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Title: 'Machine' Gun with no moving parts
Post by: Rob52240 on June 02, 2011, 12:07:50 AM
Project Metalstorm's 36 barrel prototype uses electronic ignition an no casings.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEu9LLQpOF8

Shown firing at 600 rounds per minute, 30K rounds per minute, 60K rounds per minute & 1 Million Rounds Per Minute.
Title: Re: 'Machine' Gun with no moving parts
Post by: Sonicblu on June 02, 2011, 12:13:25 AM
Just went to NRA museum had one there built in the late 1890 I think could fire 12 shots more of a semiauto though.
Title: Re: 'Machine' Gun with no moving parts
Post by: Yossarian on June 02, 2011, 07:33:39 AM
I've honestly never understood the point of this.  It's not *really* 1E6 rounds per minute, or 60K or 30K, or 300 - it's more like 36 rounds per minute, and that's being generous, since you'd probably need to be superman if you want to reload that thing in less than a minute.

So at the end of the day, what's the point of this?  I can't imagine any practical use for this sort of device.  I suppose it'll have some useful spinoff - if anyone knows what it is - please let me know.
Title: Re: 'Machine' Gun with no moving parts
Post by: 4deck on June 02, 2011, 07:50:56 AM
I agree with yoss on the timing.

But I can tell you. Having it wired up to a remote controlled infra-red detection device. And a maybe a warning siren. Would scare the living shyte out of me. Especially when you see your friends bloody mess next to you. Now all it has to do is be placed on a perticular road you dont want anything travelling on.
Title: Re: 'Machine' Gun with no moving parts
Post by: Reschke on June 02, 2011, 08:51:47 AM
I had one of these as a kid.

mini canon and I bought it from Dixie Gun works also.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8kNiUcdQzw&NR=1
Title: Re: 'Machine' Gun with no moving parts
Post by: Shane on June 02, 2011, 09:44:24 AM
So at the end of the day, what's the point of this?  I can't imagine any practical use for this sort of device.  I suppose it'll have some useful spinoff - if anyone knows what it is - please let me know.

auto fed mag... perfect for our starship troopers in dealing with those pesky BUGS...  :aok


or the Zombie Apocalypse...  :noid
Title: Re: 'Machine' Gun with no moving parts
Post by: icepac on June 02, 2011, 10:44:30 AM
Jared-Syn reaches out, expresses his displeasure, and commands you put on your 3D glasses.

(http://www.the3drevolution.com/gfx/topten2_metalstorm.jpg)

He also commands that once you have them on, you watch the intro.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_vxTQhDXwo
Title: Re: 'Machine' Gun with no moving parts
Post by: tmetal on June 02, 2011, 11:38:44 AM
ROF doesn't consider reload time because the average reload time is different for every gun. Reload time is not needed when you are trying to figure out how soon one bullet will leave the barrel of a gun after the preceding bullet has done the same.  ROF could easily be calculated in seconds rather than minutes, it is just a way to measure and compare how fast one gun fires vs another gun.

I could see how something like metalstorm could find a use as a replacement for the CWIS system. set it up on the perimeter of a base or on a ship and use it to destroy incoming enemy munitions while they are still in flight.
Title: Re: 'Machine' Gun with no moving parts
Post by: Maverick on June 02, 2011, 11:40:48 AM
It's kind of a neat little toy. I see it as little more than a longer ranged and more complex claymore mine without the wide field of fire. Not terribly practical IMO
Title: Re: 'Machine' Gun with no moving parts
Post by: Penguin on June 02, 2011, 01:37:54 PM
I know next to nothing about guns, but a crazy idea just popped into my head.  What if you took four of those metalstorm barrels, (with the firing mechanism and everything) and slapped on a break-action and stock.  It would work just like a double-barreled shotgun, only that the shells would be much longer (only that there would be four barrels instead of two).  It would offer a rate of fire unparralled, and offer many capabilities if used in a shotgun role (i.e. being able to switch from breaching to buckshot to non-lethal and back again with the flick of a switch).

My only question would be how you would carry ammo because those 600*500*7mm sticks could get pretty unwieldy. 

-Penguin
Title: Re: 'Machine' Gun with no moving parts
Post by: fbEagle on June 02, 2011, 03:19:22 PM
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I've honestly never understood the point of this.  It's not *really* 1E6 rounds per minute, or 60K or 30K, or 300 - it's more like 36 rounds per minute, and that's being generous, since you'd probably need to be superman if you want to reload that thing in less than a minute.

So at the end of the day, what's the point of this?  I can't imagine any practical use for this sort of device.  I suppose it'll have some useful spinoff - if anyone knows what it is - please let me know.
You don't have to reload. The shells are stacked one on top of each other in the barell so in theory one barell could hold hundreds of rounds since the shells are caseless theirs no moving parts
Title: Re: 'Machine' Gun with no moving parts
Post by: Yossarian on June 02, 2011, 03:31:15 PM
You don't have to reload. The shells are stacked one on top of each other in the barell so in theory one barell could hold hundreds of rounds since the shells are caseless theirs no moving parts

But then you need bloody long barrels if you want any appreciable duration of fire at 1,000,000 rpm!
Title: Re: 'Machine' Gun with no moving parts
Post by: redman555 on June 02, 2011, 04:25:04 PM
How is this even considered a "machine gun"....and how is it considered 1,000,000 rounds per minute? Its basically a cannon with like 40 barrels....that all fire at the same time.

-BigBOBCH
Title: Re: 'Machine' Gun with no moving parts
Post by: phatzo on June 02, 2011, 04:34:41 PM
I think its intended use was as a silent sentry, a booby trap so to speak.
Title: Re: 'Machine' Gun with no moving parts
Post by: allaire on June 02, 2011, 04:54:34 PM
How is this even considered a "machine gun"....and how is it considered 1,000,000 rounds per minute? Its basically a cannon with like 40 barrels....that all fire at the same time.

-BigBOBCH
It's considered 1 million rounds a minute because of cyclic rate.  The cyclic rate of a weapon is how many rounds it can fire under perfect conditions i.e. not having to reload and not worrying about "problems". A m-16 has a cyclic rate of over 700 rounds per minute.  How possible is that?
Title: Re: 'Machine' Gun with no moving parts
Post by: Stalwart on June 02, 2011, 08:45:42 PM
So at the end of the day, what's the point of this?  I can't imagine any practical use for this sort of device.  I suppose it'll have some useful spinoff - if anyone knows what it is - please let me know.

How about as a last line of defense to intercept an inbound missile.   :salute

Or, to smash MOABs on Balloon Tower Defense 4   ;)

Title: Re: 'Machine' Gun with no moving parts
Post by: Rob52240 on June 02, 2011, 10:03:05 PM
It was developed after the big ban on land mines, they also made a 3 barrel police version that offered lethal / non lethal ammo.  They also claim to be developing 40mm foam grenades to be fired from fire trucks to fight skyscraper fires.
Title: Re: 'Machine' Gun with no moving parts
Post by: 68ZooM on June 03, 2011, 12:24:19 AM
HiTechs going to mount those on to the C47, yea come get some now   :rofl
Title: Re: 'Machine' Gun with no moving parts
Post by: eagl on June 03, 2011, 01:53:04 AM
I dropped a box of ammo on my foot... Basic math gives that dropping incident a cyclic rate of nearly 90,000,000 rounds per minute.  Doesn't make it militarily significant except that I had to go to the doc afterwards and it took me off of the schedule for a couple of days until I could put my boot on again.
Title: Re: 'Machine' Gun with no moving parts
Post by: Rob52240 on June 03, 2011, 02:03:01 AM
http://dsc.discovery.com/videos/future-weapons-metal-storm.html

The Discovery Channel explains it a little better.
Title: Re: 'Machine' Gun with no moving parts
Post by: allaire on June 03, 2011, 07:09:08 AM
Hey eagl he asked how it was possible to have a RoF that high, I answered it.  Did I say anything about military significance?
Title: Re: 'Machine' Gun with no moving parts
Post by: Rob52240 on June 03, 2011, 08:37:18 PM
No, and I don't think anyone is claiming to have invented something better than mines for purposes that mines were traditionally used for.
Title: Re: 'Machine' Gun with no moving parts
Post by: fbEagle on June 03, 2011, 09:42:02 PM
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Hey eagl he asked how it was possible to have a RoF that high, I answered it.  Did I say anything about military significance?
The military significance of it is so the airforce doesnt have to use bombs all the time. They figure mounting a couple million of theese barels on the underside of a bomber and perferateing anything they want whatch the Future weapons episode on it.