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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Flench on June 12, 2011, 02:28:14 PM
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Watching Brad Meltzer's decoded on feemason's . My father was a freemason and I had no idea about them untill now . I would ask him about them and to the day he died he would not tell me ANY thing about them .
Hell , I thought it was just a bunch of stone mason's , lol .Being one myself ..
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My great uncle was a 33rd degree mason, like your dad he wouldn't ever talk about it.
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That's just wild . Did all the freemason do stone work or what i'm asking do you have to be a stone mason to get in ? Heck I want in now ...
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I personally think the Masons were originally the Knights Templar.
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That's just wild . Did all the freemason do stone work or what i'm asking do you have to be a stone mason to get in ? Heck I want in now ...
lol...there is a sordid history regarding the origins of the free masons...supposedly in the beginning stone masons held the secrets of their craft to be something closely guarded...things just sort of progressed from there. now you will find masons from many walks of life, most are wealthy/upper middle class...i believe you have to be invited and accept the initiation to get in.
your dad could have gotten you in if he was one...not sure how you would go about it now unless you can get invited by another mason that knew your dad.
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I personally think the Masons were originally the Knights Templar.
The legend goes the Knights Templar hid within the ranks of the Masons. Finally blending them together.
my ex-gf's stepfather is a 33d degree mason. he said something about he had the oppurtunity to become a higher level of mason (scotland yard, or something along thise lines) i helped him rebuild a church last summer. he started to teach me the basics of masonry.
Theres even a "mason's temple"(i think its called) in my town. never been inside, the doors are usually locked, with dark blue curtains pulled over the entire windows&door.
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Theres even a "mason's temple"(i think its called) in my town. never been inside, the doors are usually locked, with dark blue curtains pulled over the entire windows&door.
Go knock on the door one night and ask if they have a cup of sugar!
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lol...there is a sordid history regarding the origins of the free masons...supposedly in the beginning stone masons held the secrets of their craft to be something closely guarded...things just sort of progressed from there. now you will find masons from many walks of life, most are wealthy/upper middle class...i believe you have to be invited and accept the initiation to get in.
your dad could have gotten you in if he was one...not sure how you would go about it now unless you can get invited by another mason that knew your dad.
I see , Thank's for the info ..
My father teached me to lay stone when I was 13 or tried . Took me 20 year's to get as good as he was ..
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Theres even a "mason's temple"(i think its called) in my town.
I don't think I've ever been a place that hasn't had one of those, they're all over the place. Tons of people driving around with the compass badge on their cars.
The conspiracy theories are kind of funny, considering.
It doesn't seem to be invitation-only, by the way...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Masons#Membership_requirements
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i don't rely on wikipedia for anything but some amusement...
The process is really quite simple actually. If you have a friend or acquaintance who's a Mason, tell them of your interest. They'll provide you with the information necessary to proceed and will generally 'vouch' for you as one of good character and worthy of membership. They'll introduce you to the proper lodge officers, provide you with a petition form to complete, and explain what goes on at their lodge where you'll soon be welcomed as a member.
http://www.masonicinfo.com/member.htm (http://www.masonicinfo.com/member.htm)
i was going by what some grand pubah of a lodge on the history channel said...never been interested myself...but since flench is
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i was going by what some grand pubah of a lodge on the history channel said...never been interested myself...but since flench is
The History Channel is to preoccupied with putting out sensationalist conspiracy garbage to even pay attention to on a matter like this... IMO...
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my ex-gf's stepfather is a 33d degree mason. he said something about he had the oppurtunity to become a higher level of mason (scotland yard, or something along thise lines) i helped him rebuild a church last summer. he started to teach me the basics of masonry.
33rd Degree Mason is the highest level a Mason can obtain.
ack-ack
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The History Channel is to preoccupied with putting out sensationalist conspiracy garbage to even pay attention to on a matter like this... IMO...
however true that may be...if the guy speaking is wearing some masonic garb and the text on the screen identifies him as masonic what have you, his words carry more weight than wikipedia.
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I don't think I've ever been a place that hasn't had one of those, they're all over the place. Tons of people driving around with the compass badge on their cars.
The conspiracy theories are kind of funny, considering.
It doesn't seem to be invitation-only, by the way...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Masons#Membership_requirements
coem to my neck of the woods...you find a compass badge on a car and ill believe it.
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coem to my neck of the woods...you find a compass badge on a car and ill believe it.
It might be more common in the older parts of the country, I guess.
however true that may be...if the guy speaking is wearing some masonic garb and the text on the screen identifies him as masonic what have you, his words carry more weight than wikipedia.
I think there are probably a lot of people going around masquerading as Freemasons in a pseudo-dark/secretive way spouting nonsense once they find it's a rather mundane thing and not something that secretly controls the world. These would be the kind of people the History Channel seeks out.
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Being a freemason is not what most people think it is about.
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I think there are probably a lot of people going around masquerading as Freemasons in a pseudo-dark/secretive way spouting nonsense once they find it's a rather mundane thing and not something that secretly controls the world. These would be the kind of people the History Channel seeks out.
yup, you're right...that's what it's all about. :rolleyes:
i can tell you've never seen the show...not a clue.
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I am a mason from the blue lodge. You do not have to wait to be asked. You can express interest in the lodge and becoming a mason to a current member of the lodge near you. You will be given an application. If you have a friend that is a mason they can sponsor you. You will need to provide references for them to check your character with.
The main thing to keep in mind is that they are looking for a good man interested in being a better man.
Forget about the conspiracy stuff you have seen on TV. It is some ones imagination running away with them.
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Forget about the conspiracy stuff you have seen on TV. It is some ones imagination running away with them.
Is that what your Illuminati overlords tell you to say? :noid
ack-ack
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Theres even a "mason's temple"(i think its called) in my town. never been inside, the doors are usually locked, with dark blue curtains pulled over the entire windows&door.
Actually they are called Masonic Lodges....but what do I know :noid Audi, Vide, Tace :D
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Indeed, they are good people focusing on self improvement. My grandfather is a rather high ranking mason at the local lodge, and I am seriously considering joining as well. :aok
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I'm going to check it out . Allready wearing a mason ring ( dad's) .
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What Maverick said.
If you want to be one ask one. Freemasonry does not actively recruit members. If you're interested and know a Freemason ask them. If you dont know any Google the nearest Lodge, contact them and ask. Freemasonry is an ancient Fraternal Order that focuses on helping a good decent Man become a better Man. Ignore the hype and conspiracy theories, they are just that.
Later,
KayBay
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Rgr that KayBayRay , I have decided that's what I want to do ..
Maverick , an you put a word in for me ?
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lol...there is a sordid history regarding the origins of the free masons...supposedly in the beginning stone masons held the secrets of their craft to be something closely guarded...things just sort of progressed from there. now you will find masons from many walks of life, most are wealthy/upper middle class...i believe you have to be invited and accept the initiation to get in.
your dad could have gotten you in if he was one...not sure how you would go about it now unless you can get invited by another mason that knew your dad.
Find one and ask. That is all it takes. You have to pass muster so to speak but otherwise almost anyone can enter.
Theres even a "mason's temple"(i think its called) in my town. never been inside, the doors are usually locked, with dark blue curtains pulled over the entire windows&door.
It is called a Lodge.
I am a mason from the blue lodge. You do not have to wait to be asked. You can express interest in the lodge and becoming a mason to a current member of the lodge near you. You will be given an application. If you have a friend that is a mason they can sponsor you. You will need to provide references for them to check your character with.
The main thing to keep in mind is that they are looking for a good man interested in being a better man.
Forget about the conspiracy stuff you have seen on TV. It is some ones imagination running away with them.
This is correct.
The History channel puts shows on for entertainment. Take it for that and you won't be disappointed.
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I'm going to check it out . Allready wearing a mason ring ( dad's) .
I would suggest not wearing the ring. I would suggest not wearing it to the Lodge when you go to request joining.
If your Dad is a mason he can vouch for you.
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This guy?
(http://www.disneyclips.com/imagesnewb6/imageslwrakr01/flint2.gif)
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Flench, sorry I cant since I dont actually know you. But that is not a problem. Just make contact and ask, someone will be assigned to you to answer your questions and guide you. Since your Father was a Mason you're in so no worries. I would highly recommend taking his ring off and putting it away until you have earned the rite to wear it. Wearing it without having earned it is kind of like wearing a military decoration for Valor and not having earned it. It would be very much frowned upon. It represents a lot about the wearer.
I would also not feel bad towards your Father for not asking you about getting involved in Freemasonry. He is not supposed to. The idea is that you know he is and if your are curious or interested you will ASK. To ask you is to recruit and that is really not done.
Later,
KayBay
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I had allready put the ring up a few week's ago .. I'm helll on ring's . They end up getting bent or crushed one way or another .. I see what your saying though ..Thank's for the information . Looking forward to checking them out ..
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Meet on the Square and part on the Level is a good philosophy to live by whoever you are..
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What Flench said.
I can't vouch for you as all I know about you is that you have a "persona" that posts on a bulletin board. That doesn't count as a reference, sorry. They will be looking for folks who actually know you and can say what kind of character you have. They want to make sure that they are not bringing in a person who would in effect bring dishonor to the Lodge. You must have a good character and be willing to self improve yourself. There is no requirement to be any religion or even religious, just that you believe in God.
BTW religion and politics are two areas of discussion that are forbidden in Lodge. Those tend to create divisiveness rather than brotherhood, kind of like it does on the board here. Right Skuzzy?
If you are accepted you will be given a chance to learn much and to grow. You will also be given the chance to do something of benefit for the community of both Free Masonry and the area you live.
Keep in mind that there are usually more than one Lodge in any community of size. Not because they don't get along but because it's more convenient to be a member in your own area of town. If you live in the same area as your Dad's lodge then that one is likely for you. You can change lodges should you move to another area or part of the country. Once you are a Mason you are not alone, you can find brethren wherever you go. Visiting other Lodges and meeting other Masons is a great way to see the variety of the Fraternity and variations that develop over time with Lodges in different areas of the country. As I travel I know that I can visit any Lodge of Free Masons and be welcome.
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Why are they called Lodges?
-Penguin
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Find one and ask. That is all it takes. You have to pass muster so to speak but otherwise almost anyone can enter.
It is called a Lodge.
This is correct.
The History channel puts shows on for entertainment. Take it for that and you won't be disappointed.
are you sure? the blue sign above the door says "masonic temple".
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Hi all!
When I was a teenager, came across some old, yellow stained typewritten papers, it was a horoscope. I read it with feverish curiosity.
The writer had been a very close friend to my father and had already passed away.
It was my horoscope! It had been made when I was born and had been given to my parents when I was 3 months old.
I the opening, the writer said he had a feeling that those papers would be read(by me) only after his death. Unfortunately, he was right... He also tells me about his friendship with my father, but in a veiled way and that made me wonder...
I asked my mother about him and she told me he had been a Freemason. That fact increased my curiosity.
As years passed, I understood why he referred to God, as "The Great Architect of The Universe".
I remembered him, from my early childhood as a peaceful, nice old man.
The most interesting part of that is the final part, when he gives me some advice.
I´ll quote just one phrase. "It´s better to give by mistake(to someone who doesn't need) than to deny something to those who really need."
Go for it, Flench, you´ll be in good company ...
Take care all!
Mutley,
a brazilian, from Rio de Janeiro
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Hi all!
..... "It´s better to give by mistake(to someone who doesn't need) than to deny something to those who really need."
Go for it, Flench, you´ll be in good company ...
Take care all!
Mutley,
a brazilian, from Rio de Janeiro
WoW.....all I can say :salute
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Why are they called Lodges?
-Penguin
Seriously? What do they teach you kids in school these days?
Lodges are large structures where members of a community can meet and commune. Temples are structures in which communes gather to worship their religion or deity.
I know these days everyone just calls them Churches or boring community centers, and steers away from them like a social plague, but you don't have to be religious or a retired senior citizen to be an active or productive participating member of your community.
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We haven't been taught anything about the Freemasons, that's why I asked.
-Penguin
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We haven't been taught anything about the Freemasons, that's why I asked.
-Penguin
Are the Freemasons the only organization/people who use lodges?
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Are the Freemasons the only organization/people who use lodges?
amd the Girl Scouts
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Penguin ignore the snide comments from those who wish only to denigrate others and something they do not understand.
The Lodge is a term that actually refers to the members. They constitute the Lodge not the building. The term temple does refer to the building but it is not a religious term in that regard. The masons are also not a religious order or a religion.
There are also more than one kind of mason. There is the Blue lodge, the beginning for all Masons. Then there are two intermediate levels of Masonry the Scottish Rite and the York. I am neither so cannot give you much information other than in order to be a member of those lodges you have to be a master mason from a Blue Lodge first.
Then there is the Shriners. In their case you still have to be a Mason first. IIRC the order for them is Master Mason, then either Scottish rite or York then apply to the Shriners
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Are the Freemasons the only organization/people who use lodges?
No, The Water Buffaloes call it a lodge too. If you ever find it, the secret
password phrase is "Ack Ack a Dak. Dak Ack a Ack!
If you live near Bedrock, you might have a better chance!
Not sure who the Grand Pubah is anymore though.
As for the Masons, the folks I've known over the years that are Masons,
have been good people! Always looking to help others!
<S> Oz
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Well guess what . You guy's know about the old man that lives's next to me that I talk about and when I say next to me is one mile but anyway ..I went up to his house yesterday to have him notarize a bill of sale on my handgun and I seen he had a mason ring on .
Got to talking and looks like I am on my way . I meat this man (WWII vet) right before I quit drinking the hard stuff in 98 and he has seen me grow and become a better person . He told me this and said it would be a great thing to get me in the masons .He knew my father too and right now I think he has me in his will . He likes me that much . He has hinted at it before . He helped me when I quit drinking (was very hard) and since then I have been right there for him . The way life should be .Now that my father died back in April of last year he has been like one to me .
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Well guess what . You guy's know about the old man that lives's next to me that I talk about and when I say next to me is one mile but anyway ..I went up to his house yesterday to have him notarize a bill of sale on my handgun and I seen he had a mason ring on .
Got to talking and looks like I am on my way . I meat this man (WWII vet) right before I quit drinking the hard stuff in 98 and he has seen me grow and become a better person . He told me this and said it would be a great thing to get me in the masons .He knew my father too and right now I think he has me in his will . He likes me that much . He has hinted at it before . He helped me when I quit drinking (was very hard) and since then I have been right there for him . The way life should be .Now that my father died back in April of last year he has been like one to me .
Good luck. Sounds like your on your way.
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Ah, thanks for answering my question. I have one other, it may seem stupid, but do you guys learn masonry there?
-Penguin
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Ah, thanks for answering my question. I have one other, it may seem stupid, but do you guys learn masonry there?
-Penguin
penguin...
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/405468/AH%20Stuff/facepalm_monkey.jpg)
i guess you haven't even attempted to look up the freemasons...even your favorite wrongipedia?
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I have looked it up in Wikipedia, it didn't say anything about learning stonemasonry, but perhaps his lodge is different.
Wikipedia is actually more correct than the availible text. It is extremely unlikely that one would own a full set of 2011 encyclopedias; however, it is extremely likely that one would have access to Wikipedia, an encyclopedia that is updated daily, if not hourly by millions of people.
The standards are very strict, and the site will tell you if the information thereof is is questionable (have you ever seen those big flags at the top of the page?).
-Penguin
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ya, imagine people like yourself "editing" wikipedia articles... :rolleyes:
2 second google search and look what pops up...
http://www.mastermason.com/jjcrowder/history/history.html (http://www.mastermason.com/jjcrowder/history/history.html)
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ya, imagine people like yourself "editing" wikipedia articles... :rolleyes:
2 second google search and look what pops up...
http://www.mastermason.com/jjcrowder/history/history.html (http://www.mastermason.com/jjcrowder/history/history.html)
I actually do edit wikipedia, mostly cleanup work like fixing spelling, grammar, and structure errors and erasing vandalism. There isn't much to edit, but every little bit helps to dispel the image of inaccuracy.
Let's get this thread back on track, though.
-Penguin
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ya, imagine people like yourself "editing" wikipedia articles... :rolleyes:
2 second google search and look what pops up...
http://www.mastermason.com/jjcrowder/history/history.html (http://www.mastermason.com/jjcrowder/history/history.html)
That's was a geat read . I see who it all started now . and this part
As stonemasons could easily travel all over the country from one building site to another, and as there were also no trade union cards or certificates of apprenticeship they began to adopt a private word which a travelling stonemason could use when he arrived at a new site, to prove that he was properly trained .
Man you don't know how many new people I had to run off my job that said they could do stone work or brick work as far as that goes .That would have come in handy back in the day but I could tell if the guy is good or not by his first stone or brick he put's down ..
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No Penguin, working stone is no longer a part of the fraternity. You've already been given most of the information other than it is a men's fraternity. That means there is a minimum age requirement. There is a youth organization that is a part of it as well, but again you have to apply.
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I'm not planning on joining at all.
-Penguin
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I'm not planning on joining at all.
-Penguin
ahhh untempered mortar
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Far from it, I've been known to have quite the temper :devil
-Penguin
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Far from it, I've been known to have quite the temper :devil
-Penguin
it's up and over ladies and gentlemen...clean miss...there goes the game.
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It's called sarcasm...
-Penguin
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I actually do edit wikipedia, mostly cleanup work like fixing spelling, grammar, and structure errors and erasing vandalism. There isn't much to edit, but every little bit helps to dispel the image of inaccuracy.
Let's get this thread back on track, though.
-Penguin
I find it so funny when people claim that wikipedia is all wrong and yet all the other website which basically anybody can type their own stuff call it fact with no references and be right. some people make it a point to join wikipedia to just type whatever they want, but eventually somebody will come along and fix it.
semp
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HINT: I started a thread about this, post your opinions there.
-Penguin
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Back in the late 1790's or early 1800's, a man was murdered for speaking out against/revealing masonic secrets. The 12 or so people involved in the murder were acquitted by a Mason judge, and after that a lot of Masons were stripped of their positions of political power to prevent things like this from happening again.
(I was just reading about this last week)
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Gentlemen, there are LOTS of theories and ghost stories regarding us Freemasons. From the legends of the Templars, to the devil worship, to the secrecy, to Washington D.C., etc etc.
Just know this: The Freemasons are a fraternity that takes good men and makes them better and the ultimate goal is to behave in manners that better mankind. That is it. The goal is "to serve". I joined the Masons in the spring of 2002 and was raised in August of 2002. I am not as active in the Lodge as I once was, but I carry the teachings of the Freemasons with me every day. When a man joins the Masons, he becomes part of a long tradition. He becomes a "brother" in a fraternity. That brotherhood is very deep. That man takes an oath to carry himself with respect, dignity, and compassion not only of himself, but first and foremost to other Masons and their families, and then obviously to the rest of the people they deal with every day. You can trust a Brother and he can trust you.
An example of the depth of the Brotherhood: Back in the 1950's there was a Mason who so poor he could not afford to buy a train ticket to get his daughter from their small town in Virginia to the University of Iowa where she had been awarded a scholarship for academics. She was all ready to go but when it came time for her to leave for school the dad was not able to have saved enough money for a train ticket so she was going to miss college. A fellow Brother heard of the situation and organized a car-chain of Masons from their town in Virginia all the way to Iowa. Each part of the chain drove her sometimes 30 miles and sometimes 100 miles, but the daughter of a Mason was handed over to Mason to Mason for safe travel all the way from Virginia to Iowa. It took her 3 days to get to the University but she made it in time for classes. THAT is the depth a man and his family is dealing with when he takes the oath seriously. The level of trust and the amount of giving each Brother shares with one another is amazing.
I could go on and on about about the good. There is no bad.
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Gentlemen, there are LOTS of theories and ghost stories regarding us Freemasons. From the legends of the Templars, to the devil worship, to the secrecy, to Washington D.C., etc etc.
Just know this: The Freemasons are a fraternity that takes good men and makes them better and the ultimate goal is to behave in manners that better mankind. That is it. The goal is "to serve". I joined the Masons in the spring of 2002 and was raised in August of 2002. I am not as active in the Lodge as I once was, but I carry the teachings of the Freemasons with me every day. When a man joins the Masons, he becomes part of a long tradition. He becomes a "brother" in a fraternity. That brotherhood is very deep. That man takes an oath to carry himself with respect, dignity, and compassion not only of himself, but first and foremost to other Masons and their families, and then obviously to the rest of the people they deal with every day. You can trust a Brother and he can trust you.
An example of the depth of the Brotherhood: Back in the 1950's there was a Mason who so poor he could not afford to buy a train ticket to get his daughter from their small town in Virginia to the University of Iowa where she had been awarded a scholarship for academics. She was all ready to go but when it came time for her to leave for school the dad was not able to have saved enough money for a train ticket so she was going to miss college. A fellow Brother heard of the situation and organized a car-chain of Masons from their town in Virginia all the way to Iowa. Each part of the chain drove her sometimes 30 miles and sometimes 100 miles, but the daughter of a Mason was handed over to Mason to Mason for safe travel all the way from Virginia to Iowa. It took her 3 days to get to the University but she made it in time for classes. THAT is the depth a man and his family is dealing with when he takes the oath seriously. The level of trust and the amount of giving each Brother shares with one another is amazing.
I could go on and on about about the good. There is no bad.
:lol Get your boots on. At list you did not say they carried her on their backs. Don;t you think it would be easier and cheaper and faster to just put the money up the ticket? Touching story though :lol
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Remember the old saying "Gas, Grass, or.... nobody rides free" ;)
:cheers: Oz
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Gentlemen, there are LOTS of theories and ghost stories regarding us Freemasons. From the legends of the Templars, to the devil worship, to the secrecy, to Washington D.C., etc etc.
Just know this: The Freemasons are a fraternity that takes good men and makes them better and the ultimate goal is to behave in manners that better mankind. That is it. The goal is "to serve". I joined the Masons in the spring of 2002 and was raised in August of 2002. I am not as active in the Lodge as I once was, but I carry the teachings of the Freemasons with me every day. When a man joins the Masons, he becomes part of a long tradition. He becomes a "brother" in a fraternity. That brotherhood is very deep. That man takes an oath to carry himself with respect, dignity, and compassion not only of himself, but first and foremost to other Masons and their families, and then obviously to the rest of the people they deal with every day. You can trust a Brother and he can trust you.
An example of the depth of the Brotherhood: Back in the 1950's there was a Mason who so poor he could not afford to buy a train ticket to get his daughter from their small town in Virginia to the University of Iowa where she had been awarded a scholarship for academics. She was all ready to go but when it came time for her to leave for school the dad was not able to have saved enough money for a train ticket so she was going to miss college. A fellow Brother heard of the situation and organized a car-chain of Masons from their town in Virginia all the way to Iowa. Each part of the chain drove her sometimes 30 miles and sometimes 100 miles, but the daughter of a Mason was handed over to Mason to Mason for safe travel all the way from Virginia to Iowa. It took her 3 days to get to the University but she made it in time for classes. THAT is the depth a man and his family is dealing with when he takes the oath seriously. The level of trust and the amount of giving each Brother shares with one another is amazing.
I could go on and on about about the good. There is no bad.
allU have to say to get help from a Mason is "Who will help the widow's son? and put your arms up like a field goal/goalposts (true story)