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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: oakranger on June 21, 2011, 11:11:09 PM
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Though this would have been posted on AH by now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eebBjs507Yc&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eebBjs507Yc&feature=player_embedded)
Go to the 50 sec mark. :O
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=cc5_1307433924 (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=cc5_1307433924)
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INSANE that must have been 2-3 feet high off the ground at at least 400 MPH! And seeing the people i'm assuming that wasn't standard protocol and I can guess the dude was relieved of his wings. :uhoh
But totally awesome video's :O
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It was quite funny on the cockpit view, seeing the guys on the ground, running for their lives from the path of the Jet.
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It was quite funny on the cockpit view, seeing the guys on the ground, running for their lives from the path of the Jet.
I know Right, which brings me to the question of was he supposed to fly that low? I imagine if he scared those people he wasn't supposed to unless it was planned, idk i'm trying not to sound like Penguin (NO OFFENSE TO YOU AT ALL PENGUIN) with all the logic and questions.
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(http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt118/phatzo/lowjet.jpg)
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Thats a dumb pilot. They should yank his license and court marshall him.
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Thats a dumb pilot. They should yank his license and court marshall him.
But without him we would not have had tonight's midnight entertainment :lol
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But without him we would not have had tonight's midnight entertainment :lol
:lol
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Thats a dumb pilot. They should yank his license and court marshall him.
I'm thinking that is photoshopped as the graphics do not look very realistic. But anyways, your joking, right?
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I'm thinking that is photoshopped as the graphics do not look very realistic. But anyways, your joking, right?
No, I'm not. He could have killed those people.
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No, I'm not. He could have killed those people.
I'm pretty sure they were expecting him. And if they were not, it looks like it was done on an airfield, what were they doing sitting there.
(That is if the image is not photoshopped)
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No, I'm not. He could have killed those people.
You could say the same for just about every other low pass in history.
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You could say the same for just about every other low pass in history.
That guy is less than 3 feet off of the ground, he could have picked some FOD up in his engine, it would have stalled, and then BOOM! Not alot of room for error. Not to mention he could have sucked one of the people into the intake........
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No, I'm not. He could have killed those people.
But he didn't! :lol
I can think of 4 ways which that could have gone wrong at the moment.
1. (http://i.ytimg.com/vi/-I1zmkn-ZGU/0.jpg) Man is quickly sucked into turbine causing total engine failure causing the plane to crash into the tower killing more people.
2. Nose hits a person and is split in 2 or smashed into a zillion pieces.
3. Engine exhaust melts the guys face off.
4. Guy wants a ride and puts his arms up to have them ripped off and he bleeds out while the pilot ejects due to human arms in both intake vents shutting down the engine.
That guy is less than 3 feet off of the ground, he could have picked some FOD up in his engine, it would have stalled, and then BOOM! Not alot of room for error. Not to mention he could have sucked one of the people into the intake........
Number one on my list :noid
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Hey Raptorkid, has anyone recently told you that you're an idiot? 'cuz you are.
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But he didn't! :lol
You think if I were to hop in my plane, and buzz the nearest group of people that line would work? Its not that he didnt, its that what he did was incredibly reckless and stupid.
Hey Raptorkid, has anyone recently told you that you're an idiot? 'cuz you are.
:lol
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That guy is less than 3 feet off of the ground, he could have picked some FOD up in his engine, it would have stalled, and then BOOM! Not alot of room for error. Not to mention he could have sucked one of the people into the intake........
It's not a helicopter, destroying the engine does not make the plane crash, it just makes it's flight a lot shorter.
I'm not saying it's not risky but if you know what your doing it can be done. And as I said before it seems that the people were expecting him, if they agreed to be there (they were not tied up so they agreed) than you can't blame the pilot for what ever happens to them. They knew it was risky, they took the risk, nothing happened, they went home happy.
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You think if I were to hop in my plane, and buzz the nearest group of people that line would work? Its not that he didnt, its that what he did was incredibly reckless and stupid.
Keep in mind that fighter pilots have a bit more experiance and better training that privet pilots ;)
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It's not a helicopter, destroying the engine does not make the plane crash, it just makes it's flight a lot shorter.
That low to the ground, I'm pretty sure a sudden power loss he wouldnt have time to react. It would be over.
Keep in mind that fighter pilots have a bit more experiance and better training that privet pilots ;)
Agreed, but it still doesnt make what he did okay.
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Hey Raptorkid, has anyone recently told you that you're an idiot? 'cuz you are.
Nah I was just being funny, and I know i'm an Idiot, please you give me way to much credit. :rofl
You think if I were to hop in my plane, and buzz the nearest group of people that line would work? Its not that he didnt, its that what he did was incredibly reckless and stupid.
I would hope that you wouldn't, i'm trying to be humerus. What he did goes beyond standard military aviation protocol i'm sure at the very least. I was joking but I agree with everything your saying.
Keep in mind that fighter pilots have a bit more experience and better training that privet pilots ;)
Plus his plane has a prop which is like a lawn mower blade pointed forward destroying anything it touches. But understand his moral point.
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Agreed, but it still doesnt make what he did okay.
You been reading the FAR way too much :)
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You been reading the FAR way too much :)
I know :uhoh
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Why don't we level on he should have been flying about 20 feet higher on that pass if not higher and leave it at that.
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That low to the ground, I'm pretty sure a sudden power loss he wouldnt have time to react. It would be over.
At 300-400mph plus in level flight? I don't think so. He's not flying a Cessna you know.
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At 300-400mph plus in level flight? I don't think so. He's not flying a Cessna you know.
The plane would have shuddered or he might have freaked out not knowing what happened and at the speed its just less time to react. A small tap forward on the stick at 400 MPH would send the plane to china, just think of speed in relation to reaction time and factor in his altitude.
Edit: Also Fighter Jets don't glide at all so a dip of the nose would be likely because of the rapid decrease in speed. One thing I was taught at Warner Robins is that the faster a jet goes(applies to cars also) The less time there is to react if something happens because your going so fast.
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At 300-400mph plus in level flight? I don't think so. He's not flying a Cessna you know.
I know, but when you lose power, your nose tends to dip, and if you nose dips that close to the ground.......
(http://coolpictures1.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Explosion-Pictures.jpg)
I'd like to see what eagl thinks about this
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I know, but when you lose power, your nose tends to dip, and if you nose dips that close to the ground.......
(http://coolpictures1.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Explosion-Pictures.jpg)
I'd like to see what eagl thinks about this
I think considering our combined experience with flying high-tech multi million dollar military aircraft, that this is a pointless argument.
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I know i'm an Idiot
You weren't at last nights meeting
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I think considering our combined experience with flying high-tech multi million dollar military aircraft, that this is a pointless argument.
If the plane was trimmed for 400mph, and the engine lost power, then the plane would take a nose down attitude to maintain 400.........
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If the plane was trimmed for 400mph, and the engine lost power, then the plane would take a nose down attitude to maintain 400.........
Refer to my previous post, if you will.
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You weren't at last nights meeting
I'm not following ;) :rofl
If the plane was trimmed for 400mph, and the engine lost power, then the plane would take a nose down attitude to maintain 400.........
Simple stuff right there, i've taken a few classes on Aerodynamic properties before. And I can be a nerd sometime so I read about stuff like this alot.
Refer to my previous post, if you will.
Your the real Idiot if you can't figure out the simples. When it comes to flying these high tech birds are fairly simple (In my mind at least and don't bring up mechanics or engines or doo dads i'm talking about how they fly) and not to mention Tupac flies his own plane so he would know more than most of us. What goes in a Cessna can also go in a multi million dollar fighter jet, equipment used to fly is sort of the same in regards to what they do.
I think considering our combined experience with flying high-tech multi million dollar military aircraft, that this is a pointless argument.
Your argument is pointless as you know nothing of which your talking about as you probably don't fly actual planes or study them.
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You know that there will be other pilots that will be stupid enough to try to top what that guy did. There will be somebody that will always push it to far.
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You know that there will be other pilots that will be stupid enough to try to top what that guy did. There will be somebody that will always push it to far.
My parents told me a story about that.
When Jack oscar came out they were the only ones who did reckless things. Then years later everyone is doing it and dying over it.
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Refer to my previous post, if you will.
It doesnt matter. The basics are the same. The plane would have flown itself into the ground before he knew what happened. There is usually a 2-3 second WTF factor before you can figure out exactly what happened, and at that altitude you dont have 2-3 seconds.
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It doesnt matter. The basics are the same. The plane would have flown itself into the ground before he knew what happened. There is usually a 2-3 second WTF factor before you can figure out exactly what happened, and at that altitude you dont have 2-3 seconds.
if his nose dips and he felt something on the plane it sure as hell aint gonna take him 2-3 seconds to react. would he have time to react? doubtful, but it qwouldnt be 2-3 seconds for reaction...
take for example your doning something youve been doing your whole life. assuming your in your 30's or 40's and you started at say 10, thats 20 years. your gonna know if something is wrong when you hear / do / see it. not gonna take you long to diagnose and repaiur the problem, is it?
I'm not saying this pilot has been flying for 20 years, he could be fresh out of the Academy, but I'm pretty sure he knows how the plane is supposed to fly, and he trusts himself behind the controls enough to do that.
assuming you watched the cock pit view, he didnt fly FOR the crowd, he flew NEXT to the crowd. as he got close, people scurried away. I know those engines are taking in a lot more air then a human weighs, but the odds of a human being sucked into an intake 10 feet off when the jet is in range for maybe at tops .5 seconds to suck em in, not likely its gonna happen.
im not saying what he did was ok, or right, but the main thing is no one got hurt, the crowd of people got their adrenalin rush, and at the end of the day they could all go home and kiss their wives and kids one more time.
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The Pampas is basically an Argentinian Alpha Jet, a little slower with Garrets instead of the SNECMA engines but
it does have two of them and i think we can safely assume that any pilot feeling or hearing something happen at that
speed and that alt is going for grabitude as quickly as possible.
The assumption that fighter pilots have more experience than other pilots doesn't fly in my experience. The US
probably spends more money in this area than just about anyone and they have been cutting flying time for years.
Or if not cutting it, spending it on other areas of operation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FMA_IA_63_Pampa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FMA_IA_63_Pampa)
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The Pampas is basically an Argentinian Alpha Jet, a little slower with Garrets instead of the SNECMA engines but
it does have two of them and i think we can safely assume that any pilot feeling or hearing something happen at that
speed and that alt is going for grabitude as quickly as possible.
The assumption that fighter pilots have more experience than other pilots doesn't fly in my experience. The US
probably spends more money in this area than just about anyone and they have been cutting flying time for years.
Or if not cutting it, spending it on other areas of operation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FMA_IA_63_Pampa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FMA_IA_63_Pampa)
Is that the same jet that was in one of the James Bond movies?
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You been reading the FAR way too much Smiley
God i hate the FAR about as much as i hate the AIM they both make for extremely boring reading.
I'd like to see what eagl thinks about this
Your not talking about ME eagle right??
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The Pampas is basically an Argentinian Alpha Jet, a little slower with Garrets instead of the SNECMA engines but
it does have two of them and i think we can safely assume that any pilot feeling or hearing something happen at that
speed and that alt is going for grabitude as quickly as possible.
The assumption that fighter pilots have more experience than other pilots doesn't fly in my experience. The US
probably spends more money in this area than just about anyone and they have been cutting flying time for years.
Or if not cutting it, spending it on other areas of operation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FMA_IA_63_Pampa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FMA_IA_63_Pampa)
Rino it says it only has 1 engine. It has 2 intakes, but only 1 engine.
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Low passes like this are just stupid, and this one was particularly dangerous. Not only are there literally thousands of things that could go wrong, some of those things HAVE gone wrong in the past leading to fairly horrible results. The USAF is saddled with hundreds of "dumb" rules restricting flying activities that are the direct result of past pilots doing things that are so stupid that a rule had to be made prohibiting a repeat occurrence. This guy came within a couple of feet of killing about a dozen people. If one person hadn't ducked at the right time, it would have been the end.
The list of pilots who augered while doing unauthorized low altitude aerobatics over their house or neighborhood is much longer than you'd think...
On the vid you can see one spectator had to run to the right instead of to the left with everyone else. That was pretty close to being a disaster. I recall a recent video where a light aircraft pilot hit someone in the head with the wing during an airshow stunt, and that was at maybe 50 kts. This video is probably the closest thing to a mishap as you'll ever see.
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If it's a privately owned plane and everyone was expecting what happened then I have no problems with it.
If it's a military plane (which it obviously is) I agree. I think the pilot should be court marshaled. You don't take unnecessary chances like that with multi-million dollar pieces of equipment. This was nothing more than showing off and playing around, REGARDLESS of the skill level of the pilot. I don't know about that country but here in the US they have organized events for the aircraft to be shown off in a much safer, organized environment of an air show. Period.
No matter how impressive that video footage is... there's no excuse for it. Period.
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You think he would be under radar there in AH?
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If it's a privately owned plane and everyone was expecting what happened then I have no problems with it.
If it's a military plane (which it obviously is) I agree. I think the pilot should be court marshaled. You don't take unnecessary chances like that with multi-million dollar pieces of equipment. This was nothing more than showing off and playing around, REGARDLESS of the skill level of the pilot. I don't know about that country but here in the US they have organized events for the aircraft to be shown off in a much safer, organized environment of an air show. Period.
No matter how impressive that video footage is... there's no excuse for it. Period.
what makes you think they werent expecting it even with it being military? they had a camera ready for it, so obviously they knew it was going to happen.
We did something sort of like this with our C-123K. Only for a photoshoot for a movie or something along those lines. We got a lot closer than we planned on. Thats a distance of a bout only 2-3ft if that. Also it went right over the car, its not an allusion.
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd320/flightsimer/DSC03694.jpg)
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Is that the same jet that was in one of the James Bond movies?
Nope, that was a BD-5 jet..much smaller.
(http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/planes/bd5j/bd5j-1.jpg)
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Rino it says it only has 1 engine. It has 2 intakes, but only 1 engine.
Oops, my bad..the original Dornier Alpha jet has 2 engines. I just naturally assumed they would replace
them with 2. Nice catch :D
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Nope, that was a BD-5 jet..much smaller.
(http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/planes/bd5j/bd5j-1.jpg)
Do they sell those?
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You think he would be under radar there in AH?
Only after he passed the runway and up 'til avoiding tipping the hat off the 4'10" Argentinian reporter. The rest was high enough to even register on bar dar. Clearly an inexperienced AH NOE jock.
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So you thought that was bad, check out this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D30oGBj08Vs&feature=player_embedded
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Nope, that was a BD-5 jet..much smaller.
(http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/planes/bd5j/bd5j-1.jpg)
No, it was one of Pierce Brosnan era. that one is from Roger Moore era.
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So you thought that was bad, check out this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D30oGBj08Vs&feature=player_embedded
Good freakin god, drunk people, better they do kill themselves then risk the life's of others
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No, it was one of Pierce Brosnan era. that one is from Roger Moore era.
no that would be an L-39 Albatros
f22, the BeeDee company no longer exists, however, you will see them from time to time on ebay or other sites as partially completed projects. There are only a few still flying with only one that i know of on the air show circuit. If you are taller than 5'10", you can fly it anyways.
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Do they sell those?
In a kit
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You weren't at last nights meeting
:rofl :rofl :aok mate!
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Do they sell those?
I've only seen one in the past 30 years, so I don't know. I do remember it was being powered by
a Dassault DA-20 Falcon APU engine with an exhaust nozzle. Also the endurance was nothing to brag
about.
http://www.bd5.com/ (http://www.bd5.com/)
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Only after he passed the runway and up 'til avoiding tipping the hat off the 4'10" Argentinian reporter. The rest was high enough to even register on bar dar. Clearly an inexperienced AH NOE jock.
:lol
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no that would be an L-39 Albatros
f22, the BeeDee company no longer exists, however, you will see them from time to time on ebay or other sites as partially completed projects. There are only a few still flying with only one that i know of on the air show circuit. If you are taller than 5'10", you can fly it anyways.
OK, that is it. L-39
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No, I'm not. He could have killed those people.
He wasn't buzzing a family picnic.
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I bet more than one of the spectators had wider tracks in their drawers than the one the jet wash left on the grass.
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this is one of those paradox vids.
where, if the guy succesfully pulls the trick off, most people are like "cool!" and tell the people who say its dangerous to lighten up.
but if that pilot had fed-up, then everyone would of labeled him a maniac and said he never should of had his wings in the first place.
my opinion: is it cool? absolutly, but should it of been done? absolutly not. doing things like that is tempting death. and like they say, you can only nock on deaths door so many times before someone finally answers.
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So you thought that was bad, check out this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D30oGBj08Vs&feature=player_embedded
nice :cool:
But I would not want to be that guy on foot.
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That guy is less than 3 feet off of the ground, he could have picked some FOD up in his engine, it would have stalled, and then BOOM! Not alot of room for error. Not to mention he could have sucked one of the people into the intake........
Think for a moment here. He isn't going to suck anything up off the ground at those speeds.
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Put me in the camp of "that was extremely dangerous and stupid, and he should face disciplinary action". Aviation is inherently dangerous, we make it safe by doing all we can to mitigate the risks, a low pass like that throws out all the cautions just to show off. So many things could have gone wrong, so close to literally killing people for no reason, that pilot lacks the judgement to be in command of an aircraft.
Reminds me of the old aviation maxim, "there are old pilots, and there are bold pilots, but there are no old bold pilots".
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Put me in the camp of "that was extremely dangerous and stupid, and he should face disciplinary action". Aviation is inherently dangerous, we make it safe by doing all we can to mitigate the risks, a low pass like that throws out all the cautions just to show off. So many things could have gone wrong, so close to literally killing people for no reason, that pilot lacks the judgement to be in command of an aircraft.
Richard Bong was reprimanded for low flying and IIRC correctly looping around the Golden Gate bridge. Thank god for pilots who "lack judgement".
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Richard Bong was reprimanded for low flying and IIRC correctly looping around the Golden Gate bridge. Thank god for pilots who "lack judgement".
Not even a close comparison for so many reasons.
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:O