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Title: M.S. 406
Post by: iron650 on June 22, 2011, 04:02:52 PM
The French fighter was in the Fall of France. The plane was outclassed by the 109E. The plane was used in 11 squads and was the most produced plane before the Armistice. In 1940, 387 were lost for 187.


Specs:

Crew: 1
Length: 26ft 9in
Wingspan: 34ft 10in
Height: 8ft 10in
Wing Area: 184.06 feet squared
Empty weight: 4,173lbs
Loaded weight: 5,348lbs
Engine: 1 Hispano-Suiza 12Y31 liquid-cooled V-12, 860 hp
Max speed: 303mph 16,400ft
Range: 620mi
Rate of climb: 2,560ft

Armament:
1 20mm Hispano-Suiza HS.404 cannon
2 7.5mm MAC 1934 machine guns

(http://www3.telus.net/murrdaka/images/MS406_Vichy_200.JPG)

The M.S. 406 would be an interesting addition. It would help to make a Fall of France Scenario.
Title: Re: M.S. 406
Post by: Shane on June 22, 2011, 04:38:30 PM
The M.S. 406 would be an interesting addition. It would help to make a Fall of France Scenario.

A Fall of France "Scenario?"  You mean a "Snap Shot", right?   :noid :bolt:
Title: Re: M.S. 406
Post by: iron650 on June 22, 2011, 04:42:13 PM
Yes
Title: Re: M.S. 406
Post by: Babalonian on June 22, 2011, 05:28:22 PM
+1

A Fall of France "Scenario?"  You mean a "Snap Shot", right?   :noid :bolt:

Zing!   :rofl
Title: Re: M.S. 406
Post by: Volron on June 22, 2011, 07:37:26 PM
Could do FSO revolving around the Fall of France, if we had the planes that is.
Title: Re: M.S. 406
Post by: Noir on June 23, 2011, 06:17:36 AM
+1  :aok

Dewoitine D520 also, which was a bit more competitive.
Title: Re: M.S. 406
Post by: alpini13 on June 23, 2011, 10:37:41 PM
it would be cool,i would not fly it,i dont know where the compartment is for the white flag on these was.
Title: Re: M.S. 406
Post by: icepac on June 23, 2011, 10:57:15 PM
I like the d520 and the HS404 is what evolved into the cannons we have in the tempests, typhoons...etc.
Title: Re: M.S. 406
Post by: Noir on June 24, 2011, 05:39:51 AM
it would be cool,i would not fly it,i dont know where the compartment is for the white flag on these was.

I find that amusing coming from an italian.
Title: Re: M.S. 406
Post by: SmokinLoon on June 24, 2011, 10:04:45 AM
A Fall of France "Scenario?"  You mean a "Snap Shot", right?   :noid :bolt:

Hardly.  If the scenario is played out as if the French government actually let the French military do their thing, ya know like defend France, the Germans would have had their reality check then, and not in 1944.

Contrary to populist beliefs, the French military was quite an able force.  Quite capable aircraft, better armored and armed tanks, more troops (and no less capable than German troops), good artillery, a powerful navy (not sure of comparisons vs German navy).  Etc. 

The sooner people learn to sepertate the French military and the French government, AND learn why the Fench lost they will stop making fools of themselves when they knee-jerk the French/surrender jokes.     
Title: Re: M.S. 406
Post by: bortas1 on June 24, 2011, 06:19:07 PM
Hardly.  If the scenario is played out as if the French government actually let the French military do their thing, ya know like defend France, the Germans would have had their reality check then, and not in 1944.

Contrary to populist beliefs, the French military was quite an able force.  Quite capable aircraft, better armored and armed tanks, more troops (and no less capable than German troops), good artillery, a powerful navy (not sure of comparisons vs German navy).  Etc. 

The sooner people learn to sepertate the French military and the French government, AND learn why the Fench lost they will stop making fools of themselves when they knee-jerk the French/surrender jokes.     
that include the italians?  :salute  :headscratch:
Title: Re: M.S. 406
Post by: Scotty55OEFVet on June 24, 2011, 09:29:40 PM
Loon, I will back you up on this 100%. I have read many many WW2 Books and after all of my reads have come to that same conclusion. The French Military was ready at every point in the Blitzkrieg that took France and the Low Countries and, at times, able to push the Germans back or put the fear of GOD into them with their powerful flank attacks etc. At no point di I ever read (or hear on any documentary) about French Troops abandoning Positions or "running" unless they were completely out of ammo or overrun, etc. On the other hand, the French Government was so quick to leave Paris that Churchill made 3 different trips there to convince them to fight on. I could go on about this but you get the general Idea. And wasnt the aircraft the Dewoitine D.520???
Title: Re: M.S. 406
Post by: Karnak on June 24, 2011, 11:01:21 PM
In the three week Battle of France, 100,000 French soldiers died for France and not a single French unit broke and ran or broke and surrendered.  You do not suffer 100,000 dead in three weeks of fighting without fighting and fighting hard.  The French soldiers of WWII do not need to hang their heads in shame, nor do they need to stand behind any American, Commonwealth or Russian soldier.
Title: Re: M.S. 406
Post by: iron650 on June 25, 2011, 06:54:19 AM
The D.520 was used to replace the M.S.406 but didn't completely. Only 5 Fighter Groups were armed and 3 Naval groups. The D.520 would make an interesting addition with the M.S.406. The Vichy French used both planes.
Title: Re: M.S. 406
Post by: icepac on June 25, 2011, 11:19:02 AM
In Axis VS Allies, you could have the D520 on both sides.
Title: Re: M.S. 406
Post by: iron650 on June 25, 2011, 02:20:57 PM
Also, the MS406. Beware of friendly fire!
Title: Re: M.S. 406
Post by: Scotty55OEFVet on June 25, 2011, 02:52:03 PM
The D.520 was used to replace the M.S.406 but didn't completely. Only 5 Fighter Groups were armed and 3 Naval groups. The D.520 would make an interesting addition with the M.S.406. The Vichy French used both planes.

AH, that I did not know...ty!
 :salute
Title: Re: M.S. 406
Post by: Scotty55OEFVet on June 25, 2011, 02:53:41 PM
In the three week Battle of France, 100,000 French soldiers died for France and not a single French unit broke and ran or broke and surrendered.  You do not suffer 100,000 dead in three weeks of fighting without fighting and fighting hard.  The French soldiers of WWII do not need to hang their heads in shame, nor do they need to stand behind any American, Commonwealth or Russian soldier.

Very true...know I posted above this one, but I will say this, I have...on occasion made my French Army Jokes before I really started reading up on WW2 when I was 14 or 15 and as I learned more and more and heard about the courage of the French Army in WW2, I shut up real quick. <S>