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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Yarbles on June 15, 2011, 06:52:06 AM
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We have 3 x Zeros but no Oscar but my research suggests it was also a very important Japanese fighter. Ok it won''t turn up in the MA but we do have allot of MA fighters and for early war scenatio's wouldn't this be a great addition?.
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- been asked before
- there is a beautiful thing called wishlist ;)
otherwise +1 :aok
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Huge fan of the Ki-43. +1
I would fly them in the MA.
(Ki-44 and Ki-45) :aok
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post in the correct forum :neener:
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We have 3 x Zeros but no Oscar but my research suggests it was also a very important Japanese fighter. Ok it won''t turn up in the MA but we do have allot of MA fighters and for early war scenatio's wouldn't this be a great addition?.
+1 and +1 on wish list with other requests for it.
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+1 regardless of which forum this belongs in :aok
+6 for the heck of it
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+1 regardless of which forum this belongs in :aok
+6 for the heck of it
:rofl :rofl :rofl
^^+1 to this^^
+1 for the op :aok
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It would be a more common ride than you'd think in the MA. It ought to out turn just about anything else and that gives it a niche to fill. Would be a pain in the behind to Hurri, Brewster and A6M drivers I suspect.
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It would be a more common ride than you'd think in the MA. It ought to out turn just about anything else and that gives it a niche to fill. Would be a pain in the behind to Hurri, Brewster and A6M drivers I suspect.
Yeh, but good luck killing a Brewster with 2 .30 cals, I usually need 2 or 3 passes with the Hispanos and TONS of hits to kill a Brew with 20mm's, can only imagine it would be a long protracted affair to do it with those pellet guns.....
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May take longer to get kills in but is completely capable of doing so.
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Came too late and saw no combat
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Came too late and saw no combat
:headscratch:
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Add it HTC. +1
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Came too late and saw no combat
(http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt242/yanqui92/cool-face.jpg)
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Came too late and saw no combat
Sorry to be blunt, but you are dead wrong.
The Nakajima Ki-43 Hayabusa (Allied reporting name "Oscar") was produced in greater numbers than any other IJA plane (5,900+) and served on every front for the entire duration of the war.
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Sorry to be blunt, but you are dead wrong.
The Nakajima Ki-43 Hayabusa (Allied reporting name "Oscar") was produced in greater numbers than any other IJA plane (5,900+) and served on every front for the entire duration of the war.
(http://mahakhalid.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/hook-line-sinker.gif)
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Yeh, but good luck killing a Brewster with 2 .30 cals, I usually need 2 or 3 passes with the Hispanos and TONS of hits to kill a Brew with 20mm's, can only imagine it would be a long protracted affair to do it with those pellet guns.....
remember, a shot to the head is a shot to the head, regardless of the gun.
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Came too late and saw no combat
that's just sour grapes because your f7f didn't see any combat... :neener:
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remember, a shot to the head is a shot to the head, regardless of the gun.
If I could find the pilot in that fat little plane I would shoot him.... but I think even the canopy glass is bulletproof! :noid :noid
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M-18?
:noid
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Shades. Shades everywhere...
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Yeh, but good luck killing a Brewster with 2 .30 cals, I usually need 2 or 3 passes with the Hispanos and TONS of hits to kill a Brew with 20mm's, can only imagine it would be a long protracted affair to do it with those pellet guns.....
What kind of Hispanos do you have?
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The BREW in-game seems to take 2-3 solid hits that would each bring down a spit or 109. Hit it with 30mm+ and it lights up or goes down, but seems to really survive a heavy abuse (assuming you don't insta-kill the pilot).
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Am I the only one that doesn't have trouble with brewsters?
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I've killed them, so I don't have "too much trouble" per se, I just seem to find myself plinking away longer than on other craft.
Rangoon for example, I pulled in point blank behind a BREW that was intent on bombers. I'm in a 110C. I know my main hitting power is the MG/FF. I'm close, not missing any rounds, no convergence issues... I unload and have to sit there pounding him for 2x longer than I expected before he simply lost a wing.
Didn't go boom or anything, just lost a wing. I was hitting the fuselage area as well (must have been wing root damage) so I should have popped the pilot easily.
(EDIT: I'm not saying anything is wrong, just recounting how it seems to me -- just a perception and it could be placebo or based on outside factors)
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Yes, it's IJAF main fighter during the war.
It should be available in Aces High. :)
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Loved the Ki43 in WBs. I would think it would be a great EW and MW ride.....
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Did WBs have the -I or -II?
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Yeh, but good luck killing a Brewster with 2 .30 cals, I usually need 2 or 3 passes with the Hispanos and TONS of hits to kill a Brew with 20mm's, can only imagine it would be a long protracted affair to do it with those pellet guns.....
That would be a Ki-43-1. Ki-43-II had two 12.7mm guns as in the cowl of the Ki-84, and I have killed multiple aircraft per sortie with nothing but the 12.7mm guns on the Ki-84.
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^-- Same here, but in our game they seem to fire 2x faster than they did historically. Might be a bit harder to bring craft down if you only fire 450 rpm. You have to sit there longer, giving them more time to get away.
It's been ages since I played with WB offline. How fast were the guns there?
EDIT: P.S. The -I would be exclusively 1 7mm and 1 12.7mm.
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Krusty,
Agreed. As I recall, rather than try to find the data, which may not be available, for all the synchronized guns in AH HTC just did a generic 10% reduction in rate of fire. I recall reading that Browning heavy machine guns, which the Ho-103 and Ho-5 are derivatives of, did not handle synchronization well. The Brewster would also be impacted by such a fix.
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Have you considered putting the Brew, Hurri and wildcat in the offline drone circle then doing time to kill testing with different guns? Didn't this model of the Brew have most of it's armor for the pilot removed to up the performance?
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Not sure which variant WBs had. One of my most memorable sorties ever was killing five better than average F4Fs in a single sortie and landing with 98 rounds left (200 default loadout) and no damage.
All shots were under 100 yrds and on the cockpit. Ki43 was a real snipers rifle.
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Big thumbs up to the Ki-43 "Oscar". It was the primary Japanese Army Air Force fighter in China/Burma/India 1942-45 and as Bino said saw action in large #s on every PAC front in WW2. Its also a fun little fighter...extremely manueveable.
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Karnak: I forgot about the Brew... And the SBD, too!
But now that I think about it, I think rather than a generic 10% HTC has modeled all foreign models after the US rate of fire. The stock is 800 or so, and we get in the 650 range for our US planes. That's about 20% loss. That seems to match with synch'd US rates of fires, so the Brew, SBD, P-40B, wouldn't be affected. Just the foreign rides.
Problem is that even though they're based off the Browning, the Breda SAFAT and the Ho103 don't act like it. Different rounds as well. It's natural they'd have their own rates of fires.
Now they know! Hopefully they'll update those Japanese and Italian models.
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Technically speaking the Brewster is listed as the Finnish one, not the American one. :devil
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Someone pull out the ORLY bird for Westy!
The Finnish Brew has the same fuel tank armor as the a6m's (NONE), also the same self sealing tanks (also NONE).
So why is it that they are twice as hard to light?? :huh :headscratch:
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"that's just sour grapes because your f7f didn't see any combat."
Nah. Just tired of the wishlist forum "experts" spouting b.s. :t
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Someone pull out the ORLY bird for Westy!
The Finnish Brew has the same fuel tank armor as the a6m's (NONE), also the same self sealing tanks (also NONE).
So why is it that they are twice as hard to light?? :huh :headscratch:
Actually the claim is they put all that stuff right back in as soon as they got it. I wonder if that weight is accounted for in AH?
But that's another thread entirely.....
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"that's just sour grapes because your f7f didn't see any combat."
Nah. Just tired of the wishlist forum "experts" spouting b.s. :t
You don't seem to be reading anything in this thread, and are not even remotely on topic or 100,000 miles near "correct" --- so quit trolling please?
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Someone pull out the ORLY bird for Westy!
The Finnish Brew has the same fuel tank armor as the a6m's (NONE), also the same self sealing tanks (also NONE).
So why is it that they are twice as hard to light?? :huh :headscratch:
Pixie dust.
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Pixie dust.
You just had to go and reveal the secret, didn't you.
- oldman (now everyone will be wanting pixie dust)
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"that's just sour grapes because your f7f didn't see any combat."
Nah. Just tired of the wishlist forum "experts" spouting b.s. :t
hey westy...pssst...you see the word quote at the top right corner of everyone's posts? guess what it's for...it's a really neat little piece of html code that allows you to do the above...all you have to do is make sure you're not typing within the markers.
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Yeager in Warbirds we have model II - 2*12.7mm
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I personally think the Ki-43-II would be the best choice for AH. Little better features (preformace and armament wise) for the MA, and as long as it has the 1 x 7MM 1 x 12.7MM option it could sub in the early war special events setup. ;)
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I personally think the Ki-43-II would be the best choice for AH. Little better features (preformace and armament wise) for the MA, and as long as it has the 1 x 7MM 1 x 12.7MM option it could sub in the early war special events setup. ;)
I'd prefer to have both the Ki-43-I and Ki-43-II. There were a number of significant differences between the two.
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I'd prefer to have both the Ki-43-I and Ki-43-II. There were a number of significant differences between the two.
Most significantly, the Ki-43-II being two times better.
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M-18 :noid
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M-18 :noid
is useless garbage.
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is useless garbage.
It certainly is lacking in climb rate performance.
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It certainly is lacking in climb rate performance.
However that gun package is amazing.
Too bad it can take much of a beating, hell, the wings come off just looking at it.
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I'd opt for the Ki-43-IIIb (2 H0-5 cannon) :aok
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I'd prefer to have both the Ki-43-I and Ki-43-II. There were a number of significant differences between the two.
Considering that it was the main fighter of the IJAAF, IMO it deserves to have all three major variants depicted.
I'd opt for the Ki-43-IIIb (2 H0-5 cannon) :aok
Only two prototypes were built, no production.
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I personally think the Ki-43-II would be the best choice for AH. Little better features (preformace and armament wise) for the MA, and as long as it has the 1 x 7MM 1 x 12.7MM option it could sub in the early war special events setup. ;)
Wouldn't that be like the F4F-3/4 we have now? I'd rather they put both Ki-43-I and -II in than to mash the two together. Would be nice if they separated the F4F-3/4 into two different planes as well. :)
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Guys if it were up to me, I would like to see all variants of the Japanese planes (and others). I was just trying to be realistic with my wishes. Sure I'd love to have all three, if we could only get one I think the II would be perfect.
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The -I and -II were not all that similar.
The -I had a Ha25 engine, and a 2-bladed prop. It made 308mph max speed at 13000 feet or so. This aircraft suffered structural problems with the wings. It had a telescopic gunsight.
The -II had a Ha115 engine with a 3-bladed prop. This necessitated a new cowling. It made about 330mph max speed also at aroudn 13000 feet. These did not start trickling in to replace -Is until 1943 was underway. The wings were strengthened and racks were added for drop tanks or small bombs. It had 13mm of pilot armor installed covering the head and back of the pilot, as well as rudimentary self-sealing tanks (but still better than the previous version!). This version also had a taller canopy for the pilot and a reflector gunsight.
The Ki-43-III wasn't started until later in 1944. By that time the war was looking ugly for the Japanese. Some were used against B-29s (albeit with light guns only -- no 20mm cannons), and some were used as trainers, and still others as kamikaze. It was the fastest model (about 360mph) with the most powerful engine, but essentially it was a footnote compared to the service of the previous 2 variants. They started the war and kept it going all the way to the end.
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OK that's it..... I request the V-1
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is useless garbage.
someone doesnt like me :cry
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The Ki-43-III wasn't started until later in 1944. By that time the war was looking ugly for the Japanese. Some were used against B-29s (albeit with light guns only -- no 20mm cannons), and some were used as trainers, and still others as kamikaze. It was the fastest model (about 360mph) with the most powerful engine, but essentially it was a footnote compared to the service of the previous 2 variants. They started the war and kept it going all the way to the end.
Ki-43-III fought for example in Burma, Indochina, China, Philippines and Formosa (Taiwan). It was flown by several Ki-43 aces. Tachikawa Hikoki built a total of 2629 -II and -IIIs. It's a hell of a lot more than just a footnote.
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You may be mixing up the versions WMaker.
You'll note "-IIs and -IIIs" that you quote? Most of those were -IIs. The -III wasn't even worked on until the second half of 1944. Production for the first production variant (i.e. non test, non prototype) didn't start until December 1944.
Yes, I agree that the factory you mention produced a lot, but a majority of what they produced was most certainly -II models. The factory was producing Ki-43s from May 1943 until the end of the war. That gives it a ~2-year headstart to produce Ki-43-IIs before the -III came into production. At the same time, Nakajima stopped producing the -II to focus on the Ki-84 and other ventures. Overall prodution was just under 6000 for all 3 types, of which Ki-43-III production (while hard to pin down exact numbers) was the minority.
Per J Baugher:
Production began in December of 1944, most of the aircraft being built by Tachikawa Hikoki K.K..
The Ki-43-IIIa was assigned to units defending Tokyo and other major Japanese cities and was also used in numerous suicide attacks during the final phases of the Pacific War.
You can even see the photo of a Ki-43-III taking off on a kamikaze mission on wiki, where possibly you saw the line about the factory producing -IIs and -IIIs?
The Ki-43-I and Ki-43-II had a long and noted history of aerial combat. The Ki-43-III not so much. It was Ki-43-Is or Ki-43-IIs flying over Burma, not Ki-43-IIIs. You're at least a year too early for that to be remotely possible, I think. It was -Is and -IIs over Singapore.
I think you'll be hard-pressed to find much record of Ki-43-III service, if you look into it.
Just so we are clear (so we're on the same page), the Ki-43-I and Ki-43-II would be great additions and most needed additions to this game. I have always said as much. The Ki-43-III would fill almost no role in this game due to its limited service and being surpassed by better aircraft at the time. At the end of 1944 and into 1945 it was just obsolete.
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Just so we are clear (so we're on the same page), the Ki-43-I and Ki-43-II would be great additions and most needed additions to this game. I have always said as much.
Woot woot, that's the spirit :rock
Still can't wait for my first sortie in the Ki-43(?), when ever it is, man that's gonna be a blast.
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Ok it won''t turn up in the MA
Oh yes it will! :aok
Not all of us tend to fly Tie Fighter 16s and LA7s. To many here (self included) it is more fun to shoot down uber planes and pilots in underated planes.
+1 on the Oscar KI43
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+1 :aok :rock
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I would fly it in the MA... Probably not very well, but I would fly it. Also, I imagine that it would be popular in the DA. Similar to the C202, fun to duel in because it is manueverable but snap shots rarely end the fight with just a couple of pings.
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Just remember you are flying a firework, and you're gonna light up good. On the other hand, once you are on someone, they can't get you off.
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Just remember you are flying a firework, and you're gonna light up good. On the other hand, once you are on someone, they can't get you off.
No more so than in the A6M series. Frankly, the rudimentary self sealing tanks on the Ki-43-II probably mean it would be less prone to fires than the A6Ms.
Also, you'd be very, very nimble and thus, if you keep up your SA, should be able to avoid most attacks.
You're pretty much toast if blindsided though. Ki-43 was probably the lightest built WWII fighter by a wide margin.
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You may be mixing up the versions WMaker.
No, I'm not mixing up versions.
Your arrogance knows no bounds.
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Overall prodution was just under 6000 for all 3 types, of which Ki-43-III production (while hard to pin down exact numbers) was the minority.
...Just like the Dora, 109K, F4U-1C and F4U-4 for example. Ki-43 was the mainstay of the IJAAF and definately deserves to have three variants added. Main types of the US, GE and UK already have many more variants for their main types.
Per J Baugher:
Hiroshi Ichimura's Aircraft of the Aces book for example details how 64th Sentai returned to Burma in 2nd of August '44 after it had switched to Ki-43-IIIs, a full year before the VJ-day.
You're at least a year too early for that to be remotely possible,
It looks like you need to read some elemental facts on how the front line moved in the Pacific War.
I think you'll be hard-pressed to find much record of Ki-43-III service, if you look into it.
That's just the thing. Unlike you, I have actually looked into it.
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And there should be plenty of great looking skins for the Oscar. Somewhere in HTC land the Oscar has to be prowlin :noid
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Hiroshi Ichimura's Aircraft of the Aces book for example details how 64th Sentai returned to Burma in 2nd of August '44 after it had switched to Ki-43-IIIs, a full year before the VJ-day.
Funny, since the plane didn't begin production until December 1944.
I don't know the book you mentioned, but I suspect they got their facts wrong on that one.
EDIT: Although there is some idle speculation that 64th Sentai got a small number of pre-production Ki-43-IIIs at some point to test/trial, I will give you that much. Perhaps that is where the book you listed makes a mistake.
Edit2: Actually, that doesn't explain your book's mistake, since they started getting pre-production prototypes in September.
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KI43 shot down more allied aircraft than any other japanese type.
The secondary KI43 factory kept producing the KI43 long after the primary factory switched to KI84 and was the factory responsible for the KI43III
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/29/Ki-43-I_captured_in_flight_over_Brisbane_1943.jpg)
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Joe Bauher lists only 10 preproduction prototypes were made in May of 1944. These were tested for quite a long time, and for whatever reasons (delays, new tooling, whatever) production lines didn't pump out models until December.
Now, I've seen combat reports of 64th Sentai with Ki-43-IIIs engaging spitfires and such in Jan 1945 and Feb 1945, but I haven't seen anything earlier than this. The majority of the few-hundred Ki-43-IIIs built saw limited homeland defense in 1945. Burma is one exception, although the Ki-43-IIIs there were definitely not as much of a game-changer as WMaker would suggest.
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Well....we have spit 16 and f4uc in game.......
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Well....we have spit 16 and f4uc in game.......
We do not, in fact, have the Spitfire Mk XVI. We have the Spitfire LF.Mk IXe labeled as a Spitfire Mk XVI. More than 3000 Spitfire LF.Mk IXs were built, and more than 1000 of the very similar Spitfire Mk XVIs. Putting that in the same category as the F4U-1C is ridiculous. Aircraft in the F4U-1C's category are the C.205, P-47M, Me163 and Ta152.
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Aircraft in the F4U-1C's category are the C.205, P-47M, Me163 and Ta152.
N1K2-J?
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N1K2-J?
No, over 400 made is enough to get it out of that category in my opinion.
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but essentially it was a footnote compared to the service of the previous 2 variants.
1098 Ki-43-IIIa built. That's more than a footnote.
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In AH the majority of the airframes has the most pimped out versions, for example: 109k, 152, p47m, f4u4 and f4u1c, spit16, la7, brewster.
I can see NO point why not add the 20mm version of this lil ride, rising her up from the hangar queen role. More than 1000 was built, more than p47ms, f4u1cs, f4u4s and 152s together (!) so idk whats the point.
In the other hand, the 12mm version can be added too as an EW or a scenario ride. I bet those versions dont require much 3d modification.
BIG +1
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In AH the majority of the airframes has the most pimped out versions, for example: 109k, 152, p47m, f4u4 and f4u1c, spit16, la7, brewster.
I can see NO point why not add the 20mm version of this lil ride, rising her up from the hangar queen role. More than 1000 was built, more than p47ms, f4u1cs, f4u4s and 152s together (!) so idk whats the point.
In the other hand, the 12mm version can be added too as an EW or a scenario ride. I bet those versions dont require much 3d modification.
BIG +1
Erm, the Ki-43-III had two 12.7mm machine guns, just like the Ki-43-II, but it did 360mph instead of 330mph. The Ki-43-IIIb with two 20mm Ho-5 cannons was not used due to the end of the war.
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Erm, the Ki-43-III had two 12.7mm machine guns, just like the Ki-43-II, but it did 360mph instead of 330mph. The Ki-43-IIIb with two 20mm Ho-5 cannons was not used due to the end of the war.
Opps thanks for the correction <S>
360mph is capable, heck, only 25mph slower than my g-6 and turns the crap outta anything.
In the real war it could be a weak aircraft, but in AH, the deck furballs are just for this ride.
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This was my favorite ride when playing pacific fighters online. On a side note, I did enjoy the ability to fly whatever skin I came up with in PF.
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1098 Ki-43-IIIa built. That's more than a footnote.
Where, pray tell, could you have possibly pulled that number?
The one plant that made them made 2600 combined -II and -IIIs, but it was making the -IIs at full speed for 2 years before it made -IIIs for about 6 months or so. I seriously doubt the 2 year span leading up to the 6 months of -III production would only have made the same amount of airframes... Especially considering it was still producing -IIs alongside the -IIIs for those 6 months or so.
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Where, pray tell, could you have possibly pulled that number?
The one plant that made them made 2600 combined -II and -IIIs, but it was making the -IIs at full speed for 2 years before it made -IIIs for about 6 months or so. I seriously doubt the 2 year span leading up to the 6 months of -III production would only have made the same amount of airframes... Especially considering it was still producing -IIs alongside the -IIIs for those 6 months or so.
Tachikawa Hikoki
production run Mark II, May 1943 - mid 1944 1,531
production run Mark III, mid 1944 - July 1945 1,098 (excludes IIIc prototypes), Tachikawa expands production in 1944 with new plant at Kofu
Source: Carl Molesworth, Jim Winchester and Stewart Wilson
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Yep.....added another plant who continued production after the original plant switched over to the ki84
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Bighorn,
Thanks for that production figure and source! In Osprey publication's book Ki-43 vs P-40, Molesworth lists the same production figure.
In Japanese publication called Aero Detail #29 Nakajima Ki-43 "Oscar" HAYABUSA the Ki-43-III prodution is said to have been 1727 aircraft from July '44 till end of the war (serials 7001-8727).
Funny, since the plane didn't begin production until December 1944.
I don't know the book you mentioned, but I suspect they got their facts wrong on that one.
EDIT: Although there is some idle speculation that 64th Sentai got a small number of pre-production Ki-43-IIIs at some point to test/trial, I will give you that much. Perhaps that is where the book you listed makes a mistake.
Edit2: Actually, that doesn't explain your book's mistake, since they started getting pre-production prototypes in September.
What I find funny is how it is of course my source that's wrong and yours is of course right. :rolleyes: I repeat, your arrogance knows no bounds. The 64th's use of the type is no "idle speculation" when the date in which the planes arrived is listed and and against what types they were used in combat. -III also saw heavy use during the defence of the Philippines.
It is also funny how you pull your "few hundred planes" from a hat and then start pestering bighorn for a source for his figure. Comedy gold. :lol