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Title: Resource for Aircraft Component Weights
Post by: Stoney on June 25, 2011, 10:06:24 AM

Gents,

Anyone have any documentation or resources that lists the overall weights of various aircraft components.  For example, a list of the P-51 that shows the weights of the wing, landing gear, engine, horizontal stab, etc.?  I suppose Weight and Balance sheets would have this, but I've only seen a few, and most aren't very detailed.  Any aircraft will do. 

Title: Re: Resource for Aircraft Component Weights
Post by: Scherf on June 25, 2011, 11:39:20 PM

I put something like that on the AH Wiki for the Mossie VI - think I mis-named it CG table. Is in two parts. Also have it (somewhere...) for the IX and the II too as well if you like, PM me.

Title: Re: Resource for Aircraft Component Weights
Post by: badhorse on June 26, 2011, 12:09:24 AM

I doubt if you will find what you are looking for in an airplanes weight and balance paperwork. This is for making sure your airplane is within its CG envelope after it has been loaded with fuel, baggage, crew and passengers. The airplane's empty weight already includes the stuff you are looking for.
For the type of detailed info you are looking for I would contact the manufacturer or in the case of those airplanes where the manufacturer can not be contacted, you might try contacting a company that specializes in rebuilding those types of aircraft.

Title: Re: Resource for Aircraft Component Weights
Post by: Scherf on June 26, 2011, 12:55:53 AM

Yeah, had a look at my table, it's "Removable items", engines etc not there.

Title: Re: Resource for Aircraft Component Weights
Post by: wells on June 26, 2011, 03:41:30 PM

America's Hundred Thousand

has this information for US planes, anyway

Title: Re: Resource for Aircraft Component Weights
Post by: Stoney on June 26, 2011, 06:12:01 PM

Quote from: wells on June 26, 2011, 03:41:30 PM

America's Hundred Thousand

has this information for US planes, anyway

Thanks.  I forgot that was in there.  Those numbers will do nicely.

Title: Re: Resource for Aircraft Component Weights
Post by: dtango on June 26, 2011, 08:32:29 PM

wells!!!  Long time no see :).  Good to see you posting!!

Sorry for the hijack Stoney :).

Title: Re: Resource for Aircraft Component Weights
Post by: wells on June 26, 2011, 09:40:33 PM

Data for the FW-190A-8 from the English translation of the manual, technical description No. 284

Airframe weight:  1225 kg composed of 55.8% dural, 36.6% Steel, 4.3% Rubber and plastic, 3.3% wood

Fuselage  345.2 kg
Undercarriage  258.3 kg
Control Surfaces  120.8 kg
Flight Controls  32.3 kg
Wing assembly  475 kg
Powerplant  1661.3 kg
Standard equipment  248.1 kg
Permanent accessories  27.4 kg
Additional accessories  319.3 kg
Paint  2.0 kg

Empty Weight  3489.7 kg

Pilot, parachute, flying gear  100.0 kg
Normal Fuel 525 L      410 kg
Auxiliary Fuel tank 115 L   90.0 kg
Lubricants      50.0 kg
Ammunition for MG 131 ( 2 x 475 rpg )  77.0 kg
Ammunition for MG 151 ( 2 x 250 rpg )  110.0 kg
Ammunition for MG 151 ( 2 x 140 rpg )  64.0 kg

Useful load    901.0 kg

Flying Weight   ~ 4391 kg

Title: Re: Resource for Aircraft Component Weights
Post by: wells on June 26, 2011, 10:18:25 PM

Data for Ta-152H-1 from, "Kurt Tank:  Focke-Wulf's Designer and Test Pilot ", by Wolfgang Wagner

fuselage            365 kg
landing gear       285 kg
empennage        140 kg
control system     35 kg
wings               620 kg
engine            1930 kg
armor               120 kg

Empty             3495 kg

Fuel
232 L in forward fuel tank    172 kg
260 L aft fuel tank              266 kg
227 L in left wing              167 kg
157 L in right wing             116 kg
70 L MW 50 in right wing     52 kg
85 L GM 1 in aft fuselage    63 kg

Total Fuel                      836 kg

Oil                                 55 kg
Crew                              80 kg
Load                             498 kg ( parachute 20 kg, armament 230 kg, equipment incl GM 1 145 kg, MK 108 ammo 36 kg, MG 151 ammo 67 kg )
Max permissible load         1469 kg
Takeoff weight               4964 kg

Title: Re: Resource for Aircraft Component Weights
Post by: Stoney on June 26, 2011, 11:35:29 PM

No chance there are stations for those weights?  Or, do you know of a resource that has a 3-view and cutaway of both?

Title: Re: Resource for Aircraft Component Weights
Post by: wells on June 27, 2011, 12:51:32 AM

Some good drawings here,

http://www.albentley-drawings.com/