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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Wildcat1 on June 11, 2011, 09:04:59 AM
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http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/06/10/navy.cross.winners/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/06/10/navy.cross.winners/index.html)
neither of the recipients of the Navy Cross today were born in this country. But through their active service, both have demonstrated a deep and enduring love for the United States of America and a commitment to defend everything it represents
Semper Fi
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wow... Semper Fi for sure :salute
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That is outstanding that both of them did what they did...not for us but for their fellow soldiers and Marines that day. :salute
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They certainly earned their citizenship and we are a far better nation for people like that.
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Ouch, I hope that they don't have to go through that again. So, what happens to them now? Do they get sent back, or do they get an honorable discharge?
-Penguin
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Ouch, I hope that they don't have to go through that again. So, what happens to them now? Do they get sent back, or do they get an honorable discharge?
-Penguin
READING is fundamental...read the story again and you will see what they are doing now...hint...hint.
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Shoot, it looks like missed it. I see that they're trainers now. It's because their knowledge and experience can train better soldiers, right?
-Penguin
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Yep that would be it Penguin but just because they are trainers and Navy Cross winners doesn't mean that they can't or won't be called on to get on the front once again.
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Shoot, it looks like missed it. I see that they're trainers now. It's because their knowledge and experience can train better soldiers, right?
-Penguin
:aok experience more than knowledge...they pass on what they learned to the newbies....and as long as they remain in the marine corps they could get called back to the front lines.
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Wouldn't people be angry if the Marine Corps sent them back (unless it were WW3 or something like that). But I understand your point about experience (e.g., there are old marines, there are bold marines, but there are no old, bold marines).
-Penguin
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Wouldn't people be angry if the Marine Corps sent them back (unless it were WW3 or something like that). But I understand your point about experience (e.g., there are old marines, there are bold marines, but there are no old, bold marines).
-Penguin
No. You don't stay in service expecting not to be sent out to perform the job you trained for.
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Wouldn't people be angry if the Marine Corps sent them back (unless it were WW3 or something like that). But I understand your point about experience (e.g., there are old marines, there are bold marines, but there are no old, bold marines).
-Penguin
you read too many bumper stickers...you're assuming they would not volunteer to return...as long as military personnel remain on active duty, they are subject to be returned to combat duty...that is what they signed on for and that is what they accept.
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you read too many bumper stickers...you're assuming they would not volunteer to return...as long as military personnel remain on active duty, they are subject to be returned to combat duty...that is what they signed on for and that is what they accept.
Bumper stickers? :headscratch: Anyway, yes, I understand that they could be sent back, and might wish to go back. I'm just wondering if they would be sent back or are going back.
-Penguin
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got me penguin...i don't work in the pentagon. :lol
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Oh well, I guess some things will remain a mystery. :noid
-Penguin
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The reader's digest version. When you sign on the dotted line, raise your hand and take the oath your butt belongs to the military for the duration of your enlistment or until they let you go. They tell you to go somewhere you go.
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I knew that already. I wanted to know what the military was going to do with them, as sending them back to the meat grinder would seem like a waste.
-Penguin
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Those 2 fellows are what this country is all about. Job well done, Marines! :salute
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I knew that already. I wanted to know what the military was going to do with them, as sending them back to the meat grinder would seem like a waste.
-Penguin
i know it's beyond your ability to fully comprehend at this point but...let's put your thinking cap on for a bit...consider that a man who survives a battle without cowardice is more valuable in combat than a man with no experience to fall back on when the bullets are flying. a man goes into battle, fights and survives...the next time he goes into battle his chances of survival are greater because he is less likely to make the mistakes that those with no experience would make...if he is a leader he is better prepared to keep his men alive than a leader with no combat experience.
get the idea?
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i know it's beyond your ability to fully comprehend at this point but...let's put your thinking cap on for a bit...consider that a man who survives a battle without cowardice is more valuable in combat than a man with no experience to fall back on when the bullets are flying. a man goes into battle, fights and survives...the next time he goes into battle his chances of survival are greater because he is less likely to make the mistakes that those with no experience would make...if he is a leader he is better prepared to keep his men alive than a leader with no combat experience.
get the idea?
My bad, I incorrectly conjugated my sentence, it ought to have read:
I know that already. I had wanted to know what the military was going to do with them, as sending them back to the meat grinder would have seemed like a waste.
-Penguin
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Penguin. troops in the military, all branches, belong to a unit of some kind. You are not an individual just bouncing around by yourself to be considered individually by the "machine". If their unit, when they are through with their current assignment, gets shipped back to the war zone, they will go with it. What their commanders decide to do with his troops determines what they will be doing. Unless they leave the service they are still subject to perform all missions their unit is assigned.
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Penguin. troops in the military, all branches, belong to a unit of some kind. You are not an individual just bouncing around by yourself to be considered individually by the "machine". If their unit, when they are through with their current assignment, gets shipped back to the war zone, they will go with it. What their commanders decide to do with his troops determines what they will be doing. Unless they leave the service they are still subject to perform all missions their unit is assigned.
Ok, I think I get it now. (Sarcasm switch is the in OFF position; I know next to nothing about the military):
These two fight off a whole bunch of insurgents
They get their medals, and then get sent back to fight off more insurgents with their buddies
Now, there seems to be something odd here. The article said that they became instructors, so does that mean that they were reassigned to a new unit, or did their entire unit become instructors?
-Penguin
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Ok, I think I get it now. (Sarcasm switch is the in OFF position; I know next to nothing about the military):
These two fight off a whole bunch of insurgents
They get their medals, and then get sent back to fight off more insurgents with their buddies
Now, there seems to be something odd here. The article said that they became instructors, so does that mean that they were reassigned to a new unit, or did their entire unit become instructors?
-Penguin
no....
http://chaoticsignal.com/sizer/510/510/image/facepalm/facepalm_picard.jpg (http://chaoticsignal.com/sizer/510/510/image/facepalm/facepalm_picard.jpg)
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How can you expect me to know this?
-Penguin
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How can you expect me to know this?
-Penguin
you have to learn it...without your philosophical glasses on. :rolleyes:
they were given orders for reassignment as instructors...it's a different m.o.s. (job assignment) out of the units they were in...they could be assigned to other units at any time where their m.o.s. and rank are required. if their m.o.s. was radar techs, then they would get assigned to units needing replacement radar techs. since they are grunts (basic infantry) they could get assigned to other grunt units that are in need of someone with their ranks or they could get assigned to recruiting duty, or embassy duty, or wherever it is that the marine corps decides they are needed. if the marine corps wants them to do something, that's what they do until such time as they are no longer in the marine corps.
get the idea yet? it's not a question of what you think is right or wrong or should be done, it's what the military determines is in the best interest of the military.
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you have to learn it...without your philosophical glasses on. :rolleyes:
they were given orders for reassignment as instructors...it's a different m.o.s. (job assignment) out of the units they were in...they could be assigned to other units at any time where their m.o.s. and rank are required. if their m.o.s. was radar techs, then they would get assigned to units needing replacement radar techs. since they are grunts (basic infantry) they could get assigned to other grunt units that are in need of someone with their ranks or they could get assigned to recruiting duty, or embassy duty, or wherever it is that the marine corps decides they are needed. if the marine corps wants them to do something, that's what they do until such time as they are no longer in the marine corps.
get the idea yet? it's not a question of what you think is right or wrong or should be done, it's what the military determines is in the best interest of the military.
Ok. One last question:
Who is "you"?
-Penguin
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Ok. One last question:
Who is "you"?
-Penguin
YOU
I knew that already. I wanted to know what the military was going to do with them, as sending them back to the meat grinder would seem like a waste.
-Penguin
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Oh, me, Penguin. Sorry for being dense.
-Penguin
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Penguin,
Stop trying to think you know something about this, you do not. Sending those troops back to the fight does not equate to a waste. Did you ever think that they would be able to lead and train their troops to be better soldiers and more effective war fighters? They now have experience that they can use to help their fellow soldiers fight smarter and better. Their leadership will help save more friendly troops and cause more enemy casualties by spreading the expertise around.
Yes they were given a very very high award. That does not mean they are now more valuable, they were just recognized for the actions they took on the battlefield. They were already valuable assets to the Corps before the award. Failing to use the combat expertise they have would be a huge loss to their fellow Marines.
Training stateside is one thing but their knowledge can be a big combat multiplier for the unit overseas where it has a bigger impact on the fighting.
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Penguin,
Stop trying to think you know something about this, you do not. Sending those troops back to the fight does not equate to a waste. Did you ever think that they would be able to lead and train their troops to be better soldiers and more effective war fighters? They now have experience that they can use to help their fellow soldiers fight smarter and better. Their leadership will help save more friendly troops and cause more enemy casualties by spreading the expertise around.
Yes they were given a very very high award. That does not mean they are now more valuable, they were just recognized for the actions they took on the battlefield. They were already valuable assets to the Corps before the award. Failing to use the combat expertise they have would be a huge loss to their fellow Marines.
Training stateside is one thing but their knowledge can be a big combat multiplier for the unit overseas where it has a bigger impact on the fighting.
I never claimed to know anything about the military- in fact, I have openly admitted my lack of knowledge; you guys jumped on me as if I were pretending to know anything on the subject. Secondly, my first (and nearly every subsequent) post was a question- I wanted to know what they were going to do with them. It was not a claim that the military could not send them back.
Furthermore, even though I have stated that my question had been answered, you have continued to lambast me for my lack of knowledge and my non-existent claims of the military would do with these marines.
-Penguin
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I never claimed to know anything about the military- in fact, I have openly admitted my lack of knowledge; you guys jumped on me as if I were pretending to know anything on the subject. Secondly, my first (and nearly every subsequent) post was a question- I wanted to know what they were going to do with them. It was not a claim that the military could not send them back.
Furthermore, even though I have stated that my question had been answered, you have continued to lambast me for my lack of knowledge and my non-existent claims of the military would do with these marines.
Forgive these gentlemen for not being as patient as you would like with your denseness and naivety, but don't pretend your questions haven't been loaded with a pretense of knowledge.
Wouldn't people be angry if the Marine Corps sent them back?
Starting a question with "wouldn't" implies [that you believe] an answer in the negative is incorrect.
I knew that already. I wanted to know what the military was going to do with them, as sending them back to the meat grinder would seem like a waste.
Still you assert an opinion on a subject that you admit to knowing next-to-nothing about, this is extremely annoying. I wouldn't blame anybody for lambasting the crap out of you.
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Oh, wow. I never looked at it that way. Those questions were more loaded than a tractor trailer.
-Penguin