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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: apcampbell on June 08, 2011, 09:30:22 PM
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All, I've discovered what a little gem the 9U is and would like to know some tips on how to fly it more effectively. Besides "keep it fast", what else should I pay attention too?
So far I've learned the visability is great, as well as the climb rate and acceleration. I can deal with the light ammo load, as a full tank of gas will run out about the same time as the bullets for me. She even seems to turn great too (over 250mph)
Biggest problem...can't hit anything...lots of assists, but few kills. Help?
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fly a plane with more/better guns.i think the only plane with less guns are the D3A1 Val
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fly a plane with more/better guns.i think the only plane with less guns are the D3A1 Val
OH ya that's going to help him do better in the Yak :rolleyes:
The trick is learning the guns. Use the target command to check the drop and speed of the round, then concentrate on setting up your shots by pulling the nose to get the lead and then get your wings in line with his flight path setting up a crossing shot. The acceleration is great for getting you out of trouble.
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OH ya that's going to help him do better in the Yak :rolleyes:
The trick is learning the guns. Use the target command to check the drop and speed of the round, then concentrate on setting up your shots by pulling the nose to get the lead and then get your wings in line with his flight path setting up a crossing shot. The acceleration is great for getting you out of trouble.
well he said not the "keep it fast"
but i would love to see a good yak pilot out there
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I used to fly the 9U quite a bit but haven't for a long time. I will tell you this; I've flown and dog fought with a 9U in a more damaged state than I have in any other plane. They take a licking and keep on ticking. After two or three kills one night I was still fighting with a broken wing, lost aileron, lost elevator, one lost gun, engine smoking, fuel tank leaking and still got another kill. Simply an amazing amount of damage to still be able to fight through.
Set your convergences to about 2/3 of what you're used to and get close.
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fly a plane with more/better guns.i think the only plane with less guns are the D3A1 Val
Guns are adequate, assuming you can shoot in the first place. Last tour, I shot down a Lancaster and 2 B-26s, and still had some MG ammo left. I didn't fly it much, but shot down 17 for no losses. Heck, wasn't even pinged.
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9U is awesome plane, arguably the most underrated in the game. (Including the 109G2, the P-47 family and the 190A5) One month I decided to fly it simply to make myself a better shooter in other rides. With so few bullets to spit you become very conscious of shot setup vice the shooting itself. It is a survivalist assassin among fighters not a meat grinder like the 47.
I flew it intermittently over the course of a month. When I checked my stats toward the end of the month the other rides were all decent 3 to 5-1 K/D but the Yak was sitting pretty at 53-0! I was shocked! Checking the stats jinxed me though, couple sorties later I collided with the severed wing of my B-24 victim...
Vs. American rides play the angles game, the Yak will turn inside any U.S. fighter (Wilcat excluded) before flaps become a factor. When the flaps comes out, you should have kept a little E in reserve and take the fight vertical. This is especially important against the Corsair family since they have an uber tight turn with flaps out. If you bleed the U.S. fighters of their E and get their flaps popped out they will be wallowing under you asking for a nice easy close range shot in short order. Running down lone jugs or hogs is great fun. Even a jinking pony can be overtaken. Usually some kind of scissors is the defense- just chop throttle, throw in rudder, lag them a little and wait for a shot. Once slowed only the 38 will have an advantage out of the blocks and even then the advantage will be minimal and temporary. Pick one wing or the other and keep giving it little squirts as the American iron flops around. (Cockpit works great too but is harder)
Vs Spits, BnZ tactics are best. Come in level behind with a minimum of deflection and a good bit of overtake (I set my convergence at 200), I normally aim at the left wing root. The reasoning here is that the wing root is weak (same for jugs, B-24s) and if you miss they will probably jerk away from your tracers. Collision is a concern in this plane- don't press between the cheeks. After they jerk away and acquire you, take your slight offset to the left and gently pull into the vertical . If you're lucky the spit will make a 45 deg turn of greater to the left after you and attempt to climb up your tail. You should see 400-600 and a plus sign at this point with tracers. Continue your gentle left handed spiral pulling just enough to keep their solution off. If they are getting a solution and you are running out of E, put your wingtip on him to minimize your profile and pull a little more. When the spit teeters out 600 below you, if your wingtip is on him, throw in some left rudder...
190s deserve special mention. Don't bother shooting straight at the 6 of a 190 that knows you're there. They are too slippery, too small in profile and too tough. Your bullets will go much farther on spits.
Start fights around 10k if you can and keep your escape heading in mind. This is important in the Yak since in many situations you will have more enemies than bullets. As the fight drops lower and or you run out of bullets/find yourself very much defensive, consider kicking out the bottom of your defensive spiral at ~6k pointing home. Why 6k? Look at the Yak's speed performance chart. You are maximizing your speed advantage over anything that can turn inside you at that altitude. Treat the 6k like it's ground level and you will cut your deaths by 10% right there. Even if the enemy is still overtaking (as might be the case with the K-4 or La-7) you are still maximizing your speed and hence shortening the time to get towards friendlies with bullets.
In closing: Know the performance of the entire planeset. The Yak has some notable advantage over 98% of opponents. This plane generally out-turns anything it can't outrun. (Light 4-Hog possible exception) The Yak can engage anything in the mid-range of performance with confidence but the extremes are still troublesome IE the Brew and K4. The Brew is only a problem if you slow down, so don't if there's one in the area. The K4 can run you down at any alt and the tater is deadly when you get into a scissors. (Which they are usually better at than Ponies) Once slowed, he has as much of an E advantage over you as you did vs the American rides. You are more stable than him in a tight turn but it all depends- be sure to turn right! Past my bedtime...good luck and congrats on finding a gem! :salute
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Guns are adequate
Agreed. Set your convergence to 200-250 yards, close to that distance before shooting.
One of the useful things to remember about both Yaks is that they turn noticeably better to the right than to the left. So try to keep the fight turning up and to the right.
Climb on the 9U is very good, it's quite fast and it rolls well. Someone once said that you can think of the 9U as a plane that's always on WEP. I find that a comfortable thought.
Don't bother with the flaps, they won't help you except to get that last bit of lead on your target.
- oldman
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Sounds like your main problem is the guns. If you are a lousy shot like me, the only way to compensate is to give up all low probability shots and save the ammo for high quality close range shots - at close range the 12mm will hit together with the cannon making a short burst much more effective.
Also people underestimate the range of the yak. Take 100%, the Russians use a standard 750 ml Vodka bottle as gas tanks, so extra 25% is not that much weight (its not P47N!). Cruise on reduced throttle and RPM - the plane is fast enough even at "normal" setting and the range increase considerably.
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but i would love to see a good yak pilot out there
There's quite a few, actually. Back in the day, NB (No Baddy...guy who designed Trinity) was hell on wheels in both the Yaks.
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Vs. American rides play the angles game, the Yak will turn inside any U.S. fighter (Wilcat excluded)
You must be flying a differant yak than i do (and i dont mean the 9t) ive been flying yak 9u for years
and ive never turned inside any american plane with the possible exception of p47 and p38. Do have
anu films.
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My best 1 vs 1 was in a Yak 9U vs P-51 D. Once up to speed It acts like a Zero on steroids...
:aok Coogan
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Vs. American rides play the angles game, the Yak will turn inside any U.S. fighter (Wilcat excluded)
You must be flying a differant yak than i do (and i dont mean the 9t) ive been flying yak 9u for years
and ive never turned inside any american plane with the possible exception of p47 and p38. Do have
anu films.
I stand by my assertion. Sadly no films, I've just renewed my sub and haven't bothered keeping such golden moments around- it only makes me want to renew my sub... :headscratch:
I will point you to this though: http://gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php
I also think the AKUAG site has a comparison tool though I'm not sure if their data was independently derived or not- either way worth a look imho.
Last, a simple comparison of wing loading gives a good relative turn radius estimate. Yes, I know the Hellcat can be in the same ballpark, but even if at a similar loading the Yak is still faster, has slightly better roll, is smaller, has better climb/acceleration enabling a high yo-yo as a tie breaker :salute
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Oh Trikky and Fariz where have you gone? this guy needs a Yak FPH!!!! on the double.
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Oh Trikky and Fariz where have you gone? this guy needs a Yak FPH!!!! on the double.
please do not feed midway
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I landed some of my first multi-kill sorties in the Yak. It's a fun plane to fly, but after transitioning to other birds I found I'd lost my touch with the guns. I wish the thing had just a bit more long range punch.
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I've always like the 9U and have been flying it more often lately. Would like to hear more about the 9U vs D-Hog. The 9U wanted to spin and the D was cutting angles on me fast. Someone said the trick was to get the D's flaps out then take him vertical. You talkin more of a chandelle type vertical move or an over the top, rope a dope move?
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All, I've discovered what a little gem the 9U is and would like to know some tips on how to fly it more effectively. Besides "keep it fast", what else should I pay attention too?
So far I've learned the visability is great, as well as the climb rate and acceleration. I can deal with the light ammo load, as a full tank of gas will run out about the same time as the bullets for me. She even seems to turn great too (over 250mph)
Biggest problem...can't hit anything...lots of assists, but few kills. Help?
Hi apcampbell and friends.
One has to develop some firing discipline when flying Yak-9U. Not much ammo...
Please check my post in this old thread:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,274715.15.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,274715.15.html)
Posted a film there. Yak-9U vs K4. One of the best fights I ever had in AH. Was lucky that day. Big salute to Hopper! Great flyer and Gentleman. :aok :salute
Maybe you can get something from that film.
I have many others, and I also have a custom gunsight.
If you wish, I can post them.
Mutley. :salute
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Bravo MutleyBR :aok
Yes, pls, would like for u to post MORE of ur films PLUS ur custom gunsight. :cheers: :salute
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Yak 9u compresses in a dive without much warning. 9T turns a little better.
Ans yes the 9U can just about out turn any american ride...
viva la YAK
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in my lil experience with it,
my g-6 turns better than the jak9u and in a smaller turn radius. In the other hand, its superior to the pony and about in par with the p38. Pretty dang fast, a bit above average climb, unlimited wep.
In a BnZ situaton, get close, hit the opponent with short bursts, that 20mm can do the job.
GL
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in my lil experience with it,
my g-6 turns better than the jak9u and in a smaller turn radius. In the other hand, its superior to the pony and about in par with the p38. Pretty dang fast, a bit above average climb, unlimited wep.
In a BnZ situaton, get close, hit the opponent with short bursts, that 20mm can do the job.
GL
debrody, your G6 gave me hard times, always, either when I was the 9T or 9U honcho.
as far as I remember:
9U = use the vert fight near stall speeds
9T = great roller and get used to the 37mm, one shot one kill.
chewi
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I've flown the Yak-9U as my main ride for probably 2 years now, excepting the times when I was learning an aircraft for scenarios. That said, I'm a pretty untrained pilot, barely spent any time with trainers, so my stats aren't that good. I don't measure my fun by my kill stats, so it doesn't really bother me.
The guns are the biggest weakness. They might be ok if they had a larger ammo load, but they don't. They shoot straight and for sure can be deadly, but you can't just hit the enemy aircraft, you have to put the rounds into a specific vulnerable place, destroy something important on the enemy aircraft, and then let it drop out of the sky, hoping the two-weekers don't steal your kill on its way down. Good opposing pilots know this and willingly give you deflection shots while setting up a reversal, knowing you probably can't do enough damage until they are behind you.
I have a lot of problems with late war Spits because their acceleration is so great and the Yak's only advantage is higher top speed. It takes long enough to get to top speed that a Spit safely behind will catch up before the Yak pulls away. Diving for speed doesn't help because the Yak is lighter than the Spit, and at equal speeds has less E to gain. Climbing doesn't help because Spits climb faster. Turning doesn't help because Spits turn better, at least once below the G limit. There are two solutions I use: 1) Look at the acceleration and speed charts and climb/dive to an altitude that puts the Yak in the best possible altitude to extend. 2) Dive to the deck and hide in the trees. This last one is a lot of fun even if I get shot down. I fly around between the gaps in the trees at max speed, under the treetops, knowing that the Yak has one of the smallest wingspans in the game and can fit through spaces other aircraft cannot.
Also the 109-G4s are the super-ride of the day and if flown right you will never get more than one quick shot at them, and never be able to escape them either. The Yak is also out-performed by many other aircraft commonly found in the LWMA, but you don't fly a 23 ENY aircraft without accepting that fact when you take it out of the hanger.
The Yak is fun to get kills in knowing you are slightly outmatched flying it. Steve (who I don't see around any more) used to say that Yaks were a P-51 killer. I like fighting P-51s, the good pilots still beat me but I usually learn something when they do.
I typically don't even bother shooting until I see 400 on the distance counter. I like 200 a lot better. The Yak has great upwards views but a very poor over the nose view, which makes deflection shooting while turning even harder. As for fuel, if I have to fly a sector or more I usually take 100%. If the field is about to get vulched I take 50%. In between 75%. There is definitely a difference in taking less gas, performance-wise, but its not huge. It also glides very well, especially with the props feathered, but I have a really hard time seeing anything with an oil leak.
One more thing, the Yak is a bullet sponge, especially for non-cannon rounds from long distance. I've felt like that History Channel P-47 at times. You don't want to be taking cannon rounds though, you'll survive a couple spread out but not many or any to the same place as a previous one. Oil leaks are fairly common, radiator hits are less common but you don't have much time left if it happens. Fuel leaks are uncommon but they do happen, the usually don't get lit but sometimes do. If you're not on fire they aren't a big deal, they just cut your fuel in half, which makes your aircraft lighter and more deadly. Expend your ammo and go back home.
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Oh Trikky and Fariz where have you gone? this guy needs a Yak FPH!!!! on the double.
Fariz should be back in a couple weeks. He was my FPH back in the days :banana:
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Couple things.
- Hits are no longer recorded when the plane is missing a vital part, IE you will always get the kill no matter who is shooting it, they won't even get the assist.
- I agree with your mate, the Yak is a pony killer...its faster at some altitudes, accelerates better, maneuverability is mostly better....the only pilot I can remember owning my yak in a pony is Kazaa.
- Its indeed a bullet sponge, but you will often get wounded. The hit box for the motor cannon is a bit odd, as I often lost it to puff ack with the engine was ok :headscratch:
- As for Yak vs 109's, my observations are that the G14 and lower are more maneuverable but a bit slower, while the K4 is faster but less maneuverable.
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When eny was to high for la7 1olo's second plane was yak-9U. I always wondered why not la5 but yak. There must be something in that plane. I had his track of 8 kills in yak-9u while base defence. I'll dig for it.
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I'll break out the yaks for a month just to see if it is still as fun as it used to be!1 of course I am starting a bit late in the month!
http://youtu.be/3eJFe-rE4y0