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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: hawkeye61 on June 05, 2011, 09:33:01 PM
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Let's have them.
FLY NAVY!
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We have the SBD-5.
It does need a graphics update though.
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Nyet, we have the SBD-3. We should replace the -3 with the -5 since we could use the extra horsepower and the extra 1000lbs of eggs.
And give the damn model a working tailhook too!
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Pretty sure we have the -5. I recall being pretty annoyed that they paired the 1937 D3A1 with the 1943 SBD-5 when it should have been either the D3A1 and SBD-3 or D3A2 and SBD-5. The D3A2 was 40-50mph faster than the D3A1.
Tail hook will come with the remodel.
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Yes, the SBD-5 that we have needs to be brought up to AH2 graphic standards.
BTW- Karnak is correct hawkeye61, as you have probably already found out, we have the SBD-5 and not the -3.
ack-ack
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Very well. It still needs a payload update then - 100lb bombs are good for not much.
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Very well. It still needs a payload update then - 100lb bombs are good for not much.
What load out should it have?
Also, keep in mind you are matching it against a 1937 dive bomber, so to a degree balance needs to be considered. A heavy, but rare, load out would probably be inappropriate.
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What load out should it have?
A 1,600lber on the center line, and 325s under the wings sure would be nice. Seems like our SBD is one of the Frankenplanes made up of a couple different models. Discussed a bit here ->http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,299623.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,299623.0.html)
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why for you need nother amreekan plane? damned yankess
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why for you need nother amreekan plane? damned yankess
Nonsense. It would seem that we need the SBD-3 added and for the SBD-5 to have its bomb load adjusted.
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Nonsense. It would seem that we need the SBD-3 added and for the SBD-5 to have its bomb load adjusted.
define the word need in as pertains to these aircraft...is it something that should take precendence over aircraft for other countries that aren't currently available, or could it wait a few years?
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You can spell better than this.... I've seen it. :old:
why for you need nother amreekan plane? damned yankess
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define the word need in as pertains to these aircraft...is it something that should take precendence over aircraft for other countries that aren't currently available, or could it wait a few years?
IMO, I wish we would get the D3A2, B6N and the D4Y first.
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From previous discussions on the matter:
These heavy loads where generally used by the Marine Corps SBDs engaged in close support work. Typically, they operated from airfields bulldozed out of the coral, sometimes within sight of the front lines. So, flight endurance was never an issue. SBDs where used effectively for blasting bunkers and caves on several different islands during the island hopping campaigns of 1943-45. Indeed, the Jarheads liked the SBD because nothing else in their inventory could put bombs on target with accuracy even close to that attained by the Dauntless.
Such loads where not used by USN SBDs, because the required takeoff run was too great even for the Essex class CVs, much CVLs and the little CVEs. There is the possibility that overloaded SBDs could be catapulted off.
By the way, escort carriers (CVE, initially built on merchant ship hulls) would be a terrific addition to the game. Flying only Wildcats, SBDs and TBMs, (although the F6F and F4U did fly from CVEs for training purposes) they would be ideal for supplementing the current TGs. I think they would be of great value for TODs, where suicide runs are discouraged by the fact that you have just one life to lose.
My regards,
Widewing
P.S. The D3A2 was nearly a 1943 plane. It would not be the contemporary for most of the CV battles in the early war setup. You might say the D3A1 was a 1939 design, but so was the A6M2, and both of them remained the premiere front-line planes for the IJN until late 1942 (and even later).
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P.S. The D3A2 was nearly a 1943 plane. It would not be the contemporary for most of the CV battles in the early war setup. You might say the D3A1 was a 1939 design, but so was the A6M2, and both of them remained the premiere front-line planes for the IJN until late 1942 (and even later).
Yes, the D3A2 was a contemporary of the SBD-5.
The A6M2 entered service in 1940 and hence would be considered a 1940 plane. The D3A1 entered service in, IIRC, 1937 and hence would be a 1937 plane.
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No, it was a 1937 prototype, but the D3A1 wasn't even ordered into production until Dec 1939, and saw service starting in 1940.
Saying the D3A2 is a contemporary to the SBD-5 is misleading as they really weren't competitors per se, just opposite sides.
The thing is that the SBD-5 is nearly the same as the SBD-3. It did have 1200hp (SBD-3 had 1000hp) but the top speed was only 5mph more and the bombs load was the same.
The primary differences would be less 50cal ammo for the nose guns and a slower climb rate. It's as capable a stand-in as you can get.
The D3A2 on the other hand had 300hp more, the engine burned fuel faster and as a result they changed the aircraft to carry even more fuel (extending its range with the higher fuel burn). The top speed was up to 267mph.
That's a significant leap over the plane that started the war. According to Wiki the D3A2 was pushed aside rather readily by the Judy and relegated to escort carriers and land fields.
Not really useful in, say, Coral Sea, or Midway scenarios.
Just for comparison:
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/scores/genchart.php?p1=69&p2=70&pw=0>ype=0)
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+1 x2 @OP :aok
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Ah, thanks for posting the link to the other thread, Tec. That's where my confusion on the -3/-5 thing came in. Yes, we have the -5, but for some reason it uses the bombload of the -3.
In any event, it matters not that IRL the SBD didn't typically carry the heavy load for CV ops. It should be here in game to make the SBD a more competitive choice for dive-bomber. Update the Val if you must, but the Dauntless could use a little love.
I'm all for adding both the Helldiver and the Judy.
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In any event, it matters not that IRL the SBD didn't typically carry the heavy load for CV ops. It should be here in game to make the SBD a more competitive choice for dive-bomber.
That would be fine, so long as the heavier load was not available when launching from a CV.
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It was only in use by marine close air support on islands where they were only flying to another part of the same island. When such a load was in use, the fuel had to be limited to only about a 50mi range.
It's a rare, specialized, loadout that requires the removal of most of the fuel onboard. I don't expect you'll see it any time soon in AH.
This from the very informative thread from 2002 on the same subject that I quoted Widewing on the previous page.
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Been doing a bit of searching and believe the 1600lb bomb is AP and the 325lbers are depth bombs. The depth bombs do have a contact fuse though so they can still be used for anti shipping and ground targets. Of course it would be sweet if they worked as depth charges as well, and we had some subs to sink. :noid.
I think this is probably the model in question but not positive. http://www.flickr.com/photos/franmoff/5546695111/sizes/o/in/photostream/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/franmoff/5546695111/sizes/o/in/photostream/)