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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Tyrannis on June 14, 2011, 06:46:08 AM
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110613/pl_afp/usmilitaryuniform
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Geez, finally.
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puhleeeez quote it right tyrannis... :rolleyes: the army did not "abandon" the beret. it has been made optional headwear with the combat uniform based on individual unit commanders.
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puhleeeez quote it right tyrannis... :rolleyes: the army did not "abandon" the beret. it has been made optional headwear with the combat uniform based on individual unit commanders.
my apologies.
"Army ditches failed experiment: The Beret"
thats what yahoo headlines has it labeled as on the main page.
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here is the actual article that was posted to military dot com a few days ago...
http://www.army.mil/article/59441/ACU_changes_make_Velcro_optional__patrol_cap_default_headgear/ (http://www.army.mil/article/59441/ACU_changes_make_Velcro_optional__patrol_cap_default_headgear/)
"The Soldiers didn't like the fact that the beret was hot -- it was not something that they wore the majority of the time," he said. "And they didn't like the fact it didn't shade the sun and it took two hands to put on. And they didn't like to carry two pieces of headgear to do different functions during the day."
The beret has been the standard headgear for the Army's ACU -- the camouflage uniform worn by most Soldiers. But most Soldiers still needed to switch to the patrol cap based on the work they were doing -- in a motor pool or in the field, for instance.
Those Soldiers would have to carry two pieces of headgear with them, one in each pocket, and switch depending on what they was doing. In the field, they put on the patrol cap. Back on base, they'd have to switch to the beret.
The new policy will make the patrol cap the standard. But the beret isn't going anywhere. It will remain as the standard for the Army service uniform, and as an optional uniform item with the ACU -- at the discretion of commanders.
"They could choose to say for an event, like change of command, that they want them to wear the beret," Chandler said.
The change in the beret policy will save the Army about $6.5 million over the lifecycle of the ACU. New Soldiers had been issued two berets, now they will be issued one.
Chandler pointed out that Soldiers didn't ask to eliminate the beret -- just to change when it's worn.
"Soldiers said we don't want to wear it with this uniform, but they do feel they look very professional wearing it with the Army service uniform," Chandler said.
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All good changes.
Keep the Beret for Dress uniform but don't force it for everyday wear.
Get rid of the hook and loop stuff (at least optional).
Sew on badges (pins were stupid on a duty uniform to begin with).
Now lets just can the ACUs and our soldiers might have a chance at concealment!
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All good changes.
Keep the Beret for Dress uniform but don't force it for everyday wear.
Get rid of the hook and loop stuff (at least optional).
Sew on badges (pins were stupid on a duty uniform to begin with).
Now lets just can the ACUs and our soldiers might have a chance at concealment!
I don't mind the pins, I think they look better and you just don't put them on if you're going to the field. No reason to be wearing brag-tags out there anyway, imo.
I agree about the ACU's. Hell, everybody does. I think the Army's only issuing Multicam's in Afghanistan by now, but stateside I think we're stuck with ACU's for a long damn while.
I'm kinda' pissed right now because I just had to do a shakedown the other day and they highlighted all woodland gear on my list. I loved my Alice pack and now I'm stuck with this plastic Molle POS. I liked being in an Infantry Co. that was stuck in a Cav. Squadron that didn't like us but at least left us alone more than being in an Infantry Brigade that's stuck in Basic.
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Looks like Multicam might become the next BDU type uniform...at least that is what some buddies I have who have been over in Afghanistan have told me when they come back. It actually looks a lot better than anything else with the Mirage camo pattern coming in a distant second in my opinion.
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About frickin time. The beret is useless to wear. The patrol cap will at least shade the troopies eyes outside.
As far as the velcro patches are concerned, I kind of like them. The reason is that having to pay to have every darn patch sewn onto every shirt gets pricey especially when they keep changing the friggin uniform! I hated uniform changes because of that, besides having to pay for every darn uniform. :mad:
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:lol the army should learn from the corps...keep it simple...alpha, bravo, charlie, combat camo and blues (optional)...no idea how you army types keep up with the multitude of uniforms and dress standards.
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I don't mind the pins, I think they look better and you just don't put them on if you're going to the field. No reason to be wearing brag-tags out there anyway, imo.
I agree about the ACU's. Hell, everybody does. I think the Army's only issuing Multicam's in Afghanistan by now, but stateside I think we're stuck with ACU's for a long damn while.
I'm kinda' pissed right now because I just had to do a shakedown the other day and they highlighted all woodland gear on my list. I loved my Alice pack and now I'm stuck with this plastic Molle POS. I liked being in an Infantry Co. that was stuck in a Cav. Squadron that didn't like us but at least left us alone more than being in an Infantry Brigade that's stuck in Basic.
Mine is field-ready for 72 hours (food/water), plus clothes for longer and lives in my Wrangler, 24/7 (unless I am wearing it, of course)
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff107/tymekeepyr/Gio%20Camping/DanAlicePack.jpg)
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff107/tymekeepyr/Gio%20Camping/DanGioCamp.jpg)
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Don't mean to pry, but how tall are you?
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Don't mean to pry, but how tall are you?
he's about this tall...
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:devil :devil :devil :devil :devil
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Too "French"
Good riddance!
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Don't mean to pry, but how tall are you?
5'-4" 200 lbs.
To be fair, the guy taking the pic was about 6'-5" :O
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he's about this tall...
(http://news-talk.info/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/1302129028-18.jpg)
:devil :devil :devil :devil :devil
Tall enough to still reach your woman when I bend her over without having to use a stool...
:devil :devil :devil :devil :devil
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Tall enough to still reach your woman when I bend her over without having to use a stool...
:devil :devil :devil :devil :devil
:rofl :lol your nose would get brown...
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Mixed emotions on this decision. Then again I was furious when the Army switched from my beloved BDU's to those piece of **** ACU's. I have never hated a piece of clothing more. :old:
As for the Beret, I always thought it looked good while on garrison duty and with Class A's. Now lets hope they hurry up and decide to issue the MCU for everyday use and not just for Afghanistan deployments.
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My dad loved the switch from Army OD green work pants and shirts to the BDU setup.
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Mixed emotions on this decision. Then again I was furious when the Army switched from my beloved BDU's to those piece of **** ACU's. I have never hated a piece of clothing more. :old:
As for the Beret, I always thought it looked good while on garrison duty and with Class A's. Now lets hope they hurry up and decide to issue the MCU for everyday use and not just for Afghanistan deployments.
Berets look better when they have been earned :bolt:
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My dad loved the switch from Army OD green work pants and shirts to the BDU setup.
I sure didn't. I was still in when that change was made and wore my fatigues until the very last damn day they were authorized. I had several sets of the "summer" fatigues. They were light weight, fitted you better and were very easy to keep looking good. They were really wash and wear and did not really need starching for everyday wear. The original BDU's were heavy, hot, shapeless bags that were and are dangerous around moving machinery. The inside of a tank is kind of close quarters and having the shirt tail flapping around near the turret ring was not comfortable at all. Yeah you could later get some "light weight" BDU's but they were still hotter to wear than the old fatigues and didn't become available for more than a year after the mandatory transition date had passed.
I fully agree with the idea of a camo combat uniform but not for stateside garrison duty. Besides the old woodland camo pattern didn't make much sense in the SW or the sandbox either for that matter.
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5'-4" 200 lbs.
To be fair, the guy taking the pic was about 6'-5" :O
You're what us 6'-5"ers refer to as a mobile table top on the trail. :devil
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Glad I get to wear A2CUs pretty much all the time way more comfortable than acus. cant wait till Multicam is the standard pattern though.
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You're what us 6'-5"ers refer to as a mobile table top on the trail. :devil
Weebles may wobble but they don't fall down :devil
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As long as we fall on our arses, we'll still be taller. :D
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Berets look better when they have been earned :bolt:
Very true. I always thought the Rangers deserved to keep the black berets and we should have had the tan ones. Not as sharp but way more respectful to the guys and traditions that earned them.
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Very true. I always thought the Rangers deserved to keep the black berets and we should have had the tan ones. Not as sharp but way more respectful to the guys and traditions that earned them.
:salute
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Mine is field-ready for 72 hours (food/water), plus clothes for longer and lives in my Wrangler, 24/7 (unless I am wearing it, of course)
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff107/tymekeepyr/Gio%20Camping/DanAlicePack.jpg)
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff107/tymekeepyr/Gio%20Camping/DanGioCamp.jpg)
Them Alice packs are awesome, aren't they? I guess now's a good time for me to buy one, I could get a GI one on the cheap at the Surplus Store in town but I've got a few buddies that bought rucks from Blackhawk and such which were just custom packs on Alice frames. But at this point I don't want to buy something that I wouldn't get to actually use in uniform, I've got Jansport's and Kelty's if I want to ruck on my own time and they're great.
Here's what I'm talking about:
(http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/5369/m46h.jpg)
Now THAT is something I wanna' wear! :rock
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Them Alice packs are awesome, aren't they? I guess now's a good time for me to buy one, I could get a GI one on the cheap at the Surplus Store in town but I've got a few buddies that bought rucks from Blackhawk and such which were just custom packs on Alice frames. But at this point I don't want to buy something that I wouldn't get to actually use in uniform, I've got Jansport's and Kelty's if I want to ruck on my own time and they're great.
Here's what I'm talking about:
(http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/5369/m46h.jpg)
Now THAT is something I wanna' wear! :rock
I've had mine since 1990 :rock
The only thing I have had to change are the straps. It is a large one, so it holds enough survival gear to keep two folks going for a few days. Couple gallons of water, freeze dried food/MRE's, flint/steel/tinder, homemade mini camp stove (made from coffee can for boiling water) flares, campden tabs, hatchet, knife, 2 sleeping bags/rubber b*tch's, small two-man tent, (2) 100' lengths of 550 cord (one black, one green), spare box of ammo for the .22, first aid kit, flashlight(and extra batteries), signal mirror, fishing line/hooks, TP/baby wipes, (2) extra packs of smokes(of course), extra clothes and a Willie Peter bag to keep it all dry.
I'm sure I forgot a few goodies that I have in there, but it comes in a hair under 50 lbs, including the water.
We live near enough to the Appalachian trail and the N.J. Pine Barrens to make impromptu day trips or go off-roading whenever we want. Basically, I can go hiking with the wife at a moment's notice and not have to worry about coming home if it get's too late.
I've been told that the MOLLE packs are more combat appropriate and modular, but I sure love my ALICE pack :rock
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The berets belong to the guys who went the extra mile in training to earn them. When I wore my Army BDU's, I had no problem with my camo baseball cap. Kept the sun off my eyes and with my shaved head very little sweat.
I still think the old green fatigues were more comfortable then the BDU's.
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The berets belong to the guys who went the extra mile in training to earn them. When I wore my Army BDU's, I had no problem with my camo baseball cap. Kept the sun off my eyes and with my shaved head very little sweat.
I still think the old green fatigues were more comfortable then the BDU's.
Agreed on the Beret comment.
I have no opinion on the green fatigues.. I still have some BDU pants, though. I always though them comfortable and pretty durable. At least 1 or 2 pair are almost 20 years old.
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Hell yes! Im so glad we are going back to the PC. most of us hate the beret. dumbest thing ever
And about the Multicam.. we are currently wearing it. but as far as i know it is only getting issued to Deploying units to Afghanistan. its known as the OEF uniform so they said once we get back stateside we have to turn all this stuff back in for ACU.
I saw in the Armytimes that they are thinking about buying/creating a variant of MARPAT (i hope not :uhoh) id be so much happier if they just mass issued Multicam
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Them Alice packs are awesome, aren't they? I guess now's a good time for me to buy one, I could get a GI one on the cheap at the Surplus Store in town but I've got a few buddies that bought rucks from Blackhawk and such which were just custom packs on Alice frames. But at this point I don't want to buy something that I wouldn't get to actually use in uniform, I've got Jansport's and Kelty's if I want to ruck on my own time and they're great.
Here's what I'm talking about:
(http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/5369/m46h.jpg)
Now THAT is something I wanna' wear! :rock
The old short-frame external-frame Keltys (worth their weight in gold these days) are the closest I've found to the Alice in the civi market. The longer and modern "standard" external frame on Keltys now is also a great (my favorite available "on the lot" still at most stores) frame for recreationing, but the extension that I feel is to just keep things from slapping into your butt while on the trail makes it tougher to take five confortabley without taking it off, which is a bad thing in my book for any breaks shorter than 20 minutes on the trail, easier to get going again by not completely sitting down or unloading the pack. Internal frame packs look cooler but are just IMO heavier, less flexible/adapable and short of a monsoon season - useless to me. Good ol' simple solid external framed packs are my favorite and have been handy on the trail a dozen ways from Sunday (I got a picture from my younger backpacking trek days of me and "my" pack I just humped up a 4.5k foot sumit we scaled that morning - rediculously strapped up with another hiker's Kelty and an overstock of ~25 pounds of water (we had a dry camp that night and weren't expecting to see water again until just reaching the next evening's camp) and an extra ~10 pounds of food since we had just stocked up and resuplied the afternoon before).
*sigh* Now there's something I could go for getting back into someday when I have more time/money, was excelent for keeping you in shape and leaned off the cancer sticks.
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I have an ALICE and a MOLLE pack; like both of them and they both have different uses in my opinion. The ALICE is more about long term while I tend to think of the MOLLE as more short term. It could be that I use the MOLLE as a quick travel bag for work trips and stuff as well.
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Probably a good call since "dont ask dont tell" was repealled, Army brass was probably worried some nancy boiz would start wearing "Rasberry Berets" :devil