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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Rash on May 29, 2011, 09:03:54 PM
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I came close about 15 years ago, and I wouldn't of know any difference. Mom said she's afraid she might miss something important.
Rash
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Cessation of existence is non-appealing.
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I have no fear of death. I'ts the dying part I'm not thrilled about.
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i dont want to die. i came very close 1 year ago when i got lost in the mohaje for a few days. id rather not talk about it but it was definately one of the worst time in my life so far.
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For me, it's the absence of being or of thought in general. If I could at least have conscious thought, I'd be fine. Would be fine with any afterlife as well (not bringing that topic into this thread if I can help it). For me, one the scariest things about death is the fact that I'll forget everything and not even know it.
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Leaving everyone I love behind.
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Just make it clean and fast and I won't care.
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I have no fear of death. I'ts the dying part I'm not thrilled about.
I couldn't say it any better. It's not the fact that I know it's going to happen to me, it's just HOW? :huh
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No pain would be the best way to go. But why you don't want to go?
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I fell about 25 feet while working almost 8 years ago. People who saw it, tell me that if I hadn't hit something on the way down I would have gone in head first. Still messed me up pretty badly. But to the question... I don't want to die because I have a lot going for myself now. There are a lot of good times in my future, God willing.
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I've had a good handful of near death experiences.....one I was laying in a field after crashing my motorcycle with a collapsed lung and internal injuries.
I knew then I wasn't ready to die but when your in pain like that you almost want to.
I'm not afraid to die but I think everyone should at least get the chance to love and have a family of their own before they go.
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I've had a good handful of near death experiences.....one I was laying in a field after crashing my motorcycle with a collapsed lung and internal injuries.
I knew then I wasn't ready to die but when your in pain like that you almost want to.
I'm not afraid to die but I think everyone should at least get the chance to love and have a family of their own before they go.
I had to have CPR done after I drowned in the pool a the YMCA, me not being able to swim plus the pool being full of kids, I got kicked to the bottom but one of the people watching saw me at the bottom and rescued me. I was 8 but hell I still remember it.
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I had to have CPR done after I drowned in the pool a the YMCA, me not being able to swim plus the pool being full of kids, I got kicked to the bottom but one of the people watching saw me at the bottom and rescued me. I was 8 but hell I still remember it.
that is one of the reasons i dont go to public swimming areas. also you never know if someone has recently pee'd in the area and you get a mouthful of water...
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that is one of the reasons i dont go to public swimming areas. also you never know if someone has recently pee'd in the area and you get a mouthful of water...
It was a small pool, 5 foot deep, maybe 20 by 20, bout 30 kinds in there at once. Also most pools have chemicals in them so if someone does pee it kills all the bacteria. I hardly doubt that water was clean, and I got a lung full of it. :uhoh
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I'd miss the Avengers movie.
That and frozen custard, plus a few other things.
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See Rule #14
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This is the topic I've been waiting for during my entire forum career. I am a self-taught philosopher (and have been described as such by numerous friends and family members).
Here is a short treatise that I have composed regarding death, thought and immortality:
The Immortal Mind
By Penguin
I think, therefore I am. However, death is the cessastion of all biolgical processes, including thought. Therefore I will cease to be when I cease to think; the cessation of thought is death. Therefore, if I die, then I cease to be. This raises the question, why should I wish to be?
To ask oneself why one wishes to be is equivalent to asking the meaning of life. To ascertain the meaning of life requires thought. The meaning of life, in and of itself, is a thought or thoughts. If I cease to think, then I cannot ascertain the meaning of life, for it requires thought. Furthermore, the enjoyment of life has the same prerequisite as the the meaning of life- thought.
One can derive from this logic that in order to enjoy and ascertain the meaning of life, one must think. If death is the cessation of thought, then it is the cessation of the enjoyment and meaning of life. Therefore, without death, life would continue to provide enjoyment and meaning.
If death ends the enjoyment and meaning of life, then life must provide enjoyment and meaning. Therefore, I do not wish to die because if I were to then I would not be able to enjoy myself and ascertain the meaning of life. With that established, I will now describe my conclusion in detail.
Enjoyment- endless life is equivalent to endless enjoyment, such as food, sex, art, science and adventure. If I were able to live endlessly, I would be able to taste the most delicious food, make love with the loveliest women, appreciate the highest art, enjoy the benefits of the most advanced science, and go on the greatest adventures.
Meaning- enless life enables to ascertainment of its meaning via such lengthy research that its meaning can be prised out by trial and error if nothing else. The endless debates, though tiring, would make my information infinite, allowing me to distill the meaning of life down to an essence.
To boil my point down to an essence: To live is to think, to live infinitely is to achieve infinite wisdom.
-Penguin
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because there are people that care about me and now people i REALLY care about.
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Because there's a lot of stuff that I want to do, most of them costing $$$. So, I need to live long so I can work many years to finally be able to afford it. Simple really. :old:
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in the words of the all-knowing spock:
LIVE LONG...AND PROSPER
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I'm glad nobody said "Because I've yet to beat Bruv." :D
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Great post Penguin BUT:
Once you get a lot older the copy and paste stuff that may make you feel smart may work out in your favor (NOT) BUT first live the stories like leave home first and get a life then work hard, have a family and do it with style or you will just end up in uni talking crap to people that dont listen as they also talk crap they haven't done or couldn't as they are stuck tiring to look better than people who lived.
Forkit
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There was a point where I stood on the edge both literally and figuratively. Nothing to live for. That's changed. Now I'm married and have two sons. I don't want to die now and miss them growing up, nor do I want them to grow up without a Father or leave my wife alone. Other than that I've very little to live for, having lost all my ambitions and dreams or more accurately gave them up after stopping fooling myself.
I don't believe in life after death. You just go blank, it was going under general anaesthetic in hospital that convinced me of that. One microsecond I was aware before the operation, the next I was awake hours later. No transition at all. Death must be similar. But I will live on in my sons who already have demonstrated they are essentially chips off the old block, sadly for them :D
It's nice to think your consciousness lives on but I fear it doesn't. So death is to be postponed as long as possible.
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I do not want to die... have come close a few times.. Its the primeval fear of a human being, as Karnak said, the cessation of existance is non-appealing.
But the dying is to me the crucial part. You see, I fear death, but what I fear worse (and this is not cheap humour) is leaving this earth, crappily.
Dying in bed would not appeal.
"Backwards at 200 mph through the gates of hell on fire is a more stylish entrance to the afterlife" - Jeremy Clarkson on The Koenigsegg GTR
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The jimmy v speach put it in perspective for me.
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Partly because death isn't an appealing prospect, life is fun, and I'm an only child. For some reason, I find the idea of dying without realising you're about to die particularly unappealing - no idea why, though.
Also fudgums - thanks for posting that.
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I've had a good handful of near death experiences.....one I was laying in a field after crashing my motorcycle with a collapsed lung and internal injuries.
I knew then I wasn't ready to die but when your in pain like that you almost want to.
I'm not afraid to die but I think everyone should at least get the chance to love and have a family of their own before they go/quote]
Damn Belial, I think i'll stop calling you names when you kill my M4. Laying with a collapsed lung in a rice paddy at 18 years old for over 8 hours gave me an awful long time to reflect on living or dying. Now living thru it with 3 kids, 10 grandkids I look back and am glad it didn't end then. I'll think of you differently I think being a member of the struggling to breathe on one lung club as the other whistles uselessly. Glad you pulled out of it, I will try to remember to salute you more often after I blow your t34/85 up :x. :salute
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Great post Penguin BUT:
Once you get a lot older the copy and paste stuff that may make you feel smart may work out in your favor (NOT) BUT first live the stories like leave home first and get a life then work hard, have a family and do it with style or you will just end up in uni talking crap to people that dont listen as they also talk crap they haven't done or couldn't as they are stuck tiring to look better than people who lived.
Forkit
I wrote that myself. :( It's sad, really, no-one wants to believe that a kid can have deep thoughts. I could write another treatise if you'd like.
-Penguin
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I'm invincible. Plus I was imformed I must remain for awhile...at least until the devil can get his full pension. :devil
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penguin, you need to get a life boy...i see a lot of misguided angst and possible self pity brought on by a sheltered life...get out and live a little, and don't use your parents as an excuse.
to the op, it's great that you squeakers somewhat have some self understanding but, you're not alone...if you could get your peers to drop their b.s. macho act long enough to actually speak intelligently, you would find that out...perhaps one day you will understand it's that fear that keeps you from doing stupid things...it's when you no longer have that fear that you need to make sure your life insurance is paid up.
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I've been to enough funerals to understand how difficult it is for those who remain. That, and I'm having a pretty good time at the moment... :aok
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In 2006. according to the doctors I came within about an hour of checking out. I was in a diabetic coma and
fortunately my parents got concerned when I didn't answer my phone or emails. They drove 1.5 hours and somehow
managed to rouse me enough that I could unlock my apartment door.
I don't remember the ambulance ride to the hospital, and I didn't feel any pain. The biggest regret I would have
had was not being able to say goodbye to my family, or tell them how I felt about them.
Over the past few years I've had some pretty hard knocks and spent alot of time in hospitals. I truly appreciate
my friends and family and try to let them know as often as I can.
We never know how long life will be, so don't sweat the small stuff. Try to remember that the next time you are
getting ready to pop a blood vessel while playing AH :D
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Why don't you want to die?
Sex, Bacon and Chocolate are pretty high on the list.
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I came close about 15 years ago, and I wouldn't of know any difference. Mom said she's afraid she might miss something important.
Rash
Die? No way
-1992 I was woked up in my WV Camper from over 20 Nazi Skinheads near Saulgau Germany..
-1997 I HO crashed with my 1988 Le Baron HO with a 7,5t truck
before 3 yeahrs at the Check my Doc Say ed " You have Bloodcancer you don't have long to live" my work college say ed"You Doc is Stupid if you are over 40 you don't have a Dirty crap in you're veins instead of Blood":)
-yesterday at the Supermarket someone parked beside me with Big Letters " JESUS IAM COMMING SOON TO YOU"
I grabbed my kids and throw in car and drove fast way....
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i culdnt care less if i died tomorrow. not at all. no problem with that. but before that, i at least want to be able to pull off some really big thing people will remember me for. thats all. maybe i dont mind dying because of the fact that my dad is a funeral director...? make any sense? i pipe at funerals too, so dead people dont freak me out. unless they start walking of course.
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Why don't you want to die?
Sex, Bacon and Chocolate are pretty high on the list.
Well, perhaps not in that order.
You will be able to enjoy the bacon and chocolate long after your little soldier loses his ability to salute. :devil
Besides, bacon and chocolate do not have opinions :rofl
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There was a point where I stood on the edge both literally and figuratively. Nothing to live for. That's changed. Now I'm married and have two sons. I don't want to die now and miss them growing up, nor do I want them to grow up without a Father or leave my wife alone. Other than that I've very little to live for, having lost all my ambitions and dreams or more accurately gave them up after stopping fooling myself.
I don't believe in life after death. You just go blank, it was going under general anaesthetic in hospital that convinced me of that. One microsecond I was aware before the operation, the next I was awake hours later. No transition at all. Death must be similar. But I will live on in my sons who already have demonstrated they are essentially chips off the old block, sadly for them :D
It's nice to think your consciousness lives on but I fear it doesn't. So death is to be postponed as long as possible.
I know how you must have felt. I too was at that point where I had no reason to live. I was never sure why I even woke up each morning to live another day of hating everything, not wanting to do anything other than ending it. It's tough on you both mentally and physically. Then just like you, I found something I enjoyed and it gave me a reason to live on. I have never been more happy today than I have ever been in my life. I refuse to die before I am able to repay that which has saved my life. Big :salute to those who can stand at the edge and be able to turn around, and those who helped those people.
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looking at 20 dead gook civilians,
"the dead know only one thing, it's better to be alive."
The joker, full metal jacket.
me personally, i can always die tomorrow but today I want to live. I have attempted suicide many times, actually the only thing I was pretty good in life is sucking at not killing myself. Then i found out I have a mental disease. I am not a looney, at least I dont think so, but when the mood changes hit me, that's when I start thinking harder that life is not too bad after all and that I should live a little longer after all I can always live today and die tomorrow, but I cant die today and live tomorrow.
If you start questioning yourself if why you should be alive, then you should get help to figure out why you feel that way. I did, and it changed the way I look at life.
semp
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the things ya learn around here... :huh :O :headscratch:
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I don;t because I am not sure if I would like being dead. If I don;t like it, I won't be able to change my my mind so I ll try to stick around until I know for sure :rofl
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i dont want to die. i came very close 1 year ago when i got lost in the mohaje for a few days. id rather not talk about it but it was definately one of the worst time in my life so far.
I had to have CPR done after I drowned in the pool a the YMCA, me not being able to swim plus the pool being full of kids, I got kicked to the bottom but one of the people watching saw me at the bottom and rescued me. I was 8 but hell I still remember it.
You guys are really a pair of bookends.
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You guys are really a pair of bookends.
Was that the filter talking, or did you really use the word bookends?
:D
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Was that the filter talking, or did you really use the word bookends?
:D
Don't make fun of him. He is old! That was a cool word when he was in high school :neener:
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:rofl
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penguin, you need to get a life boy...i see a lot of misguided angst and possible self pity brought on by a sheltered life...get out and live a little, and don't use your parents as an excuse.
to the op, it's great that you squeakers somewhat have some self understanding but, you're not alone...if you could get your peers to drop their b.s. macho act long enough to actually speak intelligently, you would find that out...perhaps one day you will understand it's that fear that keeps you from doing stupid things...it's when you no longer have that fear that you need to make sure your life insurance is paid up.
I have no self pity or angst, and I don't blame my parents at all. :eek: If it came out that way I didn't mean it, I'm glad that I can think and speak like I do. :) Yes, part of it comes from not getting out much, but there are so many ideas inside my head that I don't really have much interest in conversation; it bores me.
-Penguin
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I have prayed for my death, wished it every moment from around the ages of 7 or so...until I witnessed the birth of my daughter, 17 years ago, now I just want to see my kids grow up and try to enjoy this crazy world we live in, it may not be perfect, but it is what we have, and I enjoy being alive and free.
most have no idea how precious life is, if they did we would never have wars and all the evil that goes on.
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Unexpected thing while hiking today, 3 1/2 miles to and back cause we turned around after we swam. Water was god awful cold, but I swam around a bit. Then When I was easing myself off a rock I slid under the water and got sucked into some sort of hole, scary as crap cause I swallowed a ton of water, took me a few seconds to stop sinking before I swam up to the surface, then my friend did the same thing as me!
But yeah it was fun until that happened. We went hiking in Hollywood, Georgia. Forget the name of the park or whatever but it was a never ending twist of trails and drops.
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Unexpected thing while hiking today, 3 1/2 miles to and back cause we turned around after we swam. Water was god awful cold, but I swam around a bit. Then When I was easing myself off a rock I slid under the water and got sucked into some sort of hole, scary as crap cause I swallowed a ton of water, took me a few seconds to stop sinking before I swam up to the surface, then my friend did the same thing as me!
But yeah it was fun until that happened. We went hiking in Hollywood, Georgia. Forget the name of the park or whatever but it was a never ending twist of trails and drops.
I bet you if I started a thread about meteors hitting earth you and your friend will post a story of a near miss of a meteor hitting your house? :rofl
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I bet you if I started a thread about meteors hitting earth you and your friend will post a story of a near miss of a meteor hitting your house? :rofl
Wow your cool :D
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Honest, too :aok
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I survived a Pulmanary Embolisim in 2009. My doc said I had a 15% chance to live and I pulled through. Aparently I have something more to do with my life that still is left undone. I am taking this second chance to heart and living it for my family. I looked into my wifes eyes at the ER and said that I loved her with all my heart. I held her so tight that I thought I would squeeze her do death. Yeah, it sounds like a line but I really thought at that moment how we take our lives for granted. All the things I would lose like holding my boys and walking along a beach with my wife. Flying with my sons and teaching them to land their first airplane. Attending my sons graduation from college. Witnessing my daughter graduating next year from AF Academy. At that moment you look back at your life and wonder if you did it right and what you would do with a second chance.
JUGMAN
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I'm just too stubborn.
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I know how you must have felt. I too was at that point where I had no reason to live. I was never sure why I even woke up each morning to live another day of hating everything, not wanting to do anything other than ending it. It's tough on you both mentally and physically. Then just like you, I found something I enjoyed and it gave me a reason to live on. I have never been more happy today than I have ever been in my life. I refuse to die before I am able to repay that which has saved my life. Big to those who can stand at the edge and be able to turn around, and those who helped those people.
Yes it's amazing the way things change. I gave it one more chance when I met my now wife, she tells me she nearly walked away several times but saw something that kept her coming back. Now we have two beautiful sons, we still can't believe it.
Recently I had a dream where I went back in time to meet my teenage self. Think of it, what an opportunity. He, (I) bounced out the door ready to listen to the future me. So what did I tell him? Nothing, do whatever you like, I told him, 'It all works out.' Thus condeming him to a life of misery and failure for many years. When I woke up, I wondered what the hell that was about. But the message of the dream is to let it go, if you did anything different you would never had your sons. Losing my sons would be the worst thing ever. Since then, I am more relaxed about everything and have let all the regrets go. You appreciate every day you are alive.
Life is still tough enough, I don't make much money and there are worries but life is good in a way that it never was before. So who wants to die? Not me!
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Honest, too :aok
If I had a picture of the area we swam at I would post it but I only got a few pictures and video's of about half way, the chances of we catching my accident on camera were remote.
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Then When I was easing myself off a rock I slid under the water and got sucked into some sort of hole, scary as crap cause I swallowed a ton of water, took me a few seconds to stop sinking before I swam up to the surface, then my friend did the same thing as me!
You really are a piece of work ... how long is your nose now ?
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Survival instinct is a deep rooted primary instinct in all living beings. If it's missing there's something seriously wrong with you.
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You really are a piece of work ... how long is your nose now ?
I bet he has a story for that one too. "That one time, when we got swallowed by a wale . . . . . . . and I did not take any pictures inside, only outside . . . . .. . " :rofl
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Well, I can tell you a story.
Coming back from Tasmania, (island south of Australia). I was in a 737 coming into land at Adelaide International airport. However we had alot of wind that night. And as we were coming into land, I felt the aircraft's right wing stall... at about 2000 ft, the pilot caught it just in time and we did the whole circut again.
I saw the lights of Adelaide rushing up towards me from my window seat. NOW THAT, was scary as hell. My dad said that in all his years of aviation, that was the closest he has come to dying. And I would believe him. If you dont believe me, I can describe the pilots face, I have never seen someone so pale in all my life, he seriously looked as if he needed a new set of pants.
@Penguin I agree with the Adults I am afraid, you may have lots of ideas in your head. And you may use intellectual processes to make you sound intelligent. But the truth is, your as naieve, closed minded and dull as the people you so try to outclass. Infinite wisdom does not come from infiinite life. In fact, it would primarily be the knowledge of impending doom that brings forth wisdom. One cannot strive to learn or improve, if there is no deadline by which to work. While it is true to quote Robert E Lee - "A mans education ends when he dies". This does not necessarily mean translation of intellectual process or thought. Wisdom is brought about by the experiences of life and the acceptance of mortality, and there is a very large difference between intelligence and Wisdom. You try to argue, you try to prove your points with fact and logic alone. And while I may argue on Emotional points what you call "Straw man fallecy's" or "Emotional appeals". I am in fact making a point. Debates are won with fact this is true. However, fact is open to interpretation and intellectual inquiry, and as all human beings act upon emotion, no matter how logical they are. They will respond better to an emotional appeal than they would to an intellectual one. Besides, trolling you and inciting a response is an awful lot of fun. Its also rather funny to humour you. And I can guarantee that I would win a debate with both fact and emotional appeal, than you would with just fact. All politicians will tell you, the moral dimension, is the key.
Simple fact is not a base to work on. One needs to factor in the experiences, the perception of events, the perception of facts. And the discerning between what is right, what is wrong and what has to be done. Wisdom can only be achieved.. by living. And you will not live a single day in your life Penguin, without utilising the skills you have in the real world and using those things known as emotions. Because funnily enough, I am a self taught philosopher as well and it is my honest opinion. That intelligence is not measured by what one knows, but rather, how one sees it.
QED
@ F22Raptordude
Cool story bro
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I do want to die, just not right now.
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Well, I can tell you a story.
Coming back from Tasmania, (island south of Australia). I was in a 737 coming into land at Adelaide International airport. However we had alot of wind that night. And as we were coming into land, I felt the aircraft's right wing stall... at about 2000 ft, the pilot caught it just in time and we did the whole circut again.
I saw the lights of Adelaide rushing up towards me from my window seat. NOW THAT, was scary as hell. My dad said that in all his years of aviation, that was the closest he has come to dying. And I would believe him. If you dont believe me, I can describe the pilots face, I have never seen someone so pale in all my life, he seriously looked as if he needed a new set of pants.
@Penguin I agree with the Adults I am afraid, you may have lots of ideas in your head. And you may use intellectual processes to make you sound intelligent. But the truth is, your as naieve, closed minded and dull as the people you so try to outclass. Infinite wisdom does not come from infiinite life. In fact, it would primarily be the knowledge of impending doom that brings forth wisdom. One cannot strive to learn or improve, if there is no deadline by which to work. While it is true to quote Robert E Lee - "A mans education ends when he dies". This does not necessarily mean translation of intellectual process or thought. Wisdom is brought about by the experiences of life and the acceptance of mortality, and there is a very large difference between intelligence and Wisdom. You try to argue, you try to prove your points with fact and logic alone. And while I may argue on Emotional points what you call "Straw man fallecy's" or "Emotional appeals". I am in fact making a point. Debates are won with fact this is true. However, fact is open to interpretation and intellectual inquiry, and as all human beings act upon emotion, no matter how logical they are. They will respond better to an emotional appeal than they would to an intellectual one. Besides, trolling you and inciting a response is an awful lot of fun. Its also rather funny to humour you. And I can guarantee that I would win a debate with both fact and emotional appeal, than you would with just fact. All politicians will tell you, the moral dimension, is the key.
Simple fact is not a base to work on. One needs to factor in the experiences, the perception of events, the perception of facts. And the discerning between what is right, what is wrong and what has to be done. Wisdom can only be achieved.. by living. And you will not live a single day in your life Penguin, without utilising the skills you have in the real world and using those things known as emotions. Because funnily enough, I am a self taught philosopher as well and it is my honest opinion. That intelligence is not measured by what one knows, but rather, how one sees it.
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@ F22Raptordude
Cool story bro
So that's how they organise pants in Australia, sets, not pairs. :) (Not meant to be taken as a joke; it's fun to learn things about other cultures).
I mean any jokes in here good-naturedly, and I hope you mean the same.
Alright Plawranc, if you're ready, let's begin the debate. Let's use only facts and logic, because this is a meeting of the minds; not politics (another game entirely, but I love it dearly nonetheless). I won't ask you to revise your last post, I'll simply respond.
First off, ad hominem argument. No matter how dull or naieve I am, 2+2=4. Next, real argument. First off, your quote does not support your claim. If we learn throughout our entire lives, then my point is valid (unless you misquoted, and that's fine too; fix it if you did so). I would argue the opposite, if we live forever, our wisdom will accrue simply by living. Your next point is another ad hominem, but this time you build yourself up instead of tearing me down. Politics is irrelevant here. You finished with a touch of flame, and more boasting.
I don't see anything here but you (self-admittedly) trolling me, and a bit of weaksauce argument thrown in just for show.
-Penguin
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Rebuttal:
Mathematical processes. These do not have a bearing on my argument. It is established that yes 2+2 =4, well done have a cookie, however for one making accusations of weaksauce arguments, this is pretty high on my list.
My argument is speaking, (my apologies for not clarifying) of literary fact (Humanities, Literary Works, Drama etc), not Mathematical Process or Scientific process.
But to play along .what if I were to say to you, "I don't believe in mathematics.." what then? Now I will conceede that this is highly unlikely and it is very easily proven that the person is wrong. But what can you say or do to change their opinion? While it may be fact, do they have to accept it? no.. they don't. Their interpretation may be completely different from yours. Their OPINION may be different from yours. They do not neccessarily have to follow the same process nor act upon the same motive as you or I do.
It is a FACT. That most human beings will act on emotional grounds rather than intellectual. It is a FACT. That most will deny all intellectual process if they contradict faith. And it is a FACT. That while you may use a system that is generally considered the standard process. If one chooses to interpret the process or argument differently and with conviction, there is little you can do to change it other than through persuasion.
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The quote may have been misused in my argument, however it does stand true.
My argument is that one cannot confuse education, with wisdom. Nor can one confuse experience with wisdom. It is a combination of the two, however they alone cannot succeed without a crucial component.
Wisdom is brought forward by understanding, seeing the bigger picture, the expanding of perception. There are some people at age 80 who are about as intelligent as a dung beatle (I have met them) and ones at 30, who I would follow to the end of the Earth if they said thats what I should do. Learning endless stores of facts do nothing save bank up information. And even if one could live forever, there is no way one could expect to experience LITERALLY everything, and even if one experienced their fair share. If one did not approach those experiences differently or learn from them... they serve no purpose at all.
It is the development of emotional understanding, the understanding of the greater effect of something, the analysis of everyones opinions, thoughts and motivations, and taking those feelings into account.
It is FACT. That intelligence is not measured by age. It is FACT that experiences do not directly translate to knowledge. And there is no PROVEN link between the two and the General Perception of Wisdom.
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And finally. Yes, you are right. Well spotted.
The psyche of a crowd will invariably react better to someone who sounds and acts superior. They will also react more strongly on the grounds of emotion than they will fact (depends on audience but this is working on average). And one must appeal to the opinions and emotions of the audience/spectators, If one does not.. you have lost before you began.
And yes, I do like trolling you, and I do like flaming you penguin. Because its hysterical to watch you rant on.
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I dn't want to die because there's still some chicks left on my list :banana:
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I do want to die, just not right now.
Exactly. Immortality would be awful. I'm not scared of death at all, but I'm not going to go look for it. Although if I died tomorrow, it sure has been a fun ride.
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And finally. Yes, you are right. Well spotted.
The psyche of a crowd will invariably react better to someone who sounds and acts superior. They will also react more strongly on the grounds of emotion than they will fact (depends on audience but this is working on average). And one must appeal to the opinions and emotions of the audience/spectators, If one does not.. you have lost before you began.
And yes, I do like trolling you, and I do like flaming you penguin. Because its hysterical to watch you rant on.
One question; why did you put your argument into three different posts? Did you argue, take a break, argue, take a break, and then finish? It just seems a bit odd (and makes it a pain to quote you- yes, I'm that lazy).
@First Post
2+2=4 Was weaksauce, and had no bearing. Point well taken. (Oof!) I had made a weaksauce attempt to explain ad hominem. If you were to say that you didn't believe in mathematics, I'd :rofl. I would not have a prepared rebuttal to that argument, since it is such an absurd statement. Your point seems to be; "No matter how wrong I am, or how right you are, I am too stubborn to change". That doesn't advance your point at all. Actually, neither extreme is the case. Humans act on a mixture of emotion and logic. I've encountered people who lean each way, and the more extreme they are, the more strange they become.
@Second Post
However, living forever allows you to do whatever you want. Even if you tick off a whole bunch of people, just wait a century or two and everyone will forget. You are right, wisdom is a combination of experience and knowledge. However, if W (Wisdom) = E (Experience) + K (Knowledge), then knowing more will increase your wisdom accordingly, since you will have more chances to experience things and be able to spend more time educating yourself. Therefore, a longer life (assuming that you don't just sit on your laurels) will enable you to become more wise.
@Third Post
Thank-you for admitting that I was right. However, your point about ranting is actually hypocritical; my post was only about a paragraph, you wrote around four.
-Penguin
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For me, why do I want to stay on this rock and continue converting oxygen to carbon dioxide?
a few reasons:
Too much stuff I still want to do. Fly again (my PPL has not been current in almost 20 years) and even more than just to fly but to take flight in an aircraft either that I have built or better yet of my own design.
I want to see England and all of the UK. My bloodlines originate there and I have always wanted to visit her.
My children, Cailyn and James. My grandfather died when my father was 9 years old and I would never wish for my children to know a day when I wasn't there for them. That, and they're gonna have to change my diaper one day just as payback!
And my parents. I've been told one of the worst things in life is for a parent to have to bury their child, regardless of age. I'd rather spare them that burden if I have a say in it.
I've pretty much come to the conclusion that no matter how crappy or desperate life, work, etc gets, I could never purposefully take my own life. There's just too much to stay alive for.
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For me, why do I want to stay on this rock and continue converting oxygen to carbon dioxide?
a few reasons:
Too much stuff I still want to do. Fly again (my PPL has not been current in almost 20 years) and even more than just to fly but to take flight in an aircraft either that I have built or better yet of my own design.
I want to see England and all of the UK. My bloodlines originate there and I have always wanted to visit her.
My children, Cailyn and James. My grandfather died when my father was 9 years old and I would never wish for my children to know a day when I wasn't there for them. That, and they're gonna have to change my diaper one day just as payback!
And my parents. I've been told one of the worst things in life is for a parent to have to bury their child, regardless of age. I'd rather spare them that burden if I have a say in it.
I've pretty much come to the conclusion that no matter how crappy or desperate life, work, etc gets, I could never purposefully take my own life. There's just too much to stay alive for.
Meh, everyone thinks they have a good reason to contribute to global warming :old:
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I do want to die, just not right now.
+1
And when I go, I want the "after process" handled the same way as those I loved who went before me... Right or wrong, I'll share their fate.
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Meh, everyone thinks they have a good reason to contribute to global warming :old:
LOL! If "global warming" wasn't a made-up scam, I'd freely contribute even more than I do! These kids today are rude, they need us to eff the place up for them. :rofl
BTW, the new term is "man-made climate change," that way they can blame all of the natural meteorological (sp?) changes on man's activities. :aok
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Because I want to continue living, and it is not compatible with dieing. :devil
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hell, i'm only 21 years old, i still have alot to live for.
i would miss shooting my AR on the weekends, that's for sure
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Can I fly Mustangs or Spits in The Afterlife? If yes, then it wouldn't be so bad.
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'Want' doesn't enter into the picture .. everyone dies regardless of 'want'
Coupla notes tho:
The 'Golden Years' are *not* for Sissies.
Suicide is for cowards IMHO.
Life is for the living of it, try to enjoy the day before someone screws it up.
If the day is goin badly, it could be worse.
Set a goal .. if nothin else it will give you somethin to look forward to.
-evil grin-
-GE aka Frank
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Suicide is for cowards IMHO.
In my experience, cowardice is a substantial and often over-looked factor in *not* committing suicide.
Quite simply, you don't know whether you get nothing, a bright light, or Dante's inferno.
(Yes, I realize it would be UNBELIEVABLY sadistic to take someone who was so tormented they ended their own life and then "punish" them for it with unending torment...but have you seen the world around you? It doesn't seem to have been designed by a warm and fuzzy Being, and it seems entirely too AWFUL to be the product of pure random chance.)
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For me, why do I want to stay on this rock and continue converting oxygen to carbon dioxide?
a few reasons:
Too much stuff I still want to do. Fly again (my PPL has not been current in almost 20 years) and even more than just to fly but to take flight in an aircraft either that I have built or better yet of my own design.
I want to see England and all of the UK. My bloodlines originate there and I have always wanted to visit her.
My children, Cailyn and James. My grandfather died when my father was 9 years old and I would never wish for my children to know a day when I wasn't there for them. That, and they're gonna have to change my diaper one day just as payback!
And my parents. I've been told one of the worst things in life is for a parent to have to bury their child, regardless of age. I'd rather spare them that burden if I have a say in it.
I've pretty much come to the conclusion that no matter how crappy or desperate life, work, etc gets, I could never purposefully take my own life. There's just too much to stay alive for.
There have been days in the last 6 years that I wouldn't mind leaving to be with the two kids I lost. Then I think of the two that are still here and I want to stay. Funny how that works. I like to believe that there will be a time when we'll all be together again. No I can't prove it will happen, but I believe it will. I guess that's faith. I also believe that time won't matter then. Until then I owe it to the two I lost and the two still here to be the best Dad possible and to live my life the best and fullest I can. To do less would be to let all four of them down. I won't do that.
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if i die young, all i ask is that i die happy. death is inevitable, so why fear it?