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Title: low frame rates 6970
Post by: zack1234 on June 18, 2011, 12:21:47 PM
Just bought xfx radeon hd 6970 its plays 60 fps on rise of flight and call of duty, when i goto into aces high it defaults to 24 frames and mouse cursor is slow :uhoh

any ideas?
Title: Re: low frame rates 6970
Post by: TequilaChaser on June 18, 2011, 12:34:15 PM
what resolution you running?

what shadow texture size you using?

are you using the drivers from the CD or XFX website? which is currently 11.5 for XFX cards ( CCC  & display driver )

what CPU, Memory & OS are you using ( can it push the card??? )

I also have an XFX card, except it is the 6870 1 Gig GDDR5 version with 2 cooling fans...... I just updated my drivers with the AMD/ATI 11.6 reference drivers and got better performance than I got with the 11.5's..... that XFX loaded from their support website



TC
Title: Re: low frame rates 6970
Post by: Bizman on June 18, 2011, 02:10:42 PM
Without any other specs of yuor rig, a couple of things come into mind:

Is your processor capable to feed your new card?

Same about your power supply.
Title: Re: low frame rates 6970
Post by: zack1234 on June 18, 2011, 02:11:56 PM
thanks tequila :aoi switched over to DVI from HDMI and loaded new drivers from ATI site 60fsp everything on.

i have not downloaded CCC would you advise me to download it?

SyncMaster TV/Monitor max 60fsp at 1920/1080 :aok
Title: Re: low frame rates 6970
Post by: Debrody on June 19, 2011, 05:25:15 AM
i have not downloaded CCC would you advise me to download it?
yes, many useful settings to play with. Maybe wont be as much effect with AH but for other games with way more advanced graphics it helps you a LOT.
Title: Re: low frame rates 6970
Post by: zack1234 on June 19, 2011, 05:31:43 AM
Been looking at the overclocking feature in CCC and views on doing this?
Title: Re: low frame rates 6970
Post by: Debrody on June 19, 2011, 07:28:43 AM
Heck what you cant run with the best single gpu ever??
If you wanna oveclock, try the RiveTuner. The CCCs oc feature is very limited.
Title: Re: low frame rates 6970
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on June 19, 2011, 08:04:40 AM
Been looking at the overclocking feature in CCC and views on doing this?

If you're not running high-end sandy bridge system, your graphics card is CPU limited and overclocking won't achieve anything.
Title: Re: low frame rates 6970
Post by: zack1234 on June 19, 2011, 10:10:59 AM
lol everything maxed out :)

just interested best leave alone if alright :aok
Title: Re: low frame rates 6970
Post by: Rob52240 on June 19, 2011, 10:21:19 AM
Doesn't hurt to download updated drivers for the videocard.
Title: Re: low frame rates 6970
Post by: 715 on June 19, 2011, 11:26:05 AM
Is it always exactly 24 fps in AH no matter what?  That sounds like some HD movie frame rate setting.  If so, try checking Disable Vsync in AH Video Options.  If the fps goes way up then it's not a performance issue it's some kind of weird configuration issue.  Don't forget to uncheck Disable Vsync again, it's bad to run with that on.
Title: Re: low frame rates 6970
Post by: TequilaChaser on June 19, 2011, 11:44:34 AM
Heya 715,

zack got it figured out..... his monitor was connected via HDMI when showing 24 fps ..... once he connected thru DVI it gave him his max 60 fps @ 1920 x 1080 screen res

he is happy and is able to have all graphics maxed out, without any issues now from what I can cypher out of his posts/replys


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TC
Title: Re: low frame rates 6970
Post by: zack1234 on June 19, 2011, 03:14:57 PM
Heya 715,



he is happy and is able to have all graphics maxed out, without any issues now from what I can cypher out of his posts/replys


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TC

Cypher :rofl  I know  :banana: <S>
Title: Re: low frame rates 6970
Post by: 715 on June 19, 2011, 11:50:46 PM
Heya 715,

zack got it figured out..... his monitor was connected via HDMI when showing 24 fps ..... once he connected thru DVI it gave him his max 60 fps @ 1920 x 1080 screen res

he is happy and is able to have all graphics maxed out, without any issues now from what I can cypher out of his posts/replys


<S>

TC

Yikes, how did I miss that?  Old age isn't pretty. 
Title: Re: low frame rates 6970
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on June 20, 2011, 12:31:53 AM
Heya 715,

zack got it figured out..... his monitor was connected via HDMI when showing 24 fps ..... once he connected thru DVI it gave him his max 60 fps @ 1920 x 1080 screen res

he is happy and is able to have all graphics maxed out, without any issues now from what I can cypher out of his posts/replys


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TC

This actually hints to the direction of being in some 'movie' mode with 24fps, HDMI sucks for gaming. There's just too many unpredictable automations that can and usually will go wrong due to slight differences in standards and the fact TVs are not really meant to be computer monitors.
Title: Re: low frame rates 6970
Post by: zack1234 on June 20, 2011, 03:58:56 AM
wife ack determined that it should be a Samsung SyncMasterP2270HD :old:


Once its working its very nice, if it were a dedicated monitor i guess it would be plug in and go :)

I have spent enough on bits for my PC i think i will go into the garden and lie down for a bit :)
Title: Re: low frame rates 6970
Post by: Debrody on June 20, 2011, 05:15:27 AM
Sorry for the hijack, but have you ever tryed to plug in 3 monitors at once? (eyefinity)
Title: Re: low frame rates 6970
Post by: Krusty on June 21, 2011, 10:18:56 AM
He said he changed to DVI but also said he updated drivers. I think THAT is the real culprit there.

I have a 6970 and have 3 monitors at once, Debrody. One of them is very old and maxes out at 1042x768 resolution, so when I tested it in games I had to limit it to that 768 vertical resolution and "dumb down" the others.

The physical sizes also made it difficult to game that way, because lines didn't match up left to right.

If you have 3 same sized monitors (i.e. 1280x1024) I think you'd have no problems with just 1 of these 6970s. You also have the option to crossfire, adding more power later. That's my intent some time from now, once games get that far ahead in requirements, I'll stick another card in there.


I had to get 2 passive mini-DP adapters, but I grabbed two Apple-brand adapters off of amazon and they work just fine. The third (middle, primary) monitor is DVI.

EDIT: Here's a video of 3-monitor eyefinity testing. All textures and details were maxed, FSAA was at least 4x, aniso was 4x or 8x or so. FPS running FRAPS live was still good.
http://www.vimeo.com/24755432
Title: Re: low frame rates 6970
Post by: Debrody on June 21, 2011, 11:47:07 AM
c, i have a hd5830, 2*dvi and a hdmi output, but my monitors only have dvi and vga input connectors. Is there any existing hdmi->dvi or hdmi->vga converter?
//nm, found them, but they are all up to 15 bucks   :rolleyes:
Title: Re: low frame rates 6970
Post by: Krusty on June 21, 2011, 12:42:25 PM
A 5830's a low-end card there, I think. It's got less than half the power of a 5870 if I recall some comment I read a while back.

You might struggle to run games with eyefinity on that card.

If you want to do the 3 monitors, I say spend the $15 for the adapter. It's only $15, and a 1-time purchase. HDMI is essentially DVI if I recall comments from Skuzzy, so I would suggest going HDMI -> DVI when you choose an adapter. It would be the better image quality, I think.
Title: Re: low frame rates 6970
Post by: Debrody on June 22, 2011, 02:47:00 AM
well im not planning to play crisis warhead on this card  : )    now with the new 6k series coming, it was cheaper than the 5770 (!). 26K hufs, while the 5870s were all up to 55K hufs (equal to 320 bucks). Prices suck here  : (
Let me see if it can run AH in the triple monitor setup.
Title: Re: low frame rates 6970
Post by: zack1234 on June 22, 2011, 04:01:28 AM
Recently after getting my XFX 6970 i tried both DVI and HDMI and as stated my many HDMI can cause problems.

When using HDMI blocks appeared on B17s when moving rear turret and blocks appeared in Hanger, the picture was very sharp.

When using DVI blocks disappeared and image became a lot smoother :)

I presume HDMI works on a dedicated non TV monitor.

As has been stated before DVI and HDMi are a complicated business :old:
Title: Re: low frame rates 6970
Post by: Krusty on June 22, 2011, 09:08:39 AM
Let me see if it can run AH in the triple monitor setup.

I think it will, but I think you will have to lower your quality.
Title: Re: low frame rates 6970
Post by: zack1234 on June 22, 2011, 10:38:21 AM
My Mrs won't let me have three monitors :old: :)
Title: Re: low frame rates 6970
Post by: Krusty on June 22, 2011, 11:15:44 AM
In that case just get one really really wide one.  :D
Title: Re: low frame rates 6970
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on June 22, 2011, 11:41:40 AM
In that case just get one really really wide one.  :D

*hint*

(http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/gadgetlab/2009/06/nec-curved-screen.jpg)
Title: Re: low frame rates 6970
Post by: Tigger29 on June 22, 2011, 04:32:30 PM
A 5830's a low-end card there, I think. It's got less than half the power of a 5870 if I recall some comment I read a while back.

You might struggle to run games with eyefinity on that card.

If you want to do the 3 monitors, I say spend the $15 for the adapter. It's only $15, and a 1-time purchase. HDMI is essentially DVI if I recall comments from Skuzzy, so I would suggest going HDMI -> DVI when you choose an adapter. It would be the better image quality, I think.

IIRC the 5830 performs *slightly* better than a 5770.  I do agree though that for ultra high resolutions and graphics intense games it may be a little low-end for eyefinity.  For the record I have a 5830 and it allows me to see 55-60 FPS virtually all of the time in AH at 1920X1200 resolution with all settings MAXED (including full AA) and the only thing I have turned off is shadows.  I can run 2048 shadow textures smoothly but choose to turn them off because I find them more annoying than anything.

As far as adapters, I bought a DVI to HDMI cable from monoprice awhile back and was using it to hook up a video card that output DVI to a monitor that only inputs HDMI.  It worked flawlessly.  Then I upgraded the video card (to the 5830) which has an HDMI output.  Now I use that same cable to hook up my blu-ray to a DVI connection at my TV.  Again, it works flawlessly.

CLICK HERE (http://www.monoprice.com/products/search.asp?keyword=dvi+hdmi+cable&x=0&y=0) for Monoprice's selection of adapter cables.  They are only a few bucks.

(http://images2.monoprice.com/productmediumimages/26611.jpg) (http://www.monoprice.com/products/search.asp?keyword=dvi+hdmi+cable&x=0&y=0)
Title: Re: low frame rates 6970
Post by: Debrody on June 23, 2011, 01:50:16 AM
Thanks Tigger, i appreciate it, but the shipping would be 10 times more than that cable...
Tryed this card in offline, 1920*1080, maxed out everything but the self shadow, i set that to 4096 + smooth shadow, steady 60fps, 75-90ish without v-sync. 150ish with self-shadowing disabled.
I guess it would be 45-50fps with 3 monitors. A little tuning on the processor pushes it up to 60.
Title: Re: low frame rates 6970
Post by: Krusty on June 23, 2011, 02:04:55 PM
Tigger: Thanks for the comparison. Always good to have a benchmark I can relate to (i.e. Aces High)  :D