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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Butcher on June 15, 2011, 10:20:14 PM
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I want to say I made a mistake a few years back, given over 3 years ago I made the claim I was a pilot in the marine corp that flew Fa-18s. This is completely untrue. In all honesty I never served in the marine corps period, and I was never in fact a military pilot. I spoken to someone tonight I feel I respect quite dearly which was Ink from the army of muppets, and although I did try to apologize over the years I did not make it formal, in another words to people I felt were in my opinion desired. What I did was completely selfish, and I absolutely do not wish for sympathy from anyone.
My biggest sorrow is I am nothing more than a Liar, and I will deeply regret what I have done.
Callsign Adonai, aka Butcher
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The truth will set you free. :aok
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You owned up to it which takes guts so :salute
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I :salute you for comming out with it. Most people would be too scared
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Your a bad man Butcher, but we forgive you.
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:salute way to man up and own it.
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:salute
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:aok :salute
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:salute
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Live and learn.
Dont do it again.
Remember this when you catch someone in a lie [forgiveness is virtue].
The Golden Rule applies here too.
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Live and learn.
Dont do it again.
Remember this when you catch someone in a lie [forgiveness is virtue].
The Golden Rule applies here too.
What I did and said there is no golden rule involved.
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Crap...you are Adonai. Guess I don't pay attention enough.
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Forgive but never forget.
:salute
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I want to say I made a mistake a few years back, given over 3 years ago I made the claim I was a pilot in the marine corp that flew Fa-18s. This is completely untrue. In all honesty I never served in the marine corps period, and I was never in fact a military pilot. I spoken to someone tonight I feel I respect quite dearly which was Ink from the army of muppets, and although I did try to apologize over the years I did not make it formal, in another words to people I felt were in my opinion desired. What I did was completely selfish, and I absolutely do not wish for sympathy from anyone.
My biggest sorrow is I am nothing more than a Liar, and I will deeply regret what I have done.
Callsign Adonai, aka Butcher
Do people really believe 1/2 of what they hear on this game? UNTIL the meet that player in person?????
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If only the shade vulchers were like this. <S>
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Dude. Ballsy. Next to no chance of getting away with it...Wow. Not worth it. Forgiveness is overrated. Kudos on the sentiment.
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You were lying about the F-18s?? Holy crap, I'm such an idiot for believing you I feel so stupid now. :mad:
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WHAT?!! I BECAME a Marine Corp pilot because of YOU!!!!!
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lol Filth............... and WTG Adonai :salute
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Clean slate with something to prove. Honesty is always the way. :salute
Boo
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Well done! :aok. It takes a great deal more courage to confess a lie than to tell it.
I do have to say that masquerading as a military officer and one who has succeeded at the rigorous flight training required to fly fast movers is an enormous insult. You haven't the slightest idea how much effort and sacrifice you lied about.
:salute to those who have stepped up, volunteered, sacrificed, and served proudly!
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Forgive but never forget.
What Suns said. All the sorry in the world doesn't matter if nothing changes going forward.
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Butcher, you have to join the Corps and fly F/A-18's, that's the only way to make up for it.
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:salute
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WHAT?!! I BECAME a Marine Corp pilot because of YOU!!!!!
I tried but I ended flying a cargo plane full of rubber dogpoo out of Hong Kong.
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I tried but I ended flying a cargo plane full of rubber dogpoo out of Hong Kong.
:rofl
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I fly F/16s for the CIA and was bit by a scorpion.
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I fly F/16s for the CIA and was bit by a scorpion.
He expects us to believe he actually got bit by a scorpion! Hahaha! :lol
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You never lose with the truth, welcome back Adonai
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Ritual disembowelment is one way to atone for this.
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Ritual disembowelment is one way to atone for this.
:rock
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Nice coming out, I always wondered who Butcher was :salute
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Ritual disembowelment is one way to atone for this.
That'll just about atone for anything.
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butch, youre a fine guy to fly with. you lied and owned up to it. <S> bud
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I always respected your gamemanship, and as a career fighting soldier recently retired I salute you for your honesty. Of course that voice was unmistakeable :)
Jekyll
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never understood why people felt the need to be posers behind the magic curtain...at least you owned up to it. :aok
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I respect you for owning up to it. It's pretty easy to make fantastic claims on the internet but a lot harder to take them back. :cheers:
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But did you meet a member of the 367th at an air show, pretend never to have never played AH and then sign up as Butcher? Or was that just an elaborate cover story?
Like a hall of mirrors in this place, up is down, black is white...
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Butcher is Adonai no one tells me nothing lol you came forward bro thats what matters.
i was wondering what happen to you :salute
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Butcher is Adonai no one tells me nothing lol you came forward bro thats what matters.
i was wondering what happen to you :salute
yep same here did not have a clue. Welcome back Adonai
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We still wuv ya :aok
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Came clean, your cool with me. :cheers: :salute
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Alright, with the number of guys coming in here and taking this thread seriously I'll make a serious post.
Butch, you are a liar. You've been lying the last few months telling people you're new, and you lied when you said you were a pilot. All this patting on the back you're getting for owing up to is undeserved and unwarranted.
The anonymity provided to us by the internet doesn't allow us to be whoever we want, it allows us to be precisely who we are. Some of us are group-thinkers, some of us like to bicker, some of us are thieves, and some of us are liars. The way to find out who you really are is to examine how you behave when Mommy isn't looking over your shoulder.
In the world of throw-away names and protected identities you have nothing on the line. In real life if you owe up to a mistake you are humbly accepting the consequences and willfully taking a hit to your reputation, your one and only reputation. That can sometimes take a significant amount of courage, and some may respect that bravery. The same is not (or at least should not) be true here.
You could've just scrapped this identity and created a new one instead of owing up to your lies, so I don't think this should earn you any brownie points. It just pains me to see it's actually working. A formal apology on the internet by an anonymous individual is worth zilch, imo.
All I got from this thread is to not listen to what Butcher says. Salute anyways, you're fun to fly with. :salute
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:aok
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Like a hall of mirrors in this place, up is down, black is white...
You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike.
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You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike.
ROFL.
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Big step to improvement on your behalf.
I respect that in a person <S>
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Alright, with the number of guys coming in here and taking this thread seriously I'll make a serious post.
Butch, you are a liar. You've been lying the last few months telling people you're new, and you lied when you said you were a pilot. All this patting on the back you're getting for owing up to is undeserved and unwarranted.
The anonymity provided to us by the internet doesn't allow us to be whoever we want, it allows us to be precisely who we are. Some of us are group-thinkers, some of us like to bicker, some of us are thieves, and some of us are liars. The way to find out who you really are is to examine how you behave when Mommy isn't looking over your shoulder.
In the world of throw-away names and protected identities you have nothing on the line. In real life if you owe up to a mistake you are humbly accepting the consequences and willfully taking a hit to your reputation, your one and only reputation. That can sometimes take a significant amount of courage, and some may respect that bravery. The same is not (or at least should not) be true here.
You could've just scrapped this identity and created a new one instead of owing up to your lies, so I don't think this should earn you any brownie points. It just pains me to see it's actually working. A formal apology on the internet by an anonymous individual is worth zilch, imo.
All I got from this thread is to not listen to what Butcher says. Salute anyways, you're fun to fly with. :salute
:aok
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You could've just scrapped this identity and created a new one instead of owing up to your lies, so I don't think this should earn you any brownie points. It just pains me to see it's actually working. A formal apology on the internet by an anonymous individual is worth zilch, imo.
All I got from this thread is to not listen to what Butcher says. Salute anyways, you're fun to fly with. :salute
I don't recall ever talking to you on vox or flying with ya, so I can see why I would be an anonymous individual, to those who do know me around a GV camp, I tend to have conversations with people all day.
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I don't understand the lying about being a fighter pilot to begin with. What were you trying to prove? Actually, don't answer that as my care-o-meter is not even registering on this topic...on to the next thread
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I don't recall ever talking to you on vox or flying with ya, so I can see why I would be an anonymous individual, to those who do know me around a GV camp, I tend to have conversations with people all day.
i believe you actually met him yesterday when you were with the 20th on vox but i may be mistaken... :headscratch:
The lie would have been worse if it was more on a personal level or affecting others in my opinion. I see no harm in this unless this was to say you were adonai and not butcher and you really were butcher.. brain... melting... AGH! :bolt: :noid
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i believe you actually met him yesterday when you were with the 20th on vox but i may be mistaken... :headscratch:
The lie would have been worse if it was more on a personal level or affecting others in my opinion. I see no harm in this unless this was to say you were adonai and not butcher and you really were butcher.. brain... melting... AGH! :bolt: :noid
you talk like thats a hard thing to do :devil :bolt:
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I want to say I made a mistake a few years back, given over 3 years ago I made the claim I was a pilot in the marine corp that flew Fa-18s. This is completely untrue. In all honesty I never served in the marine corps period, and I was never in fact a military pilot. I spoken to someone tonight I feel I respect quite dearly which was Ink from the army of muppets, and although I did try to apologize over the years I did not make it formal, in another words to people I felt were in my opinion desired. What I did was completely selfish, and I absolutely do not wish for sympathy from anyone.
My biggest sorrow is I am nothing more than a Liar, and I will deeply regret what I have done.
Callsign Adonai, aka Butcher
People like you are why the Stolen Valor Act was created. While you probably havent tried to wear a uniform or anything like that, I still dont see the need to pat you on the back for telling the truth. You got busted plain and simple, and I along with many others never believed you in the first place. "Pretending" to be in the Armed Forces is about as low as a person can get.
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<S> Adonai :salute
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People like you are why the Stolen Valor Act was created. While you probably havent tried to wear a uniform or anything like that, I still dont see the need to pat you on the back for telling the truth. You got busted plain and simple, and I along with many others never believed you in the first place. "Pretending" to be in the Armed Forces is about as low as a person can get.
He owned up to it, regrets his foolish and disrespectful lies, and asked for forgiveness. WTF else do you want from him? If you want to be bitter and not forgive and forget, at least don't trample on his thread where he gave his humble apologies.
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He owned up to it, regrets his foolish and disrespectful lies, and asked for forgiveness. WTF else do you want from him? If you want to be bitter and not forgive and forget, at least don't trample on his thread where he gave his humble apologies.
damn...you been busting my chops and now i feel i must agree with you in that statement...the end of the world must be near. :confused:
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Nothing. I voiced my opinion.
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One short post isn't trampling, and this thread wouldn't be worth reading through if everyone's only allowed to post variations of, "It's cool, bro, don't do it again."
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You can remove the hat of a liar, but the mark will always remain. While I give him :aok for coming clean, it is a very small step in being trusted. From here out, let him prove his actions. The fact he lied up until this little post counts for alot more than the initial lie because it's like this: Are you sorry for your actions, or sorry because you were caught? It's hard to believe the former because the action seems, by your own admission, to fall more in line with the latter.
Time tells all.
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That takes guts, I should know, I'm Bud Anderson. :)
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It doesn't really matter to me if he apologizes or not, in the end, the only person anyone can really lie to in Aces High is themselves.
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It doesn't really matter to me if he apologizes or not, in the end, the only person anyone can really lie to in Aces High is themselves.
:aok
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I think it took guts to face the truth....no matter the reason.
he messed up, and knows it. and now is trying to make emends, I applaud those willing to forgive.
he obviously enjoys the AH community, and the friendships that comes with it, and doesn't want to ruin it anymore then he has.
it is human to err, it is divine to forgive.
:salute Butcher....I hope you and every one else can put this behind.
Paul
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well i've only known him as Butcher sense ive seen him ingame seems like a real good guy to me, didnt know his past and really no need to know it now. :salute
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He owned up to it, regrets his foolish and disrespectful lies, and asked for forgiveness. WTF else do you want from him? If you want to be bitter and not forgive and forget, at least don't trample on his thread where he gave his humble apologies.
So it's ok for everyone to come in here and pat him on the back and make him feel all warm and fuzzy inside, but not tell him what a retard he is for doing it?
Considering someone else pointed out that he is still pulling the same BS by claiming to be new to the game when he came back as Butcher I dont think he deserves a pat on the back at all. He apologized for the 3 year old lie, not the 3 month old lie.
He's the guy who challenges people to duels and says he's only played for a month. Why? What do you get out of that?
Just out of curiosity, didnt you fly with WOT? Did they know your little secret?
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I for one was devastated to learn of this treachery! That was sarcasm by the way. Who really cares if he lied about being an F-18 pilot? Does it hurt that much? I don't think it matters he apologized or not, it's not that big a deal. I think the trolls around here cause more problems then that!
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Do people really believe 1/2 of what they hear on this game? UNTIL the meet that player in person?????
:aok
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Lesson learned hopefully.
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Just out of curiosity, didnt you fly with WOT? Did they know your little secret?
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So it's ok for everyone to come in here and pat him on the back and make him feel all warm and fuzzy inside, but not tell him what a retard he is for doing it?
He already knows what folks think of him. He even stated it himself. There's no faulting you for missing that though.
I don't think he was looking for pats on the back. I think he was wanting to clear his own conscience.
Any "pats on the back" here are for what he is doing now.... not what he did in the past.
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Say what you will but all anyone can do is apologize butcher is a great guy to talk to and fly with we in 367th glad to call him a friend. Everyone makes mistakes How you own up to it defines you.
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didnt know his past and really no need to know it now. :salute
Pretty much. Seems like a ploy for attention given the need to set up a background story for "Butcher". You can can get away with a lot here by just changing your name and moving on from it.
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You can remove the hat of a liar, but the mark will always remain. While I give him :aok for coming clean, it is a very small step in being trusted. From here out, let him prove his actions. The fact he lied up until this little post counts for alot more than the initial lie because it's like this: Are you sorry for your actions, or sorry because you were caught? It's hard to believe the former because the action seems, by your own admission, to fall more in line with the latter.
Time tells all.
:aok
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I wouldn't normally quote Nietzsche but I ran across this today and it seems apropos.
"I'm not upset that you lied to me, I'm upset that from now on I can't believe you"
- Friedrich Nietzsche
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He read the SUgar Ray Leonard bio and decided it was his turn to let out his dirty secrets
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People like you are why the Stolen Valor Act was created. While you probably havent tried to wear a uniform or anything like that, I still dont see the need to pat you on the back for telling the truth. You got busted plain and simple, and I along with many others never believed you in the first place. "Pretending" to be in the Armed Forces is about as low as a person can get.
Actually this has nothing to do with the Stolen Valor Act, and is not what it was designed to do. Please feel free to look up the wording of the act if you want factual information on this act.
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I want to say I made a mistake a few years back, given over 3 years ago I made the claim I was a pilot in the marine corp that flew Fa-18s. This is completely untrue. In all honesty I never served in the marine corps period, and I was never in fact a military pilot. I spoken to someone tonight I feel I respect quite dearly which was Ink from the army of muppets, and although I did try to apologize over the years I did not make it formal, in another words to people I felt were in my opinion desired. What I did was completely selfish, and I absolutely do not wish for sympathy from anyone.
My biggest sorrow is I am nothing more than a Liar, and I will deeply regret what I have done.
Callsign Adonai, aka Butcher
Oh yeah, I remember that..we all knew it wasn't true..LOL
Parker
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Butcher (Adonai) your jet thread was awesome! Everyone knew it was B.S. yet you fought on. It was like watching animal planet to see the orcas toss a seal around before eating it. :banana: Every time I was around you in the MA you were great to fly with. You are setting a standard here! Next thing you know ASSI will be begging for forgiveness to get his BBS account back. :devil
:salute Adonai
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Welcome back Adonai :salute Good to have you back
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I am still trying to recover from this. I cannot believe that some one in this game is not really what he said he was :O
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I am still trying to recover from this. I cannot believe that some one in this game is not really what he said he was :O
im still recovering from the fact that it's actually adonai :noid
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And we wonder why God has to kill kittens......
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He already knows what folks think of him. He even stated it himself. There's no faulting you for missing that though.
I don't think he was looking for pats on the back. I think he was wanting to clear his own conscience.
Any "pats on the back" here are for what he is doing now.... not what he did in the past.
I missed nothing. He deserves to take the bad with the good. And if he wants forgiveness so bad then perhaps he should stop lying about not having played the game before as well. Seems to be a pattern here.
Pretty much. Seems like a ploy for attention given the need to set up a background story for "Butcher". You can can get away with a lot here by just changing your name and moving on from it.
I also tend to believe this is the reason for the post.
Anyone can say I'm sorry, especially on the internet, it's proving it that's the hard part.
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Anyone can say I'm sorry, especially on the internet, it's proving it that's the hard part.
So what would you have him do to prove it?
- oldman (now that I think of it, the stables do need cleaning)
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So what would you have him do to prove it?
This oughta' do...
Butcher, you have to join the Corps and fly F/A-18's, that's the only way to make up for it.
:D
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hey fly over here where I can shoot at ya...... :devil :aok :bolt:
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So what would you have him do to prove it?
- oldman (now that I think of it, the stables do need cleaning)
I would stick him in the AvA for a month as punishment :rofl Muahahahahahaah
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I would stick him in the AvA for a month as punishment :rofl Muahahahahahaah
:rofl
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Actually this has nothing to do with the Stolen Valor Act, and is not what it was designed to do. Please feel free to look up the wording of the act if you want factual information on this act.
And besides it was found to be unconstitutional by the U.S. Court of Appeals.
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I want to say I made a mistake a few years back, given over 3 years ago I made the claim I was a pilot in the marine corp that flew Fa-18s. This is completely untrue. In all honesty I never served in the marine corps period, and I was never in fact a military pilot. I spoken to someone tonight I feel I respect quite dearly which was Ink from the army of muppets, and although I did try to apologize over the years I did not make it formal, in another words to people I felt were in my opinion desired. What I did was completely selfish, and I absolutely do not wish for sympathy from anyone.
My biggest sorrow is I am nothing more than a Liar, and I will deeply regret what I have done.
Callsign Adonai, aka Butcher
Do not call that a mistake. Thats what politicians do.
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Just out of curiosity, didnt you fly with WOT? Did they know your little secret?
I just liked hearing him say "I sure do like them French Fried Taters Mmmm Hmm"
His Voice is dead on Karl Childers (Billy Bob Thornton) from Sling Blade :aok :rofl
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Wait! You mean Adonai is not an F-18 pilot? I thought he was on deployment and therefore absent from the game. Another one of my heroes is dead today. :cry If someone tells me Ack-Ack isn't really a mailboy at a software company I'm going to pwn myself.
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"It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man."
Jack Handey
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"It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man."
Jack Handey
Sunbat is actually related to jack handey.
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New voss shade :noid
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(http://the-american-catholic.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/loser.jpg)
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,310422.msg4016313.html#msg4016313
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It is good to apologize for lying only if you never lie again. Remember that.
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Way to go for fessing up :aok
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This thread has made me look long and hard at myself.
And it made me hot.
But I must admit to a lie.
I told everyone that my measurements were 36 24 36.
That was a lie.
They are actually 34 24 35.
I feel better now. Can you forgive me?
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I think I just got wood :uhoh
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This thread has made me look long and hard at myself.
And it made me hot.
But I must admit to a lie.
I told everyone that my measurements were 36 24 36.
That was a lie.
They are actually 34 24 35.
I feel better now. Can you forgive me?
SHAMELESS TROLLOP!!!!!
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This thread has made me look long and hard at myself.
And it made me hot.
But I must admit to a lie.
I told everyone that my measurements were 36 24 36.
That was a lie.
They are actually 34 24 35.
I feel better now. Can you forgive me?
Only ifluff'n you posts up teh NEKKID pictures!! :x
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Sorry just wanted to bump this...
There hasn't been enough ridicule in my opinion...
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I can think of worse things a person could do than claiming they're something they're not on the internet. Possibly you let a few people down if they believed you. It's not like you stole from them or harmed their family. The only person you hurt was yourself and you'll probably suffer a barb or two here and there from some people. It takes guts to fess up to something like that especially in an environment like this. Welcome back to honesty and good luck in the future.
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YOU FLY F-18's?!?!?! jk :salute takes guts to do that.
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Wait! You mean Adonai is not an F-18 pilot? I thought he was on deployment and therefore absent from the game. Another one of my heroes is dead today. :cry If someone tells me Ack-Ack isn't really a mailboy at a software company I'm going to pwn myself.
He knows someone who knows someone who slept with the mailboy.
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I can think of worse things a person could do than claiming they're something they're not on the internet. Possibly you let a few people down if they believed you. It's not like you stole from them or harmed their family. The only person you hurt was yourself and you'll probably suffer a barb or two here and there from some people. It takes guts to fess up to something like that especially in an environment like this. Welcome back to honesty and good luck in the future.
But I only exaggerated a few inches..........
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The journey of 1000 miles begins with 1 footstep :salute Adonai i hope this journey is a better one. Welcome back :aok
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Nicely done. We all have our moments. Its all good. :salute
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I was a chief petty officer in the Navy...and that's the truth. But what's really important isn't who really gives a cr*p, it's my pension check and tri care.
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I was a chief petty officer in the Navy...and that's the truth. But what's really important isn't who really gives a cr*p, it's my pension check and tri care.
Thanks for serving!