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Title: Nothing to see here, move along
Post by: Debrody on May 20, 2011, 10:55:28 PM
Triplechecked, was a glitch   aplogizes
Title: Re: a6m3 speed?
Post by: JOACH1M on May 20, 2011, 11:10:25 PM
 :lol the plane is a speed demon, offline I get to like 470 before she's breaks!
Title: Re: a6m3 speed?
Post by: STEELE on May 20, 2011, 11:29:28 PM
yeah it will get goin fast at alt in a shallow dive tho, no biggie, its light and fast, plus roll goes out the toilet at 300+
The B29 pretty much destroyed the balance of Pacific FSO's, as no Japanese planes can catch it, so I give the new Hamp a BIG  :aok
Title: Re: a6m3 speed?
Post by: Debrody on May 20, 2011, 11:32:30 PM
yeah it will get goin fast at alt in a shallow dive tho, no biggie, its light and fast, plus roll goes out the toilet at 300+
The B29 pretty much destroyed the balance of Pacific FSO's, as no Japanese planes can catch it, so I give the new Hamp a BIG  :aok
Ya come on allied bomber dweebs, my zeek will OWN your B29s all  : )
Title: Re: a6m3 speed?
Post by: JOACH1M on May 20, 2011, 11:33:46 PM
Ya come on allied bomber dweebs, my zeek will OWN your B29s all  : )
Is it even possible for a zeke to kill a b29? :lol
Title: Re: a6m3 speed?
Post by: Debrody on May 20, 2011, 11:40:47 PM
  you kidding, bro?
Title: Re: a6m3 speed?
Post by: JOACH1M on May 20, 2011, 11:44:31 PM
with a 450mph zeek?  what climbs 3600ft/min at 40K? you kidding, bro? It eats everything at alt  :D  outruns the M-jug, out-accelerates for sure, also outturns and out-rocket-climbs. Fear the killer zeek  :devil
I thought Brewster was over modeled... :noid
Title: Re: a6m3 speed?
Post by: Debrody on May 20, 2011, 11:48:18 PM
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Title: Re: a6m3 speed?
Post by: StokesAk on May 20, 2011, 11:49:43 PM
I checked the speed charts, and there is no data for it above around 20k, must be a glitch.
Title: Re: a6m3 speed?
Post by: Drano on May 20, 2011, 11:53:33 PM
I'm a believer in the Hamp. Only guy in the squad that took in in frame 1 of this FSO and I got 5 kills in it. Seemed overly fast, roll rate was phenominal at all speeds, climb rate was ridiculous even over 30K as you found out. Held it's E like a friggin Jug. It totally outclassed the Hurri2C and Seafires I faced. Yeah, if I had 3 thumbs it'd get 3 thumbs up! Try this then    :aok :aok :aok
Title: Re: a6m3 speed?
Post by: Debrody on May 20, 2011, 11:57:07 PM
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Title: Re: a6m3 speed?
Post by: STEELE on May 21, 2011, 12:01:27 AM
wow, I just checked-rechecked triple checked it in MA at all alts, it never got above 340 if that, must be a little glitch in your comp.   I wouldnt worry about it, think Spit 16, Brewster, planes that do what no other plane should ever do IRL.  Plus we dont have ANY Japanse planes capable of catching the B29 at alts above 22k, (which really discouraged a lot of Axis FSO guys the last B29 month).  Plus the MG151/20 is still too slow RoF, and the 190A8 is overweight.  If its a little fast, so be it.   In FSO maybe AXis will have half a chance vs the hordes of B29  (then again, 2 pings from those tailguns and its all over anyway)
Title: Re: a6m3 speed?
Post by: STEELE on May 21, 2011, 04:14:58 AM
Rgr, same thing happend to me while chasing a TBM at 28K in a 152, i was doing 420, he was pulling away the whole time, lost sight of him after 10 minutes.  Once in a while it happens, then things go back to normal the next time.
wow, I just checked-rechecked triple checked it in MA at all alts, it never got above 340 if that, must be a little glitch in your comp.   I wouldnt worry about it, think Spit 16, Brewster  :devil. We dont have ANY Japanese planes capable of catching the B29 at alts above 22k, (which really discouraged a lot of Axis FSO guys the last B29 setup).  Plus the MG151/20 is still too slow RoF, and the 190A8 is overweight. (both of these statements come from other sources)
he Hamp, she's about 20mph faster than the a6m2, which is about perfect. Yes it can get crankin in a dive at hi alts, thinner air, less surface area than the A6M2. But so can the Ki84, If you're above say 15k, in the thin air.  Ive had it diving to 580+ with no problems, untill I hit the thicker air around 15k, then had to slow down QUICK!   :joystick:
Title: Re: a6m3 speed?
Post by: Karnak on May 21, 2011, 04:31:03 AM
wow, I just checked-rechecked triple checked it in MA at all alts, it never got above 340 if that, must be a little glitch in your comp.   I wouldnt worry about it, think Spit 16, Brewster, planes that do what no other plane should ever do IRL.  Plus we dont have ANY Japanse planes capable of catching the B29 at alts above 22k, (which really discouraged a lot of Axis FSO guys the last B29 month).  Plus the MG151/20 is still too slow RoF, and the 190A8 is overweight.  If its a little fast, so be it.   In FSO maybe AXis will have half a chance vs the hordes of B29  (then again, 2 pings from those tailguns and its all over anyway)
Other than the Fw190A-8 being overweight, do you have any supporting evidence for any of your other claims?  It all looks like complete bullcrap to me.

FSO's should enforce historical bomber cruise settings, but even so the Ki-84 should be able to overtake a B-29 at 22k.  It would be a massive hassle though.
Title: Re: Nothing to see here, move along
Post by: STEELE on May 21, 2011, 04:49:02 AM
I was quoting another member of the BBS about the rate-of-fire on the MG/151 20mil, from the Hispano Mk V post.  He did the research, that I couldnt find. As for the Axis flyers being discouraged during the B29 frames, was from simply listening to the other Axis guys during/after each frame.  I actually wanted to delete part of that post, but the "modify " button is gone, and I dont know how to do it without.  Any ideas?
Title: Re: Nothing to see here, move along
Post by: icepac on May 21, 2011, 05:06:34 PM
KI61 should fly to 35k but I can't get it over 30k.

Ki84 seems way too easy to bring up to 30k and I feel it can catch a b29.
Title: Re: Nothing to see here, move along
Post by: Karnak on May 21, 2011, 07:33:27 PM
I was quoting another member of the BBS about the rate-of-fire on the MG/151 20mil, from the Hispano Mk V post.  He did the research, that I couldnt find. As for the Axis flyers being discouraged during the B29 frames, was from simply listening to the other Axis guys during/after each frame.  I actually wanted to delete part of that post, but the "modify " button is gone, and I dont know how to do it without.  Any ideas?
You were informed in the thread about the Hispano Mk V vs. MG151/20 what the MG151/20's real rate of fire was.  It is correct in the game and the person who told you otherwise was in error.

The B-29A flying at full throttle will indeed be almost impossible to stop.  That is why in FSOs, which are supposed to be at least somewhat based on historical stuff, bombers should be limited to their cruise settings and players who insist on using full throttle should be reprimanded and/or booted.
Title: Re: Nothing to see here, move along
Post by: Nefarious on May 25, 2011, 10:35:23 AM
As the designer of the April FSO (The B-29 FSO), the B-29 suffered catastrophic losses in frames 1 and 2. They were limited to a 22K Alt Cap.
Title: Re: Nothing to see here, move along
Post by: Tyrannis on June 01, 2011, 03:22:50 AM
...was this another b29 whine thread?  :uhoh
Title: Re: Nothing to see here, move along
Post by: StokesAk on June 01, 2011, 01:57:27 PM
nah
Title: Re: Nothing to see here, move along
Post by: icepac on June 02, 2011, 09:57:56 AM
LOL....this started as a thread where someone noticed the A6M3 had a typo in the flight model that caused it to become uber fast at super high altitudes to the tune of maintaining 460 mph at 42,499 feet with drop tank and 100% fuel.

I would guess the error was either in the 2nd speed of the supercharger or drag because climb and speed greatly increased while climbing through 21k feet with E6B opened.

The original poster realized there would be a short window of opportunity to harness this for a few days worth of fun before someone else found it out and quickly edited out all reference to said uberness.

The fact that it wasn't common knowledge only hours after the flawed FM was posted in a patch is a complete mystery and even more so that it still took weeks after I announced the details on channel 200 before anyone else noticed it.

I guess they thought it was something along the lines of someone announcing "alt/f4 gives you unlimited ammo!!" and didn't have the curiousity to check themselves.

I discovered it day 1 because I fly every plane up as high as it can go on first flying it but didn't fly it much until recently as the other A6M weaknesses such as lack of armor and the shedding of control surfaces at high speeds negates much of the advantage of the FM error because the type of plane most often found over 30k feet is usually a bomber piloted by a very experienced aces high pilot who welcomes any zero pilot dumb enough to embrace the warmth of his 50 caliber guns.

At normal aces high altitudes, it is still a very sweet plane after it was fixed yesterday.

It was good for 163 hunting though most ended with dying to ack after chasing the 163 who had run to city/HQ/base ack or by my augering in after losing control surfaces in the aforementioned chase but I found many 163s that simply alt/f4 or augered in far enough away that I did not receive kill credit.

More than a few times, it was vs 3x me163 at 42k feet so I only could press an attack if one strayed too far from the others or two ran out of fuel because I made sure to drag them away from any potential bases for landing during the maneuvering.

A couple of the smarter ones upped p47 or ta152 and the high altitude advantage was mostly negated by thier wise plane choice.

It was fun while it lasted and tasting the me163 blood has ensured that I will continue to hunt them in planes like the c202, a6m5, and anything else thought to be unsuitable for the task.