)
Sector 369,600
Fuel is 1.0 burn rate.
Ten troops required for base capture (map room setting
is .0015).
Town-down percentage is 50%.
Carriers will regenerate quickly.
Strat is disabled.
Friendly mid-airs are off.
Killshooter is on.
HISTORY:
The Philippines: Scene of repeated Allied
disasters at war's beginning. Clark Field.
Subic Bay. Corregidor. The Bataan Death
March. Now, on October 20, 1944,
having suffered through nearly three
years of cruel Japanese occupation, Filipinos
look to the skies and seas as the overwhelming,
merciless Allied forces return to set them
free. The campaign to retake the islands will
last through the end of the war. It will cost
the allies over 60,000 casualties, and will
take the lives of nearly 350,000 of the
Emperor's loyal, doomed subjects.
We have utilized USRanger's fine Guadalcanal
map as a generic representation of the area of
conflict.
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Interesting.
I'm not making judgements or anything, nor starting anything, but I'm curious why no N1K2 in this one? Seems to fit about that time and isn't really uber against the US rides. I know it's a bit of a late war plane but there was a similar mid-wing model earlier (N1K-J) that also had 4 20mm guns.
Just curious.
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Interesting.
I'm not making judgements or anything, nor starting anything, but I'm curious why no N1K2 in this one? Seems to fit about that time and isn't really uber against the US rides. I know it's a bit of a late war plane but there was a similar mid-wing model earlier (N1K-J) that also had 4 20mm guns.
Just curious.
Krusty,
This was another setup I was working on and hadn't quite finished. OM and Chilli had batted around a Philippines idea so I coughed it up and OM did some tweaking and improving. I originally left the N1K2 out and kind of encouraged OM to do the same since as you said it was the N1K1 used in the Philippines. If it gets bad I'm sure OM would consider adding it as a sub for the N1K1. We've been getting away from adding every aircraft possible in setups recently to a more streamlined approach hoping for a little more balance and intense fighting for both sides. Like anything else sometimes it works and sometimes... ;) All that aside it's good to see you in the arena again. I hope you'll continue to add your input.
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will bombsites for the b25C model be normal or manual?
(i really hate manual :( )
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will bombsites for the b25C model be normal or manual?
(i really hate manual :( )
I will refer you here for the answer... http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,313441.0.html#top
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I will refer you here for the answer... http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,313441.0.html#top
-reads through what is said again-
-still doesnt see an answer to my question-
-considers melvin even more of a fool than previously thought-
:)
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G P S in progress..... :confused:
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will bombsites for the b25C model be normal or manual?
(i really hate manual :( )
Last night in my G4M it was on "easy" mode, just FYI.
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Poor tyrannis. I guess I gave your reading comprehension skills far too much credit.
Oh well, there's always next year....
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Poor tyrannis. I guess I gave your reading comprehension skills far too much credit.
Oh well, there's always next year....
i havent flown the AVA much.
so :Traditional AvA bombsight" could mean anything to me.
which is the reason why i asked the question wether it was normal or manual.
so, your little retort post didnt answer my question at all.
now shoo melvin, its allmost summer break, isent there some middle schoolers a couple of topics down for you to go mock? ;)
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Yikes...
Sorry Oldman for the squabble. Looks like a great set-up. Hopefully I'll get a few hours this weekend to come get shot down.
:salute
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-reads through what is said again-
-still doesnt see an answer to my question-
-considers melvin even more of a fool than previously thought-
:)
geez tyrannis...come on dude, you're making me have to side with melvin...and you're getting melvin'd.
Traditional AvA bombsight (must be calibrated).
main arena style doesn't require calibration.
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This was another setup I was working on and hadn't quite finished. OM and Chilli had batted around a Philippines idea so I coughed it up and OM did some tweaking and improving. I originally left the N1K2 out and kind of encouraged OM to do the same since as you said it was the N1K1 used in the Philippines. If it gets bad I'm sure OM would consider adding it as a sub for the N1K1. We've been getting away from adding every aircraft possible in setups recently to a more streamlined approach hoping for a little more balance and intense fighting for both sides. Like anything else sometimes it works and sometimes... ;) All that aside it's good to see you in the arena again. I hope you'll continue to add your input.
This and a bit more. I tried to limit the plane set to aircraft that were actually in the Philippines. As near as I could tell the N1K - in any of its versions - never made it there. The version we have in AH doesn't appear even to have been used outside Japan, and didn't reach any kind of production numbers until most of the fighting in the Philippines was over. I'm happy to put it in if it there's a good source that puts it there.
- oldman
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Not to worry OM, just curious. It would lend something with a bit more firepower but other than that the bases are covered.
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Going to be a fun setup, Oldman! Thanks! :aok
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historically, the AVA has always used the manual bombsite(must be calibrated). if it was in easy mode, someone probably just forgot to switch it with the arena reset. im sure that will be fixed by tonight.
tyrannis, you can hate it, or learn to use it well. either option is your choice.
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historically, the AVA has always used the manual bombsite(must be calibrated). if it was in easy mode, someone probably just forgot to switch it with the arena reset. im sure that will be fixed by tonight.
tyrannis, you can hate it, or learn to use it well. either option is your choice.
The only AvA map i flew bombers on was the "8th comes over" scenario, and on there they had the normal bombsites.
is there a video or tutorial or something on how to do manual? ive really tried to use it, but idk, i just cant seem to do it right.
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The only AvA map i flew bombers on was the "8th comes over" scenario, and on there they had the normal bombsites.
is there a video or tutorial or something on how to do manual? ive really tried to use it, but idk, i just cant seem to do it right.
There are probably quite a few sources, Tyrannis, but most of them will be a few years old since they stopped using the realistic bomb sight in the other arenas a long time ago. You can get a pretty good idea from this thread:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,224640.0.html.
In fact, the fourth post down (by Larry) pretty well summarizes it.
- oldman
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no p-39`s?
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I don't recall the navy or marines using those much ..... :noid
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no p-39`s?
Research indicated that the 5th AF left the 39s and 40s behind in New Guinea when they moved on to the Philippines. Happy to put one or both in if there's a decent source that shows a presence.
- oldman
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Research indicated that the 5th AF left the 39s and 40s behind in New Guinea when they moved on to the Philippines. Happy to put one or both in if there's a decent source that shows a presence.
- oldman
World War II
The air echelons of the 21st and 34th Pursuit squadrons arrived in Philippines and were attached to the 24th Pursuit Group, being stationed at Nichols and Del Carmen Fields on Luzon.
Headquarters and a third squadron (70th) sailed for Manila on December 5 but because of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor they returned to Hamilton Field where the squadron flew some patrols.
The 21st and 34th Pursuit Squadrons fought in the Battle of the Philippines (1941–42). Both squadrons were wiped out in the battle, with the men eventually fighting as infantry during the Battle of Bataan. The survivors were subjected to the Bataan Death March, although some did escape to Australia.
Headquarters and the 70th squadron sailed for Brisbane, Australia on January 12, 1942. On January 15 all the combat squadrons were relieved and three others, still in the US, were assigned.
Headquarters reached Brisbane Australia in February 1942 while the squadrons had moved from the US to various locations (Ballarat, Mount Gambier, Williamstown, Woodstock) in Australia and were training for combat with P-39s.
From Australia, the 35th entered combat with Fifth Air Force, operating successively from bases in Australia, New Guinea, Owi, Morotai, and the Philippines. First used P-38s and P-39s; equipped with Republic P-47 Thunderbolts late in 1943 and with North American P-51 Mustangs in March 1945. The group helped to halt the Japanese advance in Papua and took part in the Allied offensive that recovered the rest of New Guinea, flying protective patrols over Port Moresby, escorting bombers and transports, attacking Japanese airfields and supply lines, and providing cover for Allied landings.
In 1944 the 35th began long-range missions against enemy airfields and installations in the southern Philippines, Halmahera, and Borneo, preparatory to the US invasion of the Philippines. Beginning in January 1945, operated in support of ground forces on Luzon. Also escorted bombers and completed some fighter sweeps to Formosa and China. Bombed and strafed railways and airfields in Kyūshū and Korea after moving to Okinawa in June 1945.
After the surrender of Japan, the group became part of Far East Air Forces occupation forces and trained, took part in maneuvers, and flew surveillance patrols over Honshū
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p40
Pacific theaters
By mid-1943, the USAAF was phasing out the P-40F (pictured); the two nearest aircraft, "White 116" and "White 111" were flown by the aces 1Lt Henry E. Matson and 1Lt Jack Bade, 44th FS, at the time part of AirSols, on Guadalcanal.
The P-40 was the main USAAF fighter aircraft in the South West Pacific and Pacific Ocean theaters during 1941–42.
In the first major battles, at Pearl Harbor and in the Philippines, USAAF P-40 squadrons suffered crippling losses on the ground and in the air to Japanese fighters such as the Ki-43 Oscar and A6M Zero.
However, in the Dutch East Indies campaign, the 17th Pursuit Squadron (Provisional), formed from USAAF pilots evacuated from the Philippines, claimed 49 Japanese aircraft destroyed, for the loss of 17 P-40s.[38] And in the Solomon Islands and New Guinea Campaigns, as well as the air defense of Australia, improved tactics and training allowed the USAAF to more effectively utilize the strengths of the P-40.
Due to aircraft fatigue, scarcity of spare parts and replacement problems, the US Fifth Air Force and Royal Australian Air Force created a joint P-40 management and replacement pool on 30 July 1942 and many P-40s went back and forth between both air forces.[39]
The 49th Fighter Group was in action in the Pacific from the beginning of the war. Robert DeHaven scored 10 kills (from 14 kills overall) in the P-40 with the 49th FG. He compared the P-40 favorably with the P-38:
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Yeah... Switched to P-47s in late '43. Per the description of this setup:
"The Philippines Campaign 1944-45"
Well after the switch from P-39s.
EDIT: You posted a followup while I was posting. The above is in reference to the P-39 as an addition to this setup.
EDIT2: Your P-40 quote is referencing 1942/43 also. I know they served later, and the RNZAF and so forth had P-40Es and Ns and some others as well (RAAF I think?), but the above quote isn't directly related to the setup posted.
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didnt see dates
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nom nom it's all food either way. nice looking setup.
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If you want to be picky, the 38J was still around into the beginning of 45 as the squadrons transitioned to the 38L. And of course the P51D/F6Ds arrived in January 45. Kearby's Thunderbolts became Mustang drivers and William Shomo had his MoH day over Luzon in January 45.
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tyrannis, id be more than happy to help you with the manual bomb site.
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:furious I want a P-38 J
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I think the 47 D-11 should be in when there are D-25s. Until they make a D21/22 its the only razorback we have, and they were definitely used through late '44. Broken record on this :old: but I'm a razorback champion!
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THE WEEK IN RETROSPECT
Thanks to Jimson we have these results:
A6M5b 92
B-25C 5
B-25H 3
D3A1 3
F4U-1D 48
F6F-5 61
FM2 73
Ki-61 40
Ki-84-Ia 154
P-38L 43
P-47-D25 21
AXIS KILL TOTAL: 289
ALLIED KILL TOTAL: 254
Official individual pilot records were not obtained this week. I apologize, but the process is quite involved if the same planes have been used in another setup during the month.
I, for one, am surprised at how well the Hellcat did compared to the Corsair. The Frank remains the king of late war PAC fighters, IMHO.
- oldman
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In this setup, sure. Most of the fights here are going to devolve to low-alt turn and burn on the deck. That's where the Ki-84 shines, where it makes the most power and where using its flaps will have the best effect.
No surprise there IMO.
I'm just sad I couldn't get in there. Been too busy.
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THE WEEK IN RETROSPECT
Thanks to Jimson we have these results:
A6M5b 92
B-25C 5
B-25H 3
D3A1 3
F4U-1D 48
F6F-5 61
FM2 73
Ki-61 40
Ki-84-Ia 154
P-38L 43
P-47-D25 21
AXIS KILL TOTAL: 289
ALLIED KILL TOTAL: 254
Official individual pilot records were not obtained this week. I apologize, but the process is quite involved if the same planes have been used in another setup during the month.
I, for one, am surprised at how well the Hellcat did compared to the Corsair. The Frank remains the king of late war PAC fighters, IMHO.
- oldman
I was 351-9 in the hellcat and 5-1 in the corsair. Screened out the earlier hellcat vs the early zekes.
Maybe 5-1 in the tony (screening out the prior setup) and 16-3 in the frank.
I decided to make the f6f my ride in this set up because i've always had struggles with it (and the 38 - ironically my two favorite rides in AW.)
I'm warming up to the F6F, especially in the appropriate setup as opposed to the MA.